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1. 04:42 AM - Re: Kolb History (ronnie wehba)
2. 05:43 AM - Re: Kolb History (John Hauck)
3. 06:35 AM - Re: Rivets (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
4. 06:58 AM - Re: Hobbs (Christopher Armstrong)
5. 07:07 AM - Re: Rivets (George Bass)
6. 07:23 AM - Re: Monument Valley (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
7. 07:28 AM - Re: Kolb History (Don Gherardini)
8. 07:35 AM - Hobbs -v- flight-timer and EIS (Fackler, Ken)
9. 07:43 AM - Re: Monument Valley (Fackler, Ken)
10. 07:51 AM - Re: Monument Valley (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
11. 08:02 AM - Re: Rivets (jerb)
12. 08:28 AM - Re: Monument Valley (G. Thompson)
13. 08:29 AM - Hobbs (Mike Pierzina)
14. 08:30 AM - Re: Rivets (Bob Bean)
15. 08:31 AM - 912 & spark plug gap (boyd young)
16. 08:31 AM - hobs meter (boyd young)
17. 11:08 AM - Re: Mail (jerb)
18. 12:42 PM - Re: Mail (Larry Bourne)
19. 01:28 PM - Re: Mail (jerb)
20. 01:53 PM - USUA ground school (Paul Petty)
21. 03:10 PM - Do Not Archive Please (Mike Pierzina)
22. 05:32 PM - mail (ronnie wehba)
23. 06:06 PM - martin fabric clips (Clay Stuart)
24. 07:14 PM - Re: USUA ground school (Denny Rowe)
25. 10:32 PM - Re: martin fabric clips (Don Gherardini)
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb History |
required 5, BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_MONKEY_DSBL)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
> I am just really P.O.'ed cause I ain't done something like this also,
go,,john,,go!! in may I am flying to SWRFI in my max , or my u star if it
don't sell by tonite,, as i said if it is still here tonite, i am gonna keep
it for really nice mornings, and evenings.
> display of historical adventures in a Kolb.the blatant use of this list
for your personal
> .
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb History |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
also,
| go,,john,,go!! in may I am flying to SWRFI in my max , or my u star
if it
| don't sell by tonite,, as i said if it is still here tonite, i am
gonna keep
| it for really nice mornings, and evenings.
Ronnie/All:
SWRFI is held same weekend as the Kolb Unorganized Flyin, Monument
Valley, UT, 14-17 May. Was thinking about flying through that way,
but dates conflict.
Took a quick look at their web site. Looks like a big flyin.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Bob, Lar, Guys,
I was just reading the Poly Fiber manual and it says: "Fabric pop rivets
are special broad head rivets sold by aircraft supply houses specifically
for use on metal ribs. DO NOT attempt to use the hardware store variety!"
*&%$#!!! Now what? Bob, you mentioned that they are on your plane. How
long have they been there and can you see any problems? (Actually, I'd
guess the second part of that question is kinda stupid because you wouldn't
have 'seconded that' if there were problems, huh!) Did you get your rivets
from Fastenall? Does anyone have experience with using these rivets, and
what d'ya think would be the harm?
I'm heading down to Williams Aviation tomorrow to pick up my covering
supplies and have a number of questions for Merle. This will be one of them
and I'll let you know what he says.
AzDave
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Bean" <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rivets
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
> I can second that...have a Fastenal only 15 minutes away and their
aluminum
> rivets are in my plane. Price is right too. -BB
>
> >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> >>
> >>Where can I order the wide head aluminum pop rivets for the wing fabric
??
> >>
> >>
> >Lar.
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
You might be able to find a small pressure switch that can be hooked to the
pitot pressure line and start based on pitot pressure (airspeed)
Do not archive
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hobbs
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
I switched because the wind vane looked cheesy, and because I was
fiddling with the engine so much, that the "In-Flight/wind" hobbs time was
probably not very accurate of engine time, which was what I wanted.
Just get a little Radio Shack micro switch and solder a piece of thin brass
sheet to the little arm that sticks out and make a bracket to hang the
switch
so the brass sticks into the wind. I think the brass sheet part was about
1/2"
X 2.5" long, doesn't take much to close those little switches.
