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1. 04:29 AM - Re: Birthdays (snuffy@usol.com)
2. 06:50 AM - Re: parts (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
3. 07:15 AM - Re: parts (J.D. Stewart)
4. 08:49 AM - Re: Antennas (Larry Bourne)
5. 09:00 AM - Re: Antennas (Larry Bourne)
6. 11:31 AM - Re: parts (John Willamson)
7. 11:38 AM - Re: parts (J.D. Stewart)
8. 11:44 AM - Weight & Balance (Mike Pierzina)
9. 01:01 PM - Re: Weight & Balance (Mike Pierzina)
10. 01:03 PM - Re: Sun-'N-Fun!! (Richard Swiderski)
11. 01:30 PM - Re: Weight & Balance (Johann)
12. 03:38 PM - Re: parts (Paul Petty)
13. 06:25 PM - Re: Antennas (The Kuffels)
14. 07:37 PM - Re: Antennas (Larry Bourne)
15. 07:38 PM - Re: weight & balance (Mike Pierzina)
16. 08:13 PM - Re: parts (jerb)
17. 10:07 PM - Re: Re: FSII sale message of Mon, 5 Apr 2004 23:56:25 -0700 (Larry Bourne)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com
> The only airfield I slept at and didn't meet the owner. Snuff had
> taken off somewhere, chasing women, when I arrived at his airstrip in
> Southern Michigan unannounced last July.
Yup, that and chasing Brook trout up and down the rivers of eastern
Quebec. Now that's some beautiful country! Wish I'd been there at LZ
Skeeter Bottom to pop smoke for the old Hawk for old times sake though.
Actually we did meet once. The year Miss P-fer won Grand Champ at
Oshkosh. You took me up in Fat Albert. Snuf
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Paul Petty wrote: << ... to see if any care to point out any major out of
line prices. Covering (Aircraft tech support) $995.00; Paint (same as above)
$900.00 >>
Paul -
I'm surprised to see the prices of covering supplies have gone up so much.
I also bought all my Stits stuff (covering, paints) from Jim & Dondi in
1999.
For my Mark-3, the covering was $595, and the paints (Poly-Brush,
Poly-Spray, Poly-Tone white, plus two accent colors) was $475. These prices
included shipping. No escape from inflation, I guess.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, Verner
New Mexico
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "J.D. Stewart" <jstewart@inebraska.com>
Not true. I have the ALT/VSI option in my 912S-powered Titan.
J.D. Stewart
UltraFun AirSports (EIS dealer)
http://www.ultrafunairsports.com
FlyChallenger E-mail list and Website Administrator
http://challenger.inebraska.com
TitanAircraft e-mail list
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/
>
> Denny, Paul and all,
>
> The altimeter and vsi option in an EIS is great. Only problem is you can
> only get it in the 2-stroke EIS and not the 4-stroke model.
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 534 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "The Kuffels" <kuffel@cyberport.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Antennas
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: The Kuffels <kuffel@cyberport.net>
>
> Confuzzled,
>
> <<bi-pole (di-pole ??) antenna .. quite a bit shorter than the expected
> 23" .. got a better match on the SWR .. haven't found my SWR meter>>
>
> Bring to Monument Valley a 15 foot hunk of good, new RG-58 cable (any
> Belden 82xx series of RG-59 will be fine, don't get it from Radio
> Shack). I'll bring a BNC connector, crimping tool and noise bridge.
> We'll make a flexible dipole antenna and tune it up on the spot. (At
> least for free space conditions. It will change slightly when installed
> near other metal.) Then you can listen to Boyd and me quibble over why
> my version is better than his.
>
> do not archive
>
> Tom Kuffel, AL7AU
> Whitefish, MT
> Building Original FireStar
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Hmmm...............maybe we'll listen to you & Boyd quibble over why his is
better than yours ?? :-) :-) If worse comes to worst, Tom, I'll do
that, but I really want to have this thing in the air before then, tho'
it'll be nearly impossible to fly off the 40 hrs and bring it with me. You
changed numbers below - do you want RG-58 or RG-59 ?? Or is there a
difference ?? Not my forte. Why not Radio Shack ?? Today's
(my Saturday) project is to tear thru the mountain of red-neck junk on my
porch, throw 2/3 of it away, and find that durned antenna. (and SWR meter)
When I built the antenna, I had it hanging from the drapery rod inside the
window of my metal mobile home, and was trimming bits off it while testing
with the SWR. At one point an incoming Bonanza complained to PSP Approach
that one of his transmissions was blanked by a carrier. ( ! ! ! ! ! ) This
with an ancient Narco handheld. Thanks for the offer............
might just take you up on it. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "The Kuffels" <kuffel@cyberport.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Antennas
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: The Kuffels <kuffel@cyberport.net>
>
> Confuzzled,
>
> <<bi-pole (di-pole ??) antenna .. quite a bit shorter than the expected
> 23" .. got a better match on the SWR .. haven't found my SWR meter>>
>
> Bring to Monument Valley a 15 foot hunk of good, new RG-58 cable (any
> Belden 82xx series of RG-59 will be fine, don't get it from Radio
> Shack). I'll bring a BNC connector, crimping tool and noise bridge.
