---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/31/04: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:26 AM - Re: reminder program (ronnie wehba) 2. 07:16 AM - Re: Mark 3 classic vs the xtra (Denny Rowe) 3. 08:14 AM - wing angle (Bob Bean) 4. 08:52 AM - Re: wing angle (ul15rhb@juno.com) 5. 10:33 AM - Re: wing angle () 6. 12:22 PM - Re: wing angle (Christopher Armstrong) 7. 01:30 PM - Re: wing angle (Denny Rowe) 8. 01:56 PM - North East Kolb gathering (Denny Rowe) 9. 02:46 PM - Re: North East Kolb gathering (Thom Riddle) 10. 03:18 PM - Re: North East Kolb gathering (Fackler, Ken) 11. 03:25 PM - Re: North East Kolb gathering (Richard Pike) 12. 03:34 PM - Heat Treated Steel Gear Legs (John Hauck) 13. 03:37 PM - 1999 Kolb MK3 forsale (Aaron Hollingsworth) 14. 04:00 PM - Re: North East Kolb gathering (G. T. Alexander, Jr.) 15. 04:19 PM - Re: Tom Olenik phone number (jerb) 16. 05:28 PM - Re: North East Kolb gathering (Terry) 17. 05:59 PM - Re: Tom Olenik phone number (Olenik Aviation) 18. 07:03 PM - Re: Tom Olenik phone number (Denny Rowe) 19. 07:09 PM - Re: North East Kolb gathering (Denny Rowe) 20. 07:18 PM - Re: North East Kolb gathering (Denny Rowe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:21 AM PST US From: "ronnie wehba" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: reminder program required 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" thanks george, i have not even looked at it yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Bass" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: reminder program > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bass" > > W_A_R_N_I_N_G____: > > Ron; > > I would be very suspect of the link to a free > Date Manager program that you were told > to visit ....... the primary concern is that it is > another part of a T_E_R_R_I_B_L_E kind > of company called GAIN. > > This company is responsible for MANY, > MANY TRACKING PROGRAMS that are > installed into unsuspecting users' machines > when they think all they are doing is getting > a nice little benign tool to assist in their > daily, simple, tasks. It is far more of a > SPYWARE program than anything that you > will benefit from. > > NOT RECOMMENDED. > > George > > > --- > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:32 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark 3 classic vs the xtra --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Pearce" > I recently purchased the wing kit for a Kolb Classic 3 from a fellow worker. As I under stand it I can still buy the classic or the xtra. Rick, Maybe another possibility would be using your wings on a Kolbra fuselage. I think the only differances are the root ribs wing attatch fitting, the angle of the wings strut attatch fitting, and that the Kolbra has flaperons instead of flaps and ailerons. The Kolbra may have more room for larger pilots, and you would have a little faster bird. Since you would be flying solo most of the time I think the inline seating would be a lot more enjoyable. Just a thought. Denny Rowe ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:35 AM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Kolb-List: wing angle --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean Just musing here....The front wing attach ears on my plane are drilled at the lower half . I was wondering if anyone had considered drilling a new hole in the upper half for experimental purposes? If the distances were equal you would still have a symetrical situation. The angle would be less (and guys with short gear might have a problem) but there might be some kind of trade-off in cruise. -yeah, I know, the tail angle would need some reform to compensate but we're trying to entertain an idle mind here. -BB do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:59 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: wing angle From: ul15rhb@juno.com --> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com Bob, I have often times wondered about this. With the wings drilled low on the "ear"(high angle of incidence), I would think this would provide a lot of induced drag and slow the plane down. I see no reason why you couldn't drill higher and lower the angle. This will change the dihedral slightly, not a huge issue. You could gain some speed out of the deal. A friend of mine has a Firestar II/503/enclosed and I can fly faster at the same RPM with my 447/open cockpit. This could be the issue. I never looked into it. Ralph Original Firestar 17 years flying it -- Bob Bean wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean Just musing here....The front wing attach ears on my plane are drilled at the lower half . I was wondering if anyone had considered drilling a new hole in the upper half for experimental purposes? If the distances were equal you would still have a symetrical situation. The angle would be less (and guys with short gear might have a problem) but there might be some kind of trade-off in cruise. -yeah, I