I attached it to a bracket mounted on the radiator.
Ran a hot wire to the Hobbs, and the Hobbs ground to the switch, and then
to ground.
The microswitch is about 3/4" square, 3/16" thick,
has a little arm that sticks out of one side, 3 solder lugs that stick out
the other side,
and 2 little holes to screw it to a bracket.
Since I don't know the part#, that's the best I can do.
Someone on the list had a post a couple years ago about using a diode to do
the same
thing electronically, probably in the archives.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 09:26 PM 3/20/04 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp"
><jtripp@elmore.rr.com>
>
>Hey Richard,
> I think my EIS has an hour meter that works when the engine is running so
I
>want something else to record actual flying time. I 'm looking for a way to
>get my hobbs to work kind of like you did with some kind of wind vane
>connected to a micro switch and then to the hobbs. Why did you switch to a
>different method and how did you set up your wind vane?
>
>James Tripp
>FSII, Finished Painting
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bass" <gtb@commspeed.net>
John H,
I suggest that one might confer with Mr. Pelletier
regarding the Monument Valley Fly-In. He was
there a year ago and his experience there could
be important to members of this list who might be
interested/curious about the event.
DAVE......are you listening? How about a little
commentary on it? Was it worth it? Are you
going to try to go again? Was there a pretty good
turn-out? How many & what types? Etc.
Anonymous
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:Monument Valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Anonymous George and Guys,
Monument Valley was awsome!!! I 'spect that just about everyone who was
there last year will return. I sure am going back, even if my plane isn't
ready. A super great bunch of guys and lots of good flying and yackking.
The folks at Gouldings were great too. For example, we asked if there were
any firepits around and a while later someone drives up and delivers one.
Lots of smiles, courteous, and the restaurant food was pretty good too. Gas
is available. I'd have to go back and check, but we had about 8 or 9
planes, mostly Kolbs, and about a dozen great folks.
All I can say is that if you're considering going, don't consider any more,
just go.
AzDave
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Bass" <gtb@commspeed.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rivets
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bass" <gtb@commspeed.net>
>
> John H,
>
> I suggest that one might confer with Mr. Pelletier
> regarding the Monument Valley Fly-In. He was
> there a year ago and his experience there could
> be important to members of this list who might be
> interested/curious about the event.
>
> DAVE......are you listening? How about a little
> commentary on it? Was it worth it? Are you
> going to try to go again? Was there a pretty good
> turn-out? How many & what types? Etc.
>
> Anonymous
>
>
> ---
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb History |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
John / and everyone
Thx fer the great pics John
You know what posting links to those pics do?
Here is what I think they do,
They show many, who otherwise may not believe it, what the crosscountry
capabilities of a Kolb are.
They are a helpful addition the the builders manual...which has few pics,
and a fella never knows just which picture will help a fella figger out
something that is "stumping him" in the manual, or on the prints.
They are an inspiration to Builders in progress, might help a fella "get
going" on his project. I had many pics of completed Kolbs on the wall in my
shed while I was building, I several on the inside of the door, so everytime
I left the shop, I had to look at Kolbs already built,,,It gave me a mental
incentive to get back in there asap to get it done...so I could have a fun
toy like those fellas do!.
Many of ..in fact likely most of those pics came from subscribers to this
list...another way all you guys helped me with my airplane!
Many of the pics also describe for the prospective builder/buyer, the
comradery that also can go along with owning a neat little airplane like
these, from camping adventures with others to airshow activities..Like Bert
and Ellens pics at Sun'n fun, and so manyothers of OshKosh and all the
fly-ins you guys go to all around the country. It is a testamony to the
benefits you can achieve...After you get your airplane built. Another really
good kick in the pants for a builders motivation.
And of course...they take a trip down memory lane for some, and invite
others to share in the wonderful memories of past joys.All attained by
ownership of these neat little airplanes...
