Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:32 AM - Re: Tortoises (Dave Rains)
2. 06:07 AM - Mark III For Sale (Doug Lawton)
3. 06:27 AM - Carb boots and Ivo prop question (Timandjan@aol.com)
4. 06:47 AM - Re: tire question (David & Maria Lumgair)
5. 07:07 AM - Re: Carb boots and Ivo prop question (John Hauck)
6. 07:48 AM - Re: Tortoises (Larry Bourne)
7. 09:29 AM - Re: : Ivo prop question (Richard Pike)
8. 09:52 AM - Re: Carb boots and Ivo prop question (Bob N.)
9. 11:19 AM - Ultrastar for sale (Bruce L Borg)
10. 11:23 AM - Re: : Ivo prop question (G. Thompson)
11. 11:45 AM - Kiev Hotprop. (Johann)
12. 12:03 PM - Re: : Ivo prop question (ul15rhb@juno.com)
13. 02:39 PM - firestar ll (curtis groote)
14. 02:40 PM - Re: Tortoises (jerb)
15. 02:52 PM - Re: : Ivo prop question (jerb)
16. 02:58 PM - Re: : Ivo prop question (jerb)
17. 04:29 PM - Re: Kiev Hotprop. (John Cooley)
18. 05:18 PM - Re: Tortoises (Larry Bourne)
19. 06:32 PM - Re: : Ivo prop question (Bob Bean)
20. 08:18 PM - Re: Tortoises (woody)
21. 08:28 PM - Re: : Ivo prop question (Christopher Armstrong)
22. 08:36 PM - Re: Tortoises (Larry Bourne)
23. 10:38 PM - Re: : Ivo prop question (DAquaNut@aol.com)
24. 10:39 PM - Re: Tortoises (George Bass)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains <rr@htg.net>
Really nice photos of the tortoise. Would make a nice tail flash for Vamoose.
Dave Rains
Monument Valley or Bust
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Bourne [SMTP:biglar@gogittum.com]
Subject: Kolb-List: Tortoises
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Do not Archive. Not Kolb Related.
Another installment in my weekend travels............if you're interested in the
Desert Tortoise, take a look at:
http://www.webpictures.homestead.com/travelling.html
and click on "Desert Tortoises." I hope you enjoy. Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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| Subject: | Mark III For Sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
Herb,
Have you any photos of the plane? Any damage history? Logbooks? Are you
willing to take anything in trade?
I have nice buildable residential land in Brookesville, FL available.
Thanks in advance,
Doug Lawton
NE Georgia & Whitwell TN
Mathews Field
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| Subject: | Carb boots and Ivo prop question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
Thought I sent this a week ago but I guess it did not go through.
I am replacing the rubber carb boots between the carbs and the intake
maniflds on my 503. I read somewhere that they should be cleaned first and leaf
or
someone at Sun in Fun where I got them said to coat them with lithium grease. I
thought they should be cleaned to remove any grease so this contradicts what I
thought to be correct. What is everyone else doing with these. I am mostly
concerned with longitivity and to make sure they don't slip because of the
grease. Added grip.
Also, just out of curiosity, I have always used a jamb nut on the back of my
prop bolts as a safety. I ordered new prop bolts from Ivo just to change them
out and they said not to use jamb nuts. They are religious about the 200inch
pound torque's that should be checked every 10 hours and are afraid the jamb
nuts will keep you from doing that and are afraid that they will be overtightned
increasing the 200inch pound setting. I have always barely snugged them and
used them just as a safety. The factory Kolbs have always had them as well.
Thanks for the input.
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: tire question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David & Maria Lumgair" <dlummy@visi.net>
> The dot or dots are put on the tire at the lightest point on the
> circumfrence of the tire's bead... Rotate the tire so the dot aligns with
> the valve stem...
Absolutely correct except they are at the heaviest "side" of the tire.
Usually the rim is a few oz lighter where the stem hole is.
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| Subject: | Re: Carb boots and Ivo prop question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
intake
| maniflds on my 503. I read somewhere that they should be cleaned
first and leaf or
| someone at Sun in Fun where I got them said to coat them with
lithium grease.
