---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 03/09/04: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:15 AM - Re: 5-ribs and 503's (Larry Bourne) 2. 05:00 AM - elcorrecto!!! (Paul Petty) 3. 06:44 AM - Re: elcorrecto!!! (Denny Rowe) 4. 06:47 AM - Re: elcorrecto!!! (Don Gherardini) 5. 08:10 AM - Poker Run (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM) 6. 08:43 AM - W&B (Paul Petty) 7. 08:56 AM - Re: Poker Run (Robert Laird) 8. 09:22 AM - Re: elcorrecto!!! (jerb) 9. 10:24 AM - Re: elcorrecto!!! aka W&B (Bob N.) 10. 10:35 AM - Re: 5-ribs and 503's (Eugene Zimmerman) 11. 10:38 AM - Re: Poker Run (Bob Bean) 12. 11:15 AM - Re: Poker Run (Robert Laird) 13. 12:11 PM - Re: W&B (John Williamson) 14. 01:39 PM - Plastic Fuel Tank (Mike Pierzina) 15. 01:54 PM - RE-Digital camera to the rescue (Mike Pierzina) 16. 02:11 PM - Re: Poker Run (Bob N.) 17. 02:11 PM - Re: leading edge failure (GeoR38@aol.com) 18. 04:28 PM - Re: Poker Run (George Bass) 19. 05:59 PM - Re: Plastic Fuel Tank (Fackler, Ken) 20. 05:59 PM - Re: Poker Run (Fackler, Ken) 21. 07:50 PM - Re: Vamoose & fishin (Larry Bourne) 22. 08:17 PM - Re: possum shirt (Richard Pike) 23. 08:33 PM - Re: Vamoose & fishin (Larry Bourne) 24. 09:26 PM - Re: Firestar KXP kit for sale (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:01 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 5-ribs and 503's --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I think he just wants something to catch the BBQ sauce on. :-) Do not Archive. P.S. - That was a Good BBQ joint. Then there was the Mexican place Beauford took me to...............Wonderful. Hmmmm....................?? Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III (forever) N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "possums" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 5-ribs and 503's > --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums > > > > > >I have got to remember to take my Possum shirt to Lakeland. Makes a > >wonderful dinner shirt. > > > >Thanks, Possum. > > > >john h (junior possum) > > > >DO NOT ARCHIVE > > Just don't wear it to church and I think you'll be alright. > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:44 AM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: elcorrecto!!! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" That was fun guys. Right, the aircraft has to be weighed with the tail up in flight attitude and for the RV8 you place a level on the canopy slider on top of the tail section. I need to go back and take another look at the Kolb builders photos of W&B. I may be wrong, but I think they were weighed with the tail sitting on the ground at the same level as the mains. Does Kolb offer W&B figures? Or the correct way to do this? Paul Petty Building Ms. Dixie Kolbra/912UL/Warp do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:15 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: elcorrecto!!! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" Does Kolb offer W&B figures? Or the correct way to do this? > > Paul Petty > Building Ms. Dixie > Kolbra/912UL/Warp > > > do not archive > > Paul, My Mk-3 manual has weight and balance info that explaines the whole process including the proper AOA to set the wing at. Doesn't your Kolbra manual have this info? Denny ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:50 AM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: elcorrecto!!! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" Paul, In My FireFly builders manual, It says to raise the tail untill the wing is at 9 deg.. For me a 5 gallon bucket with a 2x12 board on the top...a small sheet of 1/4 plywood, and the scales all stacked up and placed under the tailwheel accomplished this. Don Gherardini OEM.Sales / Engineering dept. American Honda Engines Power Equipment Company CortLand, Illinois 800-626-7326 do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:53 AM PST US From: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM Subject: Kolb-List: Poker Run --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM Kolb Friends - What is a "Poker Run" ? I've heard the term before in association with fly-ins. Dennis Kirby Mark-3 in NM do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:44 AM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: W&B --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Denny, Not sure if it's in there or not but don't remember seeing it. Will have to look them over and get back to ya. pp do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:45 AM PST US From: Robert Laird Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Poker Run --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird > >What is a "Poker Run" ? >I've heard the term before in association with fly-ins. You select 5 (or whatever) nearby runways, and a team of people place a cards in sealed envelopes at each location. The contest is: each pilot flies to each spot, and collects an envelope. When they all return to the home airport, the cards are revealed and whoever has the best hand, wins the contest. (It gives you an excuse to go flying! ) In my experience, there are two kinds of participating pilots at Fly-Ins... the skill player, and everyone else. Everyone else goes and does the Poker Run while the skill players do the torpedo run, bomb run, critter drop, etc. -- Robert DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:30 AM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: elcorrecto!!! --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Paul, That info should be in your builders material. I can't speak on yours specific model but we had to raise the tail on the FireFly. Suspect you would have to also on your model plane. Read a head and find the weight and balance info. jerb At 07:11 AM 3/9/04 -0600, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > >That was fun guys. Right, the aircraft has to be weighed with the tail up >in flight attitude and for the RV8 you place a level on the canopy slider >on top of the tail section. I need to go back and take another look at the >Kolb builders photos of W&B. I may be wrong, but I think they were weighed >with the tail sitting on the ground at the same level as the mains. Does >Kolb offer W&B figures? Or the correct way to do this? > >Paul Petty >Building Ms. Dixie >Kolbra/912UL/Warp > > >do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:36 AM PST US From: "Bob N." Subject: Re: Kolb-List: elcorrecto!!! aka W&B --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." Paul, Even my FireFly has W&B info: basic procedure, drwgs, example. If no one else can give you Kolbra stuff, I can send cy via FailMail. Bob N. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:55 AM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 5-ribs and 503's --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman bryan green wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" > > You should buy a new airspeed indicator.:~) > Bryan Green (Elgin SC) > ----- Original Message ----- That would be cheaper but would it keep the wings from breaking? > From: "Eugene Zimmerman" > To: > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 5-ribs and 503's > > > >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman > > > >> >>Richard Swiderski wrote: >> >>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" >> > > >>>Ralph, >>> >>> Everybody has an opinion, here's mine: >> >>DO NOT ARCHIVE >> >> >>You guys make me nervous. My five rib Firestar with a 377 will do over >>90 straight and level and I'm no light weight. Should I be building new >>seven rib wings? >> >>EZ >> >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:54 AM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Poker Run --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean OK, I'll bite....I've done the flour sack drop, spot landings, even a minimum distance landing, but critter drop? real critters? mice? gerbils? cats? ( really land on their feet?) -BB , also had my share of mag drop. do not archive Robert Laird wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird > > > > >>What is a "Poker Run" ? >>I've heard the term before in association with fly-ins. >> >> > >You select 5 (or whatever) nearby runways, and a team of people place a >cards in sealed envelopes at each location. > >The contest is: each pilot flies to each spot, and collects an >envelope. When they all return to the home airport, the cards are revealed >and whoever has the best hand, wins the contest. (It gives you an excuse >to go flying! ) > >In my experience, there are two kinds of participating pilots at Fly-Ins... >the skill player, and everyone else. Everyone else goes and does the Poker >Run while the skill players do the torpedo run, bomb run, critter drop, etc. > > -- Robert > >DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:15:44 AM PST US From: Robert Laird Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Poker Run --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird At 12:39 PM 3/9/2004, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean > >OK, I'll bite....I've done the flour sack drop, spot landings, even a >minimum >distance landing, but critter drop? real critters? mice? gerbils? >cats? ( really >land on their feet?) -BB , also had my share of mag drop. do not archive Haha... no, not live critters... It's something we do to get the kids involved: We get some giant sized nets and give them to the kids... Then the pilots get stuffed animals (critters) and take them up. For safety, we keep the planes no lower than 200 feet, and the kids off the runway until the critter drops... (by that time, the planes' energy would take it well past the kids)... then the kids rush on to the runway and try to catch the critter before it hits the ground. The kids absolutely LOVE it! The one who catches the most (or, used the most effort, according to the judges) wins. -- R DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:10 PM PST US From: "John Williamson" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: W&B --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" Paul and All, The Kolbra manual has the Weight & Balance information on pages A-12 and A-13. There are a few inconsistencies in the numbers. It has the CG rang listed as both 25%-35% and 20%-35%. I have limited mine to 28%-38% and the flight testing has shown that this range is realistic and flyable. With the CG at 25% and two people in the cockpit, you can't raise the nose for liftoff. John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra: 525 hours, Rotax 912 ULS http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:34 PM PST US From: "Mike Pierzina" Subject: Kolb-List: Plastic Fuel Tank --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" OK Ken, Tell us the price...? Gotta Fly... Mike in MN SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" Thanks to all for the many suggestions and generous offers regarding my need for a new fuel tank. As it turns out, while TNK doesn't support the Mark II anymore, they do still sell and stock the fuel tank, so I ordered a new one from them. DO NOT Archive --- My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... Gotta Fly... ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:54:21 PM PST US From: "Mike Pierzina" Subject: Kolb-List: RE-Digital camera to the rescue --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" Richard/all, I agree , These Digital Cameras are GREAT for what were doing. I was keeping my log with a regular 35mm camera, but it was only good for keeping a record of things... The digital camera can really help in the building process...by instantly sending a picture of a problem area...or your idea Richard, using the picture to make your design... And if somebody's got an area that isn't clear to them , you can go to your bird and snap a couple of pictures and send them immediately. What I'm tring to say is... GET YOURSELF A DIGITAL CAMERA....YOU NEEEEED ONE !!! Gotta Fly... Mike in MN do not archive --- My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... Gotta Fly... ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:26 PM PST US From: "Bob N." Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Poker Run --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." They usta have a live chicken drop at a shindig in Yellville(?) AR. They all made it to the ground......some in better shape than others. Bob N. do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:26 PM PST US From: GeoR38@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: leading edge failure --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com In a message dated 3/8/04 4:00:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes: > say I > edge of > > Not until I got those snazzy aluminum angle reinforcements on them. > :-) > and that, gentlemen, is the punchline that no one has said until now. No wonder we can confuse ourselves with the english language, upon occasion. grey baron....where are you when we need you!! George Randolph do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:21 PM PST US From: "George Bass" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Poker Run --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bass" Bob Bean/List; Bob, I envy you and the folks you are fortunate to be flying with. Those 'games' that you speak of are the kind we used to do back in the 80's. The club that I belong to has about 30-35 members and NOT ONE of them is willing to be included in, or to support others involved in, these events of SKILL ENHANCEMENT. Proficiency does not come to us from the sofa. We have to actually get out there and get in the air. And hopefully, we have commerades that will fly with us and critique us honestly (and in humor when possible) to help us improve our flight abilities. I miss the "old style" flying, with the sense of achievement and satisfaction that comes with it. Keep up the good work. This list is AWESOME. George Bass --- ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:51 PM PST US From: "Fackler, Ken" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Plastic Fuel Tank --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" It was twenty bucks. Well, nineteen and some change. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pierzina" Subject: Kolb-List: Plastic Fuel Tank > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" > > OK Ken, > Tell us the price...? > > Gotta Fly... > Mike in MN > > > SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" > > Thanks to all for the many suggestions and generous offers regarding my need for > a new fuel tank. As it turns out, while TNK doesn't support the Mark II anymore, > they do still sell and stock the fuel tank, so I ordered a new one from them. > > DO NOT Archive > > > --- > My Web Site: > http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html > > > Sometimes you just have to take the leap > and build your wings on the way down... > Gotta Fly... > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:51 PM PST US From: "Fackler, Ken" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Poker Run --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" What's a critter drop? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Laird" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Poker Run > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird > > > > > >What is a "Poker Run" ? > >I've heard the term before in association with fly-ins. > > You select 5 (or whatever) nearby runways, and a team of people place a > cards in sealed envelopes at each location. > > The contest is: each pilot flies to each spot, and collects an > envelope. When they all return to the home airport, the cards are revealed > and whoever has the best hand, wins the contest. (It gives you an excuse > to go flying! ) > > In my experience, there are two kinds of participating pilots at Fly-Ins... > the skill player, and everyone else. Everyone else goes and does the Poker > Run while the skill players do the torpedo run, bomb run, critter drop, etc. > > -- Robert > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:47 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vamoose & fishin --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Can't believe over 2 weeks has gone by...........been pretty busy - except on Vamoose. :-) I had to stop and think about where you fish, cause we used to go out in some really nasty weather, out of Port Angeles, WA. Up there, tho', you're only going a couple of miles or so, and while a lot of it is really steep, sloppy tidal/wind/current mix-ups, you're not out in it too long. Kinda fun for a while, but it beats you to death after a bit. From what I understand of your area, you must have to make very long runs out to sea, and a heavier swell would get very tiresome & tear up equipment very quickly. I sure hope the weather co-operates when I get there; I've heard and read a lot about fishing in your area, and it sounds GOOD. Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vamoose & fishin > --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com > > In a message dated 2/24/04 2:30:26 AM Central Standard Time, > biglar@gogittum.com writes: > > << > sometime, headin' for Lousy-ana and points east. Lar. > Do not Archive. > > Larry Bourne > >> > Larry, > If the seas cooperate when you are in my neck of the woods I dont see why > not. Normally you have to check the wind & seas the evening before you go the > next morning. I dont like to go out in more than 2 ft seas. No fun! I havent > heard much on the state of vamoose. Im looking for a hanger in my area so I > can finnish my Firefly. I have the land south of Houston where I am going to > put in a grass strip. It just takes time & money. > > Regards, > > Ed (in Houston) > > Do Not Archive > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:27 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Kolb-List: Re: possum shirt --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike He could wear it to our church and still be all right. (Although they might look twice if he was the one to take up the collection...) Richard Pike Pastor, Blountville Community Chapel At 11:20 PM 3/8/04 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums > > > > > >I have got to remember to take my Possum shirt to Lakeland. Makes a > >wonderful dinner shirt. > > > >Thanks, Possum. > > > >john h (junior possum) > > > >DO NOT ARCHIVE > >Just don't wear it to church and I think you'll be alright. > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:14 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vamoose & fishin --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Aw, phooey.............didn't look at the address again. Sorry, Ed, and sorry All. Embarassed Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vamoose & fishin > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > Can't believe over 2 weeks has gone by...........been pretty busy - except on Vamoose. :-) I had to stop and think about where you fish, ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:01 PM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar KXP kit for sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com In a message dated 3/4/04 9:35:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, TandCDubroc@centurytel.net writes: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tommy Dubroc" > > Kolb Firestar KXP (kit) > 1992 model (kit) > Tommy, Where is the kit located? Do Not Archive Bill Varnes Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