IF that aint Kolb -related..neither is trying to find help buying a fabric
rivet....or asking how to mix Poly-tone..
about the ONLY thing I can think of that is Might not be a good thing, is
sometimes looking at some of these Pics causes me to want to build yet
another Kolb..I get so dang inspired by these post sometimes....it can be
dangerous to ones Financial health, and Marital status.
Thanks again John for those pics...and memories....and motivations!
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Hobbs -v- flight-timer and EIS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
Jim, et al:
I've just had a new EIS installed and it has the feature you're describing.
I think. There are two timers in the unit. One is for engine time and clocks
anytime the engine is on. The other is a flight timer that only clocks when
you reach a certain RPM. The plane is still at the repair station so I can't
recall whether the threshold on the latter is configurable or set by the
factory. The unit is the one available from Grand Rapids Technology.
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "James and Cathy Tripp" <jtripp@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hobbs
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp"
<jtripp@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Hey Richard,
> I think my EIS has an hour meter that works when the engine is running so
I
> want something else to record actual flying time. I 'm looking for a way
to
> get my hobbs to work kind of like you did with some kind of wind vane
> connected to a micro switch and then to the hobbs. Why did you switch to a
> different method and how did you set up your wind vane?
>
> James Tripp
> FSII, Finished Painting
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Pike" <rwpike@charter.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hobbs
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
> >
> > I hooked mine up by using a microswitch clamped to a carb boot, and a
> > little lever that turns the microswitch off and on as the oil injection
> > lever moves off idle. No hobbs time at idle, (I don't care) but it comes
> on
> > as soon as you give the engine some gas (assuming the master switch is
> on).
> > So it takes having the master on, and the throttle advanced to get the
> > hobbs to come on.
> > Picture at this link.
> > http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg8.htm
> > Before this, I had the microswitch set up so that it had a little vane
> > sticking out into the wind, the hobbs came on when I hit 25-30 mph. That
> > was OK too.
> >
> > Richard Pike
> > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > At 04:51 PM 3/20/04 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina"
<planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
> > >
> > >Hey Guys,
> > > Today I added a Cig lighter socket, for my GPS power
> > > source...and I installed my Hobbs meter.
> > > I thought I was going to hook it up to my Ducati dual ignition,
but
> > > when I turned the key to "both" nothing was "hot" except the main
power
> > > source.
> > >
> > > I check the achives but didn't really find anything. Some people
> > > said they were going to hook theirs up to the ignition but I didn't
hear
> > > how it turned out.
> > >
> > > Anybody got any ideas?
> > >
> > > I guess I'll be checking some of the catalogs...
> > >
> > > Gotta Fly...
> > > Mike in MN
> > >
> > >
> > >---
> > >My Web Site:
> > >http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
> > >
> > >
> > >Sometimes you just have to take the leap
> > >and build your wings on the way down...
> > > Gotta Fly...
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:Monument Valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
Where is Monument Valley, guys?
-Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Monument Valley
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier"
<pelletier@cableone.net>
>
> Anonymous George and Guys,
>
> Monument Valley was awsome!!! I 'spect that just about everyone who
was
> there last year will return. I sure am going back, even if my plane isn't
> ready. A super great bunch of guys and lots of good flying and yackking.
> The folks at Gouldings were great too. For example, we asked if there
were
> any firepits around and a while later someone drives up and delivers one.
> Lots of smiles, courteous, and the restaurant food was pretty good too.
Gas
> is available. I'd have to go back and check, but we had about 8 or 9
> planes, mostly Kolbs, and about a dozen great folks.
>
> All I can say is that if you're considering going, don't consider any
more,
> just go.
>
> AzDave
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Bass" <gtb@commspeed.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rivets
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bass" <gtb@commspeed.net>
> >
> > John H,
> >
> > I suggest that one might confer with Mr. Pelletier
> > regarding the Monument Valley Fly-In. He was
> > there a year ago and his experience there could
> > be important to members of this list who might be
> > interested/curious about the event.
> >
> > DAVE......are you listening? How about a little
> > commentary on it? Was it worth it? Are you
> > going to try to go again? Was there a pretty good
> > turn-out? How many & what types? Etc.
