---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/20/04: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:48 AM - Re: Lesson Learned - 912 (johnjung@compusenior.com) 2. 07:19 AM - Email and Spam (dama) 3. 09:58 AM - Re: Email and Spam (G. T. Alexander, Jr.) 4. 12:10 PM - Robert Laird's Friend's Crash (John Hauck) 5. 01:02 PM - Rivets (Larry Bourne) 6. 01:24 PM - Re: Rivets (John Hauck) 7. 01:52 PM - Hobbs (Mike Pierzina) 8. 04:04 PM - Airplane attacks truck (Mike Pierzina) 9. 05:24 PM - Re: Hobbs (Richard Pike) 10. 05:26 PM - Kolb History (John Hauck) 11. 05:30 PM - Re: Kolb History (John Hauck) 12. 05:58 PM - Re: Email and Spam (Richard Pike) 13. 06:09 PM - Re: Rivets (Dave & Eve Pelletier) 14. 06:27 PM - Kolb History (tom coggin) 15. 07:13 PM - Re: Kolb History (George Bass) 16. 07:21 PM - Re: Email and Spam (dama) 17. 07:23 PM - Re: Kolb History (John Hauck) 18. 07:26 PM - Re: Hobbs (James and Cathy Tripp) 19. 08:30 PM - Re: Rivets (Bob Bean) 20. 09:04 PM - Re: Hobbs (Richard Pike) 21. 09:07 PM - Re: Kolb History (Richard Pike) 22. 09:46 PM - Re: Rivets (Larry Bourne) 23. 10:26 PM - Re: Mail (DAquaNut@aol.com) 24. 11:14 PM - Re: Mail (Larry Bourne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:23 AM PST US From: "johnjung@compusenior.com" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Lesson Learned - 912 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "johnjung@compusenior.com" Group, As Don pointed out, this problem is not limited to 912's. From my experience, gaps as small as .022 can be too big for 277's, 377's and point ignition 503's. They need to be set to .015, not .020. The book says from .015 to .020, but if set to .020, it won't take long for the electrode to erode .002. Then they could be hard to start. John Jung Firestar II N6163J Surprise, AZ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:20 AM PST US From: "dama" Subject: Kolb-List: Email and Spam --> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" Hello all, after reading about how spammers "harvest" websites for addresses. I tried eliminating all of the "@" signs in the database. However, the email addresses seem to still work. Anyone know the trick here to what I am trying to do? Thanks, Kip http://www.springeraviation.net/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:57 AM PST US From: "G. T. Alexander, Jr." Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Email and Spam --> Kolb-List message posted by: "G. T. Alexander, Jr." Kip: Contact me off line. We'll get it fixed. George Alexander http://gtalexander.home.att.net DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dama Subject: Kolb-List: Email and Spam --> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" Hello all, after reading about how spammers "harvest" websites for addresses. I tried eliminating all of the "@" signs in the database. However, the email addresses seem to still work. Anyone know the trick here to what I am trying to do? Thanks, Kip http://www.springeraviation.net/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:42 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Robert Laird's Friend's Crash --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Hi Robert/All: I read the story of your friend's flight from up north to Texas. That was indeed one of the longest 1250 mile flights on record. Seems like the weather and extreme cold ate him and his time up. While looking at your site I also read the story of your other friend's crash. I was looking at this picture http://rtlaird.ath.cx:99/Aviation/RicksCrash/default.htm trying to figure out why the pilot decided to land under those power lines and through those pine trees. Some times it is difficult to know what the terrain and vegetation situation is from 500 feet. Looking at the table top area that the engine failure and subsequent crash occurred, was wondering why the pilot chose that particular route of flight. I am not trying to sharp shoot your man. Just curious why he made the decisions he made. Take care, john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:02:11 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Kolb-List: Rivets --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Where can I order the wide head aluminum pop rivets for the wing fabric ?? Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:24:44 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rivets --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" fabric ?? Lar. Larry/All: Try Jim and Dondi Miller: http://www.aircrafttechsupport.com/ john h ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:52:05 PM PST US From: "Mike Pierzina" Subject: Kolb-List: Hobbs --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" Hey Guys, Today I added a Cig lighter socket, for my GPS power source...and I installed my Hobbs meter. I thought I was going to hook it up to my Ducati dual ignition, but when I turned the key to "both" nothing was "hot" except the main power source. I check the achives but didn't really find anything. Some people said they were going to hook theirs up to the ignition but I didn't hear how it turned out. Anybody got any ideas? I guess I'll be checking some of the catalogs... Gotta Fly... Mike in MN --- My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... Gotta Fly... ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:42 PM PST US From: "Mike Pierzina" Subject: Kolb-List: Airplane attacks truck --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" Hey John/ all, Speaking of crashes.... Check out the guys haulin A** out of the way... http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/3102L.jpg Hey John, I would have sent it directly to you , but I've had trouble in the past... DO NOT ARCHIVE Gotta Fly... Mike in MN --- My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... Gotta Fly... ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:59 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hobbs --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike I hooked mine up by using a microswitch clamped to a carb boot, and a little lever that turns the microswitch off and on as the oil injection lever moves off idle. No hobbs time at idle, (I don't care) but it comes on as soon as you give the engine some gas (assuming the master switch is on). So it takes having the master on, and the throttle advanced to get the hobbs to come on. Picture at this link. http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg8.htm Before this, I had the microswitch set up so that it had a little vane sticking out into the wind, the hobbs came on when I hit 25-30 mph. That was OK too. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive At 04:51 PM 3/20/04 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" > >Hey Guys, > Today I added a Cig lighter socket, for my GPS power > source...and I installed my Hobbs meter. > I thought I was going to hook it up to my Ducati dual ignition, but > when I turned the key to "both" nothing was "hot" except the main power > source. > > I check the achives but didn't really find anything. Some people > said they were going to hook theirs up to the ignition but I didn't hear > how it turned out. > > Anybody got any ideas? > > I guess I'll be checking some of the catalogs... > > Gotta Fly... > Mike in MN > > >--- >My Web Site: >http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html > > >Sometimes you just have to take the leap >and build your wings on the way down... > Gotta Fly... > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:16 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb History --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Hi Gang: Got in the mood. Scanned and uploaded a few more historical photos. This was on completion of the first flight of Cuz'n P'fer, July 1987. That's my big Brother Jim congratulating me for not busting my ass or my airplane. Wasn't long after this photo was taken that things started getting updated on Cuz. Number 1: The top strobe mount on the engine stress cracked and fell off in short order. The original 1" aluminum gear legs were replaced with 1 1/8" Twinstar legs. The wheel pants were removed. They were supposed to help me fly faster, keep the cow crap off the airplane and me. All they did was fill up the aft part of the pants with cow crap. The plastic Azuza wheels were extremely flexible, flexing into and rubbing away the fiberglass wheel pants. The overly long pitot tube was shortened up considerably. The reason I started out with the long tube was to get as clean a pitot reading as possible. I am sure that little exercise was an overkill. http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/FS%201st%20Flt%201987/First%20Flt%20July%201987.jpg Bert Howland's last Sun and Fun, 1994. http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Howlands/Bert%20Howland%20S&F%201994.jpg Bert and Ellen Howland, S&F 1994. That is a Corning Ultralight Flight Farm cup in front of her. http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Howlands/Bert%20Howland%20S&F%201994.jpg Spent the night here on my second flight to the NE. Also slept in the same spot on the first trip north, 1988. This is a hayfield next to I-81 near Dublin, VA. http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Osh%201989/Hay%20Fld%20Near%20Dublin,%20VA,%201989.jpg This was the camping area beside the airstrip at the Flight Farm, 1989. In front of my FS is an ice chest, bivy tent (commonly referred to as my body bag), and a Jeep provided by Doug Johnston, a Vietnam Vet I had met the year before. He lives in Beaver Dam, NY, a few miles down the road. http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Osh%201989/Flt%20Farm%201989.jpg This clipping was cut from the Oshkosh newspaper. That's me and Cuz'n P'fer doing our thing on downwind (to the north) along Hwy 41 for the UL airstrip. The caption says something about flying in early morning and late evening when the wind is calm. No one ever told me and Cuz about those flight restrictions on calm air. http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Osh%201989/Front%20Page.jpg Found a diner near Frederick, MD, and a hayfield across the street. Hauck gets hot chow. http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Osh%201989/Hayfield%20Near%20Frederick,%20MD,%201989.jpg Who says you can't fly a FS cross country and be comfortable. These hangers had been bulldozed when I landed there last July. That little green bag is what I carried my clothes in. The seat is propped up so I can get into the cargo compartment. Yes, a cargo compartment for my cargo. The little red and white thing on the back of that fiberglass jon boat seat is the small Halon fire extinguisher. http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Osh%201989/Linden,%20MI%201989.jpg How small Cuz and I were out there in this big country. Here is Cuz in the middle of a large concrete airbase, abandoned some time ago near Racco, MI, just a few miles south Whitefish Bay, Lake Superior, MI. John Williamson and I overflew Racco on our flight through this area last July. http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Osh%201989/Racco,%20MI%201989.jpg Horseshoe Falls, Niagara Falls, NY and Ontario, under the wing of Cuz'n P'fer, 1989. The photo is an accurate description of the weather and lighting conditions the day this pic was shot. http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Osh%201989/FS%20Over%20Niagra%201989.jpg Me and Cuz at Wind Star AP, MD, near Baltimore, MD, and Chesapeake Bay. Our last landing before arriving at Homer Kolb's in Spring City, PA, 1989. http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Osh%201989/Windstar%20Avn,%20MD,%201989.jpg If for some reason you do not think Kolb history should be presented on the Kolb List, please hit your delete key. Then crawl back in your hole. Just kidding. A little black humor for Jack Hart. He needs a shot of my black humor every once in a while to keep his ticker going. hehehe Please do not take this serious. It is in no way intended to be presented that way. I find if I get too serious I get bored and depressed. Take care, john h ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:30:33 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb History --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Flight | Farm cup in front of her. | | http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Howlands/Bert%20Howland%20S&F%201994.jpg | Hi Ya'll: My first screw up today. Well the second. The first was getting out of bed this morning. The above url should have been: http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Howlands/Bert%20and%20Ellen%20Howland%20S&F%201994.jpg 20,000 xin loi's GI. john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:37 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Email and Spam --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Along this same line, if I type the e-mail address of any of the listers into my goggle search engine, it gives me a bunch of hits out of the Kolb archives. Seems to me that our archives are a treasure trove of spam-friendly resources/addresses. Unfortunately, I haven't a clue how to suggest a fix. Matt Dralle? Ur thoughts on this? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 12:58 PM 3/20/04 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "G. T. Alexander, Jr." > >Kip: >Contact me off line. We'll get it fixed. >George Alexander >http://gtalexander.home.att.net >DO NOT ARCHIVE > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dama >To: kolb-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kolb-List: Email and Spam > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" > >Hello all, after reading about how spammers "harvest" websites for >addresses. I tried eliminating all of the "@" signs in the database. >However, the email addresses seem to still work. Anyone know the trick here >to what I am trying to do? >Thanks, >Kip > >http://www.springeraviation.net/ > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:32 PM PST US From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rivets --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Lar, I just ordered some from a place here in Prescott Valley called "Fastenall." According to everything I can figure, they're the same as Acft Spruce's rivets that costs $78 for 500. I'm paying $19.00 for 500 and no shipping. They're supposed to be in by this Tuesday so I can let you know more then. AzDave Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Kolb-List: Rivets > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > Where can I order the wide head aluminum pop rivets for the wing fabric ?? Lar. > > Larry Bourne > Palm Springs, CA > Building Kolb Mk III > N78LB Vamoose > www.gogittum.com > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:09 PM PST US From: "tom coggin" Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb History --> Kolb-List message posted by: "tom coggin" Get a life. hahaha. you need help! hehehe DO archive under Hauck, John. Tom Coggin Cullman, Alabama 256 775-0383 Firefly, ultralight RV-6 N112WA ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:00 PM PST US From: "George Bass" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb History --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bass" John H; Well, I for one, am pretty damned incensed at the blatant use of this list for your personal display of historical adventures in a Kolb. . . . . WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG.? AND, where's the rest of your adventures? I had the very distinct and pleasurable honor to meet with Adriel Heisey last year, and altho many of his photos are published, I see no real difference in the quality of many of your pictures. Please continue to entertain us, George --- ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:26 PM PST US From: "dama" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Email and Spam --> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" Along with some ideas from George, I have remove the "link" capability of the email addresses. It makes from more work to cut and paste and remove the (X) but I do not want to contribute to anyone else's spam count. Sort of takes away some needed "color" from the list as well... Oh well, hope that it helps. Also, and I hope to not jinx myself but I am close to arranging for some air to air shots with either a Stearman or Waco with the Firestar here shortly...fingers crossed. Kip http://www.springeraviation.net/ ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:16 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb History --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | the blatant use of this list for your personal | display of historical adventures in a Kolb. Hi You All: Seems I am getting some responses. There are real live people out there on the other end of the cable. Every once in a while I get a spurt of ambition and get in the old pics. I have bunches of them. My problem is I get back into them and spend the night reliving all those old, exciting times. Take care, john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:10 PM PST US From: "James and Cathy Tripp" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hobbs --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp" Hey Richard, I think my EIS has an hour meter that works when the engine is running so I want something else to record actual flying time. I 'm looking for a way to get my hobbs to work kind of like you did with some kind of wind vane connected to a micro switch and then to the hobbs. Why did you switch to a different method and how did you set up your wind vane? James Tripp FSII, Finished Painting DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hobbs > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > I hooked mine up by using a microswitch clamped to a carb boot, and a > little lever that turns the microswitch off and on as the oil injection > lever moves off idle. No hobbs time at idle, (I don't care) but it comes on > as soon as you give the engine some gas (assuming the master switch is on). > So it takes having the master on, and the throttle advanced to get the > hobbs to come on. > Picture at this link. > http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg8.htm > Before this, I had the microswitch set up so that it had a little vane > sticking out into the wind, the hobbs came on when I hit 25-30 mph. That > was OK too. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > do not archive > > At 04:51 PM 3/20/04 -0500, you wrote: > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" > > > >Hey Guys, > > Today I added a Cig lighter socket, for my GPS power > > source...and I installed my Hobbs meter. > > I thought I was going to hook it up to my Ducati dual ignition, but > > when I turned the key to "both" nothing was "hot" except the main power > > source. > > > > I check the achives but didn't really find anything. Some people > > said they were going to hook theirs up to the ignition but I didn't hear > > how it turned out. > > > > Anybody got any ideas? > > > > I guess I'll be checking some of the catalogs... > > > > Gotta Fly... > > Mike in MN > > > > > >--- > >My Web Site: > >http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html > > > > > >Sometimes you just have to take the leap > >and build your wings on the way down... > > Gotta Fly... > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:44 PM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rivets --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean I can second that...have a Fastenal only 15 minutes away and their aluminum rivets are in my plane. Price is right too. -BB Dave & Eve Pelletier wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" > >Lar, > I just ordered some from a place here in Prescott Valley called >"Fastenall." >Do Not Archive > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Larry Bourne" >To: >Subject: Kolb-List: Rivets > > > > >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" >> >>Where can I order the wide head aluminum pop rivets for the wing fabric ?? >> >> >Lar. > > >>Larry Bourne >>Palm Springs, CA >>Building Kolb Mk III >>N78LB Vamoose >>www.gogittum.com >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:19 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hobbs --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike I switched because the wind vane looked cheesy, and because I was fiddling with the engine so much, that the "In-Flight/wind" hobbs time was probably not very accurate of engine time, which was what I wanted. Just get a little Radio Shack micro switch and solder a piece of thin brass sheet to the little arm that sticks out and make a bracket to hang the switch so the brass sticks into the wind. I think the brass sheet part was about 1/2" X 2.5" long, doesn't take much to close those little switches. I attached it to a bracket mounted on the radiator. Ran a hot wire to the Hobbs, and the Hobbs ground to the switch, and then to ground. The microswitch is about 3/4" square, 3/16" thick, has a little arm that sticks out of one side, 3 solder lugs that stick out the other side, and 2 little holes to screw it to a bracket. Since I don't know the part#, that's the best I can do. Someone on the list had a post a couple years ago about using a diode to do the same thing electronically, probably in the archives. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 09:26 PM 3/20/04 -0600, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp" > > >Hey Richard, > I think my EIS has an hour meter that works when the engine is running so I >want something else to record actual flying time. I 'm looking for a way to >get my hobbs to work kind of like you did with some kind of wind vane >connected to a micro switch and then to the hobbs. Why did you switch to a >different method and how did you set up your wind vane? > >James Tripp >FSII, Finished Painting > >DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:12 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb History --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike And the problem with that would be???? (Beats watching NASCAR on Speedvision) Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 09:23 PM 3/20/04 -0600, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > >Every once in a while I get a spurt of ambition and get in the old >pics. I have bunches of them. My problem is I get back into them and >spend the night reliving all those old, exciting times. > >Take care, > >john h > >DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:32 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rivets --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Hrrumphf ! ! ! Found Fastenal OK, but no addresses, and I'm not real interested in buying their stocks. Dunno.........?? Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Bean" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rivets > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean > > I can second that...have a Fastenal only 15 minutes away and their aluminum > rivets are in my plane. Price is right too. -BB > > Dave & Eve Pelletier wrote: > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" > > > >Lar, > > I just ordered some from a place here in Prescott Valley called > >"Fastenall." > >Do Not Archive > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Larry Bourne" > >To: > >Subject: Kolb-List: Rivets > > > > > > > > > >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > >> > >>Where can I order the wide head aluminum pop rivets for the wing fabric ?? > >> > >> > >Lar. > > > > > >>Larry Bourne > >>Palm Springs, CA > >>Building Kolb Mk III > >>N78LB Vamoose > >>www.gogittum.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:51 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mail --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com Lar, I did not send an E-mail with attachment Ed ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:12 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mail --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Didn't figger ya did............just bein' sure. I deleted that right after it came in. Sneaky S.O.B.'s..............I'd like to get my paws on some of those guys' necks.................! ! ! Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mail > --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com > > > Lar, > > I did not send an E-mail with attachment > > Ed > >