> We'll make a flexible dipole antenna and tune it up on the spot. (At
> least for free space conditions. It will change slightly when installed
> near other metal.) Then you can listen to Boyd and me quibble over why
> my version is better than his.
>
> do not archive
>
> Tom Kuffel, AL7AU
> Whitefish, MT
> Building Original FireStar
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Willamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Hi J.D.
Are you running the EIS 2002 or EIS 2004 model to get the altimeter and VSI
options?
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 534 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "J.D. Stewart" <jstewart@inebraska.com>
Actually the model 4000, so I can monitor all 4 EGTs. It was kinda overkill
with everything else, but the only way to get the 4 EGTs.
J.D.
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Willamson"
> <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> Hi J.D.
>
> Are you running the EIS 2002 or EIS 2004 model to get the
> altimeter and VSI
> options?
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 534 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
>
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| Subject: | Weight & Balance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hey Guys,
I finally got all the stuff that I need to figure my weight & balance.
I had the plane set up to weigh before I ran my 503 (break-in) but I didn't take
the measurements while the wing was at 9 degrees AOA.
So today I set it back up...
I was just wondering about where my Airplane (empty)
compares with other Firestar II's out there...
It's 389 lbs. no fuel...
I'll bet 30 lbs. of that is the GPL starter & batt.
and it's 653 lbs Plane,Pilot,Full/Fuel
Well, back to crunching those numbers...
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
do not archive
---
My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hey Guys,
After doing the math, It's 33% CG empty fuel,
and 35.93% CG full fuel...
I've still got GPS & Radio to put in front...and probly a transponder & blind
encoder.
Is the CG about average ? I can fudge things alittle. Or should I get away
from the aft CG more...
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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SNOW today ???
---
My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@rocketjet.net>
Kolbers,
Just a reminder, the Great Kolb Hanger Flying GetToGether will take
place at dusk on Friday during Sun & Fun. George Randolph & I will be
hosting at my trailer in the UL trailer parking lot immediately south of UL
camping. A map will be posted at the Kolb booth. It's a white tandem
trailer with green trim & a burgundy RV awning. All are welcome. Bring a
chair if you can. We'll be there Wed - Sat if anyone needs a place to get a
drink & rest in the shade, come by anytime & make yourself at home weather
we are there or not.
UltraStar Owners: I have a set of bungy gear mechanisms to convert
your rigid gear into a cadilac ride. $40 takes them.
Also there are two 15 gal., 7.1 lb, cylindrical plastic auxiliary
transluscent fuel tanks free for the asking. Fits a SS or FS back seat
great, or would make a nice portable refueling station.
Don & Paul, I'm working on those pictures. ...Richard Swiderski
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sun-'N-Fun!!
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Jim and Dondi:
Someone will let you know for sure when we are going to get together.
I think it is Fri or Sat night at Richard Swiderski's trailer in the
UL camp ground, but I could be mistaken. If I am, Richard can
straighten me out.
I will be flying down and camping with my airplane in the UL aircraft
parking/under the wing camping area.
Ya'll come see me if you get a chance.
I'll be looking for you all when I get there.
john h
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| Subject: | Weight & Balance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
Hello Mike and list members.
My Firestar II with 503, VLS chute and no starter weighs 375 lbs.
Regards,
Johann G.
Iceland.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Pierzina
Subject: Kolb-List: Weight & Balance
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hey Guys,
I finally got all the stuff that I need to figure my weight &
balance. I had the plane set up to weigh before I ran my 503 (break-in) but
I didn't take the measurements while the wing was at 9 degrees AOA.
So today I set it back up...
I was just wondering about where my Airplane (empty)
compares with other Firestar II's out there...
It's 389 lbs. no fuel...
I'll bet 30 lbs. of that is the GPL starter & batt.
and it's 653 lbs Plane,Pilot,Full/Fuel
Well, back to crunching those numbers...
