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1. 12:15 AM - Re: 5-ribs and 503's (Larry Bourne)
2. 05:00 AM - elcorrecto!!! (Paul Petty)
3. 06:44 AM - Re: elcorrecto!!! (Denny Rowe)
4. 06:47 AM - Re: elcorrecto!!! (Don Gherardini)
5. 08:10 AM - Poker Run (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
6. 08:43 AM - W&B (Paul Petty)
7. 08:56 AM - Re: Poker Run (Robert Laird)
8. 09:22 AM - Re: elcorrecto!!! (jerb)
9. 10:24 AM - Re: elcorrecto!!! aka W&B (Bob N.)
10. 10:35 AM - Re: 5-ribs and 503's (Eugene Zimmerman)
11. 10:38 AM - Re: Poker Run (Bob Bean)
12. 11:15 AM - Re: Poker Run (Robert Laird)
13. 12:11 PM - Re: W&B (John Williamson)
14. 01:39 PM - Plastic Fuel Tank (Mike Pierzina)
15. 01:54 PM - RE-Digital camera to the rescue (Mike Pierzina)
16. 02:11 PM - Re: Poker Run (Bob N.)
17. 02:11 PM - Re: leading edge failure (GeoR38@aol.com)
18. 04:28 PM - Re: Poker Run (George Bass)
19. 05:59 PM - Re: Plastic Fuel Tank (Fackler, Ken)
20. 05:59 PM - Re: Poker Run (Fackler, Ken)
21. 07:50 PM - Re: Vamoose & fishin (Larry Bourne)
22. 08:17 PM - Re: possum shirt (Richard Pike)
23. 08:33 PM - Re: Vamoose & fishin (Larry Bourne)
24. 09:26 PM - Re: Firestar KXP kit for sale (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: 5-ribs and 503's |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I think he just wants something to catch the BBQ sauce on. :-) Do not
Archive.
P.S. - That was a Good BBQ joint. Then there was the Mexican place Beauford
took me to...............Wonderful. Hmmmm....................??
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III (forever)
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "possums" <possums@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 5-ribs and 503's
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>
>
> >
> >I have got to remember to take my Possum shirt to Lakeland. Makes a
> >wonderful dinner shirt.
> >
> >Thanks, Possum.
> >
> >john h (junior possum)
> >
> >DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Just don't wear it to church and I think you'll be alright.
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
That was fun guys. Right, the aircraft has to be weighed with the tail up in flight
attitude and for the RV8 you place a level on the canopy slider on top of
the tail section. I need to go back and take another look at the Kolb builders
photos of W&B. I may be wrong, but I think they were weighed with the tail sitting
on the ground at the same level as the mains. Does Kolb offer W&B figures?
Or the correct way to do this?
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: elcorrecto!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Does Kolb offer W&B figures? Or the correct way to do this?
>
> Paul Petty
> Building Ms. Dixie
> Kolbra/912UL/Warp
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
Paul,
My Mk-3 manual has weight and balance info that explaines the whole process
including the proper AOA to set the wing at.
Doesn't your Kolbra manual have this info?
Denny
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| Subject: | Re: elcorrecto!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Paul,
In My FireFly builders manual, It says to raise the tail untill the wing is
at 9 deg..
For me a 5 gallon bucket with a 2x12 board on the top...a small sheet of 1/4
plywood, and the scales all stacked up and placed under the tailwheel
accomplished this.
Don Gherardini
OEM.Sales / Engineering dept.
American Honda Engines
Power Equipment Company
CortLand, Illinois
800-626-7326
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Kolb Friends -
What is a "Poker Run" ?
I've heard the term before in association with fly-ins.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3 in NM
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Denny, Not sure if it's in there or not but don't remember seeing it. Will have
to look them over and get back to ya.
pp do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
>
>What is a "Poker Run" ?
>I've heard the term before in association with fly-ins.
You select 5 (or whatever) nearby runways, and a team of people place a
cards in sealed envelopes at each location.
The contest is: each pilot flies to each spot, and collects an
envelope. When they all return to the home airport, the cards are revealed
and whoever has the best hand, wins the contest. (It gives you an excuse
to go flying! <g>)
In my experience, there are two kinds of participating pilots at Fly-Ins...
the skill player, and everyone else. Everyone else goes and does the Poker
Run while the skill players do the torpedo run, bomb run, critter drop, etc.
-- Robert
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: elcorrecto!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Paul,
That info should be in your builders material. I can't speak on yours
specific model but we had to raise the tail on the FireFly. Suspect you
would have to also on your model plane. Read a head and find the weight
and balance info.
jerb
At 07:11 AM 3/9/04 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
>
>That was fun guys. Right, the aircraft has to be weighed with the tail up
>in flight attitude and for the RV8 you place a level on the canopy slider
>on top of the tail section. I need to go back and take another look at the
>Kolb builders photos of W&B. I may be wrong, but I think they were weighed
>with the tail sitting on the ground at the same level as the mains. Does
>Kolb offer W&B figures? Or the correct way to do this?