Hi Tim/Gang:
Clean the inside, contact area, then mount carb. The lithium grease
goes on the outside to keep the rubber pliable and prevent cracking.
No grease on inside!!!
| They are religious about the 200inch
| pound torque's that should be checked every 10 hours and are afraid
the jamb
| nuts will keep you from doing that and are afraid that they will be
overtightned
| increasing the 200inch pound setting.
I be the first to admit I do not know anything about IVO props. I fly
with them when I fly factory aircraft, but the Kolb guys maintain the
prop. However, a requirement to check torque of prop bolts every 10
hours indicates to me that IVO has a problem with this model prop.
For some of us, this would mean retorque prop bolts every day or so
while on a cross country flight. Again, I qualify myself as not
knowing anything about the prop. This is my opinion only.
For those interested. Warp Drive props I use are torqued during
installation. I have flown as much as 450 hours without ever
retorqueing prop bolts.
That did not help you with your question on using double nuts to lock
the prop bolts.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Harrrr...........I can imagine the comments THAT would get. :-)
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Rains" <rr@htg.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Tortoises
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains <rr@htg.net>
>
> Really nice photos of the tortoise. Would make a nice tail flash for
Vamoose.
> Dave Rains
> Monument Valley or Bust
> do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Bourne [SMTP:biglar@gogittum.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 11:55 PM
> To: Kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Tortoises
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Do not Archive. Not Kolb Related.
>
> Another installment in my weekend travels............if you're interested
in the Desert Tortoise, take a look at:
>
> http://www.webpictures.homestead.com/travelling.html
>
> and click on "Desert Tortoises." I hope you enjoy. Lar.
Do not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> N78LB Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
I use fiber lock nut/jamb nuts on the back of my Ivo and only check them
once a year during the annual. The prop is always still at 200 inch pounds.
Never had a problem. But what do I know? Stick with the Ivo recommendations...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 09:27 AM 4/28/04 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
><snip>
>
>Also, just out of curiosity, I have always used a jamb nut on the back of my
>prop bolts as a safety. I ordered new prop bolts from Ivo just to change them
>out and they said not to use jamb nuts. They are religious about the 200inch
>pound torque's that should be checked every 10 hours and are afraid the jamb
>nuts will keep you from doing that and are afraid that they will be
>overtightned
>increasing the 200inch pound setting. I have always barely snugged them and
>used them just as a safety. The factory Kolbs have always had them as well.
>
>Thanks for the input.
>
>Tim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Carb boots and Ivo prop question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Re: prop bolts. I recently posted a msg wherein I recounted some
"advice" from what I called a "safety inspector" at a fly-in. He said I
should put nuts on my IVO prop bolts. Prop/hub came on factory FF from
Old Kolb...without the nuts.
Bob N.
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| Subject: | Ultrastar for sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bruce L Borg <blborg@juno.com>
Listers:
Have Ultrastar for sale. Details and pictures on Barnstormers.
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "G. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
For what it is worth, I have used IVO props on both of my Kolbs. I too did
not use lock nuts behind the prop UNTIL, on one of my preflights while on a
long cross country, I discovered one of the bolts had worked out about a
quarter inch. I went right down to the auto parts store and bought a set of
"Pal" nuts. These are pressed steel nuts that used to be on con- rod bolts
on some cars.(before inserts). I put them on just for safety and never had
another problem.
George, The Bald Eagle of Arizona
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> I use fiber lock nut/jamb nuts on the back of my Ivo and only check them
> once a year during the annual. The prop is always still at 200 inch
pounds.
> Never had a problem. But what do I know? Stick with the Ivo
recommendations...
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> At 09:27 AM 4/28/04 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
> ><snip>
> >
> >Also, just out of curiosity, I have always used a jamb nut on the back of
my
> >prop bolts as a safety. I ordered new prop bolts from Ivo just to change
them
> >out and they said not to use jamb nuts. They are religious about the
200inch
> >pound torque's that should be checked every 10 hours and are afraid the
jamb
> >nuts will keep you from doing that and are afraid that they will be
> >overtightned
> >increasing the 200inch pound setting. I have always barely snugged them
and
> >used them just as a safety. The factory Kolbs have always had them as
well.
> >
> >Thanks for the input.
