Today's Message Index:
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1. 06:17 AM - Kevlar Boom tube repair (Kirk Smith)
2. 07:19 AM - Bent my bird! (Don Gherardini)
3. 07:38 AM - Re: Bent my bird! (Larry Bourne)
4. 07:50 AM - Re: Bent my bird! (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
5. 08:01 AM - Re: Bent my bird! (John Hauck)
6. 08:06 AM - bent bird (Paul Petty)
7. 08:52 AM - Re: bent bird (Don Gherardini)
8. 09:59 AM - (no subject) (Terry)
9. 10:08 AM - Don's bent bid (Bob Bean)
10. 10:40 AM - Re: Bent my bird! (bryan green)
11. 10:40 AM - Re: bent bird (Christopher Armstrong)
12. 11:35 AM - Re: Bent my bird! (Bob N.)
13. 12:12 PM - photos (Paul Petty)
14. 12:49 PM - Re: Bent my bird! (John Cooley)
15. 02:40 PM - Re: photos (John Willamson)
16. 02:50 PM - Re: bent bird (Robert Dorsey)
17. 06:09 PM - Re: Bent my bird! (Denny Rowe)
18. 06:22 PM - First flight of the year. (Denny Rowe)
19. 06:36 PM - Upside Down (Mike Pierzina)
20. 07:04 PM - Re: bent bird (Don Gherardini)
21. 07:16 PM - Re: Bent my bird! (Fackler, Ken)
22. 07:25 PM - Re: I broke my Kolb (Fackler, Ken)
23. 09:12 PM - gas octaine (boyd young)
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| Subject: | Kevlar Boom tube repair |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
I think it an interesting idea about the kevlar but only in using it as a sleeve
in the intial installation. Run from the forward ring to aft of the H-section.
It could give added strength and protection in that area. However the cage
as is couldn't accept the extra diameter at the bolt area. To add the kevlar
after the bolt would be a grave mistake as the kevlar would cause vibrations to
become more focused at the bolt area which has already recieved damage seen
and unseen at a molecular level from the prop strike. Kirk
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Alas and woe is me my friends, As I have now joined the ranks of the Kolb
Benders club!....argfhhhh
So, before you all hear it from else where..here is my story...
Yesterday, after the rains have finally ceased and calm . blue skies
returned to central illinois, I was enjoying my first flights of the spring.
I took off from a closeby grass strip for the seasons first shakedown...
Flew approx 15 minutes...a gallon of fuel or so, and landed back for a quick
inspection.
All seemed very well, and my brother and I checked the FireFly over to see
if everthing was still connected!
not a single entry on the gripe sheet...and the performance was
perfect....actually seemed even better than perfect, but, as I have been
groundbound since jan., it might have just been my anxious anticipation, and
joy to be in flight !
So, after topping off the tank, I began preparations to make the 40 mile
flight to the airpark will the firefly resides during the flying season.
I departed and told my brother. who was goping to meet me over there to
transport me home, I might just take the long way, as the day was beautiful
and the need for air beneath my wings might not be satisfied in the duration
of the short flight.
climbed out to appros 1000 agl and leveled off...and soon discovered that
the strut mods and cage covering had given me an solid 5 mph gain in
indicated AS at my usual 5300rpm cruise setting....now...indicateing a solid
65 mph....wonderful!
approx 8 to10 minutes into the flight, with the seasons first "Kolb
smile"still plastered across my mug....I heard that sound that we all
dread.."Silence"
Quickly looking at the insturments, I saw no temps out of the green, and
still had the electric fuel pump on.
No spitting...no sputter, and no warning...it just quit...the suddeness of
the shutdown was so that it caused me to check and see if I had somehow hit
the kill switch!...which was still in the on position..
