---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/01/04: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:00 AM - Re: heavy tail (Larry Bourne) 2. 12:15 AM - Re: heavy tail (Larry Bourne) 3. 04:08 AM - Re: A Few Ancient Pics (bryan green) 4. 05:55 AM - Re: A Few Ancient Pics (Bob Dalton) 5. 06:28 AM - Re: A Few Ancient Pics (Don Gherardini) 6. 07:09 AM - FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. (H MITCHELL) 7. 07:19 AM - C&G (kinnepix) 8. 07:35 AM - Re: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. (Don Gherardini) 9. 07:40 AM - Re: A Few Ancient Pics (bryan green) 10. 08:03 AM - Turning diameter. (Gray, Mark) 11. 08:05 AM - BMW R 100 (Terry Davis) 12. 08:13 AM - Re: Turning diameter. (Bob Bean) 13. 08:22 AM - Re: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. (H MITCHELL) 14. 08:53 AM - Re: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. (Don Gherardini) 15. 09:02 AM - Lousy Brakes (H MITCHELL) 16. 09:38 AM - Re: A Few Ancient Pics (Don Gherardini) 17. 09:42 AM - Re: Lousy Brakes (Don Gherardini) 18. 10:34 AM - Re: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. (ronnie wehba) 19. 11:25 AM - Re: Lousy Brakes (H MITCHELL) 20. 03:15 PM - Re: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. (Dennis Souder) 21. 03:21 PM - Re: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. (Dennis Souder) 22. 04:42 PM - Re: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. (Don Gherardini) 23. 05:06 PM - Sun'N Fun (Bill Vincent) 24. 05:17 PM - Re: FireFly with trailer for sale. (Jon Croke) 25. 05:25 PM - Re: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. (ronnie wehba) 26. 05:31 PM - Re: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. (Paul Petty) 27. 05:36 PM - Re: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. (Dennis Souder) 28. 06:06 PM - Re: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. (Don Gherardini) 29. 11:49 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:06 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: heavy tail --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" How much money ya got ?? :-) Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Bean" Subject: Kolb-List: heavy tail > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean > > Consider me in the group who want a little taller main gear leg on > my MkIII. -although I want an easy way out without cutting my > virgin fresh fabric and paint. There's BigLar's innovative convoluted > twisty legs (make me a set Lar) or just longer legs which would > make the wheels go into the next county. I like the slingshot legs > although it looks like they might put a little twisting moment on the > sockets. The reason the Kolb doesn't exhibit any groundloop > tendencies is the same reason they nose over easy. A little taller > leg will give just the right feel. -BB do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:51 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: heavy tail --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Looks like I'd best be on my toes next month. :-) Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: heavy tail my new MK III and displaced main gear proved to > be quite exciting until I became accustomed to them. There are still > times my gear tend to get the interest factor going. She will ground > loop, if you get behind her. With about 100 lbs on the tail wheel, > that is a lot of weight way back there on the end of the tail boom. > When it starts to swing and you haven't already done something about > it, it is too late. > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:08:11 AM PST US From: "bryan green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: A Few Ancient Pics --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" Bryan Green (Elgin SC) > This next picture was taken at the UL airstrip, Oshkosh, WI, 1989. > Please notice the picture was taken through Cuz'n P'fer's windshield. > We had just landed, spun around to take the picture of Dick Rahill > just prior to crashing and totaling the 1985 Oshkosh Grand Champion > Ultralight, Homer Kolb's Firestar. The picture of the old Firestar looks just like mine did when I bought it except no wheel pants. If you want to sell the gear legs seperate John ( already bought wheels and brakes from Bro Jim ) let me know how much BC. In the picture of Cuz P fer had you shortened the tail wheel? DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:24 AM PST US From: "Bob Dalton" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: A Few Ancient Pics --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob Dalton" John, What a beautiful shot of a beautiful aircraft, looks as though it had just rolled off the "JH" production line and the $200.00 detail crew had just finished up! Bob Dalton (still lurk'in) do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: A Few Ancient Pics > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > > Hi Gang: > > Speaking of ancient times in ultralighting doesn't require going too > far back in time. How about 1989. > > This is a picture of Cuz'n P'fer at Hat Box Airport, Muscogee, OK. We > had just had the awards dinner and ole Cuz'n P'fer did pretty good for > him self. We picked up three awards: > > 1. Grand Champion Ultralight > > 2. Best Tube and Fabric Homebuilt: This really surprised me, as well > as most of