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1. 12:45 AM - Re: q (Larry Bourne)
2. 01:07 AM - Re: Using Velcro (Larry Bourne)
3. 05:41 AM - Re: q (John Hauck)
4. 06:26 AM - Removing Velcro. (Timandjan@aol.com)
5. 07:13 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 03/28/04 (Vic)
6. 07:25 AM - Re: Removing Velcro. (Bob Bean)
7. 08:08 AM - Velcro removal (Charlie & Meredith Blackwell)
8. 08:25 AM - Re: Velcro removal (Guy Morgan)
9. 08:30 AM - Not Receiving (Larry Bourne)
10. 08:48 AM - Velco removal (Terry)
11. 08:52 AM - Re: tubing oil (Bob N.)
12. 09:30 AM - Parachute Rigger (Richard Pike)
13. 09:57 AM - Re: Not Receiving (Christopher Armstrong)
14. 12:21 PM - Test 1 (Larry Bourne)
15. 12:39 PM - Re: Removing Velcro. (Jack & Louise Hart)
16. 01:42 PM - Re: Test 1 (Larry Bourne)
17. 06:30 PM - Re: Test 1 (Richard Pike)
18. 07:16 PM - Kolbra Performance (John Willamson)
19. 07:24 PM - Re: Kolbra Performance (dama)
20. 07:45 PM - Re: Kolbra Performance (John Hauck)
21. 11:42 PM - Re: FireFly Is Ready To Go (GeoR38@aol.com)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
John, I've got an area under the driver's seat of Vamoose that has some
holes drilled for rivets that I plan to replace with clecos for easier
cleaning and maintenance. (fuel pump and filter mounting plate) If I tube
seal those things, will the tube seal leak out past the clecos ?? Might
just be worth cleaning up a little mess from time to time, and re-sealing
them periodically, eh ?? Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: q
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> | Im not recommending this, but anyone with a steel-tube aircraft may
> find it
> Steel tubes rust from the inside out, and this protects them
> worth
>
> Hi Russ/Gang:
>
> I bought a quart of Stitts Tube Seal in 1984 to do my Ultrastar. Then
> I did my FS, and also my MK III. I am a firm believer in tube seal to
> prevent internal corrosion in 4130 tube fuselages. Never had a
> fuselage yet, that came from the welding shop and did not have some
> pin holes, at least, for moisture to invade the inside of those
> unprotected tubes.
>
> Not being able to see the corrosion inside the tubes does not make the
> problem go away.
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| Subject: | Re: Using Velcro |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Try getting it real warm (hot) with a heat gun, Duane. Should peel right
off. Going to "Lost Wages," NV, huh ?? Take lotsa money. :-)
Have you been there before ?? Weather at this time of year is
perfect............you should have a great time. I'm gonna find out
about that "retirement" stuff in about 7 months..........old age is too
valuable to waste with working. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Using Velcro
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
>
> I have been replacing all of the "velcro" on metal wing gap cover of my
FireFly and this is what I have learned so far.
>
> I am now trying to figure out how to get the old "velcro" off of top side
of my wing root. It was Polytaked to the inboard rib and adjacent fabric and
does not want to pull off. If I try to use M.E.K. it will not go through the
velcro's non-porus backing but will dissolve the Poly spray finish and make
a big mess. I may just Polytak the new Velcro onto the old "velcro". 'Open
to suggestions on this item.
>
> 'Hope to get back in the air before we head for Las Vegas next Sunday...
Retirement is great
>
> Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| If I tube seal those things, will the tube seal leak out past the
clecos ?? Might
| just be worth cleaning up a little mess from time to time, and
re-sealing
| them periodically, eh ?? Lar.
Morning Larry/All:
Yes, most definitely, the tube seal will leak/crawl past the clecoes.
That is what makes this stuff work so well. I few CC's in the tube
through an 1/8" hole and it completely coats the inside wall of the
tubing. It also will find any pin hole or other, leaking out a little
to let you know that it has found that hole. Usually seals it up if
it is not too large.