> >
> >Tim
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
Hi list members.
Anyone used a Hotprop from Kiev on a Kolb? Would be very interested to know
any pros and cons on that prop, comared to the most used Ivo and Warp props.
Best regards.
Johann from Iceland.
Firestar II.
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com
I use stopnuts (nylock) on the back of the prop hub with an Ivo. The prop has been
on there for 450 hours without any problem. I check the tightness every year.
Do not use stop nuts on a wooden prop as the wood compresses and loosens up the
prop bolts. Stop nuts wouldn't do any good. I had to check the prop bolts often
with the wooden prop.
Composite props, Ivo or Warp, are the only props that should be used on a pusher.
Ralph
Original Firestar
17 years flying it
Rotax 447/Ivo 2-blade
-- "G. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "G. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
For what it is worth, I have used IVO props on both of my Kolbs. I too did
not use lock nuts behind the prop UNTIL, on one of my preflights while on a
long cross country, I discovered one of the bolts had worked out about a
quarter inch. I went right down to the auto parts store and bought a set of
"Pal" nuts. These are pressed steel nuts that used to be on con- rod bolts
on some cars.(before inserts). I put them on just for safety and never had
another problem.
George, The Bald Eagle of Arizona
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> I use fiber lock nut/jamb nuts on the back of my Ivo and only check them
> once a year during the annual. The prop is always still at 200 inch
pounds.
> Never had a problem. But what do I know? Stick with the Ivo
recommendations...
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> At 09:27 AM 4/28/04 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
> ><snip>
> >
> >Also, just out of curiosity, I have always used a jamb nut on the back of
my
> >prop bolts as a safety. I ordered new prop bolts from Ivo just to change
them
> >out and they said not to use jamb nuts. They are religious about the
200inch
> >pound torque's that should be checked every 10 hours and are afraid the
jamb
> >nuts will keep you from doing that and are afraid that they will be
> >overtightned
> >increasing the 200inch pound setting. I have always barely snugged them
and
> >used them just as a safety. The factory Kolbs have always had them as
well.
> >
> >Thanks for the input.
> >
> >Tim
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: curtis groote <cgroote1@yahoo.com>
From the novice: Firestar ll
The manual says to install the braces in the horiz.
and vert. stabilizers with brackets bent to a 1/32
inch radius. Suggestions on what to use to do that
bending, please.
Also, did any of you spray zinc chromate primer on any
parts or the steel parts after drilling?
Thanks to Paul Petty, Richard Pike, and Tim and Jan
for their responses back in February on the worktable.
It's been slow starting but the table is done, some
tools acquired, and hopefully I can get serious now.
Thanks.
Curt Groote
=====
__________________________________
http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Well let's think about this, it may be very appropriate. It seems the
builder is building at about the pace of a turtle. Yup, I think it would
definitely fit. Lar, your going to have to change the name of the plane
and the picture you had planned for the tail. B
)
jerb
At 07:48 AM 4/28/04 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
>Harrrr...........I can imagine the comments THAT would get. :-)
>Do not Archive.
>
>Larry Bourne
>Palm Springs, CA
>Building Kolb Mk III
>N78LB Vamoose
>www.gogittum.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dave Rains" <rr@htg.net>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Tortoises
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains <rr@htg.net>
> >
> > Really nice photos of the tortoise. Would make a nice tail flash for
>Vamoose.
> > Dave Rains
> > Monument Valley or Bust
> > do not archive
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Larry Bourne [SMTP:biglar@gogittum.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 11:55 PM
> > To: Kolb-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kolb-List: Tortoises
> >
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> >
> > Do not Archive. Not Kolb Related.
> >
> > Another installment in my weekend travels............if you're interested
>in the Desert Tortoise, take a look at:
> >
> > http://www.webpictures.homestead.com/travelling.html
> >
> > and click on "Desert Tortoises." I hope you enjoy. Lar.
>Do not Archive.