the other folks that flew homebuilts into Hat Box. Jim > Younkin (built Mr Mulligan, Mystery Ship, Samson or may have been > Goliath, and many other facinating replicas and experimentals) was > Chief Judge. He took a liking to Cuz'n P'fer. Got to spend a lot of > time with Jim that weekend. When asked by some why he chose "that > ultralight" as the best tube and fabric homebuilt? Jim replied, > "Because it was the best." Wow! Got my attention. > > 3. Cuz'n P'fer got an award, not for the furtherest flight to the > flyin, but the flight of the longest duration. Took us 12 flight > hours to fly from Gantt International Airport to Hat Box, Muscogee, > OK. > > Notice the long gear legs, 4130, bottom center fabric brace, > instrument panel pulled back to the pilot's station, deflector on > windshield pushed the air over the wind and out of the pilot's face. > The curved fabric braces at the bottom rear of the cockpit are also > Jim Hauck's design. New Hegar wheels and brakes. > > http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/History/Hat%20Box%201989-1.jpg > > I will sell the Hegar wheels, brakes, dual/differential master > cylinders, 35.5" gear legs, if someone is interested and we can agree > on a price. Last operation with these wheels, brakes, and gear legs, > was a take off. This equipment was not used for Cuz'n P'fer's last > landing. They never touched the ground. > > This next picture was taken at the UL airstrip, Oshkosh, WI, 1989. > Please notice the picture was taken through Cuz'n P'fer's windshield. > We had just landed, spun around to take the picture of Dick Rahill > just prior to crashing and totaling the 1985 Oshkosh Grand Champion > Ultralight, Homer Kolb's Firestar. Dick and I had been playing a > little game around the UL trafffic pattern. Follow the leader. The > pattern, that year, called for a hard right turn to final just prior > to touch down. With the wind blowing the way it was that afternoon, > think it was a quartering right tailwind, made for some very > interesting technique to get the airplane around the turn quick, down > on the sod, short turn off, and ready to take off again. Dick has the > nose down, right wing down, hard left aileron, and is stalling it > right into the ground. I had remembered this event, but had forgotten > I had a picture of it until I found it in the bottom drawer of all UL > pictures of the past. > > http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/History/OSH%201989-1.jpg > > Homer Kolb has recently restored the 1985 FS, installed a 503, done > some experimenting, and flying of this old bird. Back in the days of > bartering for my FS, Homer would not sell me a 447 for it. I had to > buy with 377, then horse trade Gerry Olenik for a 447. that was my > first business dealing with Gerry in 1986. > > Some of you all will enjoy these old pics. Some won't. If you have > doubts, hit the delete button before you take a peek at my index page. > > Take care, > > john h > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:58 AM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: A Few Ancient Pics --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" John.. I dunno pard...thems awful old parts!...15 to 20 years old huh? hmmm... although I would like sumpthin better than these azuza's I have on my Fly. I dont need the legs..(I got training wheel!)...so sell them to that SouthCarolina Polecat Green!. hehe :)......and lemme know what you want for the Old wheels brakes and axles sockets.M/Cyls....tires too if ya got em. MAybe Sue will give me an advance on my allowance! Don Gherardini Sales / Engineering dept. American Honda Engines Power Equipment Company CortLand, Illinois 800-626-7326 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:12 AM PST US From: "H MITCHELL" Subject: Kolb-List: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 10:08:24 -0500 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" Greetings Kolbers, My wife say's one plane is enough so I'm going to sell the FireFly and start flying my recently completed Mk3/912. Any of you that are ready to buy should consider my FireFly. She is a well-behaved flyer that has served me well for ~160 hours. The last 5 hours have been logged over the beaches waters along Florida's Gulf Coast. When she is not in the air she has always been hangared or snug in her fully-enclosed lightweight trailer. She is still a good looker in spite of her age. This was my third Kolb and when the plane was first completed I had it weighed on a commercial scale. I have a ticket showing it weighed a little under 250 lbs. Bigger wheels and full enclosure have probably put her over the limit now but I saved all of the original parts and she could be stripped back to original if required. BRS Chute, Alt, ASI, dual CHT, dual EGT, Hobbs, Enclosed Trailer, 8" wheels ('still have those dinky Kolb wheels complete with the band brakes I made for them), Completed in 1999. The trailer was designed to be towed by a small Nissan pick-up but with my Ford 150 I keep forgetting it is back there. It was built by a commercial builder that makes specialty trailers and it is ready to go. The whole rig, ready for Springtime flying: $12,500. Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL (850) 878-9047 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:26 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: C&G From: kinnepix --> Kolb-List message posted by: kinnepix Just an interesting observation in re CG and position of gear -- You may see or have seen a LUSCOMBE, nice little aluminum 2-seater, side-by-side, taildragger. Look closely at the main gear -- the plane originally wanted to nose over, and most every one by now has had a strong plate installed, that moved the mains forward by that amount. So even the factory design wasn't right -- but at least easily corrected in this case. Look at the top of the rudder -- if it's squared off the aircraft was probably over on its back at some time. Most of them were. The further back the main gear was, the less likely the plane was to groundloop -- but the more likely it was to nose over. Same for any taildragger. Russ Kinne ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:23 AM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" Duane the plane.... Dang bro...I think you are keeping the wrong one!!!!...LOL..:) seriously...if who ever gets you fine airplane doesnt want the trailer...or you would split em up. I would be very interested in seeing it...for possible purchase thx.and good luck Don Gherardini Sales / Engineering dept. American Honda Engines Power Equipment Company CortLand, Illinois 800-626-7326 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:02 AM PST US From: "bryan green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: A Few Ancient Pics --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" That deal might work out Don and if ya bend your legs let me know I'll have a pair of almost new Firefly legs for ya. Yep there still straight. DO NOT ARCHIVE p.s. Send me a pic when you get the tank installed. Bryan Green (Elgin SC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: A Few Ancient Pics > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" > > John.. > > I dunno pard...thems awful old parts!...15 to 20 years old huh? hmmm... > although I would like sumpthin better than these azuza's I have on my Fly. > I dont need the legs..(I got training wheel!)...so sell them to that > SouthCarolina Polecat Green!. hehe :)......and lemme know what you want > for the Old wheels brakes and axles sockets.M/Cyls....tires too if ya got > em. > MAybe Sue will give me an advance on my allowance! > > Don Gherardini > Sales / Engineering dept. > American Honda Engines > Power Equipment Company > CortLand, Illinois > 800-626-7326 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:29 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Turning diameter. From: "Gray, Mark" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gray, Mark" I have been flying a firestar 2 of a grass strip for the last 4 years, now due to a new hanger location and a switch to a hardtop runway I am finding that my turning radius is to wide to turn around at the end of the runway. I have toe brakes installed but with the larger Dia tundra tires they do not add enough drag to swing it around with the brakes. Does anyone know of a fix to the tail wheel that does not require to much tear up that will make it turn tighter? I was toying with the idea of a free castering tail wheel, has anyone tried that. Thanks Mark Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:41 AM PST US From: "Terry Davis" Subject: Kolb-List: BMW R 100 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry Davis" Kolb/BMW enthusiasts, Could any of you tell me what the all up weight of the BMW and C box is? I've looked at the various sites and haven't found that info. Could a FS2 stay in CG with one? All this talk about disappearing 503's makes me nervous. Hate to buy an orphan. Terry Davis FS2 Working on instruments. DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:34 AM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Turning diameter. --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean Gray, Mark wrote: > I was toying with the idea >of a free castering tail wheel, has anyone tried that. > >-A big no on that Mark....it may be in the archives but don't > believe anyone has ever gone that route with a happy result. -BB > >Do not archive. > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:35 AM PST US From: "H MITCHELL" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:19:38 -0500 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" Hello Don, 'Great to hear from you. I read all your posts, especially the inside dope from your manufacturer's Rep. point of view. I have a potential buyer but he has to sell his new 503 before he can move on it. It will be no problem for me to ask any potential buyer if he would part with the trailer. I designed this trailer specifically for the FireFly and had it built by a local specialty trailer fabricator. I did not do any stress analysis on it because the builders experience was a lot more current than my training in that area. I still have copies of the drawings and performance specs. The documentation is only 3 pages and I will send you a full set if you would like. The trailer materials and labor cost was ~ $3,600. Keep your air speed, Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL (850) 878-9047 ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Gherardini To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:41 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" Duane the plane.... Dang bro...I think you are keeping the