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1. 04:46 AM - Kuffel's Dog (Dave Rains)
2. 06:13 AM - Re: Tortoises (Bob Bean)
3. 07:12 AM - lock nuts on props (boyd young)
4. 07:56 AM - NyLock nuts on Prop Bolts? (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
5. 12:34 PM - Flap Lever Retainer (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
6. 01:08 PM - Re: lock nuts on props (G. Thompson)
7. 01:39 PM - 1/32 in radius... (Mike Pierzina)
8. 03:16 PM - Re: Flap Lever Retainer (Richard Pike)
9. 04:54 PM - Re: Flap Lever Retainer (Bill Elder)
10. 05:52 PM - Re: Flap Lever Retainer (Bob Bean)
11. 06:28 PM - progress (Paul Petty)
12. 06:39 PM - oops (Paul Petty)
13. 09:07 PM - I broke my Kolb (Fackler, Ken)
14. 10:04 PM - Re: I broke my Kolb (Giovanni Day)
15. 10:37 PM - Re: I broke my Kolb (Larry Bourne)
16. 10:41 PM - Re: Flap Lever Retainer (Larry Bourne)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains <rr@htg.net>
Saw this link on the AOPA message board.
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040427/D827F7683.html
Good to hear their dog was rescued.
Dave Rains
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
>
>..... Protector of the lower limits of the
>airspaces, Defender of the pastures, Keeper of the
>gas cans, Etc.
>
>George
>
>Lar defends the west coast lower limits, I'm doing my part
>
here in the east. (and I used to wonder about the old geezers with the
J3 cubs
sinking into the ground - slipping into the same category ) :) -BB do
not archive
>
>---
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | lock nuts on props |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
Those PAL nuts sound like a good backup for bolts into a threaded hub.
-if you torqued into the hub and then retorqued a fibre self-locker as
a backup, it makes me wonder what happens to the original hub torque.
-might as well bore the hub holes to bolt size and rely on the nuts to do
the job singularly. The list has previously been over the subject of
stretch
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if putting a lock nut on a bolt through a threaded hub i would only tighten the
locknut to 1/2 the touque put on the prop bolt.
just my thoughts.
boyd
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| Subject: | NyLock nuts on Prop Bolts? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
<< Ivo said not to use jamb nuts. Tim >>
Tim, and Kolbers -
Powerfin Props also come with instructions not to use nuts on the ends of
their prop bolts. The bolts simply screw into the hub, and the recommended
175 inch-lb torque is (supposedly) sufficient to keep the bolts from
loosening.
But as Topher recommends, I drilled the bolt heads and use safety wire
anyway. Peace of mind is worth it to me!
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, Verner, Powerfin
New Mexico
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| Subject: | Flap Lever Retainer |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Kolb Friends -
Looking for some advice from our Mark-3 drivers.
My flap handle keeps popping out of position. The detent notches don't seem
to keep the flap handle in place securely enough. Any recommendations to
fix this?
I looked at Richard Pike's website and the details of his re-worked,
7-position flap system. Awsome piece of work, but I'm looking for something
a bit simpler that does not involve cutting & re-welding. Like a retaining
strap or something.
Any ideas will be appreciated. Many thanks -
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, Verner-1400
New Mexico
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| Subject: | Re: lock nuts on props |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "G. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
Those pressed steel "Pal" nuts I spoke of do not rely on torque for their
holding strength. They sort of Bite into the threads of the protruding bolt
for their grip. They hardly require any torque to do there thing. I am sure
they would not change the torque reading of the cap screws that are already
torqued to a specific reading.
The Bald Eagle of Arizona
----- Original Message -----
From: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: lock nuts on props
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
>
>
> Those PAL nuts sound like a good backup for bolts into a threaded hub.
> -if you torqued into the hub and then retorqued a fibre self-locker as
> a backup, it makes me wonder what happens to the original hub torque.
> -might as well bore the hub holes to bolt size and rely on the nuts to do
> the job singularly. The list has previously been over the subject of
> stretch
> -------------------------------------
>
> if putting a lock nut on a bolt through a threaded hub i would only
tighten the locknut to 1/2 the touque put on the prop bolt.
>
> just my thoughts.
>
> boyd
>
>
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| Subject: | 1/32 in radius... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hey Curt,
Rough start... If you put a piece of duct tape on the jaws of your vise
, and bent those pieces at 90 degrees....your gonna end up with about a 1/32
inch radius....
Now , do you have a clean finger...?
Put it bettween your lips ,and say "B" while moving your finger up & down , real
fast!
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
From: curtis groote <cgroote1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: firestar ll
--> Kolb-List message posted by: curtis groote <cgroote1@yahoo.com>
From the novice: Firestar ll
The manual says to install the braces in the horiz.
and vert. stabilizers with brackets bent to a 1/32
inch radius. Suggestions on what to use to do that
bending, please.