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
do not archive
---
My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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required 4.6, BAYES_00 -4.90)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
James,
Allready have all of that except for the battery. Do these airplanes require
a special battery?
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
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----- Original Message -----
From: "James and Cathy Tripp" <jtripp@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: parts
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp"
<jtripp@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Paul,
> That's a lot of money. I don't feel so bad now about the $23,000 I've
spent
> on my FireStar. How about a battery, headsets, antenna, hobbs, ignition
> switch, turn and slip indicator, toggle switches, and a GPS? That's about
> all I can think of right now. The list seems to never end.
>
> James Tripp, FSII, Final Assembly
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: parts
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
> >
> > Hey Guys,
> > I made a list of things I still have to purchase for my Kolbra.Thought I
> would throw it out here to see if any care to point out any major out of
> line prices. Either way to much or not enough. Also totaled up what I have
> spent so far. Wish I hadn't done that, but here it is for your amusement.
> >
> > Finishing List
> >
> > Covering (Aircraft tech support) $995.00
> > Paint (same as above) $900.00
> > Engine kit (Kolb Includes exhaust) $2000.00
> > Prop extension $295.00
> > Fuel cell $500.00 estimated
> > Radio (micro air)$699.00
> > Transponder(microiar)$1200.00
> > ELT (A/S) $250.00
> > Altimeter(Kolb) $215.00
> > ASI (A/S) $135.00
> > VSI (A/S) $201.00
> > EIS (Kolb) $510.00
> > Hot box (Kolb) $225.00
> > Strobes (Kolb) $238.00
> > Seats (Kolb) $225.00 + 30.00 ea for logo (if I go this route)
> > BRS (Kolb) $2500.00
> > Intercom (A/S) $200.00
> >
> > Sub Total $11288.00
> > Kit 1 $4200.00
> > Kit 2 $7700.00 (includes extra parts for flaps
less
> wheels and gas tanks)
> > Engine $6800.00 (used 912UL 50 hrs)
> > Prop $600.00(used warp a billzillon hours)
> > Wheels $1000.00 (includes tires,tubes,brakes,wheels
and
> axles)
> > Grand total $31588.00 (if I go with all the above and god
knows
> what else)
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: The Kuffels <kuffel@cyberport.net>
Big Lar,
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<>
Pardon my skepticism? You are the closest on the list to being as slow
a "builder" as myself.
<<nearly impossible to fly off the 40 hrs and bring it with me>>
Won't need the airplane to get pretty darn close.
<<changed numbers below - do you want RG-58 or RG-59>>
Oops. Slip of the finger. You want RG-58 (50 ohms nominal impedance)
not, repeat not, RG-59 (75 ohms nominal).
<<Why not Radio Shack ??>>
Same reason you don't buy your lift strut bolts from the local hardware
store. It's just not aircraft quality and won't last as long.
<<red-neck junk on my porch, throw 2/3 of it away>>
When you are done could you come over here and get to work on my
basement/office?
<<SWR meter .. hanging from the drapery rod inside the window of my
metal mobile home, and was trimming bits off it while testing
with the SWR. At one point an incoming Bonanza complained to PSP
Approach that one of his transmissions was blanked by a carrier>>
There are several problems with this approach:
1) That much metal sheeting so close is bound to adversely affect
antenna tuning.
2) Most SWR meters are not very accurate at 118-136 MHz, particularly
the kind you buy at Radio Shack.
3) SWR meters require power to be sent to the antenna by a transmitter.
It's never happened for your situation but what you did (transmit
without a license and interfere with air traffic communications, however
unintended) technically is a violation of the law and was subject to a
$10,000 fine per day. A noise bridge, by comparison, measures antenna
parameters by receiving not transmitting and gives you better data, both
resistance and reactance not just ratio of reflected power.
See ya next month.
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
Building Original FireStar
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
OK, RG-58 it'll be. Sure would like to find that box with the antenna and
meter in it, tho'. The meter is a 2 needle thing from a ham radio store
that they said would work fine on my frequencies, and it does seem to.
Erich Weaver borrowed it to tune his dipole, and talks like crazy on it. Be
interesting to see how it stacks up with yours. There's some other stuff for
the plane in that box, too. Gotta be here somewhere............jest not
lookin' under the right rock. Actually, I'm not real interested in
transmitting - or, especially, receiving - 100 miles or more. It'd drive me
nuts in the SoCal environment. Bad enuf now. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "The Kuffels" <kuffel@cyberport.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Antennas
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: The Kuffels <kuffel@cyberport.net>
>
> Big Lar,
>
> do not archive
>
> <>
>
> Pardon my skepticism? You are the closest on the list to being as slow
> a "builder" as myself.