OK..no time for an engine overhaul just now...so I quickly found a nice
clear feild with just the beginings of corn begining to push up in the
rows.(actually the feild was right beneath me)...so I turned the nose into
the wind.,, what little there was.
noteing the faster than usual sink rate of a firefly with approx 9 gallons
of fuel onboard, I steepend my glide to keep the speed up..looking good.
to my great suprise....or foolishness....that feild was Very .very
soft....and....it seemed that as soon as the mains hit...admittedly a little
harder than I had hoped.....the mud grabbed and hung on, and I found myself
upside down and inspecting those 3 inch corn stalks very closely.
hmmm...dang..I hope nobody saw this I thought, and climbed out...thinking I
hope I can get it rightside up before someone sees me!
well...that was more foolishness...
left wing tip busted...gear sprung, and cage bent with nose bowl messed up
too!
arghhh......
all fixable, and it is not the first time I have torn up on toy of
mine...just the first time I have torn up an airplane!
biggest dissapointment is.....I cant fly it tomorrow!....
wing fix wont be long...but the cage....dunno just yet how that is gonna
go....hehe, I was wanting more elbow room!
anybody know of a firefly cage outthere somewhere for sale?
sent Linda an email just now to get a price on a new one....and I am not
anxious to get her reply!
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
PLEASE .......DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Bent my bird! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
What a way to start the season, Don. Sure sorry to hear it, but glad you're
OK. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Bent my bird!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Alas and woe is me my friends, As I have now joined the ranks of the Kolb
> Benders club!....argfhhhh
> So, before you all hear it from else where..here is my story...
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bent my bird! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Don
Sorry to here about your plane. Ouch! Please let us know what caused the
silence.
I too flew of the first time (for the season) last night. I found my flying
skills rusty but all ended well. I don't want to here any more of these
stories. Remember over a long pause (yes I know you guys in the south don't
need to pause for the winter) from flying, wait for good weather and check
and recheck you airplanes.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Bent my bird!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Alas and woe is me my friends, As I have now joined the ranks of the Kolb
> Benders club!....argfhhhh
> So, before you all hear it from else where..here is my story...
>
> Yesterday, after the rains have finally ceased and calm . blue skies
> returned to central illinois, I was enjoying my first flights of the
spring.
> I took off from a closeby grass strip for the seasons first shakedown...
> Flew approx 15 minutes...a gallon of fuel or so, and landed back for a
quick
> inspection.
> All seemed very well, and my brother and I checked the FireFly over to
see
> if everthing was still connected!
> not a single entry on the gripe sheet...and the performance was
> perfect....actually seemed even better than perfect, but, as I have been
> groundbound since jan., it might have just been my anxious anticipation,
and
> joy to be in flight !
> So, after topping off the tank, I began preparations to make the 40 mile
> flight to the airpark will the firefly resides during the flying season.
> I departed and told my brother. who was goping to meet me over there to
> transport me home, I might just take the long way, as the day was
beautiful
> and the need for air beneath my wings might not be satisfied in the
duration
> of the short flight.
> climbed out to appros 1000 agl and leveled off...and soon discovered that
> the strut mods and cage covering had given me an solid 5 mph gain in
> indicated AS at my usual 5300rpm cruise setting....now...indicateing a
solid
> 65 mph....wonderful!
> approx 8 to10 minutes into the flight, with the seasons first "Kolb
> smile"still plastered across my mug....I heard that sound that we all
> dread.."Silence"
> Quickly looking at the insturments, I saw no temps out of the green, and
> still had the electric fuel pump on.
> No spitting...no sputter, and no warning...it just quit...the suddeness of
> the shutdown was so that it caused me to check and see if I had somehow
hit
> the kill switch!...which was still in the on position..
>
> OK..no time for an engine overhaul just now...so I quickly found a nice
> clear feild with just the beginings of corn begining to push up in the
> rows.(actually the feild was right beneath me)...so I turned the nose into
> the wind.,, what little there was.
> noteing the faster than usual sink rate of a firefly with approx 9 gallons
> of fuel onboard, I steepend my glide to keep the speed up..looking good.
> to my great suprise....or foolishness....that feild was Very .very
> soft....and....it seemed that as soon as the mains hit...admittedly a
little
> harder than I had hoped.....the mud grabbed and hung on, and I found
myself
> upside down and inspecting those 3 inch corn stalks very closely.
> hmmm...dang..I hope nobody saw this I thought, and climbed out...thinking
I
> hope I can get it rightside up before someone sees me!
> well...that was more foolishness...
> left wing tip busted...gear sprung, and cage bent with nose bowl messed up
> too!
> arghhh......
> all fixable, and it is not the first time I have torn up on toy of
> mine...just the first time I have torn up an airplane!
