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1. 07:08 AM - 503 fuel ? (Jo and Larry)
2. 07:26 AM - Re: 503 fuel ? (Dallas Shepherd)
3. 07:26 AM - Re: 503 fuel ? (Larry Bourne)
4. 07:31 AM - Re: 503 fuel ? (John Cooley)
5. 07:36 AM - Re: 503 fuel ? (WillUribe@aol.com)
6. 07:40 AM - Re: 503 fuel ? (Olenik Aviation)
7. 07:52 AM - Re: 503 fuel ? (Dan Charter)
8. 08:47 AM - Re: 503 fuel ? (jam'n)
9. 10:00 AM - Re: 503 fuel ? (jerb)
10. 10:04 AM - Re: Kolb-List unsubscribe (SR3SA2L1@aol.com)
11. 11:13 AM - Re: 503 fuel ? (jerb)
12. 12:52 PM - fuel question (Paul Petty)
13. 01:06 PM - Re: fuel question (John Willamson)
14. 02:58 PM - twinstar landing gear (Mhqqqqq@aol.com)
15. 04:01 PM - Re: fuel question (jerb)
16. 05:34 PM - Re: 503 fuel ? (Timandjan@aol.com)
17. 05:49 PM - Re: landing gear axle (Mike Pierzina)
18. 06:06 PM - Re: 503 fuel ? (HShack@aol.com)
19. 07:03 PM - Damaged tailboom (Bill Vincent)
20. 07:11 PM - Which Wires are the P-leads? (James and Cathy Tripp)
21. 08:59 PM - Re: Which Wires are the P-leads? (Richard Pike)
22. 11:49 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jo and Larry" <joandlp@starband.net>
We have a Firestar II with a 503DCDI. I have been bringing Premium auto gas
to the airport, 93 or 96 octane. The airport owner has 87 auto and 100 LL. I
understand the 100 is probably to hot for the engine but has anyone used 87
with success? Or, has anyone tried to mix the 87 and 100? I am not an expert
on fuel so I don't know if it would blend or just make things worse??
Thanks in advance,
Larry
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954@centurytel.net>
I use nothing else but 87 in my 503, and when I had my 582 I used
87 in it with no problems. Sold the 582 and the buyer dismantaled
it and it was clean. I believe the manual says 87 octane.
Dallas Shepherd
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Subject: Kolb-List: 503 fuel ?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jo and Larry" <joandlp@starband.net>
We have a Firestar II with a 503DCDI. I have been bringing Premium auto gas
to the airport, 93 or 96 octane. The airport owner has 87 auto and 100 LL I
understand the 100 is probably to hot for the engine but has anyone used 87
with success? Or, has anyone tried to mix the 87 and 100? I am not an expert
on fuel so I don't know if it would blend or just make things worse??
Thanks in advance,
Larry
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I don't believe 100LL is too "hot" for the engine; it's been used with
success by many people. My understanding is that in some engines the lead
in 100LL (the LL is a misnomer - 100LL's lead content is 4X as high as the
old leaded auto fuels) can foul the plugs and short them out. Some people
use a lead scavenger to keep things clean. It'll be interesting to see
other replies as they come in. John ?? You out there ?? Since I'll be
burning 100LL much of the time in my engine, I'd be interested in WHY some
engines are susceptical to lead fouling, while others aren't. Plug gap ??
Heat range ?? Compression ?? Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jo and Larry" <joandlp@starband.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: 503 fuel ?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jo and Larry" <joandlp@starband.net>
>
> We have a Firestar II with a 503DCDI. I have been bringing Premium auto
gas
> to the airport, 93 or 96 octane. The airport owner has 87 auto and 100 LL.
I
> understand the 100 is probably to hot for the engine but has anyone used
87
> with success? Or, has anyone tried to mix the 87 and 100? I am not an
expert
> on fuel so I don't know if it would blend or just make things worse??
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Larry
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Hi Larry/Gang,
87 octance unleaded will work fine. If you would like to spike the 87
with some avgas that is ok too. I personally cannot tell any difference
in using 87 or 93 octane in my Firestar with 503 DCDI. Some areas have
ethanol in their gas and I am not familiar with the pros and cons on it.
I think there is a good bit of stuff in the archives on the subject.
Later,
John Cooley
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jo and Larry
Subject: Kolb-List: 503 fuel ?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jo and Larry" <joandlp@starband.net>
We have a Firestar II with a 503DCDI. I have been bringing Premium auto
gas to the airport, 93 or 96 octane. The airport owner has 87 auto and
100 LL. I understand the 100 is probably to hot for the engine but has
anyone used 87 with success? Or, has anyone tried to mix the 87 and 100?