know, the tail angle would need some reform to compensate but we're trying to entertain an idle mind here. -BB do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:33:37 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: wing angle --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ralph , I think if you look into the fact of re-drilling the holes in the tabs to change angle of incidence you'll only succeed in changing the relationship between the wings and tail feathers . ( not a good idea ) . The angle of incidence WHILE IN FLIGHT will not change , the only characteristics that will change the angle of attack are : WEIGHT AND AIR SPEED ! ( i.e. drag and lift ) JJP FS II 503 DCDI ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: wing angle > --> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com > > > Bob, > > I have often times wondered about this. With the wings drilled low on the "ear"(high angle of incidence), I would think this would provide a lot of induced drag and slow the plane down. I see no reason why you couldn't drill higher and lower the angle. This will change the dihedral slightly, not a huge issue. You could gain some speed out of the deal. > > A friend of mine has a Firestar II/503/enclosed and I can fly faster at the same RPM with my 447/open cockpit. This could be the issue. I never looked into it. > > Ralph > Original Firestar > 17 years flying it > > -- Bob Bean wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean > > Just musing here....The front wing attach ears on my plane are drilled > at the lower > half . I was wondering if anyone had considered drilling a new hole in the > upper half for experimental purposes? If the distances were equal you would > still have a symetrical situation. The angle would be less (and guys > with short > gear might have a problem) but there might be some kind of trade-off > in cruise. > -yeah, I know, the tail angle would need some reform to compensate but we're > trying to entertain an idle mind here. -BB do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:43 PM PST US From: "Christopher Armstrong" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: wing angle --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" Changing the angle that the wings are mounted to the fuselage is changing the angle of incidence and does not change the angle of attack. Angle of attack is set by the mount of lift that the wing needs to generate in order to support the amount of weight you are carrying. If you want to fly at lower angle of attack you need to go faster or reduce the weight. Lowering the incidence angle sets the minimum drag angle of the plane, more incidence optimizes for lower airspeed. If you reduced the wing incidence you would have to change the landing gear and tail angles as well. Once you have done this the only thing that would change in flight is the drag of the fuselage. The rest of the plane would be flying the same as it was before. Since you can only get a few degrees out of the change you described I don't think you would even be able to tell that you did it. Chris ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:30:43 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: wing angle --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Bean" Subject: Kolb-List: wing angle > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean > > Just musing here....The front wing attach ears on my plane are drilled > at the lower > half . I was wondering if anyone had considered drilling a new hole in the > upper half for experimental purposes? If the distances were equal you would > still have a symetrical situation. The angle would be less (and guys > with short > gear might have a problem) but there might be some kind of trade-off > in cruise. > -yeah, I know, the tail angle would need some reform to compensate but we're > trying to entertain an idle mind here. -BB do not archive > > > Bob, I think this would only make your Mk-3 fly around at a more nose high attitude to get the wings back to the proper flight angle. You would also need to hold back pressure or nose up trim to fight the stabilizers tendancy to lower the nose. As it is now, my Mk-3s nose is already to high for short people to see over the nose cone in level flight, I think your idea would only make this worse. Take Care, Denny ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:56:24 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Kolb-List: North East Kolb gathering --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" Nor Easters, Does anyone have a list of Kolbers who are planning to make the Wellsville Fathers Day fly in and Homers homestead invasion? I'm just curious to know how many of us are trying to make it. Dennis Rowe, Mk-3, PA ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:46:29 PM PST US From: "Thom Riddle" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: North East Kolb gathering --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" I, for