> biggest dissapointment is.....I cant fly it tomorrow!....
> wing fix wont be long...but the cage....dunno just yet how that is gonna
> go....hehe, I was wanting more elbow room!
>
> anybody know of a firefly cage outthere somewhere for sale?
>
> sent Linda an email just now to get a price on a new one....and I am not
> anxious to get her reply!
>
> Don Gherardini
> FireFly 098
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
> PLEASE .......DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bent my bird! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
glad you're
| OK. Lar. | Larry Bourne
Hi Don/All:
Me too.
Glad you did not get hurt.
I know the feeling!
Did you have the Hegar wheels and 15.00X6X6 tires installed? May not
have helped in a fresh, wet corn field.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Dang Don, Sorry to hear but glad your buns and sense of humor are intact! Any idea
why it quit yet?
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
thx boys....for your concern of me...
John...yes...had the wheels and tires on her....
went back this morning to the location....see if I missed any parts...
stepped off 4 long steps of 2 tracks in the mud where the mains touched
down....1 ...the left...went much deeper than the other..dont really know if
it was because I had that wing down a bit(it was the upwind side)...or just
because it was softer there. Anyway...along at about 8 or10 feet the rut
was down to 8 to 10 inches deep, and the spot where the nose bowl hit and
skidded for a bit was about right for this part of the wheel rut. looks like
it on went a short bit...only a foot or 2 and then stopped....nose dug in
deep and the left wingtip hit also as it went over..busting the wingtip bow
from the leading edge and folding the outer ribs..and bending the alieron
about 10 inches in from the tip.Apparantly, as she stood on her nose and dug
into the mud...the cage longeron tubes buckled. overall distance from where
the mains touched down and to where she lay updown was probably 20 feet or
so
Peeled the wing fabric last nite in the shop, and everything outboard of the
spar is mashed, broken or bent....but no damage at all to the spar...the
full rib on the end of the spar it also buckled.
IF i were to have seen it from outside..it probably looked like a carrier
landing...with the mains catching the wire instead of the hook!
felt like I landed on flypaper!
Paul, and Richard....
Still dont have a clue as to the stoppage....checked the spark last nite in
the shop, and it was strong....looked at the plugs and they were
perfect..pulled the fuel bowl and it was level full...along with the fuel
pump working just fine still...checked the ignition wireing to try and find
a problem....nothing...
I still have the image of those engine guages stuck into my mind in
bewilderment...chts....300 and 315......EGT 1200...maybe a needle over...
..
didnt go any farther.....pulled the engine and set it on the
bench...ahhh...so today... I am singing the 2 stroke blues....actually for
the first time ever..
maybe I was just due after all these years of hearing the song from so many
others!
Don Gherardini
OEM.Sales / Engineering dept.
American Honda Engines
Power Equipment Company
CortLand, Illinois
800-626-7326
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
Don,
OUCH! Sorry to hear of your mishap, thankfully you seem to be OK! Boy,
you seem to be taking this a lot better than I would.
Waiting to hear what happened to your engine when you get it figured
out.
Terry - FireFly #95
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Sorry to hear also.....those soggy spring fields always gave me the creeps,
lots of unwanted reflections from what would soon be welcome emergency sites
Sure beats big trees and city streets though. -BB (deep alfalfa can
slow you
down in a hurry too) do not archive.
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| Subject: | re: Bent my bird! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Sorry ta hear about your plane Don, but glad your ok and able to fix it. DO NOT
ARCHIVE
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
Glad to here your ok. two strokes can be a bugger. You have a guess at
your touchdown speed? My standing plan, if I ever have another engine out,
is to touch down just after stalling... hold it off as long as possible,
even drop it a foot or so. It worked well for me on my first dead stick. I
got real lucky on my roll out missing every rock and hole in an uneven rocky
field. Sound like you found a real soft field, Tough break. Since you are
the fastest builder on the list I expect you will be flying in a couple of
months, unless you decide to get a 4 stroke to adapt to it while its down...
some of those little Honda motorcycle engines still look like they might
make a decent airplane motor!
Topher
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Gherardini
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bent bird
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
thx boys....for your concern of me...