> >
> > Anonymous
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:Monument Valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Ken,
MV is on the Az/Utah border, about 100 miles west of the four corners
area of Colo, Az, Utah, NM.
AzDave
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Monument Valley
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
>
> Where is Monument Valley, guys?
>
> -Ken
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
I get nervous when I read about the average person obtaining pop rivets
from sources other than the kit manufacturer. Rivets are not just rivets,
there specified buy the particular job there intended to do. There is more
to rivets than diameter and length. Know your rivets.
There are different types, different materials, alloys, hardness, different
style and material mandrels, and grip lengths. All impact the rivets shear
and tensile strength and holding prosperities. Most of all don't run down
to your local Homely Depot or hardware store and get the ones they sell and
use them for anything that you wouldn't want to come apart in flight or
during a hard landing or crash. Many are soft and have much lower shear
and tensile strength figures. Last by having them around your shop you get
them mixed in with the aircraft rivets and soon you don't know what is what.
jerb
At 07:09 PM 3/20/04 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier"
><pelletier@cableone.net>
>
>Lar,
> I just ordered some from a place here in Prescott Valley called
>"Fastenall." According to everything I can figure, they're the same as Acft
>Spruce's rivets that costs $78 for 500. I'm paying $19.00 for 500 and no
>shipping. They're supposed to be in by this Tuesday so I can let you know
>more then.
>AzDave
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>To: <Kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kolb-List: Rivets
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> >
> > Where can I order the wide head aluminum pop rivets for the wing fabric ??
>Lar.
> >
> > Larry Bourne
> > Palm Springs, CA
> > Building Kolb Mk III
> > N78LB Vamoose
> > www.gogittum.com
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:Monument Valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "G. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
I also plan on going up to MV. Although I do not have a Kolb anymore, I have
built and flew two of them in the past. I think I will go with AZ Dave or go
alone. A few years ago I flew my Firestar from here (Arizona) to Missouri
and back. I got my inspiration and information from John H (of who I want to
thank and meet) on this page. If you have never been to MV, It is a most awe
inspiring place, No other place on earth like it. And as Dave said one
time,"There may not be many more chances to go up there and fly. The Indians
think of this place as a religious site and they may decide that little
buzzing airplanes flying are going to disturb the spirits. Just my thoughts.
George, The Bald Eagle of Arizona.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Monument Valley
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier"
<pelletier@cableone.net>
>
> Ken,
> MV is on the Az/Utah border, about 100 miles west of the four corners
> area of Colo, Az, Utah, NM.
> AzDave
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Monument Valley
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
> >
> > Where is Monument Valley, guys?
> >
> > -Ken
> > ----- Original Message -----
>
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hey Guys/Richard,
Well, I wired my Hobbs to the switch that turns ON my EIS....
I wonder why my Ducati Dual ignition people didn't think about this problem...I
paid $80 bucks for the One Trick Pony .....
Richard gave me an Idea... If I had a micro switch that was "triggered" by
the Key...in the ON position....I'll have to give that more thought.
Yes , the EIS has an hour meter, but like the one in my other aircraft...If
the battery for it's memory ever needs changing....there goes your information...
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
Do not archive
Here's a SLICK picture of a SR-71
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Misc/2378L.jpg
---
My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Doesn't take much to stimulate the Kolb listers, rivets no less! I know
this subject has been covered before but here's my source...
It wasn't fastenal but they might have 'em. WW Grainger, stock
no. 4Y036 box of 500. Can't remember the price but the reason I
used 'em was they were just around the corner. You have to buy
through a commercial account to do business with them...Lar,
that hotel really needs some :) -as for any diff, I don't think
ACS or poly fiber actually manufactures rivets, they buy em in a
big box and sell em in a little sack.-BB , brazing copper today.
Dave & Eve Pelletier wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
>
>Bob, Lar, Guys,
>
> I was just reading the Poly Fiber manual and it says: "Fabric pop rivets
>are special broad head rivets sold by aircraft supply houses specifically
>for use on metal ribs. DO NOT attempt to use the hardware store variety!"