> >
> > Larry Bourne
> > Palm Springs, CA
> > Building Kolb Mk III
> > N78LB Vamoose
> > www.gogittum.com
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Note, there are regular and locking versions of PAL Nuts. Here's a handy
link to see what they are. You may also want to note there are AN metal
locking nuts - look some thing a castle nut but are locking - used in
places like exhaust systems where things get hot and a fiber nut would hold
up.
http://www.mrgusa.com/pdfs/83-89palnut.pdf
jerb
At 11:23 AM 4/28/04 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "G. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
>
>For what it is worth, I have used IVO props on both of my Kolbs. I too did
>not use lock nuts behind the prop UNTIL, on one of my preflights while on a
>long cross country, I discovered one of the bolts had worked out about a
>quarter inch. I went right down to the auto parts store and bought a set of
>"Pal" nuts. These are pressed steel nuts that used to be on con- rod bolts
>on some cars.(before inserts). I put them on just for safety and never had
>another problem.
> George, The Bald Eagle of Arizona
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
> >
> > I use fiber lock nut/jamb nuts on the back of my Ivo and only check them
> > once a year during the annual. The prop is always still at 200 inch
>pounds.
> > Never had a problem. But what do I know? Stick with the Ivo
>recommendations...
> >
> > Richard Pike
> > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> >
> >
> > At 09:27 AM 4/28/04 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
> > ><snip>
> > >
> > >Also, just out of curiosity, I have always used a jamb nut on the back of
>my
> > >prop bolts as a safety. I ordered new prop bolts from Ivo just to change
>them
> > >out and they said not to use jamb nuts. They are religious about the
>200inch
> > >pound torque's that should be checked every 10 hours and are afraid the
>jamb
> > >nuts will keep you from doing that and are afraid that they will be
> > >overtightned
> > >increasing the 200inch pound setting. I have always barely snugged them
>and
> > >used them just as a safety. The factory Kolbs have always had them as
>well.
> > >
> > >Thanks for the input.
> > >
> > >Tim
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Ralph,
Why do you say wood props should not be used on a pusher?
Seems like fiber (ny-lock) nuts would be even appropriate for wood prop -
if they loosened at all it would at least keep them from backing out of the
prop mounting flange.
jerb
At 07:02 PM 4/28/04 +0000, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com
>
>
>I use stopnuts (nylock) on the back of the prop hub with an Ivo. The prop
>has been on there for 450 hours without any problem. I check the tightness
>every year.
>
>Do not use stop nuts on a wooden prop as the wood compresses and loosens
>up the prop bolts. Stop nuts wouldn't do any good. I had to check the prop
>bolts often with the wooden prop.
>
>Composite props, Ivo or Warp, are the only props that should be used on a
>pusher.
>
>Ralph
>Original Firestar
>17 years flying it
>Rotax 447/Ivo 2-blade
>
>-- "G. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net> wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "G. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
>
>For what it is worth, I have used IVO props on both of my Kolbs. I too did
>not use lock nuts behind the prop UNTIL, on one of my preflights while on a
>long cross country, I discovered one of the bolts had worked out about a
>quarter inch. I went right down to the auto parts store and bought a set of
>"Pal" nuts. These are pressed steel nuts that used to be on con- rod bolts
>on some cars.(before inserts). I put them on just for safety and never had
>another problem.
> George, The Bald Eagle of Arizona
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
> >
> > I use fiber lock nut/jamb nuts on the back of my Ivo and only check them
> > once a year during the annual. The prop is always still at 200 inch
>pounds.
> > Never had a problem. But what do I know? Stick with the Ivo
>recommendations...
> >
> > Richard Pike
> > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> >
> >
> > At 09:27 AM 4/28/04 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
> > ><snip>
> > >
> > >Also, just out of curiosity, I have always used a jamb nut on the back of
>my
> > >prop bolts as a safety. I ordered new prop bolts from Ivo just to change
>them
> > >out and they said not to use jamb nuts. They are religious about the
>200inch
> > >pound torque's that should be checked every 10 hours and are afraid the
>jamb
> > >nuts will keep you from doing that and are afraid that they will be
> > >overtightned
> > >increasing the 200inch pound setting. I have always barely snugged them
>and
> > >used them just as a safety. The factory Kolbs have always had them as
>well.
> > >
> > >Thanks for the input.
