Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:25 AM - vote (Paul Petty)
2. 05:45 AM - Re: FSII Cover (Bob Bean)
3. 06:20 AM - FireFly Cross Country (Jack & Louise Hart)
4. 06:42 AM - Fw: portable tie downs (Denny Rowe)
5. 07:06 AM - Re: Posting Pictures (bryan green)
6. 07:51 AM - 377 for sale (bryan green)
7. 08:13 AM - Re: FireFly Cross Country (Terry)
8. 08:33 AM - the claw (Paul Petty)
9. 09:37 AM - Re: Fw: portable tie downs (Bob N.)
10. 09:42 AM - Re: Verner 1400 & Powerfin for sale (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
11. 11:08 AM - Kolb list,, verner engines. (N27SB@aol.com)
12. 11:40 AM - Re: vote (jerb)
13. 12:28 PM - scratch-resistant lexan name ? (Jim Gerken)
14. 01:50 PM - Vote (Mike Pierzina)
15. 02:11 PM - Re: vote (Don Gherardini)
16. 02:53 PM - Re: vote (vincenicely)
17. 03:55 PM - Jack's X-Country (Mike Pierzina)
18. 04:17 PM - Re: scratch-resistant lexan name ? (G. Thompson)
19. 04:32 PM - Re: Jack's X-Country (Jack & Louise Hart)
20. 04:33 PM - vote (Paul Petty)
21. 05:06 PM - We're Baaack: Tom , Betty & Val (The Kuffels)
22. 05:21 PM - Re: Plans (LOREN7310@aol.com)
23. 06:58 PM - Re: FSII Cover (Timandjan@aol.com)
24. 07:04 PM - Monument Valley (Larry Bourne)
25. 07:04 PM - Re: vote (Larry Bourne)
26. 07:18 PM - Aileron Counter-balance (James and Cathy Tripp)
27. 07:28 PM - Re: We're Baaack: Tom , Betty & Val (Don Gherardini)
28. 07:32 PM - Re: Aileron Counter-balance (Ken korenek)
29. 07:34 PM - Re: vote (Dan Charter)
30. 07:35 PM - Couldn't have gone to MV anyhow. (David Paule)
31. 07:46 PM - Re: Plans (woody)
32. 08:33 PM - Re: Aileron Counter-balance (Don Gherardini)
33. 08:56 PM - Re: Re: Verner 1400 & Powerfin for sale (Giovanni Day)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Fellow Kolbers,
If we are voting on weather to allow attachments to the list, my vote is no. Not
all of us have the luxury of high speed internet service and with everyone attaching
photos, downloading e-mail from the list could prove to be quite time
consuming. Also the threat of a virus coming through is far greater.
If one wishes to post a photo for instant viewing I suggest doing it this way. Upload the photo to your ISP's server then post the link like this http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Pc100012.jpg easy as pie! All you need to do this is a file transfer protocol program or some where on someone's server like Yahoo.
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Dave, try one of those cheap plastic tablecloths, the ones with the fuzz
on the bottom side. Cheap, disposable and colorful. -BB do not archive
David Paule wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
>
>Any suggestions for a cover for a folded FSII?
>
>How about just for the cockpit and engine area?
>
>Thanks!
>Dave Paule
>FSII, Boulder, CO, in a dusty hangar.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | FireFly Cross Country |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
FireFlyers & Kolbers,
Just reporting a personal best for me. Saturday, I flew a 214 mile round
trip cross country from Perryville, Missouri to Neelyville, Missouri. One of
the fellows in EAA Chapter 453 has a home strip there and was having a
flyin.
From my flight log:
May 15, 2004 - Flights 426,7,8 & 429 - 4 hours 20 minutes - 135:03t, Victor
1+ - 56:03 - burned 10.3 gallons of fuel for and average of 2.38 gph. Flew
from Perryville to Painton, to Neelyville - Jerry Deckard's grass strip, to
Painton and back to Perryville. Not very good visibility on the way down
but a little better on the way back. Had a little tail wind going down.
Tore up a brake at Painton. Grass was too long and it slipped the band off
the drum toward the wheel.
.......
Wore a neck sock, vest, old green hooded sweat shirt, leather jacket gloves,
soft flight helmet and goggles. Air was 55 degrees on the way down and 60 to
65 on the way back at 1,000 agl. Did get a little chilled on the way to
Painton and Neelyville, but no problems on the way home.