I can show you a lot of places on my airplane where the tube seal has
leaked out a little. It is also a good indicator if there happens to
be a stress crack beneath the paint. Soon it will leak through and
let you know. That is how I discovered stress cracks in my tail post.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Removing Velcro. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
I also am trying to remove the original Velcro, the self stick kind, it's on
very strong. I called Stits and they suggest using their cleaner, C2210
cleaning solvent, Got some but have not tried it more than testing it. Seesm
like anythign strong enough to eat the glue will also eat the polytone.
Anybody else have other hints to remove the old velcro on the fabric wing?
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 03/28/04 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vic" <vicw@vcn.com>
I found genuine industrial strength Velcro at Wal Mart. Don't stick it down
unless you are sure it is where you want it because it is almost impossible
to remove.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Removing Velcro. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
The most useful solvent in my shop is good old lacquer thinner.
Try cutting a towel or similar absorbant material to the same shape
as the velcro, soak it with thinner and position it directly over the
velcro. To retain the thinner in this application cover the whole
thing with a strip of aluminum foil. If the old adhesive has any
live plasticizer in it it may soften enough for you to peel it off.
-give it at least 30 minutes to work. There is a possibility it's
reached the same stage as old duct tape that has been left in
the sun too long and it just plain won't soften, in that case 3M
makes some dandy little abrasive pads for use on the end of
a dremel tool that will, with some patience, remove the velcro.
I used them for removing old gasket material from pump flanges
back in the days when I worked for a living. -BB
Timandjan@aol.com wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
>
>I also am trying to remove the original Velcro, the self stick kind, it's on
>very strong. I called Stits and they suggest using their cleaner, C2210
>cleaning solvent, Got some but have not tried it more than testing it. Seesm
>like anythign strong enough to eat the glue will also eat the polytone.
>
>Anybody else have other hints to remove the old velcro on the fabric wing?
>
>Tim
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie & Meredith Blackwell <wozani@optonline.net>
Duane from Tallahassee;
Those different grades of Velcro make a world of difference. On an auto I
was restoring I ran into similar trouble with a rear battery cover that had the
velcro on the carpet and the metal. I took a grinding/sanding wheel to it,
one of those wheels that look like a black sponge but is for removing paint and
rust. A little gentle grind here and there and the stuff tore up enough that
some acetone soaked in and loosened the rest off. I would be extremely careful
of scratching any structural aluminum though.
Luck to you
Charlie, MKII Twinstar, NJ
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
Did you try heat yet? A good rule to remember when doing any kind of repair/removal
is always use the least destructive method first. In this case I believe
it's heat. In the Navy, the 4790 (aviation maintenance bible)or the corrosion
manaual, I can't remember which, had repair tracks which listed, in order of preferrence,methods
for repair. The AC 43.13 might have something similar. I'd
have to check. You can download it in .PDF format at the FAA web site.
Guy Morgan (galveston, TX Kolber wanna-be)
From: Charlie Meredith Blackwell wozani@optonline.net Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com Subject: Kolb-List: Velcro removal Date:
Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:03:43 -0500 -- Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie Meredith
Blackwell wozani@optonline.net Duane from Tallahassee; Those different
grades of Velcro make a world of difference. On an auto I was restoring I ran
into similar trouble with a rear battery cover that had the velcro on the carpet
and the metal. I took a grinding/sanding wheel to it, one of those wheels
that look like a black sponge but is for removing paint and rust. A little gentle
grind here and there and the stuff tore up enough that some acetone soaked
in and loosened the rest off. I would be extremely careful of scratching any
structural aluminum though. Luck to you Charlie, MKII Twinstar, NJ
<a hr
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Hmmmm...............I'm receiving mail from all you on the Kolb List just fine,
personal mail from all over, and I'm apparently (obviously) sending TO you all
just fine...............so, why in tarnation aren't I receiving the emails I
send TO the Kolb List. Any ideas on this ?? Puzzled Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
Just went through this process with my FireFly a month ago. I tried various products
said to
remove sticky glues, including the new citrus stuff. To my surprise the best remover
was good
ole gas right out of my fuel container. It did a much better job than anything
else and won't
touch the Poly Fiber paints.