one, hope to be there. Thom in Buffalo ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:58 PM PST US From: "Fackler, Ken" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: North East Kolb gathering --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" Never heard of it. Where is it? -Ken Fackler Kolb Mark II / A722KWF Rochester MI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Kolb-List: North East Kolb gathering > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" > > Nor Easters, > Does anyone have a list of Kolbers who are planning to make the Wellsville Fathers Day fly in and Homers homestead invasion? > I'm just curious to know how many of us are trying to make it. > Dennis Rowe, Mk-3, PA > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:31 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: North East Kolb gathering --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Planning that way. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive At 04:55 PM 3/31/04 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" > >Nor Easters, >Does anyone have a list of Kolbers who are planning to make the Wellsville >Fathers Day fly in and Homers homestead invasion? >I'm just curious to know how many of us are trying to make it. >Dennis Rowe, Mk-3, PA > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:53 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Heat Treated Steel Gear Legs --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Hi Gang: Pulled the gear legs off Miss P'fer today. Took them out to the Wetumpka Airport to use my buddy's 20 ton press. Fun having all that power under one hand. Made a couple blocks to hold the legs and one to press on from some 2X4 stud material. Amazing how far 20 tons will compress white pine, or what ever kind of tree they saw those 2X4's. This was the first time I had tried straightening steel legs. It worked great. I sorta snuck up on them, until I got the feel of how far to go beyond straight to get them to hold where I wanted them to. Actually, it took a lot more opposite bend to convince them to straighten up than I thought. Now I have an idea how much load I put on the left leg to get that much bend in it. I think it was the result of several really hard landings. Take care, john h ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:37:51 PM PST US From: "Aaron Hollingsworth" Subject: Kolb-List: 1999 Kolb MK3 forsale --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Aaron Hollingsworth" Hey Everyone. I'm looking to get a 2-4 seat 150-200mph plane in the next couple months and just can't afford two planes... so as much fun as I'm having with my MK3, here goes: 1999 KOLB MARK 3 - N-NUMBER- 73HP ROTAX 618! . AVAILABLE . KOLB Mark 3 Classic Completed 1999. 200Hrs TT Airframe and engine. Rotax 618 73HP. Water Cooled, oil injected DCDI Dual Carb. Engine hauls gross 1000 lb+ load off 7k' foot field, always trouble free. Solo 800-1200fpm, dual 300-700fpm. Cruise 50-85mph, Stall 35-42 (flaps/clean). EIS displays ALT, dual cht, dual egt, VSI, RPM, HOBBS, Flight Time, +more. 'E' Gearbox. WarpDrive. Dual 5 gallon tanks, hookup for 3rd. Hyd. MATCO heel brakes. Dual Controls. As with all KOLBS, Extremely Strong. Worried about moving to a taildragger? There are two local CFIs that I have flown with in this plane, and it took me only a few hours to transition. This is the most gentle tail dragger around. Plane is in great condition. Always hangared. Annual/Compliance done 3/38/04 and passed with flying colors. N-Numbered NX8979 can be transferred or removed for ultralight trainer. All inquiries welcome. On Meadowlake Airport 00V. Asking $15,900 OBO. . aaron@dynamicsdirect.com - located Colorado Springs, CO USA . Telephone: 719-282-3161 . Aaron -- Do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:00:51 PM PST US From: "G. T. Alexander, Jr." Subject: RE: Kolb-List: North East Kolb gathering --> Kolb-List message posted by: "G. T. Alexander, Jr." Dennis: I plan on being there along with possibly one other Firestar (not on the list). George Alexander Original Firestar NJ http://gtalexander.home.att.net DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Denny Rowe Subject: Kolb-List: North East Kolb gathering --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" Nor Easters, Does anyone have a list of Kolbers who are planning to make the Wellsville Fathers Day fly in and Homers homestead invasion? I'm just curious to know how many of us are trying to make it. Dennis Rowe, Mk-3, PA ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:33 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tom Olenik phone number --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Any one notice the new ad for Olenik Aviation in Ultralight Flying magazine. It's great to see Tom being able to take this major step. jerb At 01:29 AM 3/31/04 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" > >Rick, >Sorry I left out Olenik Aviations phone number in my last post. >Its 