I am not an expert on fuel so I don't know if it would blend or just
make things worse??
Thanks in advance,
Larry
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
87 octane is all I use on my FireStar. IMHO the use of high octane fuel is a
waste of money for the 503. I buy my fuel from the airport, it is a little
more expensive but then I use the owners runway. I just taxi to the pump and
fuel up. The extra price is worth not having to carry heavy jugs of gas from the
gas station and maybe hurt my back.
Regards,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX but next week in PITTSBURGH
FireStar II N4GU
C-172 N2506U
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jo and Larry
Subject: Kolb-List: 503 fuel ?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jo and Larry" <joandlp@starband.net>
We have a Firestar II with a 503DCDI. I have been bringing Premium auto gas
to the airport, 93 or 96 octane. The airport owner has 87 auto and 100 LL. I
understand the 100 is probably to hot for the engine but has anyone used 87
with success? Or, has anyone tried to mix the 87 and 100? I am not an expert
on fuel so I don't know if it would blend or just make things worse??
Thanks in advance,
Larry
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Olenik Aviation" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
The best thing that you could probably do is mix the two. The 87 is fine to
use as long as it does not have time to deteriorate any. If your 87 is
actually 85, that is not good. Actually using 87 is just A OK. 86.5 AKI is
the actual minimum.
I tend to use 93 just because if it sits a week or two, it will be better.
If you are going to burn it relatively quickly it will be fine to use 87.
If it might sit for a while in your plane, mix it with the 100LL. That
reduces the lead and raises the octane.
Tom Olenik
Olenik Aviation - Supplying the lighter side of sport aviation.
Level III Repair Station for Rotax Aircraft Engines
Dealer for Summit Powered Parachutes
http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
Toll Free: 877-AIR-MOTORS
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jo and Larry
Subject: Kolb-List: 503 fuel ?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jo and Larry" <joandlp@starband.net>
We have a Firestar II with a 503DCDI. I have been bringing Premium auto gas
to the airport, 93 or 96 octane. The airport owner has 87 auto and 100 LL. I
understand the 100 is probably to hot for the engine but has anyone used 87
with success? Or, has anyone tried to mix the 87 and 100? I am not an expert
on fuel so I don't know if it would blend or just make things worse??
Thanks in advance,
Larry
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
Try some 91 octane non oxygenated if you can get it in your area. It's not
blended, But I'm told that allot of states don't sell it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jo and Larry" <joandlp@starband.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: 503 fuel ?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jo and Larry" <joandlp@starband.net>
>
> We have a Firestar II with a 503DCDI. I have been bringing Premium auto
gas
> to the airport, 93 or 96 octane. The airport owner has 87 auto and 100 LL.
I
> understand the 100 is probably to hot for the engine but has anyone used
87
> with success? Or, has anyone tried to mix the 87 and 100? I am not an
expert
> on fuel so I don't know if it would blend or just make things worse??
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Larry
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jam'n" <jghunter@nol.net>
any ratio suggestions?
> If it might sit for a while in your plane, mix it with the 100LL. That
> reduces the lead and raises the octane.
>
> Tom Olenik
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
I run 87 octane as per the Rotax manual - the only time I use the higher
octane stuff is if I am mixing it with some older fuel or expect that I may
not be burning it off for a while. I also use stabilizer when I expect the
fuel to set for a little while. I can notice the difference using it - the
engine runs smoother than when running aged fuel without the
stabilizer. I would have no problem running the 87 octane at the airport
if it is convenient.
jerb
At 09:35 AM 5/1/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
>
>Hi Larry/Gang,
>87 octance unleaded will work fine. If you would like to spike the 87
>with some avgas that is ok too. I personally cannot tell any difference
>in using 87 or 93 octane in my Firestar with 503 DCDI. Some areas have
>ethanol in their gas and I am not familiar with the pros and cons on it.
>I think there is a good bit of stuff in the archives on the subject.
>
>Later,
>John Cooley
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jo and Larry
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: 503 fuel ?
>
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jo and Larry" <joandlp@starband.net>
>
>We have a Firestar II with a 503DCDI. I have been bringing Premium auto
>gas to the airport, 93 or 96 octane. The airport owner has 87 auto and
>100 LL. I understand the 100 is probably to hot for the engine but has
>anyone used 87 with success? Or, has anyone tried to mix the 87 and 100?
>I am not an expert on fuel so I don't know if it would blend or just
>make things worse??
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Larry
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: SR3SA2L1@aol.com
Dear Sir,
Please unsubscribe me from all of your lists. I have enjoyed and greatly
appreciate the lists and the people who fly Kolbs.