> > >
> > >Tim
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Hi Johann/Gang,
Check the archives. Gregg Waligroski did a pretty thorough test with a
hot prop and a couple of warp props. Sounded like it performed real
well. Let me know if you have problems finding it. I still have it in my
inbox and can send to you if you need me to.
Later,
John Cooley
Do not archive
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Johann" <johann@gi.is>
Hi list members.
Anyone used a Hotprop from Kiev on a Kolb? Would be very interested to
know any pros and cons on that prop, comared to the most used Ivo and
Warp props.
Best regards.
Johann from Iceland.
Firestar II.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Nope ! ! ! Nope ! ! ! The time has come. I'm a-diggin' in my heels.
Gotta be The Moose or nuthin'. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "jerb" <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tortoises
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>
> Well let's think about this, it may be very appropriate. It seems the
> builder is building at about the pace of a turtle. Yup, I think it would
> definitely fit. Lar, your going to have to change the name of the plane
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Those PAL nuts sound like a good backup for bolts into a threaded hub.
-if you torqued into the hub and then retorqued a fibre self-locker as
a backup, it makes me wonder what happens to the original hub torque.
-might as well bore the hub holes to bolt size and rely on the nuts to do
the job singularly. The list has previously been over the subject of
stretch
vs. shear in this application and it continues to be a matter of
considerable
import. Every app needs to be well thought out. At first one may be led
to think: hey, it's a pusher, shear only! right? Then there are those times
of footloose abandon when you pull the power and stand on various
pedals to relieve the boredom. Those wingovers and quickchange maneuvers
reverse all the normal stresses and do put in a little different
perspective.
Wood props should be rechecked. 100 hours wouldn't be too frequent.
This would include at least a cursory runout. -BB, gardening and mowing
do not archive
G. Thompson wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "G. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
>
>For what it is worth, I have used IVO props on both of my Kolbs. I too did
>not use lock nuts behind the prop UNTIL, on one of my preflights while on a
>long cross country, I discovered one of the bolts had worked out about a
>quarter inch. I went right down to the auto parts store and bought a set of
>"Pal" nuts. These are pressed steel nuts that used to be on con- rod bolts
>on some cars.(before inserts). I put them on just for safety and never had
>another problem.
> George, The Bald Eagle of Arizona
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question
>
>
>
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>>
>>I use fiber lock nut/jamb nuts on the back of my Ivo and only check them
>>once a year during the annual. The prop is always still at 200 inch
>>
>>
>pounds.
>
>
>>Never had a problem. But what do I know? Stick with the Ivo
>>
>>
>recommendations...
>
>
>>Richard Pike
>>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>>
>>
>>At 09:27 AM 4/28/04 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>Also, just out of curiosity, I have always used a jamb nut on the back of
>>>
>>>
>my
>
>
>>>prop bolts as a safety. I ordered new prop bolts from Ivo just to change
>>>
>>>
>them
>
>
>>>out and they said not to use jamb nuts. They are religious about the
>>>
>>>
>200inch
>
>
>>>pound torque's that should be checked every 10 hours and are afraid the
>>>
>>>
>jamb
>
>
>>>nuts will keep you from doing that and are afraid that they will be
>>>overtightned
>>>increasing the 200inch pound setting. I have always barely snugged them
>>>
>>>
>and
>
>
>>>used them just as a safety. The factory Kolbs have always had them as
>>>
>>>
>well.
>
>
>>>Thanks for the input.
>>>
>>>Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
vaturtle dosn't have the same ring to it.
> Well let's think about this, it may be very appropriate. It seems the
> builder is building at about the pace of a turtle. Yup, I think it would
> definitely fit. Lar, your going to have to change the name of the plane
> and the picture you had planned for the tail. B
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| Subject: | : Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
Using locknuts is not the traditional practice, using safety wire through
holes in the bolt heads is. It is a much more relieable method and is
fairly easy to do once you get the hang of it. Drilling the bolt heads is
not very difficult or you can buy bolts with the heads drilled.
The bolts most definately are not in shear only when you are manvering. The
gyroscopic forces on a prop during a quick pitch up can be 20,000 Ft*Pounds!
Those loads are tension on half the bolts and compression on the hub on the
other half.
