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1. 06:13 AM - Sun and Fun 2004 (John Hauck)
2. 08:25 AM - Re: Sun and Fun 2004 (John Willamson)
3. 08:33 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 33 Msgs - 11/23/03 (rwash)
4. 08:55 AM - sail repair tape (Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com)
5. 11:32 AM - Re: Sail repair tape (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
6. 11:47 AM - Measurement (Paul Petty)
7. 12:50 PM - Re: Measurement (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
8. 01:16 PM - Re: Measurement (Richard Pike)
9. 01:34 PM - Re: Measurement (John Hauck)
10. 02:07 PM - thanks (Paul Petty)
11. 05:35 PM - Wing Fold "Pins" (Mike Pierzina)
12. 07:24 PM - Re: Wing Fold "Pins" (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
13. 08:26 PM - Re: Sun and Fun 2004 (Bob N.)
14. 08:52 PM - Re: Sun and Fun 2004 (John Hauck)
15. 08:55 PM - (c.f.white@att.net)
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| Subject: | Sun and Fun 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Morning Gang:
Returned to Gantt International Airport yesterday afternoon after an
interesting flight from Lakeland, Florida.
Was blessed with perfect flying weather. Winds were in my favor.
After topping off with fuel, we pushed Miss P'fer from the Kolb
display area out to the gate so I could crank and taxi back to the
Ultralight Aircraft Park/Camp where I had my tent. Got in the MKIII,
reached for the master switch and it was already on. Some time after
I had left for the night, the master had been pushed up into the on
position. The four year old ATP battery was dead as a door nail.
Vernon Peckam, the "mouth" of Paradise City, had one of those neat
little start boxes which barely turned over the 912S, but to my
surprise, started the 912S. I had to shut down to load the aircraft
and go through the same drill once again. Shortly after takeoff, the
regulator/rectifier dropped the alternator and I was entirely without
electrical power. Once this happens with a completely dead battery,
the alternator will not come back on line until it is fed enough DC
voltage to get back on line again.
This is what it looks like when my MKIII loses all DC power:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Sun%20and%20Fun%202004/DSCF0063_resize.JPG
Top row of gauges, left to right, are lost:
1. Hour meter
2. Volt Meter
3. CHT
4. Oil Temp
5. Oil Press
6. Clock
Second row of gauges lost:
1. Tachometer
Notice, all the switches on the bottom right are in the off position.
The intercom was lost. I use this, when solo, primarily for "side
tone" for the little ICOM handheld. No problem here.
The ICOM was operated off its own battery.
The GPS operated on its own batteries, 4 AA's.
I also lost my fuel boost pump, nav/strobe lights, and landing light.
Seems I am always learning new things, and this flight taught me a few
things. The four rechargeable AA batteries in the Fuji digital camera
I recently purchased, readily replace the four AA batteries in the
GPS. However, I did not have to replace the GPS batteries during the
flight.
My other primary problem was fuel. I would have to take on 5 gals of
fuel before I landed at Gantt IAP. I would have to land somewhere
where I could get a jump start if I shut down the engine. I decided
to land at Headland, Alabama. There was no one on the field, but they
had an automated fuel pump. I was in luck. I made my first "hot
refuel" since VN in 1970.
When I landed at Gantt IAP, I still had that 5 gal of 100LL I took on
at Headland, or did I have all of it. It was so close, I do not know.
I am glad I was able to refuel though.
I cranked the 912S at Lakeland and shut it down at home. She ran like
always. Thank God I did not lose it during the time she was idling
while refueling.
This pic was just SW of Cross City Airport, Florida.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Sun%20and%20Fun%202004/DSCF0060_resize.JPG
The rest of my pics are at:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Sun%20and%20Fun%202004/
Without instruments, we still had a good flight.
Flight from Lakeland to home:
428.1 sm
87.6 mph average speed
107.6 mph max speed
0.6 hours stopped time
4.8 hours flight time
4.7 gph (Fuel burn was reduced by the 0.6 hour idling time.)
Had a good time at Lakeland. One of the best out of the 21
consecutive times I have been down there.
Met some fine folks from all over the US and the rest of the World.
Renewed aquaintences with others. We are mighty lucky people, in the
US, to be able to enjoy our freedom of flight as we now have it. I am
forever grateful.
I'll try to put some captions with some of the other pics I took at
S&F when time allows.
Take care,
john h
PS: I think this one may need to go into the archives. Although not
recommended, it does illustrate that one can still fly a 912S powered
MKIII on a semi-long cross country flight with relative safety.
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| Subject: | Sun and Fun 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Willamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Welcome Back John H.