Thank you,
Steve Roby
P.S. I have tryed to use "unsubscribe" feature but have been unable to get
it to take.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Something we learned while running auto fuel in our GA plane is that when
compared to the 100 LL, the 100LL stores much better for longer period of
time. So if your going to burn it up right a way use 87, if you may leave
it set for more than a week, might consider using the 92/93 stuff and add
stabilizer - even if you storing it unmixed. I don't mix oil in until I
know I am going to use it that way if I don't use it I can run it in my
truck and not have to worry about it or contaminating the oxygen sensor.
jerb
At 09:43 AM 5/1/04 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Olenik Aviation"
><olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
>
>The best thing that you could probably do is mix the two. The 87 is fine to
>use as long as it does not have time to deteriorate any. If your 87 is
>actually 85, that is not good. Actually using 87 is just A OK. 86.5 AKI is
>the actual minimum.
>
>I tend to use 93 just because if it sits a week or two, it will be better.
>If you are going to burn it relatively quickly it will be fine to use 87.
>If it might sit for a while in your plane, mix it with the 100LL. That
>reduces the lead and raises the octane.
>
>Tom Olenik
>Olenik Aviation - Supplying the lighter side of sport aviation.
>Level III Repair Station for Rotax Aircraft Engines
>Dealer for Summit Powered Parachutes
>http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
>Toll Free: 877-AIR-MOTORS
>Buy from a dealer who can support what they sell......
>(DO NOT USE THIS E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR DIRECT E-MAIL. WE WILL NEVER SEE IT.
>USE THE ABOVE CONTACT INFORMATION TO CONTACT US DIRECTLY)
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jo and Larry
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: 503 fuel ?
>
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jo and Larry" <joandlp@starband.net>
>
>We have a Firestar II with a 503DCDI. I have been bringing Premium auto gas
>to the airport, 93 or 96 octane. The airport owner has 87 auto and 100 LL. I
>understand the 100 is probably to hot for the engine but has anyone used 87
>with success? Or, has anyone tried to mix the 87 and 100? I am not an expert
>on fuel so I don't know if it would blend or just make things worse??
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Larry
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
Very interesting topic this fuel buzz. Question for our resident gasoline expert
John Cooley and perhaps helpful to the rest of the list.
John,
Why is lower octane say 87 verses 97 or 100LL avgas more acceptable to becoming
say "Stale" or try and turn into "Varnish" as we call it in the deep south? And
does this stuff that I sell called "Stablle" really work?
I had a interesting conversation with John Hauck the other day about how most ultralight
aircraft don't see much airtime.And with the aircraft sitting for so
long the gas in our airplanes gets water in it or turns into varnish like in
a lawnmower left over the winter not started and run for long periods of time.
Charlie's RV8 has sat for 3 years with only 42 hrs of flight time. 100LL mostly
in it and it seams to be clear and fresh as the day it was pumped? So what's
the deal here? Does the higher octane last longer?
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Willamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Paul and All,
"So what's the deal here? Does the higher octane last longer?
Paul Petty, Building Ms. Dixie, Kolbra/912UL/Warp"
For my Kolbra with the Jabiru or the 912S, it ran poorly on the 87 octane,
okay on the 100LL and great on the 93 octane.
Only problem is: regardless of the octane, the fuel doesn't last long enough
at all. :)
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 561 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
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| Subject: | twinstar landing gear |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mhqqqqq@aol.com
I have an old twinstar (open cockpit) and I need the landing gear axle
assembly,
the part that goes on the bottom end of the landing legs. kolb is not
supporting the
old twinstar anymore. would anyone know where I can get some. or even have
some made.
mark hansen
minnesota
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| Subject: | Re: fuel question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Paul & All,
I can comment about the 100LL Av fuel based upon past experience with our
GA airplane - it seems to have a much longer storage life than auto fuel -
doesn't seem to produce the varnish effect like auto fuel does nor does it
unfavorable affect the fuel system component gaskets. I believe this is
not attributed by to the octane rating but more to the additive chemicals
used to produce the product which directly impacts its production cost. If
you get Av fuel on your hands it doesn't have the burning sensation nor the
hard to get rid of residue smell as compared to auto fuel. It also runs
better after storage for long period.
Good or bad I do use fuel the STA-BIL stabilizer like you sell.
Over time my observation has been when adding it to fresh fuel while mixing
up a can of premix, the engine has definitely run much better on that fuel
after setting for several weeks with little noticeable difference compared
to fresh premix and a define improvement over stale premix which did not
have the additive. I also add it right away to fresh purchased fuel I
store until it needed at which time I add oil.