wrong one!!!!...LOL..:) seriously...if who ever gets you fine airplane doesnt want the trailer...or you would split em up. I would be very interested in seeing it...for possible purchase thx.and good luck Don Gherardini Sales / Engineering dept. American Honda Engines Power Equipment Company CortLand, Illinois 800-626-7326 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:22 AM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" Duane..Hot dang pard...I would be deeply in your debt if you would send me what info you have on a trailer. I have been looking at trailers for a long time now...and I have not found a single one made (factory) like I want it...it seems that when you get an enclosed trailer long enough to haul an airplane...it is built to haul a bulldozer! they are all just too dang heavy built with heavy axles. I have alot of expierience hauling around new demo equipment in my carreer, and I know how hard those road miles are on trailer'd equuipment.. If you can email it..send it to donghe@one-eleven.net if you need to mail.. Don Gherardini R.R.#3 box 325A Sullivan, Illinois 61951 thx pard! Don Gherardini Sales / Engineering dept. American Honda Engines Power Equipment Company CortLand, Illinois 800-626-7326 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:57 AM PST US From: "H MITCHELL" Subject: Kolb-List: Lousy Brakes Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:02:53 -0500 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" Don et al, The standard brakes on my first Mk-3 did everything but stop my plane. These drums were stamped out of sheet metal not made of cast iron as in old style auto brakes. After truing them on as much as possible on my lathe I found that they were way out off for run-out. During reassembly I corrected the run-out using various combinations of washers on the bolts that hold the drums to the wheels. It was a lot of work to make them perform as they should have originally. That was the last set of expensive/cheap brakes I'll ever buy. Flame Away !!! Duane the plane, Tallahassee, FL do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Gherardini To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 9:35 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: A Few Ancient Pics --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" John.. I dunno pard...thems awful old parts!...15 to 20 years old huh? hmmm... although I would like sumpthin better than these azuza's I have on my Fly. I dont need the legs..(I got training wheel!)...so sell them to that SouthCarolina Polecat Green!. hehe :)......and lemme know what you want for the Old wheels brakes and axles sockets.M/Cyls....tires too if ya got em. MAybe Sue will give me an advance on my allowance! Don Gherardini Sales / Engineering dept. American Honda Engines Power Equipment Company CortLand, Illinois 800-626-7326 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:43 AM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: A Few Ancient Pics --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" RgR tht Bryan.... so far..the tank has just been sitting in there to see how it fits...I have the boom out if the cage and the cage stripped..covering and all...to do some welding on...need tabs and tubing installed for the upper rear enclosure...and I am close to finished on those. I had it covered with a old bedsheet last nite to see how it all was going to workout...and discovered a spot that needed another peice of tubing to attach to covering to. Underside wing gap root fairings are gonna be integrated into the cage...and of a tube and fabric design. I got the wing gap cover finished up complete with cam-locs to hold it down in the rear.. working on a side door to facilitate refueling. All in all....the thinking part sure takes longer than the doing part! I will send ya pics as soon as I get that tank in.....gotta go on the road for a few days tomorrow morn..try an scrape out a living...hopefully get back to the Fly on the weekend! Don Gherardini OEM Sales / Engineering dept. American Honda Engines Power Equipment Company CortLand, Illinois 800-626-7326 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:04 AM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Lousy Brakes --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" Duane, were they those Azsua jobs?.... I am on my second set of drums....trying to find some that fit better...If I can get something better like the Hegars...that whole mess will go into that big box under the bench! Don Gherardini OEM.Sales / Engineering dept. American Honda Engines Power Equipment Company CortLand, Illinois 800-626-7326 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:49 AM PST US From: "ronnie wehba" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. required 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" me too!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" > > Duane..Hot dang pard...I would be deeply in your debt if you would send me > what info you have on a trailer. > I have been looking at trailers for a long time now...and I have not found a > single one made (factory) like I want it...it seems that when you get an > enclosed trailer long enough to haul an airplane...it is built to haul a > bulldozer! they are all just too dang heavy built with heavy axles. I have > alot of expierience hauling around new demo equipment in my carreer, and I > know how hard those road miles are on trailer'd equuipment.. > > If you can email it..send it to > > donghe@one-eleven.net > > > if you need to mail.. > > Don Gherardini > R.R.