>
>Paul Petty
>Building Ms. Dixie
>Kolbra/912UL/Warp
>
>
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: elcorrecto!!! aka W&B |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Paul,
Even my FireFly has W&B info: basic procedure, drwgs, example. If no one
else can give you Kolbra stuff, I can send cy via FailMail.
Bob N.
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| Subject: | Re: 5-ribs and 503's |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
bryan green wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
>
> You should buy a new airspeed indicator.:~)
> Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
> ----- Original Message -----
That would be cheaper but would it keep the wings from breaking?
> From: "Eugene Zimmerman" <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 5-ribs and 503's
>
>
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
>
> <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
>
>>
>>Richard Swiderski wrote:
>>
>>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski"
>>
> <swiderski@rocketjet.net>
>
>>>Ralph,
>>>
>>> Everybody has an opinion, here's mine:
>>
>>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>>You guys make me nervous. My five rib Firestar with a 377 will do over
>>90 straight and level and I'm no light weight. Should I be building new
>>seven rib wings?
>>
>>EZ
>>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
OK, I'll bite....I've done the flour sack drop, spot landings, even a
minimum
distance landing, but critter drop? real critters? mice? gerbils?
cats? ( really
land on their feet?) -BB , also had my share of mag drop. do not archive
Robert Laird wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
>
>
>
>
>>What is a "Poker Run" ?
>>I've heard the term before in association with fly-ins.
>>
>>
>
>You select 5 (or whatever) nearby runways, and a team of people place a
>cards in sealed envelopes at each location.
>
>The contest is: each pilot flies to each spot, and collects an
>envelope. When they all return to the home airport, the cards are revealed
>and whoever has the best hand, wins the contest. (It gives you an excuse
>to go flying! <g>)
>
>In my experience, there are two kinds of participating pilots at Fly-Ins...
>the skill player, and everyone else. Everyone else goes and does the Poker
>Run while the skill players do the torpedo run, bomb run, critter drop, etc.
>
> -- Robert
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
At 12:39 PM 3/9/2004, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
>OK, I'll bite....I've done the flour sack drop, spot landings, even a
>minimum
>distance landing, but critter drop? real critters? mice? gerbils?
>cats? ( really
>land on their feet?) -BB , also had my share of mag drop. do not archive
Haha... no, not live critters... It's something we do to get the kids involved:
We get some giant sized nets and give them to the kids... Then the pilots
get stuffed animals (critters) and take them up. For safety, we keep the
planes no lower than 200 feet, and the kids off the runway until the
critter drops... (by that time, the planes' energy would take it well past
the kids)... then the kids rush on to the runway and try to catch the
critter before it hits the ground. The kids absolutely LOVE it! The one
who catches the most (or, used the most effort, according to the judges) wins.
-- R
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Paul and All,
The Kolbra manual has the Weight & Balance information on pages A-12 and
A-13.
There are a few inconsistencies in the numbers. It has the CG rang listed as
both 25%-35% and 20%-35%.
I have limited mine to 28%-38% and the flight testing has shown that this
range is realistic and flyable. With the CG at 25% and two people in the
cockpit, you can't raise the nose for liftoff.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra: 525 hours, Rotax 912 ULS
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/
do not archive
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| Subject: | Plastic Fuel Tank |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
OK Ken,
Tell us the price...?
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
Thanks to all for the many suggestions and generous offers regarding my need for
a new fuel tank. As it turns out, while TNK doesn't support the Mark II anymore,
they do still sell and stock the fuel tank, so I ordered a new one from them.
DO NOT Archive
---
My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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| Subject: | RE-Digital camera to the rescue |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Richard/all,
I agree , These Digital Cameras are GREAT for what were doing. I was
keeping my log with a regular 35mm camera, but it was only good for keeping
a record of things...
The digital camera can really help in the building process...by instantly
sending a picture of a problem area...or your idea Richard, using the
picture to make your design...
And if somebody's got an area that isn't clear to them , you can go
to your bird and snap a couple of pictures and send them immediately.
What I'm tring to say is...
GET YOURSELF A DIGITAL CAMERA....YOU NEEEEED ONE !!!
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
do not archive
---
My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
They usta have a live chicken drop at a shindig in Yellville(?) AR. They
all made it to the ground......some in better shape than others.
Bob N.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: leading edge failure |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 3/8/04 4:00:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes:
> say I
> edge of
>
> Not until I got those snazzy aluminum angle reinforcements on them.