>
> <<nearly impossible to fly off the 40 hrs and bring it with me>>
>
> Won't need the airplane to get pretty darn close.
>
> <<changed numbers below - do you want RG-58 or RG-59>>
>
> Oops. Slip of the finger. You want RG-58 (50 ohms nominal impedance)
> not, repeat not, RG-59 (75 ohms nominal).
>
> <<Why not Radio Shack ??>>
>
> Same reason you don't buy your lift strut bolts from the local hardware
> store. It's just not aircraft quality and won't last as long.
>
> <<red-neck junk on my porch, throw 2/3 of it away>>
>
> When you are done could you come over here and get to work on my
> basement/office?
>
> <<SWR meter .. hanging from the drapery rod inside the window of my
> metal mobile home, and was trimming bits off it while testing
> with the SWR. At one point an incoming Bonanza complained to PSP
> Approach that one of his transmissions was blanked by a carrier>>
>
> There are several problems with this approach:
>
> 1) That much metal sheeting so close is bound to adversely affect
> antenna tuning.
>
> 2) Most SWR meters are not very accurate at 118-136 MHz, particularly
> the kind you buy at Radio Shack.
>
> 3) SWR meters require power to be sent to the antenna by a transmitter.
> It's never happened for your situation but what you did (transmit
> without a license and interfere with air traffic communications, however
> unintended) technically is a violation of the law and was subject to a
> $10,000 fine per day. A noise bridge, by comparison, measures antenna
> parameters by receiving not transmitting and gives you better data, both
> resistance and reactance not just ratio of reflected power.
>
> See ya next month.
>
> Tom Kuffel
> Whitefish, MT
> Building Original FireStar
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: weight & balance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Thanks Johann,
That's good to hear... I'm suprised their so close, my battery alone
weighs 17 lbs.
Well, my weight and balance checks out OK...
I figured it BOTH ways...with everything added up seperate I got...32.2% empty...34%
full fuel...
Checking it the other way...Pilot & Fuel weighed with the airplane , I got 32%
empty , 35.08 full fuel.
I'd say on average...It's good to go...
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
My Firestar II with 503, VLS chute and no starter weighs 375 lbs.
Regards,
Johann G.
Iceland.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Paul,
Adds up doesn't it - its hard to believe we have $14K in our FireFly.
What kind of brakes and wheels are you considering?
jerb
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| Subject: | Re: FSII sale message of Mon, 5 Apr 2004 23:56:25 |
-0700
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Just one day, and we have identification. Don Reese identified the top
butterfly as a "Tiger Swallowtail," sometimes called a "Yellow Swallowtail,"
and the 2nd one as a (ahem) "Great Spangled Fritillary." No kidding. Sorry
to hesitate on your word, Don, but I hadta check on the web, and you're
absolutely right. Thanks very much...........and I've already up-dated that
page. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FSII sale message of Mon, 5 Apr 2004
23:56:25 -0700
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Yah, it IS nice, Mike, I remember looking at it last summer. One of the
> nicest jobs I've seen, but what made the decision to sell it ?? Thought
you
> were going to fly out of your neighbor's strip ?? Folks, you
oughta
> see Mike & Dixie's magnificent place - back there in the rugged West
> Virginia hills. Built the whole thing themselves, too. Almost enuf to
make
> me leave the Best Coast. :-) BTW, Mike, I've sold 2 - 13x19's of
> that butterfly pic I took at your place, and 1 of the orange butterfly.
> Take a look at them at:
>
> http://www.tempics.homestead.com/butterflies.html
> Lar.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> N78LB Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike and Dixie Shackelford" <dixieshack@webtv.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: FSII sale message of Mon, 5 Apr 2004
23:56:25 -0700
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie
> Shackelford)
> >
> > Anyone in the market for a FSII, 503 DCDI, BRS (750 cannister), EIS, 68"
> > 3-blade ground adjustable Powerfin, C box w/3.47 gears, heel brakes,
> > short windshield, polished gear legs and aluminum aerodynamic lift
> > struts, powder coated fuse, Glacier white trimmed in Christen Eagle blue
> > polytone, with three cross-coats of silver. Less than 3 hrs TTAE. 1997
> > model kit from the Old Kolb. Finished in '02. Complete builders log with
> > pics. Not registered. Comes with its own 24' enclosed trailer built for
> > the FS, with tandem torsion axles and electric brakes. Priced 'way
> > below component prices at $17,000 for all. (firm) It's NICE!
> > Contact me off-list for details
> >
> > Hillbilly Mike in WV
> > do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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