Wood props need to be re-torqued seasonally with the changes in humidity and
temperature. If there is a significant change in the conditions you need to
check the torque.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Bean
Subject: Re: Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Those PAL nuts sound like a good backup for bolts into a threaded hub.
-if you torqued into the hub and then retorqued a fibre self-locker as
a backup, it makes me wonder what happens to the original hub torque.
-might as well bore the hub holes to bolt size and rely on the nuts to do
the job singularly. The list has previously been over the subject of
stretch
vs. shear in this application and it continues to be a matter of
considerable
import. Every app needs to be well thought out. At first one may be led
to think: hey, it's a pusher, shear only! right? Then there are those times
of footloose abandon when you pull the power and stand on various
pedals to relieve the boredom. Those wingovers and quickchange maneuvers
reverse all the normal stresses and do put in a little different
perspective.
Wood props should be rechecked. 100 hours wouldn't be too frequent.
This would include at least a cursory runout. -BB, gardening and mowing
do not archive
G. Thompson wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "G. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
>
>For what it is worth, I have used IVO props on both of my Kolbs. I too did
>not use lock nuts behind the prop UNTIL, on one of my preflights while on a
>long cross country, I discovered one of the bolts had worked out about a
>quarter inch. I went right down to the auto parts store and bought a set of
>"Pal" nuts. These are pressed steel nuts that used to be on con- rod bolts
>on some cars.(before inserts). I put them on just for safety and never had
>another problem.
> George, The Bald Eagle of Arizona
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question
>
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>>
>>I use fiber lock nut/jamb nuts on the back of my Ivo and only check them
>>once a year during the annual. The prop is always still at 200 inch
>>
>>
>pounds.
>
>
>>Never had a problem. But what do I know? Stick with the Ivo
>>
>>
>recommendations...
>
>
>>Richard Pike
>>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>>
>>
>>At 09:27 AM 4/28/04 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>Also, just out of curiosity, I have always used a jamb nut on the back of
>>>
>>>
>my
>
>
>>>prop bolts as a safety. I ordered new prop bolts from Ivo just to change
>>>
>>>
>them
>
>
>>>out and they said not to use jamb nuts. They are religious about the
>>>
>>>
>200inch
>
>
>>>pound torque's that should be checked every 10 hours and are afraid the
>>>
>>>
>jamb
>
>
>>>nuts will keep you from doing that and are afraid that they will be
>>>overtightned
>>>increasing the 200inch pound setting. I have always barely snugged them
>>>
>>>
>and
>
>
>>>used them just as a safety. The factory Kolbs have always had them as
>>>
>>>
>well.
>
>
>>>Thanks for the input.
>>>
>>>Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Ah, Woody............good to see ya back, old son.............and thanks for
the vote. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tortoises
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
>
> vaturtle dosn't have the same ring to it.
>
>
> > Well let's think about this, it may be very appropriate. It seems the
> > builder is building at about the pace of a turtle. Yup, I think it
would
> > definitely fit. Lar, your going to have to change the name of the plane
> > and the picture you had planned for the tail. B
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
In a message dated 4/28/04 1:04:08 PM Central Standard Time, ul15rhb@juno.com
writes:
<<
Do not use stop nuts on a wooden prop as the wood compresses and loosens up
the prop bolts. Stop nuts wouldn't do any good. I had to check the prop bolts
often with the wooden prop.
Composite props, Ivo or Warp, are the only props that should be used on a
pusher.
Ralph
Original Firestar
17 years flying it
Rotax 447/Ivo 2-blade
>>
Ralph,
Are you using a 66" Ivo? If so do you know what pitch you have on
it and your static RPM?
Ed (in Houston)
Do Not Archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bass" <gtb@commspeed.net>
Lar;
Sorry I couldn't find exactly what I was looking for,
but, this may give you an idea or two regarding the
new logo for renaming the Vamoose. This is a pic
of a super turtle MOLD for making models, but, I
envision one similar with a cape & maybe stretched
out in a nearly horizontal position, on the tail of the
"new" Aerial Tortoise, or maybe the "Attack of the
Flying Turtle"-type of logo.
You know, ....... Protector of the lower limits of the
airspaces, Defender of the pastures, Keeper of the
gas cans, Etc.
George
Hope the pic comes thru
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