#3 box 325A > Sullivan, Illinois > 61951 > > thx pard! > > > Don Gherardini > Sales / Engineering dept. > American Honda Engines > Power Equipment Company > CortLand, Illinois > 800-626-7326 > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:51 AM PST US From: "H MITCHELL" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Lousy Brakes Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:25:36 -0500 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" Hello Don, I think they were Azusa's, stamped out by the thousands in China, once used for go-carts. A couple of years ago one of my pals called and complained to one of the Azusa engineers. He went out to the work area and picked out some choice ones and sent them along to my pal. They were much better. ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Gherardini To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 12:48 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Lousy Brakes --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" Duane, were they those Azsua jobs?.... I am on my second set of drums....trying to find some that fit better...If I can get something better like the Hegars...that whole mess will go into that big box under the bench! Don Gherardini OEM.Sales / Engineering dept. American Honda Engines Power Equipment Company CortLand, Illinois 800-626-7326 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:03 PM PST US From: "Dennis Souder" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dennis Souder" Duane, Way back when .... I called a number of trailer manufacturers in an attempt to get them to make a lighter trailer for our application. No luck; their basic reasoning is that they know that if they make a trailer with, say a 1000 lb payload capacity, that the trailer will soon get used for another application and it will get overloaded and something will break and then they will get complaints about the trailer not being strong enough. A trailer large enough to house an ultralight is a relatively large trailer and just filling it with furniture, for instance, could easily overload it. Old Kolb made some custom enclosed trailers and these cost more to make than the manufactured trailers, even though they were much lighter, used lighter axles and etc. So the economics were not working in our favor doing that either. It appears making your own is about your only option unless you are lucky and Richard Swiderski is selling his at the same time your are looking for one. Or you could pay a small machine shop to custom make one for you, but it will be pricey! Happy hunting, Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" > > Duane..Hot dang pard...I would be deeply in your debt if you would send me > what info you have on a trailer. > I have been looking at trailers for a long time now...and I have not found a > single one made (factory) like I want it...it seems that when you get an > enclosed trailer long enough to haul an airplane...it is built to haul a > bulldozer! they are all just too dang heavy built with heavy axles. I have > alot of expierience hauling around new demo equipment in my carreer, and I > know how hard those road miles are on trailer'd equuipment.. > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:50 PM PST US From: "Dennis Souder" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dennis Souder" Oops meant to address this message to Don, and .... of course the rest of the Kolbers interested in lightweight trailers. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Souder" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. > Duane, > > Way back when .... I called a number of trailer manufacturers in an attempt > to get them to make a lighter trailer for our application. No luck; their > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:08 PM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" Dennis, Any place you know of where there are pics or drawings or any info on the Old Kolb trailer? I have come to the conclusion that you surely are right about a trailer...another case of.."The market just is not big enough!" I need to have a project going out inn that shed all the time it looks like....if I dont..I'm liable to get started on that 2 seat 1/2 scale twin engine B-25 that I have always dreamed about!.....ARghhhhh I better build a trailer for a Kolb instead! Don Gherardini FireFly 098 http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:11 PM PST US From: Bill Vincent Subject: Kolb-List: Sun'N Fun --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bill Vincent Hi Kolb driver's My 2 cents worth. I just finished reading ...Changes in Ultralight area for Sun 'N Fun '04..in the Ultralight Flying magazine. My opinion is that ultralight chairman, Dave Piper, goes waaay to much (buy the book) . He is taking the Fun out of Sun 'N Fun. I hope we don't lose the fun that ultralight flying has brought us and it doesn't become an overly regulated sport !! One of the things that has attracted me to ultralights is the simplicity, low cost , camaraderie and just plain fun. They seem to be evolving into light aircraft. Bill Vincent Firestar II Upper Penninsula Of Michigan Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:56 PM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly with trailer for sale. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" On the front page of www.KolbPilot.com is a pic of my Firestar trailer...its custom built by another builder but is really light and well constructed.... just some more ideas for your trailer search! > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" > > Dennis, > Any place you know of where there are pics or drawings or any info on the > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:41 PM PST US From: "ronnie wehba" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. required 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" what trailer drawings you looking for? ,a person on this list sent me the ultrastar trailer drawings,,very simple too ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" > > Dennis, > Any place you know of where there are pics or drawings or any info on the > Old Kolb trailer? > I have come to the conclusion that you surely are right about a > trailer...another case of.."The market just is not big enough!" > I need to have a project going out inn that shed all the time it looks > like....if I dont..I'm liable to get started on that 2 seat 1/2 scale twin > engine B-25 that I have always dreamed about!.....ARghhhhh > > I better build a trailer for a Kolb instead! > > > Don Gherardini > FireFly 098 > http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:46 PM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. required 4.6, BAYES_00 -4.90) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Don, Dennis all I have drawings on paper of a trailer for Kolb aircraft that would convert to a home away from home when towing our aircraft via ground. The idea has been in my mind from the get go. Light weight, air ride via bags. I have a old friend in the RV biz that we are working with that can provide ready to roll 5th wheel and bumper tow trailers that customers can customize for personal comfort. Trailers are popular in the Harley Davidson camp and personal water craft market. It seams that there is a market for such. One has to offer an a affordable to high dollar end for those who care to spend money. Suspension is our main concern and the enclosed trailer must be able to be towed with a light weight vehicle depending on towing capacity. Will keep ya updated. soon to be taking orders.... pp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" > > Dennis, > Any place you know of where there are pics or drawings or any info on the > Old Kolb trailer? > I have come to the conclusion that you surely are right about a > trailer...another case of.."The market just is not big enough!" > I need to have a project going out inn that shed all the time it looks > like....if I dont..I'm liable to get started on that 2 seat 1/2 scale twin > engine B-25 that I have always dreamed about!.....ARghhhhh > > I better build a trailer for a Kolb instead! > > > Don Gherardini > FireFly 098 > http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:40 PM PST US From: "Dennis Souder" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dennis Souder" Don, No pics or plans, but as best I can remember the trailer ... 22' x 6' x 6' inside dimensions. vertical and roof framing was 1" x 1" x .083 wall rect. steel tubing on 24" centers. .063 wall would have been okay - but the builder wanted the thicker wall for easier welding. skin was white enamel finish alum .050" (standard trailer sheathing). 2 axles ... probably 1,500 lb capacity each. (maybe 1,000 pounders) wheels were beyond the trailer sides with fenders over. 1/2" ply floor over ... I forget, but probably 3" steel channels on 2 ft centers. main frame rails ... I forget, but probably 1" x 3" rect steel tube. Sorry not more details ... its been awhile. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" > > Dennis, > Any place you know of where there are pics or drawings or any info on the > Old Kolb trailer? > I have come to the conclusion that you surely are right about a > trailer...another case of.."The market just is not big enough!" > I need to have a project going out inn that shed all the time it looks > like....if I dont..I'm liable to get started on that 2 seat 1/2 scale twin > engine B-25 that I have always dreamed about!.....ARghhhhh > > I better build a trailer for a Kolb instead! > > > Don Gherardini > FireFly 098 > http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:14 PM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly with enclosed trailer for sale. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" Dennis.. Thx pard..I understand about the memory! I got this pretty good drawing from Duane..although its a single axle. I will make a tandem , not for the loads weight.. but because with 2 axles the bumps are smoothed out alot. when one wheel goes in a chuckhole...the other holds the trailer from going down...and of course...if it does not go down so far..the resulting shock and bounce up will, not be near as severe. So I like the tandem axles. All in all..those dimensions you quote are pretty close to what I had in mind...However I was wondering about the material thickness. I have a good Miller wirewelder...and .063 is easy... need to find a couple of matching axles...hmm.... 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