>*&%$#!!! Now what? Bob, you mentioned that they are on your plane. How
>long have they been there and can you see any problems? (Actually, I'd
>guess the second part of that question is kinda stupid because you wouldn't
>have 'seconded that' if there were problems, huh!) Did you get your rivets
>from Fastenall? Does anyone have experience with using these rivets, and
>what d'ya think would be the harm?
>
> I'm heading down to Williams Aviation tomorrow to pick up my covering
>supplies and have a number of questions for Merle. This will be one of them
>and I'll let you know what he says.
>
>AzDave
>
>Do Not Archive
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob Bean" <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rivets
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>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
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>>I can second that...have a Fastenal only 15 minutes away and their
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>>rivets are in my plane. Price is right too. -BB
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>>>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
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>>>>Where can I order the wide head aluminum pop rivets for the wing fabric
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| Subject: | 912 & spark plug gap |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
it even has a statement about reducing the gap to .5 mm if you are having
starting problems. So I decided to check the spark plugs. Reduced the gaps to
.70 mm. There ain't much difference in the gap but it sure makes a lot
difference in the start. Cranks right up just like it used to.
Less than 2 months to MV!
a friend of mine who does a lot of work on engines told me this bit of info.
the electrodes of a spark plug will start to round at the corners when they
get older..... the spark will jump the gap of the spark plug from the sharpest
corner it can fine..... if the corners have worn off .010 and you set the
rounded part of the electrode to .020... the efective gap is .030.... the wear
will continue untill the top of the crown on the electrode starts to wear
and the phisical gap increases... when cleaning up spark plugs it is best to
take a spark plug file and hit the electrodes and eleminate the crown. so you
have sharp corners at the proper gap distance. both the center electrode and
the ground.
the other thing that will help is a new batery.... started having problems this
winter..... installed a new batery and doubled the cranking speed and it starts
like new.
boyd
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"James and Cathy Tripp" <jtripp@elmore.rr.com>
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
just going from memory... it seems the hobs in the eis doesnot register until you
hit 300 rpm......... maybe check with grandrapids and check if the number
can be raised to 2000 or 2500 then it should give you a good indicitaion of
flight time maybe you could put in the micro switch in line with the eis
rpm pick up.
boyd
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Question - since several people have received emails with infected
attachments bearing Lar's email address, is it possible Lar's machine is
infected. There not coming through the Matronics list - there sent direct
to each individual party. I didn't look at the header info of the message
I received as I didn't want to risk messing with it anymore than needed to
delete it. Many ISP will not send an email that has a return address
bearing a different domain address. Example xxx@comcast.com would not be
send by verizon ISP since the return address is not within the same domain
name, i.e. verizon.net.
jerb
At 11:13 PM 3/20/04 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
>Didn't figger ya did............just bein' sure. I deleted that right after
>it came in. Sneaky S.O.B.'s..............I'd like to get my paws on some of
>those guys' necks.................! ! ! Lar.
>Do not Archive.
>
>Larry Bourne
>Palm Springs, CA
>Building Kolb Mk III
>N78LB Vamoose
>www.gogittum.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <DAquaNut@aol.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mail
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
> >
> >
> > Lar,
> >
> > I did not send an E-mail with attachment
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Possible, but I doubt it. I have Norton with auto updates, which isn't
perfect, but does get most of 'em. I got one direct from another Kolb
List-er, and others have as well. Pays to keep your eyes open, eh ??
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "jerb" <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mail
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>
> Question - since several people have received emails with infected
> attachments bearing Lar's email address, is it possible Lar's machine is
> infected. There not coming through the Matronics list - there sent direct
> to each individual party. I didn't look at the header info of the message
> I received as I didn't want to risk messing with it anymore than needed to
> delete it. Many ISP will not send an email that has a return address
> bearing a different domain address. Example xxx@comcast.com would not be
> send by verizon ISP since the return address is not within the same domain
> name, i.e. verizon.net.