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Lever Retainer |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Went out and looked at mine, tried to remember what it originally looked
like, here's an idea:
Get a screen door type spring about ???" long, and 2 hose clamps. Clamp one
end of the spring to the tubing ahead of the flat springy part of the
lever, and the other end of the spring to the diagonal brace that runs from
near the flap lever to the side vertical tube. It would add tension to keep
the lever left, but still be able to pull the lever right so you could move
it. I can visualize it, but it may not work in practice, food for thought.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 08:33 PM 4/29/04 +0100, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM
><Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
>
>Kolb Friends -
>
>Looking for some advice from our Mark-3 drivers.
>
>My flap handle keeps popping out of position. The detent notches don't seem
>to keep the flap handle in place securely enough. Any recommendations to
>fix this?
>
>I looked at Richard Pike's website and the details of his re-worked,
>7-position flap system. Awsome piece of work, but I'm looking for something
>a bit simpler that does not involve cutting & re-welding. Like a retaining
>strap or something.
>
>Any ideas will be appreciated. Many thanks -
>
>Dennis Kirby
>Mark-3, Verner-1400
>New Mexico
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Lever Retainer |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Elder" <billelder@denver.net>
Dennis - I did my Mark III just like Richard did and it has worked great.
By the way - I have 38 hours on my plane and sure am enjoying it! Bill in
Colorado
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flap Lever Retainer
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> Went out and looked at mine, tried to remember what it originally looked
> like, here's an idea:
>
> Get a screen door type spring about ???" long, and 2 hose clamps. Clamp
one
> end of the spring to the tubing ahead of the flat springy part of the
> lever, and the other end of the spring to the diagonal brace that runs
from
> near the flap lever to the side vertical tube. It would add tension to
keep
> the lever left, but still be able to pull the lever right so you could
move
> it. I can visualize it, but it may not work in practice, food for thought.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> At 08:33 PM 4/29/04 +0100, you wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM
> ><Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
> >
> >Kolb Friends -
> >
> >Looking for some advice from our Mark-3 drivers.
> >
> >My flap handle keeps popping out of position. The detent notches don't
seem
> >to keep the flap handle in place securely enough. Any recommendations to
> >fix this?
> >
> >I looked at Richard Pike's website and the details of his re-worked,
> >7-position flap system. Awsome piece of work, but I'm looking for
something
> >a bit simpler that does not involve cutting & re-welding. Like a
retaining
> >strap or something.
> >
> >Any ideas will be appreciated. Many thanks -
> >
> >Dennis Kirby
> >Mark-3, Verner-1400
> >New Mexico
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Lever Retainer |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Dennis, have you tried filing the hinge tube down maybe 1/8 "
to get a little more positive action? -BB do not archive
Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
>
>Kolb Friends -
>
>Looking for some advice from our Mark-3 drivers.
>
>My flap handle keeps popping out of position. The detent notches don't seem
>to keep the flap handle in place securely enough. Any recommendations to
>fix this?
>
>I looked at Richard Pike's website and the details of his re-worked,
>7-position flap system. Awsome piece of work, but I'm looking for something
>a bit simpler that does not involve cutting & re-welding. Like a retaining
>strap or something.
>
>Any ideas will be appreciated. Many thanks -
>
>Dennis Kirby
>Mark-3, Verner-1400
>New Mexico
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
I made a rack to house my wings while I fit the fuselage tube to the fuselage.
Put it on casters so I can move it around from place to place.
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P4290014.JPG
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P4290015.JPG
Cleaned out the work area and moved the fuselage into the main work area..
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P4290018.JPG
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P4290019.JPG
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P4290020.JPG
Now things are fixing to get interesting.
Here are Ms. Dixie's Wheels/brakes and tires that arrived day before yesterday...
can't wait to bark these puppies!
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P4270001.JPG
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P4270002.JPG
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P4270003.JPG <- note that the stock Kolb flanges will need to be machined off so the Matco axels will fit nicely into the Kolb sockets. After chatting with other Kolbra owners I have elected to stay with the 5/8" axels and ball bearings for now.
I will make the website www.c-gate/~ppetty.com current after every thing is done and I have time to complete it.
For now I will do this type of post for the folks that want to know what I'm up
to.
I have already ordered the plans for my next airplane. It's a Hatz Biplane!
http://www.weebeastie.com/hatzcb1/
This is an airplane that I can use the Harley Davidson twin cam "B" engine in with
this redrive.
http://www.hog-air.com/motor-page.htm
By the way... yall know what Biplane stands for???? Biplane "If flying gets anymore
expensive it's going to be Bye-airplane!
