---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/15/04: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:02 AM - Re: Grey Baron sighting? (Larry Bourne) 2. 01:29 AM - Re: Grey Baron sighting? (Edward Chmielewski) 3. 06:13 AM - writers (kinnepix) 4. 06:43 AM - Airnav.com (Richard Pike) 5. 06:49 AM - FW: Request: Information for Kitplanes Article (Interiors/Exteriors) (Christopher Armstrong) 6. 07:39 AM - Re: FireFly Update and Mods.. (Don Gherardini) 7. 09:20 AM - Re: Request: Information for Kitplanes Article (Interiors/Exteriors) (Larry Bourne) 8. 10:30 AM - Re: writers (Cory Emberson) 9. 12:29 PM - Re: Request: Information for Kitplanes Article (Interiors/Exteriors) (John Hauck) 10. 12:41 PM - Re: Airnav.com (John Hauck) 11. 01:10 PM - Re: Airnav.com (Bob Bean) 12. 01:25 PM - Re: Airnav.com (Robert Laird) 13. 01:45 PM - Re: Airnav.com (John Hauck) 14. 02:15 PM - Your My Hero (Mike Pierzina) 15. 02:36 PM - UMA Tach (The Kuffels) 16. 04:34 PM - Re: Airnav.com (Fackler, Ken) 17. 07:25 PM - Re: Your My Hero (Cory Emberson) 18. 07:31 PM - Re: Your My Hero (John Hauck) 19. 07:41 PM - Re: UMA Tach (John Hauck) 20. 09:32 PM - Re: FireFly Update and Mods.. (Dennis Souder) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:02:27 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Grey Baron sighting? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Love it ! ! ! Sure looks like the ol' rascal to me. :-) Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Kolb-List: Grey Baron sighting? > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > Hey, I think I might have spotted our own Grey Baron, Bob Noyer > in today's paper. If you want to see it, here's the link > > http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/GreyBaron.html > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:29:29 AM PST US From: "Edward Chmielewski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Grey Baron sighting? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski" Rev. Pike, Nice job. A definite resemblance, too! Do not archive. Ed in JXN MkII/503 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Kolb-List: Grey Baron sighting? > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > Hey, I think I might have spotted our own Grey Baron, Bob Noyer > in today's paper. If you want to see it, here's the link > > http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/GreyBaron.html > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > do not archive > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:42 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: writers From: kinnepix --> Kolb-List message posted by: kinnepix Just a brief comment -- It sounds as though Cory should have started her request with an explanation of who she was and what she was doing, before she asked for any help, and I'm sure she realizes this now. But as a professional photographer-writer for all my adult life, I know there IS NO "easy way to write an article". It's all hard work, esp. in a new or unusual field. And I know that Editors are famous for saying "do this by next week if you want this job" -- which puts a lot of pressure on the writer. It's too easy, under this pressure, to lean on people a bit more than you should, or short-cut things like introductions. She's just trying to do her job. Let's help if we can. We've all been through 'Theme Writing 101' at some point. Russ Kinne ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:21 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Kolb-List: Airnav.com --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike For those of you that have been using Airnav.com to look up different airports, it appears they are going to a List-for-fee type service. I have gotten 4 notices that unless I send them ongoing payments, they are going to drop Indian Springs airport off their listing. So don't be surprised if many of the airports you used to find on their website are no longer there. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:17 AM PST US From: "Christopher Armstrong" Subject: FW: Kolb-List: Request: Information for Kitplanes Article (Interiors/Exteriors) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Armstrong [mailto:tophera@centurytel.net] Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Request: Information for Kitplanes Article (Interiors/Exteriors) Cory, Sorry you have received such rude replies from some of the Kolb listers. I don't think I have anything useful to give you for your article since I haven't gotten that far in my plane yet. I did contribute to the interior of Powersport Aviation's RV-6A, putting a custom computer and engine management and navigation software in the instrument panel, see www.powersportaviation.com if that might interest you. I think they are wrong to insult your research methods. Despite some of the comments about your techniques by some of the listers, I think it is good to go straight to the troops to hear what they are doing in the trenches so to speak, as long as you do additional research on your own and compose the information from all sources into a good article. I don't know where these guys think you are supposed to get information about how people are finishing their kitplane then from the kit builders? Anyway, good luck and I look forward to reading the article since I hope to be finishing my plane soon. Topher ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:27 AM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly Update and Mods.. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" gosh george.....thx fer the kind words....! Don Gherardini OEM.Sales / Engineering dept. American Honda Engines Power Equipment Company CortLand, Illinois 800-626-7326 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:47 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Request: Information for Kitplanes Article (Interiors/Exteriors) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I'll go along with that, Topher. Cory, take a look in my website, under "Building Vamoose," and use what you think you might need. All I ask in return is that I receive proper credit for it. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Armstrong" Subject: FW: Kolb-List: Request: Information for Kitplanes Article (Interiors/Exteriors) > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Armstrong [mailto:tophera@centurytel.net] > To: 'kolb-list@matronics.com' > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Request: Information for Kitplanes Article > (Interiors/Exteriors) > > Cory, > > Sorry you have received such rude replies from some of the Kolb listers. I > don't think I have anything useful to give you for your article since I > haven't gotten that far in my plane yet. I did contribute to the ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:12 AM PST US From: "Cory Emberson" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: writers --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" Thanks Russ, I appreciate it. Editorial work is like that - "wait and hurry up." I do apologize for shorting you all on the introduction ... please pardon my temporary lapse in good manners. :-) Just for the record, with a smile, I am 46 - well past my yout', and never had the chance to do research online when I was in college. We actually had to show up at the library and find books and journals! I even had to write my papers and theses on an IBM Selectric ... uphill, both ways! :-) At any rate, I hope the waters are calmed and I appreciate the replies very much. I have quite a few emails to wade through, and will reply to everyone in person. best regards, Cory > --> Kolb-List message posted by: kinnepix > > Just a brief comment -- > It sounds as though Cory should have started her request with an explanation > of who she was and what she was doing, before she asked for any help, and > I'm sure she realizes this now. > But as a professional photographer-writer for all my adult life, I know > there IS NO "easy way to write an article". It's all hard work, esp. in a > new or unusual field. And I know that Editors are famous for saying "do this > by next week if you want this job" -- which puts a lot of pressure on the > writer. It's too easy, under this pressure, to lean on people a bit more > than you should, or short-cut things like introductions. She's just trying > to do her job. Let's help if we can. > We've all been through 'Theme Writing 101' at some point. > Russ Kinne > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:29:59 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Request: Information for Kitplanes Article (Interiors/Exteriors) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | Cory, | | Sorry you have received such rude replies from some of the Kolb listers. | Anyway, good luck and I look forward to reading the article since I hope to | be finishing my plane soon. | | Topher Topher/Listers: Doesn't look like we will ever agree on anything, does it? You seemed to have missed my point again, as usual. I, for one, am anxiously awaiting the completion and test pilot reports of the Topher Special Kolb FS. I'm sure, with a few hours of test flying and tweaking, you will have that little sucker humming. BTW: Cory and I have been corresponding bc. We have no problems, now. :-) Good luck, john h (Flying and tweaking Kolbs for 20 years. There is no end to it. If there was, it wouldn't be any fun. hehehehe) DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:58 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Airnav.com --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" So don't be surprised if | many of the airports you used to find on their website are no longer there. | | Richard Pike Richard/All: Seems to be the price of progress these days. We get comfortable with a free system, then they try to extort money from us. Well, got along without them before, guess I can now if necessary. However, it is convenient finding those little private strips and airports that I can not find any other way. john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:58 PM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Airnav.com --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean You mean they will disappear from the face of the earth? curiouser and curiouser.... I better put a fence around my runway. har har do not archive Richard Pike wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > >For those of you that have been using Airnav.com to look up different >airports, it appears they are going to a List-for-fee type service. I have >gotten 4 notices that unless I send