Give it a try, soaking with gas seems to work for me,
Terry - FireFly #95
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Ed in JAX mentioned using boiled linseed oil. Yes that's what we used
some 50 yrs ago. But don't just boil up some linseed oil! Boiled linseed
oil comes already boiled--and hdwr/paint store has it. I also use it as
the liquid part of grout for making stained glass windows.
Bob N.
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| Subject: | Parachute Rigger |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Years ago I bought a Second Chantz soft pack ballistic chute just before
they went out of business (Timing is everything) and getting it repacked
has been iffy. Found a rigger in Kentucky that was easy to work with,
reasonable, and very satisfactory. If you have a chute other than a BRS and
need the soft pack redone, here is their web site, ask for Jim Moore.
http://www.parachuteriggers.com/
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
Most likely you have inadvertently put yourself on the do not receive my own
messages option on either matronics your mail server or you email software
on your computer... check them all.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bourne
Subject: Kolb-List: Not Receiving
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Hmmmm...............I'm receiving mail from all you on the Kolb List just
fine, personal mail from all over, and I'm apparently (obviously) sending TO
you all just fine...............so, why in tarnation aren't I receiving the
emails I send TO the Kolb List. Any ideas on this ??
Puzzled Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I think I sorted this out. I know you-all are getting my posts, but I'm not getting
them back. Let's see how this one works out...................
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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| Subject: | Re: Removing Velcro. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 09:25 AM 3/29/04 EST, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
>
>I also am trying to remove the original Velcro, the self stick kind, it's on
>very strong. I called Stits and they suggest using their cleaner, C2210
>cleaning solvent, Got some but have not tried it more than testing it. Seesm
>like anythign strong enough to eat the glue will also eat the polytone.
>
>Anybody else have other hints to remove the old velcro on the fabric wing?
>
>Tim
>
Tim,
I ran my Velcro to the back edge of the wing for the gap seal. Later when I
put on the gap seal, I discovered I needed more underneath the front of the
wing.
The trick is to peel it off much like skinning an animal. Start with a
corner and get a corner free and fold it back over the remaining material
and keep tension on it. I used an old Xacto (sp?) knife with a curved blade
in it to cut through the adhesive. To keep the adhesive from sticking to
the knife, spray it with WD40.
After you get the Velcro off, fold a paper towel over several times and lay
it on the adhesive that remains on the fabric. Saturate the towel with WD40
and let is set for a while. Then dampen another paper towel with WD40 and
gently rub and scrub the adhesive. It will not all come off at one time but
after several iterations you will be able to get most of the adhesive off.
The trick is to do a good job of adhesive skinning as you peel the Velcro.
Kerosene should work just as good as
WD40.
Good Luck
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Yup, you were right...........somehow I put myself on the bad guys list.
All fixed now. Hmmmm..........what's the opposite of narcissism ??
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Test 1
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> I think I sorted this out. I know you-all are getting my posts, but I'm
not getting them back. Let's see how this one works out...................
Lar. Do not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> N78LB Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Larcissism.
You're welcome...<grin>
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 01:41 PM 3/29/04 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
>Yup, you were right...........somehow I put myself on the bad guys list.
>All fixed now. Hmmmm..........what's the opposite of narcissism ??
>Lar. Do not Archive.
>
>Larry Bourne
>Palm Springs, CA
>Building Kolb Mk III
>N78LB Vamoose
>www.gogittum.com
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| Subject: | Kolbra Performance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Willamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Fellow listers,
Good weather finally came to Arlington, TX and I had a chance to insure the
performance of the Kolbra will take me out into the Rocky Mountains this May
and get me over Tennessee Pass at 10,424 ft. msl. I won't have a problem.