I did the inspection of the airframe for weld imperfections this evening and found
about 12. Not bad.. all can be fixed with a few arc's with my new Lincoln
TIG 185...
Hope all are well and flying Kolb!
As for the rest of us building stiff's we will get there some day.........:-)
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
www.c-gate.net.com/~ppetty
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
Fellow Kolbers:
This was a miserable night. I banged up my Kolb pretty badly tonight. During some
taxi testing, not even a flight, I caught a gust of wind and was unable to
recover. I wound up leaving the runway and entering an extremely rutted field.
I tore off both landing gear and the prop somehow managed to give a blow to the
boom tube. The Ivo prop is a goner, without a doubt, and the landing gear can
be replaced. The question I now have, and wish to pose to all of you, is what
to do about the damage to the boom tube.
It's difficult to describe the damage and I did take several digital photos after
we managed to get the plane back to my hangar. If any of you are willing to
examine the photos and offer your thoughts on whether the boom can be fixed and
how, I'd be incredible grateful. If you are, please let me know and I'll send
you a zipfile of the photos.
Having said that it's difficult to describe, I'm going to try anyhow!
There are two "creases" in the top of the tube, obviously just under the prop arc.
Neither one punctured the metal. The smaller is approximately 2" long and
1/8" deep. The larger is 2.5" farther after and is approximately 3.5" long and
1/4" deep.
As you all know MUCH better than I, replacing the boom tube is Very Big Job. What
only a few of you know is that I am Very Poorly Qualified or Equipped to do
such a job. Some of those who helped me rescue the bird this evening suggested
that a sleeve repair might be attempted.
Any and all thoughts are welcome, and I beg those of you with expertise in this
type of work to share your thoughts with me, particularly anyone who has had
similar damage.
Much saddened,
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Ken,
I just wanted to say I feel for you. I cannot imagine how I would feel
if I had this happen to me. I guess I would cry! Good luck.
Giovanni
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| Subject: | Re: I broke my Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Sorry to hear about it, Ken. My immediate thought is to bite the bullet and
put in a new tube. Lotsa work, but you only got 1 butt. Anything can be
fixed, but that boom tube is critical. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: I broke my Kolb
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
>
> Fellow Kolbers:
>
> This was a miserable night. I banged up my Kolb pretty badly tonight.
During some taxi testing, not even a flight, I caught a gust of wind and was
unable to recover. I wound up leaving the runway and entering an extremely
rutted field. I tore off both landing gear and the prop somehow managed to
give a blow to the boom tube. The Ivo prop is a goner, without a doubt, and
the landing gear can be replaced. The question I now have, and wish to pose
to all of you, is what to do about the damage to the boom tube.
>
> It's difficult to describe the damage and I did take several digital
photos after we managed to get the plane back to my hangar. If any of you
are willing to examine the photos and offer your thoughts on whether the
boom can be fixed and how, I'd be incredible grateful. If you are, please
let me know and I'll send you a zipfile of the photos.
>
> Having said that it's difficult to describe, I'm going to try anyhow!
>
> There are two "creases" in the top of the tube, obviously just under the
prop arc. Neither one punctured the metal. The smaller is approximately 2"
long and 1/8" deep. The larger is 2.5" farther after and is approximately
3.5" long and 1/4" deep.
>
> As you all know MUCH better than I, replacing the boom tube is Very Big
Job. What only a few of you know is that I am Very Poorly Qualified or
Equipped to do such a job. Some of those who helped me rescue the bird this
evening suggested that a sleeve repair might be attempted.
>
> Any and all thoughts are welcome, and I beg those of you with expertise in
this type of work to share your thoughts with me, particularly anyone who
has had similar damage.
>
> Much saddened,
>
> -Ken Fackler
> Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
> Rochester MI
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Lever Retainer |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Dennis, while playing with mine, making vroom vroom noises those many years
ago on the porch, I had trouble keeping the lever in the notches, and in the
whole bracket. So.........I filed the retaining surfaces of the notches
into V's to act as a kind of "lock," and riveted a strap across the "throat"
to keep the lever in the notched area. If you like, I'll take some pics -
after the fishing trip tomorrow. :-) Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM" <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Subject: Kolb-List: Flap Lever Retainer
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM
<Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
>
> Kolb Friends -
>
> Looking for some advice from our Mark-3 drivers.
>
> My flap handle keeps popping out of position. The detent notches don't
seem
> to keep the flap handle in place securely enough. Any recommendations to
> fix this?
>
> I looked at Richard Pike's website and the details of his re-worked,
> 7-position flap system. Awsome piece of work, but I'm looking for
something
> a bit simpler that does not involve cutting & re-welding. Like a
retaining
> strap or something.
>
> Any ideas will be appreciated. Many thanks -
>
> Dennis Kirby
> Mark-3, Verner-1400
> New Mexico
>
>
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