> jerb
>
> At 11:13 PM 3/20/04 -0800, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> >
> >Didn't figger ya did............just bein' sure. I deleted that right
after
> >it came in. Sneaky S.O.B.'s..............I'd like to get my paws on some
of
> >those guys' necks.................! ! ! Lar.
> >Do not Archive.
> >
> >Larry Bourne
> >Palm Springs, CA
> >Building Kolb Mk III
> >N78LB Vamoose
> >www.gogittum.com
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <DAquaNut@aol.com>
> >To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mail
> >
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Lar,
> > >
> > > I did not send an E-mail with attachment
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
If anyone receives another message with a virus attachment as coming from
our buddy Lar - expand the header and get the sending IP address info. I
had just deleted a couple of them from my trash bin this morning before
this came up so now I can't view them any longer.
jerb
At 12:41 PM 3/21/04 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
>Possible, but I doubt it. I have Norton with auto updates, which isn't
>perfect, but does get most of 'em. I got one direct from another Kolb
>List-er, and others have as well. Pays to keep your eyes open, eh ??
>Lar. Do not Archive.
>
>Larry Bourne
>Palm Springs, CA
>Building Kolb Mk III
>N78LB Vamoose
>www.gogittum.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "jerb" <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mail
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
> >
> > Question - since several people have received emails with infected
> > attachments bearing Lar's email address, is it possible Lar's machine is
> > infected. There not coming through the Matronics list - there sent direct
> > to each individual party. I didn't look at the header info of the message
> > I received as I didn't want to risk messing with it anymore than needed to
> > delete it. Many ISP will not send an email that has a return address
> > bearing a different domain address. Example xxx@comcast.com would not be
> > send by verizon ISP since the return address is not within the same domain
> > name, i.e. verizon.net.
> > jerb
> >
> > At 11:13 PM 3/20/04 -0800, you wrote:
> > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> > >
> > >Didn't figger ya did............just bein' sure. I deleted that right
>after
> > >it came in. Sneaky S.O.B.'s..............I'd like to get my paws on some
>of
> > >those guys' necks.................! ! ! Lar.
> > >Do not Archive.
> > >
> > >Larry Bourne
> > >Palm Springs, CA
> > >Building Kolb Mk III
> > >N78LB Vamoose
> > >www.gogittum.com
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: <DAquaNut@aol.com>
> > >To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mail
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lar,
> > > >
> > > > I did not send an E-mail with attachment
> > > >
> > > > Ed
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | USUA ground school |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Hi Kolbers,
Just got home from 2 days of ultralight ground school. At this school there were
several men that were considering buying or building ultralight aircraft. They
ranged from young men with no flight time to a retired Delta captain. As we
would take breaks, we would go outside and look at different brands of airplanes
and talk about their construction and capabilities. Me being the only one
there that is currently building one, I was asked many questions as you can imagine.
One of these questions was "What made you decide on a Kolb?" I replied
with "Well I did a years worth of research and decided that the Kolb had the strongest
wing in the market". So the one fella asked "What do you mean by strong?"
So I took him over to a challenger and told him to look inside the wing.
You can do this by simply easily and gently pulling the sail down at the wing
root and looking down the inside of the wing. I have never really done this my
self and when I looked I said "Holy cow! There's nothing in there but a couple
of aluminum tubes that run from the leading edge to the trailing!" And the cloth
is very sloppy and lose. Then we walked over to the only airplane on the
field that resembled a Kolb (a fergy) and he could tell right away at the differences
between the two. I think I might have sold a couple of Kolb's this weekend...hehehe...
I then went on to explain the differences between the two aircraft's
fuselage construction. The Challenger is all aluminum tubing with gussets
and the Kolb is a factory welded 4130 chrome molly steel unit. Everyone was
impressed to say the least.
In another topic on a break, the subject of recovery systems came up. A comment
was made that in a deployment of a BRS or similar type your decent rate is 27
mph. This sound right guys? In addition, this fellow said "You only want to deploy
a BRS if you have a major structural failure" And minimum altitude for deployment
was talked about. One guy said 150'. Another said NO WAY more like 300'.
I would like to know myself.