> :-)
>
and that, gentlemen, is the punchline that no one has said until now.
No wonder we can confuse ourselves with the english language, upon occasion.
grey baron....where are you when we need you!!
George Randolph
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bass" <gtb@commspeed.net>
Bob Bean/List;
Bob, I envy you and the folks you are fortunate
to be flying with. Those 'games' that you speak
of are the kind we used to do back in the 80's.
The club that I belong to has about 30-35 members
and NOT ONE of them is willing to be included
in, or to support others involved in, these events
of SKILL ENHANCEMENT.
Proficiency does not come to us from the sofa.
We have to actually get out there and get in the
air. And hopefully, we have commerades that
will fly with us and critique us honestly (and in
humor when possible) to help us improve our
flight abilities.
I miss the "old style" flying, with the sense of
achievement and satisfaction that comes with it.
Keep up the good work. This list is AWESOME.
George Bass
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| Subject: | Re: Plastic Fuel Tank |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
It was twenty bucks. Well, nineteen and some change.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Plastic Fuel Tank
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
>
> OK Ken,
> Tell us the price...?
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN
>
>
> SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
>
> Thanks to all for the many suggestions and generous offers regarding my
need for
> a new fuel tank. As it turns out, while TNK doesn't support the Mark II
anymore,
> they do still sell and stock the fuel tank, so I ordered a new one from
them.
>
> DO NOT Archive
>
>
> ---
> My Web Site:
> http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
>
>
> Sometimes you just have to take the leap
> and build your wings on the way down...
> Gotta Fly...
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
What's a critter drop?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Laird" <rlaird@cavediver.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Poker Run
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
>
>
> >
> >What is a "Poker Run" ?
> >I've heard the term before in association with fly-ins.
>
> You select 5 (or whatever) nearby runways, and a team of people place a
> cards in sealed envelopes at each location.
>
> The contest is: each pilot flies to each spot, and collects an
> envelope. When they all return to the home airport, the cards are
revealed
> and whoever has the best hand, wins the contest. (It gives you an excuse
> to go flying! <g>)
>
> In my experience, there are two kinds of participating pilots at
Fly-Ins...
> the skill player, and everyone else. Everyone else goes and does the
Poker
> Run while the skill players do the torpedo run, bomb run, critter drop,
etc.
>
> -- Robert
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vamoose & fishin |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Can't believe over 2 weeks has gone by...........been pretty busy - except on Vamoose.
:-) I had to stop and think about where you fish, cause
we used to go out in some really nasty weather, out of Port Angeles, WA. Up there,
tho', you're only going a couple of miles or so, and while a lot of it is
really steep, sloppy tidal/wind/current mix-ups, you're not out in it too long.
Kinda fun for a while, but it beats you to death after a bit. From what
I understand of your area, you must have to make very long runs out to sea,
and a heavier swell would get very tiresome & tear up equipment very quickly.
I sure hope the weather co-operates when I get there; I've heard and read a
lot about fishing in your area, and it sounds GOOD. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <DAquaNut@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vamoose & fishin
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 2/24/04 2:30:26 AM Central Standard Time,
> biglar@gogittum.com writes:
>
> <<
> sometime, headin' for Lousy-ana and points east. Lar.
> Do not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> >>
> Larry,
> If the seas cooperate when you are in my neck of the woods I dont see why
> not. Normally you have to check the wind & seas the evening before you go the
> next morning. I dont like to go out in more than 2 ft seas. No fun! I havent
> heard much on the state of vamoose. Im looking for a hanger in my area so I
> can finnish my Firefly. I have the land south of Houston where I am going to
> put in a grass strip. It just takes time & money.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed (in Houston)
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: possum shirt |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
He could wear it to our church and still be all right.
(Although they might look twice if he was the one to take up the collection...)
Richard Pike
Pastor, Blountville Community Chapel <grin>
At 11:20 PM 3/8/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>
>
> >
> >I have got to remember to take my Possum shirt to Lakeland. Makes a
> >wonderful dinner shirt.
> >
> >Thanks, Possum.
> >
> >john h (junior possum)
> >
> >DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>Just don't wear it to church and I think you'll be alright.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vamoose & fishin |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Aw, phooey.............didn't look at the address again. Sorry, Ed, and
sorry All. Embarassed Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vamoose & fishin
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Can't believe over 2 weeks has gone by...........been pretty busy - except
on Vamoose. :-) I had to stop and think about where you fish,
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar KXP kit for sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
In a message dated 3/4/04 9:35:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
TandCDubroc@centurytel.net writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tommy Dubroc" <TandCDubroc@centurytel.net>
>
> Kolb Firestar KXP (kit)
> 1992 model (kit)
>
Tommy,
Where is the kit located?
Do Not Archive
Bill Varnes
Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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