877-247-6686. > >Denny > >do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:00 PM PST US From: Terry Subject: Re: Kolb-List: North East Kolb gathering --> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry Denny Rowe wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" > > Nor Easters, > Does anyone have a list of Kolbers who are planning to make the Wellsville Fathers Day fly in and Homers homestead invasion? > I'm just curious to know how many of us are trying to make it. > Dennis Rowe, Mk-3, PA > Dennis, Yes I have been keeping a list. So far I have about eighteen people with a couple of maybe's. I was going to wait a little longer and ask for a better count as we near that time. I spoke to the owner of Shreveport North where the Fathers Day fly-in is held and he said all are welcome. Will be getting more info out soon. Hope to meet you there. I assume you saw my earlier post that I had spoken to Homer and we are welcome to drop in at his place to say Hello! Hope this helps, Terry - FireFly #95 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:13 PM PST US From: "Olenik Aviation" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Tom Olenik phone number --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Olenik Aviation" So its out now? I have not seen my copy yet. When did you get yours? I figure it will take a few months before it really makes much difference. Thanks, Tom Olenik Olenik Aviation - Supplying the lighter side of sport aviation. Level III Repair Station for Rotax Aircraft Engines Dealer for Summit Powered Parachutes http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com Toll Free: 877-AIR-MOTORS Buy from a dealer who can support what they sell...... (DO NOT USE THIS E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR DIRECT E-MAIL. WE WILL NEVER SEE IT. USE THE ABOVE CONTACT INFORMATION TO CONTACT US DIRECTLY) -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tom Olenik phone number --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Any one notice the new ad for Olenik Aviation in Ultralight Flying magazine. It's great to see Tom being able to take this major step. jerb At 01:29 AM 3/31/04 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" > >Rick, >Sorry I left out Olenik Aviations phone number in my last post. >Its 877-247-6686. > >Denny > >do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:29 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tom Olenik phone number --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerb" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tom Olenik phone number > --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb > > Any one notice the new ad for Olenik Aviation in Ultralight Flying > magazine. It's great to see Tom being able to take this major step. > jerb Do not archive Jerb, I am EAA not USUA, tell me about the add, I'm curious. Denny ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:37 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: North East Kolb gathering --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fackler, Ken" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: North East Kolb gathering > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" > > Never heard of it. Where is it? > > -Ken Fackler > Kolb Mark II / A722KWF > Rochester MI > > ----- do not archive Ken, Its at South Central PAs Shreveport North airport Fathers Day weekend. (Wellville PA) We are hoping to make the 65 mile trip from there to Homers either Saturday or Sunday to salute the Father of our little planes on Fathers Day weekend. Hope and Pray for good weather. Denny ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:31 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: North East Kolb gathering --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" Terry wrote: > Dennis, > > Yes I have been keeping a list. So far I have about eighteen people with a couple of maybe's. I was going to wait a little > longer and ask for a better count as we near that time. > > I spoke to the owner of Shreveport North where the Fathers Day fly-in is held and he said all are welcome. Will be getting more > info out soon. Hope to meet you there. > > I assume you saw my earlier post that I had spoken to Homer and we are welcome to drop in at his place to say Hello! > > Hope this helps, > > Terry - FireFly #95 > do not archive Terry, Yes I saw your note that Homer said to come on down. I really appreciate that you are acting as our conduit to Shreveport North and Mr Kolb. I also am looking foreward to meeting you and all the other Kolbers and someday Kolbers there, it should be a great time if we get the weather. I hope to fly out that way soon to pre run the trip so as to avoid any unexpected surprises , and also to check out Lurays Slingshot. Has he got that new engine fired up yet or what? The suspense is killing me. :-I I really am hankering to go somewhere in my Kolb, 40hrs is a long time to hang around the same area. Denny Rowe