On another note, for any out there considering buying or building a Kolb or similar
type aircraft, and plan on getting a PPL or SP rating, I highly recommend
attending one of these ground schools and obtaining the USUA manual tiled "The
Ultralight Pilot's Flight Training Manual" Even though you may not plan on
a going the FAR part 103 legal route, you can learn a great deal from this manual.
My flight training thus far has been studying with ASA private pilot DVD's
and a CFII and I can now report to you that this manual is full of very useful
information about aviation in easy to understand terms. It's a great manual
and a good purchase.
Well I have rambled enough.. time to go drill some holes....
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
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| Subject: | Do Not Archive Please |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hey Guys,
Well, I had to dig around the archives this weekend.....It makes a LOOOONG
search when you have to sift through ALL THE GARBAGE...
That's some nice Info below ,...
But I don't think it needs to be archived...?
Do not archive
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Hi Kolbers,
Just got home from 2 days of ultralight ground school. At this school there were
several men that were considering buying or building ultralight aircraft. They
ranged from young men with no flight time to a retired Delta captain. As we
would take breaks, we would go outside and look at different brands of airplanes
and talk about their construction and capabilities. Me being the only one
there that is currently building one, I was asked many questions as you can imagine.
One of these questions was "What made you decide on a Kolb?" I replied
with "Well I did a years worth of research and decided that the Kolb had the strongest
wing in the market". So the one fella asked "What do you mean by strong?"
So I took him over to a challenger and told him to look inside the wing.
You can do this by simply easily and gently pulling the sail down at the wing
root and looking down the inside of the wing. I have never really done this my
self and when I looked I said "Holy cow! There's nothing in there but a couple
of aluminum tubes that run from the leading edge to the trailing!" And the cloth
is very sloppy and lose. Then we walked over to the only airplane on the
field that resembled a Kolb (a fergy) and he could tell right away at the differences
between the two. I think I might have sold a couple of Kolb's this weekend...hehehe...
I then went on to explain the differences between the two aircraft's
fuselage construction. The Challenger is all aluminum tubing with gussets
and the Kolb is a factory welded 4130 chrome molly steel unit. Everyone was
impressed to say the least.
In another topic on a break, the subject of recovery systems came up. A comment
was made that in a deployment of a BRS or similar type your decent rate is 27
mph. This sound right guys? In addition, this fellow said "You only want to deploy
a BRS if you have a major structural failure" And minimum altitude for deployment
was talked about. One guy said 150'. Another said NO WAY more like 300'.
I would like to know myself.
On another note, for any out there considering buying or building a Kolb or similar
type aircraft, and plan on getting a PPL or SP rating, I highly recommend
attending one of these ground schools and obtaining the USUA manual tiled "The
Ultralight Pilot's Flight Training Manual" Even though you may not plan on
a going the FAR part 103 legal route, you can learn a great deal from this manual.
My flight training thus far has been studying with ASA private pilot DVD's
and a CFII and I can now report to you that this manual is full of very useful
information about aviation in easy to understand terms. It's a great manual
and a good purchase.
Well I have rambled enough.. time to go drill some holes....
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
expand the header and get the sending IP address info
how do you do this??
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| Subject: | martin fabric clips |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
Noticed clips to secure fabric on Aeronca, Stinson, Taylorcraft. Anyone
know about using these instead of rivits:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/fabclips.php
If the holes are smaller than 1/8", maybe there would be a strength
advantage.
Clay Stuart
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| Subject: | Re: USUA ground school |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Paul,
Great post, really enjoy your input.
Take Care and happy building!
Sincerely,
Denny Rowe
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: martin fabric clips |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Clay,
I dont think there would be any strength advantage, the rivets filling up
the hole lend back quite abit of strength to the small tubing rib in a Kolb.
And those clips..they we really designed for grade A cotton,,not the light
weight stits fabric. I have recovered a wing or 2 in my days that used those
clips.(airknockers).and I always thought they were poor....you can usually
see wear in the holes where a loose clip rubbed...plus they rust....A rib
really need to be designed just right for a clip to work...
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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