John...yes...had the wheels and tires on her....
went back this morning to the location....see if I missed any parts...
stepped off 4 long steps of 2 tracks in the mud where the mains touched
down....1 ...the left...went much deeper than the other..dont really know if
it was because I had that wing down a bit(it was the upwind side)...or just
because it was softer there. Anyway...along at about 8 or10 feet the rut
was down to 8 to 10 inches deep, and the spot where the nose bowl hit and
skidded for a bit was about right for this part of the wheel rut. looks like
it on went a short bit...only a foot or 2 and then stopped....nose dug in
deep and the left wingtip hit also as it went over..busting the wingtip bow
from the leading edge and folding the outer ribs..and bending the alieron
about 10 inches in from the tip.Apparantly, as she stood on her nose and dug
into the mud...the cage longeron tubes buckled. overall distance from where
the mains touched down and to where she lay updown was probably 20 feet or
so
Peeled the wing fabric last nite in the shop, and everything outboard of the
spar is mashed, broken or bent....but no damage at all to the spar...the
full rib on the end of the spar it also buckled.
IF i were to have seen it from outside..it probably looked like a carrier
landing...with the mains catching the wire instead of the hook!
felt like I landed on flypaper!
Paul, and Richard....
Still dont have a clue as to the stoppage....checked the spark last nite in
the shop, and it was strong....looked at the plugs and they were
perfect..pulled the fuel bowl and it was level full...along with the fuel
pump working just fine still...checked the ignition wireing to try and find
a problem....nothing...
I still have the image of those engine guages stuck into my mind in
bewilderment...chts....300 and 315......EGT 1200...maybe a needle over...
..
didnt go any farther.....pulled the engine and set it on the
bench...ahhh...so today... I am singing the 2 stroke blues....actually for
the first time ever..
maybe I was just due after all these years of hearing the song from so many
others!
Don Gherardini
OEM.Sales / Engineering dept.
American Honda Engines
Power Equipment Company
CortLand, Illinois
800-626-7326
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| Subject: | Re: Bent my bird! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Geez what a way to start the season! Glad you're not injuried
physically, but yer psyche has had major damage.
Advice from former farm child-laborer: When the new corn comes up
poppin', don't be you be droppin'(in)
Bob N. FF070
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Here are some photos I made of the area of consern.
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P5030010.JPG
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P5030017.JPG
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P5030022.JPG
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P5030024.JPG
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P5030034.JPG
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P5030038.JPG
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Don,
Really sorry to hear you bent your plane. I did something similar once
trying to land in a spot too short and standing on the heel brakes
caused the nose to go over and it dug in the dirt. At that time I wished
the Firestar had a training skid on it as John H. calls them (see John
H. some of us need training skids) fortunately I only messed up the nose
cone, prop, gag seal (gasoline and lexan don't mix) and broke the seal
on my BRS canister. No damage at all to the plane. Mine was from pure
stupidity and inexperience. I learned a good lesson that day. I always
fear the silence thing too. I hope I never experience that. Good luck
with your rebuild and I'm thankful you are ok.
Later,
John Cooley
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Willamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Paul,
It looks like that 1/4" tube is installed 2" to far aft when compared to my
Kolbra fuselage.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 564 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Dorsey <lnc2bldr@earthlink.net>
I had a failure just like that. Thought I inadvertently bumped the kill switch.
Turned out it was the kill switch. Somehow shorted out to ground while in
flight.
Bob
>Paul, and Richard....
>Still dont have a clue as to the stoppage....checked the spark last nite in
>the shop, and it was strong....looked at the plugs and they were
>perfect..pulled the fuel bowl and it was level full...along with the fuel
>pump working just fine still...checked the ignition wireing to try and find
>a problem....nothing...
> I still have the image of those engine guages stuck into my mind in
>bewilderment...chts....300 and 315......EGT 1200...maybe a needle over...
>..
>didnt go any farther.....pulled the engine and set it on the
>bench...ahhh...so today... I am singing the 2 stroke blues....actually for
>the first time ever..
>maybe I was just due after all these years of hearing the song from so many
>others!
>
>Don Gherardini
>OEM.Sales / Engineering dept.
>American Honda Engines
>Power Equipment Company
>CortLand, Illinois
>800-626-7326
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bent my bird! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Don,
I also am glad you are uninjured.