them ongoing payments, they are going >to drop Indian Springs airport off their listing. So don't be surprised if >many of the airports you used to find on their website are no longer there. > >Richard Pike >MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:39 PM PST US From: Robert Laird Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Airnav.com --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird At 08:43 AM 3/15/2004, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > >For those of you that have been using Airnav.com to look up different >airports, it appears they are going to a List-for-fee type service. I have >gotten 4 notices that unless I send them ongoing payments, they are going >to drop Indian Springs airport off their listing. So don't be surprised if >many of the airports you used to find on their website are no longer there. That's an odd strategy... if, say, almost no one paid for the listing, then the usefulness of AirNav would drop precipitously, and no one would visit it. Seems the few remaining airports that did pay would be pretty angry that the service lost its popularity. If this were the only source available on the Internet, then it might (emphasis on "might") work, but since it isn't, I see them going the way of the Dodo Bird. -- R do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:25 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Airnav.com --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" and | curiouser.... | I better put a fence around my runway. har har BB/Gang: Too late. I already go you in the hauck's holler GPS data base. Was fortunate enough last October to spend the night right in the middle of Bean Field, or is it Bean Airfield? Slept pretty good too. Take care, john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:15:50 PM PST US From: "Mike Pierzina" Subject: Kolb-List: Your My Hero --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" Hey John, You should put some kind of a Generic Apology in your "signature"... because you can't please ALL the people ALL the time... He he he I sent some pictures to that lady...but she told me to finish my plane....? I told her she obviously didn't check my web site like I told her....I'm ready for engine break-in and taxi testing....Oh well, Whatever... I'm SORRY , but, Gotta Fly... Mike in MN Do Not Archive --- My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... Gotta Fly... ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:39 PM PST US From: The Kuffels Subject: Kolb-List: UMA Tach --> Kolb-List message posted by: The Kuffels Sent this yesterday but it was bounced back by a server in Seattle saying Matronics was "full". Ah the wonders of computers: John, <> Before you send the tack back you might want to check other causes. It sounds as if your new tach is susceptible to engine noise. Try some filtering techniques remembering this is more art than science: 1) RF bypass ceramic capacitors. Two at the tach terminals, one from +12 terminal to ground terminal and the other from the tach lead terminal to the ground terminal. First try 0.001 microfarads. If that doesn't work then 0.01 and if that isn't enough then 0.1 microfarad. Don't know the mechanical structure of the UMA terminals but you can just solder the larger capacitors onto the leads of the smaller as you work your way up. 2) Try similar filter bypassing from the tach source to a nearby ground. 3) 3 wire Shielded cable with the shield grounded at one end only, probably the engine end would be best. If all this fails, then you probably need a different brand of tach which is less vulnerable to electrical noise. Good luck, Tom Kuffel Whitefish, MT Building Original FireStar ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:44 PM PST US From: "Fackler, Ken" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Airnav.com --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" Don't put up with that! There's probably a zillion places elsewhere to find that info. Here's a couple I favor: http://www.aeroplanner.com/ http://www.michigan.gov/aero/1,1607,7-145-6777_7036---,00.html do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Kolb-List: Airnav.com > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > For those of you that have been using Airnav.com to look up different > airports, it appears they are going to a List-for-fee type service. I have > gotten 4 notices that unless I send them ongoing payments, they are going > to drop Indian Springs airport off their listing. So don't be surprised if > many of the airports you used to find on their website are no longer there. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:10 PM PST US From: "Cory Emberson" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Your My Hero --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" Hi Mike, So sorry about that! I just looked at the first picture really quickly ... now that I'm home, I can take a longer look. I had to scram from the office by 2 so I could collect my son before the gummint got him! :-) I'll take a second look and write back again - again, sorry about the too-quick reply. best, Cory > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" > > Hey John, > You should put some kind of a Generic Apology in your "signature"... because you can't please ALL the people ALL the time... He he he > > I sent some pictures to that lady...but she told me to finish my plane....? > > I told her she obviously didn't check my web site like I told her....I'm ready for engine break-in and taxi testing....Oh well, Whatever... > > I'm SORRY , but, > Gotta Fly... > Mike in MN > Do Not Archive > > > --- > My Web Site: > http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html > > > Sometimes you just have to take the leap > and build your wings on the way down... > Gotta Fly... > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:38 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Your My Hero --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" "signature"... because you can't please ALL the people ALL the time... He he he Hi Mike/All: Seriously, I do not think it would help my situation. Seems no matter what I post, somebody sorely disagrees. I spend more time thinking about how my posts will affect others more than I do what I am addressing. Reckon I need to back off and observe from the distance. Got a lot of things going now and need to spend more time doing them than reading this builders list. Take care, john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:55 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: UMA Tach --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | Before you send the tack back you might want to check other causes. | If all this fails, then you probably need a different brand of tach | which is less vulnerable to electrical noise. | Tom Kuffel Hi Tom/Gang: Too late Brother. The tach is on its way to Corona, CA. I order from Acft Spruce. The item comes from Griffin, GA, 150 miles away. The item doesn't work. I have to pay to have it shipped to the other side of the country. hehehe I ordered another tach, identical to the one that was inop. This particular UMA is a dedicated model for the 912 series Rotax engines. If, for some reason, I get the same symptoms from the replacement tach as I did the original tach, I will send it back and buy a Rotax 2 1/4" tach like the one I wore out and pulled out last Friday. It worked great for many hours. UMA has a "support" line to help folks that have problems with their products. Before I send the second one back, I will contact UMA. Thanks for all the help, Tom. Got to get things in order to fly in July. Well before that too. Plan to fly to Lakeland, then MV, then turn around, load the airplane and head for Whitefish, MT, and Alaska. :-) That is me smiling. I am happy when I have good flying trips planned and waiting to be executed. Talked to my buddy, JD Smith, in North Pole, AK, last week. He is aware that there will be more than me coming up in the unorganized gaggle from the lower 48. Said he'd get the grill out and be waiting on us to arrive Bradley Sky Ranch, North Pole, AK. Take care, john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:32:21 PM PST US From: "Dennis Souder" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly Update and Mods.. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dennis Souder" Don, What can I say ... very impressive design changes and craftsmanship! Actually, not to worry, Dennis doesn't cringe over such things. Things that have caused Dennis to cringe have been things like a VW installed in a Kolb Flyer. Yes that's right - not a Soob in an UltraStar (although that does carry some cringe factor too) - but a Flyer. Luckily I talked him about of the VW, but lo and behold next time I visited he had 4 Chrysler West Bend engines installed. Just had to have 4 cylinders, it would seem. Reminiscent of that game wack-a-mole ... kept bopping away at the cylinders and they would just pop up elsewhere else! Listening to Aubrey Radford talk about his flying at SNF caused me to cringe, to say nothing about hearing about what happened later. Oh yea, watching that old Kolb video with the aerobatics causes me to cringe too. The FireFly was just an original FireStar attacked by a huge pair of snips. Homer's turn to cringe! Engine was too tough to cut, so we kept that intact. Thanks for the FF tour! Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Kolb-List: FireFly Update and Mods.. > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" > > Well everyone.....I have updated my Website a little..to reflect the mods > that are taking place. > Here is a link to page 14...the enclosure page..showing the method I used to > enclose the upper rear half of the cage..and the 10 gallon Challenger tank > is installed on page 15. The single strut mod is on a page labled strut mods > . Menu is on the bottom of each page. > > > ...My apoligies to Dennis Souder who's work on designing this bird still has > not been equaled in this industry. It probably makes Dennis cringe when he > sees a great airplane like the FireFly all messed up like this..If I > designed this airplane..it probably would make me feel that away!...So > Dennis..you better not look at these pages pard. You have been awfully > helpful, cordial and respectful to me..and I think you designed the best > ultralight in the industry!...and...I believe it still is even after several > years! Hard to believe no body has done it since. > > > here is a link to page 14 > http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/enclosure.htm > > > Don G > >