There was a large fire near Cross City on Saturday afternoon also.
Great photos!
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 559 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 33 Msgs - 11/23/03 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "rwash" <rwash@copper.net>
Hello List,
Due to my husband's passing, I'm offering his KXP Firestar for sale. It
has a loaded
panel with a 503 DCDI, brakes, partial enclosed, electric start, electric
trim, wingtip & belly strobes [wingtip double flash], chute, 113 TT, always
hangered, pristine condition, yellow & maroon. Asking 10,900. If interested
I will email you pictures. He built this plane over a 2 1/2 yr period with
extra care & using all butted joints with gussets. Located in North Central
Ohio.
Sharon Washburn
rwash@copper.net
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| Subject: | sail repair tape |
04/20/2004 11:51:15 AM
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
My original gap seals came unglued in some places and I have progressively
replaced it with the sail repair tape. Very easy and effective - also good
for immediate field repair of puncture wounds - like when I folded a wing
back against a prop blade. The down side is that dirt and scum stick to
the edge of the tape making it more noticeable. This is really not much of
a factor in the hard to see gap seal areas, but it is more apparent on
other repair areas.
regards,
Erich Weaver
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| Subject: | Re: Sail repair tape |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
<< Has anyone else out there tried this stuff? >>
Duane, and All,
This topic was discussed a few years ago, and the consensus then was: Sail
repair tap is an excellent choice for gap seals, for all the reasons you
stated (flexible, durable, easy to replace). I wonder if 2-inch wide tape
is sufficient, though - I used 3-inch wide bookbinding tape, and it seemed
barely wide enough to do the job. Let us know how it works out ...
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, Verner-1400
Cedar Crest, NM
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
Can anyone give me the width of the aileron at the wing tip on a Mark 3 classic?
thanks
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Paul,
Mine is thirteen inches at the tip.
AzDave
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Measurement
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
>
> Kolbers,
> Can anyone give me the width of the aileron at the wing tip on a Mark 3
classic?
>
> thanks
>
> Paul Petty
> Building Ms. Dixie
> Kolbra/912UL/Warp
> www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
According to my somewhat faded plans, 12 3/4"
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 01:44 PM 4/20/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
>
>Kolbers,
>Can anyone give me the width of the aileron at the wing tip on a Mark 3
>classic?
>
>thanks
>
>Paul Petty
>Building Ms. Dixie
>Kolbra/912UL/Warp
>www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
>
>do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
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| AzDave
AZDave/Ya'll:
Mine's around 10", but I have trouble following instructions. I could
probably have gotten away with 8 or 9" at the outboard cord, but the
decision to reduce the cord of the aileron was experimental, and I did
not know how narrow was going to be too narrow.
I had a good feeling, after flying the factory MKIII for a while, that
there was a lot more cord than I needed. Emphasis on "I". So far I
have never hit the stop with aileron control in some lousy conditions.
What I did was, lay the aileron and flap plans out on my work bench in
the standard dimensions. Then chopped 3 or so inches off the outboard
cord. Popped a chalk line from that point to the widest point of the
flap on the inboard end. This way I cut the maximum cord off the
aileron and the minimum off the flap. I did not want to degrade the
performance of the flaps by making them smaller.
I emphasize, I did this for my experience and requirements and no one
else's. I also do not advise anyone else to make these changes,
although I have thoroughly enjoyed them for the last 1,982.6 hours.
I must say that I have hit the aileron stops on the Fire Fly landing
at the Sun and Fun Ultralight Airstrip a few years ago in some
seriously turbulent air.
BTW: The factory Fire Fly, stars and bars, sold to a 92 year old
younster. I had the opportunity to spend some quality time with this
gentleman with an abundance of knowledge and experience. He was a
class act.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Thanks guys
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
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| Subject: | Wing Fold "Pins" |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hey Guys, Do Not Archive
When I drilled the holes in my "wing fold tubes" , I drilled them Vertical
instead of what the plans called for...I tried those "clips" that are supposed
to be used, but they were too difficult to put on ,without laying on the
ground...
So, I made a pin of my own design...
it's a long nail (rounded) that goes through a piece of 5/16 alum tubing , with
silicone in the tube to secure the nail more... I hold the alum tube while I'm
at the back of the plane...reach in a stab the nail in the holes in the wing
fold tubes....
I thought about this having the chance of "climbing" out of the tube
while bouncing down the road... So , I also made a spring loaded "Keeper"
I won't bore you all with the pictures, but if your interested , I took
4 pictures of the assy. and application that I can send to whoever is interested...
or just curious...