What a bummer to have to rebuild this time of year.
Keep that bright outlook going, you are a real inspiration to us all.
Denny Rowe
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| Subject: | First flight of the year. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Kolbers,
Got a call from Will last night that he was in the area.
Worked out perfect that I was off work today so I spent the day doing the final
Spring cleaning and preping to get the Mk-3 back in the air.
We got back to the airport this evening and after I made a few circuits around
the pattern solo to check for problems and shake the rust loose, I took Will for
a jaunt around the neighborhood.
He said he knew he wasn't in West Texas anymore, they sure have thin blood out
that way, sorry if I froze ya buddy. :-)
Sure was nice to get back in the air again, won't be long till Wellsville rolls
around, hope we can get good weather now.
Later,
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, 2SI 690L-70, Powerfin, Leechburg, PA
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hey Don,
Glad to hear your alright...and your spirits... sounds like your on a mission
now...
When you were upside down , Did your fuel stay where it was suppose to...and
if there were leaks, where were they....? I've tried to set my fuel system
up to prevent that...and I'm sure you did too...so it would be nice to hear that
it worked good, especialy with so much fuel on board...
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Holy cow fellas....thank you all for all these kind words...
Well I dont know if I will ever know for certain why that engine quit. Feels
funny to, as I spend so much time at work analyzing failures!
About all I can determine is the switch..since it is the only spot in the
circuit that is not soldered., meaning I have no "quick connects" or
unsoldered splices or connections in that circuit, must have been the
culprit. Trouble is, I cannot duplicate it certainly after 4 hours today of
fooling arouind with it.
no water in the bowl...new fuel...bowl full....arghh....I hate not being
able to be certain about worse than bending my bird !
On the Cuyuna, the ignition grounds in the on position...opposite of a
rotax....so if the switch somehow went open inside...that would have stopped
the engine., and since it stopped with out a sputter.....it would seem it
lost fire....even tho we had spark when we got it in the shed.
As far as another engine...well....I am certainly not against a different
brand....although this is the first time a Cuyuna has failed me...heck even
after burning Hole in a piston in a snowmobile ...it still ran on the other
cyl!..Drove the dang thing 5 mile home in fact!
Topher, The Honda just wont do....it is not going to be light enough....and
as I have been flying the Fly at gross and slightly over....I know very well
what happend to the sink rate from a heavy Firefly with that short
wing....you run out of elevator way sooner on flare than you want to...and
you really need to keep up the speed before letting the wheels touch..or you
will bounce it pretty hard...with the stick in your belly. about theonly way
I would consider a vtwin industrial at this point, is if I extended the
wings....Like a firestar, and then....I dont think the Honda would give me
the speed I want..
Ralph...I would absoultley love to have that HKS on her...but again...I
think its too heavy for a FireFly..
So...arghh....who out here has another 40 hp class engine for sale>?.....Tom
Olenick...you ot there?..what is the latest on the 447?.....Rotax quit em
yet?....can ya still buy parts?....whats in the wind?
FYI....DONT bend your cage men, got a quote from carol (TNK co) today...a
firefly cage is 2500 bucks!...
Paul.....how much did ya have to give for that TIG????
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
Gosh, Don, I'm so glad to hear you survived and apparently without injury.
Good on you! And good luck with your rebuild.
-Ken
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| Subject: | Re: I broke my Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
For those of you interested in what's going on with me and my broken bird:
"Tailboom, the tribe has spoken. It's time for you to go!"
Now it's just a question of seeing if I can find the tailboom locally or
not.
Again, I appreciate everyone's thoughts, suggestions, and in particular, the
warnings about what would constitute bad engineering practices. All I know
about these infernal machines is that if you pull back on the stick the
houses get smaller and if you push on it the houses get bigger. So, wish me
(and my pals) luck!
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
? So what's
the deal here? Does the higher octane last longer?
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
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car gas is designed to be used up right away... av gas is designed
diferently and wont degrade ofer time.... there was a 182 that had been
damaged on the ramp where i fly, it had sat for over 8 years.... they put
in a new batery and it fired up right away... they disasembled the carb for
libility reasonss when they put the pland back into service and it was clean
with no deposits.
boyd
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