Here are sum photos I shot today while out goofing off:
Level at 9,600 ft. msl, 4870 rpm, 80mph.
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/Photos/100_1815.JPG
Passing 15,620 ft. msl, 5160 rpm, 400 fpm climb, 52 mph.
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/Photos/100_1817.JPG
Level at 15,640 ft. msl, 74 mph, 15 degrees F.
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/Photos/100_1819.JPG
A couple shots of my shadow.
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/Photos/100_1831.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/Photos/100_1834.JPG
Comparison of noise level between the Jabiru 2200 and the Rotax 912ULS in
flight. (Quicktime movie viewer required)
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/Photos/100_0317.MOV with Jabiru, 4.86
MB
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/Photos/100_1838.MOV with 912ULS, 1.52
MB
Dallas skyline in the distance, 35nm away.
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/Photos/100_1837.JPG
It was a very good day to fly.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 532 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbra Performance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
John, I found it kind of eerie at ten thousand personally. Went to 51,000'
once in something faster and it was not near as bad as ten in the Firestar.
Phobia out-bringer.
Interesting that your airspeed indicator seems to still be catching a decent
amount of thin air.
Great flying...
Kip
http://www.springeraviation.net/
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Willamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolbra Performance
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Willamson"
<kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> Fellow listers,
>
> Good weather finally came to Arlington, TX and I had a chance to insure
the
> performance of the Kolbra will take me out into the Rocky Mountains this
May
> and get me over Tennessee Pass at 10,424 ft. msl. I won't have a problem.
>
> Here are sum photos I shot today while out goofing off:
>
> Level at 9,600 ft. msl, 4870 rpm, 80mph.
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/Photos/100_1815.JPG
>
> Passing 15,620 ft. msl, 5160 rpm, 400 fpm climb, 52 mph.
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/Photos/100_1817.JPG
>
> Level at 15,640 ft. msl, 74 mph, 15 degrees F.
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/Photos/100_1819.JPG
>
> A couple shots of my shadow.
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/Photos/100_1831.JPG
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/Photos/100_1834.JPG
>
> Comparison of noise level between the Jabiru 2200 and the Rotax 912ULS in
> flight. (Quicktime movie viewer required)
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/Photos/100_0317.MOV with Jabiru, 4.86
> MB
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/Photos/100_1838.MOV with 912ULS, 1.52
> MB
>
> Dallas skyline in the distance, 35nm away.
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/Photos/100_1837.JPG
>
> It was a very good day to fly.
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 532 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbra Performance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi John W/Gang:
Outstanding! Little ole 912ULS is quite an engine. Not bad for a
normally aspirated engine.
Seems like the noise level of the 912ULS is a little less than the
Jabiru, if all your test parameters were equal. The 912ULS and Warp
Drive have a slightly higher pitch.
The skyline of Dallas brings back some memories of 36 years ago. We
did our first long day cross country around the Dallas-Fort Worth
metro complex.
I don't think you will have any problem getting over the Rockies
anywhere you choose.
Take care,
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Is Ready To Go |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 3/25/04 5:59:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, jbhart@ldd.net
writes:
>
> The airport manager came by and told me the story. Two F15s were out and
> about when one had a fire indicator light come on. They were diverted to
> K02. The one with the problem was the first one I heard, and he landed with
>
> out any problem. But the one that I watched was the wing man. They closed
> the airport and the sheriff stayed to keep anyone away from the plane on the
>
> runway because it was armed with missiles. He was going to have to stay
> until the military showed up with security, spares and repair personnel.
>
> While I was in the main office washing up, they called over to see if they
> could get 18,000 pounds of jet fuel, but there was only 1,000 pounds left in
>
> the tank.
>
> Maybe tomorrow the airport will be open again. If you would like to see
> some of the repairs I made, I put up some photos and description
> at:
>
> http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly103.html
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Jackson, MO
>
Great story Jack.....keep em comin
George Randolph
the Villages....firestar driver
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