If I intend to use the fuel up within the week I may run 87 octane and
still use the stabilizer as I normally return from a flight with left over
fuel. If I believe I may be storing the fuel or premix longer than a week
I will usually buy 92/93 octane. We normally try to burn up stale premix
fuel by mixing it with fresh higher octane premix. Mixing rate depends
upon its age and whether its been in the planes "vented" tank or sealed gas
can - I date each can when I purchase it. Normally I try to mix at about
4:1 or 5:1 ratio of new to old. If its only a week old I just top off the
tank with fresh premix. If I am mixing with anything that is over a week
old I try to mix with higher grade octane fuel.
jerb
At 03:04 PM 5/1/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
>
>Kolbers,
>Very interesting topic this fuel buzz. Question for our resident gasoline
>expert John Cooley and perhaps helpful to the rest of the list.
>John,
>Why is lower octane say 87 verses 97 or 100LL avgas more acceptable to
>becoming say "Stale" or try and turn into "Varnish" as we call it in the
>deep south? And does this stuff that I sell called "Stablle" really work?
>I had a interesting conversation with John Hauck the other day about how
>most ultralight aircraft don't see much airtime.And with the aircraft
>sitting for so long the gas in our airplanes gets water in it or turns
>into varnish like in a lawnmower left over the winter not started and run
>for long periods of time. Charlie's RV8 has sat for 3 years with only 42
>hrs of flight time. 100LL mostly in it and it seams to be clear and fresh
>as the day it was pumped? So what's the deal here? Does the higher octane
>last longer?
>Paul Petty
>Building Ms. Dixie
>Kolbra/912UL/Warp
>
>
>do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
In a message dated 5/1/04 10:09:48 AM, joandlp@starband.net writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jo and Larry" <joandlp@starband.net>
>
> We have a Firestar II with a 503DCDI. I have been bringing Premium auto gas
> to the airport, 93 or 96 octane. The airport owner has 87 auto and 100 LL. I
> understand the 100 is probably to hot for the engine but has anyone used 87
> with success? Or, has anyone tried to mix the 87 and 100? I am not an expert
> on fuel so I don't know if it would blend or just make things worse??
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Larry
>
>
I use 87 all the time, read the Rotax manual, 87 is what it's called for.
200plus hours on my 503 now.
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| Subject: | RE: landing gear axle |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hi Mark,
Any welding (Fab) shop should be able to make your axle assy.... as long
as you have the dimensions and maybe a rough drawing would help too....It would
be cheaper to know a friend that welds...(not Tinker)
I see your in Minnesota... If your around the Twin Cities , I can make them
, I'm a "State" and "Code" Certified Welder...I could make it at home or work.
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
PS You need to buy the Chrome Moly tubing for your axles , no matter who makes
them... Check out....Wicks or Aircraft Spruce...
SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Subject: twinstar landing gear
From: Mhqqqqq@aol.com
I have an old twinstar (open cockpit) and I need the landing gear axle
assembly,
the part that goes on the bottom end of the landing legs.
would anyone know where I can get some. or even have
some made.
mark hansen
minnesota
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My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 5/1/2004 10:09:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,
joandlp@starband.net writes:
Or, has anyone tried to mix the 87 and 100?
I have been using 87 octane, cheapest brand, for about the last 150 hours, no
problem. I also use semi-synthetic oil.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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| Subject: | Damaged tailboom |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bill Vincent <emailbill@chartermi.net>
Hi Ken and Gang
A couple of years ago I met a guy at Oshkosh EAA, he told me a story
about when he was flying his Mark III that his gear box suddenly fell
off of his Hirth engine and the spinning prop cut halfway through his
tailboom. He landed safely in a farm field but after hearing his hair
raising story I would definitely replace it with a new tailboom instead
of trying to fix the damaged one.
I once read an article which said " if you have any bent or damaged
parts on your airplane, throw it into the water, if the part sinks
replace it with a NEW one." :-)
Bill Vincent
Firestar II
Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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Can anyone tell me which of these 4 yellow and yellow and black wires coming out
of my 503 engine are the P-leads? I think they're the 2 half yellow/half black
wires but I'm not sure.
James Tripp
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Check out the CPS tech info page.
http://www.800-airwolf.com/articles.htm
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 09:11 PM 5/1/04 -0500, you wrote:
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>Can anyone tell me which of these 4 yellow and yellow and black wires
>coming out of my 503 engine are the P-leads? I think they're the 2 half
>yellow/half black wires but I'm not sure.
>
>James Tripp
>FS II, with another day closer to finishing
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