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Fold "Pins" |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Mike,
I did about the same thing. I used a dowell (#3/4") with a real stiff
wire in the end. My "Keeper" is a small bungee at the other end that hooks
forward, therefore keeping the pin pulled in to the wing fold tube. Works
real well.
AzDave
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Wing Fold "Pins"
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
>
> Hey Guys, Do Not Archive
>
> When I drilled the holes in my "wing fold tubes" , I drilled them
Vertical instead of what the plans called for...I tried those "clips" that
are supposed to be used, but they were too difficult to put on ,without
laying on the ground...
> So, I made a pin of my own design...
> it's a long nail (rounded) that goes through a piece of 5/16 alum tubing
while I'm at the back of the plane...reach in a stab the nail in the holes
in the wing fold tubes....
> I thought about this having the chance of "climbing" out of the
tube while bouncing down the road... So , I also made a spring loaded
"Keeper"
> I won't bore you all with the pictures, but if your interested ,
I took 4 pictures of the assy. and application that I can send to whoever is
interested... or just curious...
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Friend John H.
I wuz lookin' at your dash board, and mosta them clocks seem to say
Snooze. You needed an Emerg Pwr Source like I wrote abt in Aviation
Digest. Here's my Shade Tree Mechanic column from 6/01:
The Shade Tree Mechanic
Several years ago in the old AvDigest I wrote about an IFR life-saver.
No, thats probably not quite right. What I aimed to say was that this
thing might give you a better chance of getting on the sod gracefully
after experiencing complete electrical failure, IFR or VFR.
This thing was, and still is, a small, portable battery pack.
Typically it has a 12v 7-8ah gel cell battery, charger, meter, outlets,
and convenient handle. Since writing then, these battery packs have
become quite popular as emergency car-starters, sources of current for
portable TVs and entertainment gear. Some have a built-in bright light.
The auto versions have two heavy duty cables with battery clips. And
all have a couple of outlets--like cigar lighter receptacles--to accept
plugs to drive various loads.
These packs might start a small aircraft engine, in the summer, but the
main use, as I see it, is to have a portable source of 12v dc handy. One
easy use is to power a handheld radio or a GPS while in a motel. Get the
weather, program the GPS, without eating expensive batteries.
Back to the start of this; the pack can be carried in the plane with
you, to power a handheld radio or GPS-- and could, with minor
modification, power some aircraft loads. In a former life, when the
Friendlies thought(?) I was strong of heart and mind, I experimented
with my 172 (and later, 177) by simulating alt/batt failure. Switched
master off, both alt and batt in the 177, plugged the 12v from the
portable pack into the cigar lighter receptacle. Turned off all loads
except No.1 radio and LORAN (yes, kiddies). Worked very well.When in
dire straits, do dire stuff.
Anyhow, these inexpensive packs can be very useful around the house,
car, hangar, even the airplane. Beware, though, that there are versions
of this pack that can cost up to $500 vs. $50 for ones that dont say Airplane.
I wrote something for the Cardinal Club Newsletter, but can't find it.
Anyhow these battery gizmos are cheap, and not too heavy. And don't
forget using an out-of-date ELT battpack--the 12V type. They have plenty
of stutch even when outa date, and are FREE.
Bob N.
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| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Bob:
Thanks for the info. I used one of these power packs to start in
Lakeland. I started to ask Vernon Peckam is I could take it with me
and mail it back when I got home, but decided against it. Would have
simplified refueling and possibly got the alternator to come back on
line to start working on the dead battery.
Live and learn, hopefully. Was not too much of a problem during
daylight hours, but a "really" dark night would have been quite
unpleasant. One reason I do not fly for fun at night any more in a
single, less than IFR, engine aircraft.
Good night!
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: c.f.white@att.net
I bought some Dacron Sail Repair tape at the California Power Systems display at
Lakeland. It is 2 inches wide, has a rip stop reinforcement and is translucent.
It is very thin but I could not tear it by hand. It was ~$6 for 50 feet. I
tried a test strip on my refrigerator door (non-porous, irregular surface) for
about 24 hrs. It bonded very well. I plan to use it for my wing gap seals.
Has anyone else out there tried this stuff?
Duane, I tried that same tape last year... thought it would be great - even painted
it the same color as my wings. Unfortunately, the problem with it is the
adhesive. It does not stand up to summer heat... get's soft and does not hold.
Sorry, but I thought it would be great for wing gap seals too. Finally had to
put that clear 3-M book-binders tape over it to keep it attached.
--
Charles White
1200 Big Lodge Rd.
Rollins, MT 59931
MK-3/912 N970CW
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