A fun day.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Fw: portable tie downs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Kolbers,
Does anyone know the web page or source for portable tiedowns. I was looking for
the titanium ones that an RV builder used to sell and could not find them on
Vans home page, also give me your opinions on which you folks like.
Thanks,
Denny Rowe, Kolb Mk-3, PA
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| Subject: | Re: Posting Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
I personally do not have a problem with the list like it is now. DO NOT
ARCHIVE
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Posting Pictures
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
>
> The Tailwind and Pietenpol lists begged and pleaded to have enclosures
> enabled on the lists. I compromised and enabled jpg,gif,txt,xls,pdf,doc
> filetypes. These are probably pretty safe, I suppose, from a virus
> standpoint. To keep the Archives at a reasonable size, I still preclude
> the enclosures from getting appended to the Archive.
>
> I could enable enclosures on the Kolb-List too, but it will mean that the
> messages will likely be filled with a lot of extra garbage as I am not
able
> to do the same kind of filtering that I can when enclosures are turned
> off. This means that all of the ads and stuff that people's email
> applications attach won't get filtered out.
>
> Its up to you guys.......
>
> Matt Dralle
> Email List Admin
>
>
> At 05:39 AM 5/16/2004 Sunday, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
> >
> >Hey Guys,
> > Does anybody know why "Tailwind list" can attach pictures with
> > their messages , but "Kolb list" can't , unless they go thru Matt....
> > any of you guys got any "PULL" out their...?
> >
> > I'm still waiting for pictures from 9 days ago...
> > It'll probly be another week now,he usually posts them on Sat night....
> >
> >
> > Anybody that would like to see the bracket I made for mounting a
> > single Kuselman strobe...contact me.
> >(their strobe has only a Tab w/one hole...Kinda weak)
> >
> > Gotta Fly...
> > Mike in MN
> >
> > Hey, Where's the New Kolb builder (1/32 radius)....
> >I was just trying to joke around...(the clean finger comment)
> >
> >do not archive
> >
> >---
> >My Web Site:
> >http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
> >
> >
> >Sometimes you just have to take the leap
> >and build your wings on the way down...
> > Gotta Fly...
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Good morning all, Miss Margaret gave the ok for a new engine so, I will have
a Rotax 377, a box, and Culver 66x28 (pusher) prop for sale when I get it back
from Dwight. He will be putting all new seals and gaskets in it. I'm thinking
1500.00
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Cross Country |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
Jack & Louise Hart wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
>
> FireFlyers & Kolbers,
>
> Just reporting a personal best for me. Saturday, I flew a 214 mile round
> trip cross country from Perryville, Missouri to Neelyville, Missouri. One of
> the fellows in EAA Chapter 453 has a home strip there and was having a
> flyin.
>
> >From my flight log:
>
> May 15, 2004 - Flights 426,7,8 & 429 - 4 hours 20 minutes - 135:03t, Victor
> 1+ - 56:03 - burned 10.3 gallons of fuel for and average of 2.38 gph. Flew
> from Perryville to Painton, to Neelyville - Jerry Deckard's grass strip, to
> Painton and back to Perryville. Not very good visibility on the way down
> but a little better on the way back. Had a little tail wind going down.
> Tore up a brake at Painton. Grass was too long and it slipped the band off
> the drum toward the wheel.
> .......
> Wore a neck sock, vest, old green hooded sweat shirt, leather jacket gloves,
> soft flight helmet and goggles. Air was 55 degrees on the way down and 60 to
> 65 on the way back at 1,000 agl. Did get a little chilled on the way to
> Painton and Neelyville, but no problems on the way home.
>
> A fun day.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Jackson, MO
>
> Jack & Louise Hart
> jbhart@ldd.net
>
>
Jack,
Good for you!!! Sounds like you had a great trip and the plane performed well.
Keep us posted,
Terry - FireFly #95
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Denny/Gang
These work great!
http://www.theclaw.com/
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: portable tie downs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Denny,
Here's URL for the best tiedowns you can buy, made by Randy Simpson, on
the FLY-UL list.
http://www.airtimemfg.com/
Bob N.
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| Subject: | Re: Verner 1400 & Powerfin for sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
<< Has anyone put one of these motors on a kolb MKIII recently? If so let me
know what you think. I have a new 582 but may consider selling it if one of
these is better. Thanks everyone. Giovanni Day >>
Giovanni, and Kolbers -
As you've heard me mention before, I have a Verner-1400 on my Mark-3, and I
like it a lot.
Because I was (still am) completely igonorant in the care & feeding of
2-stroke engines, getting a 4-stroke powerplant for my Kolb was my only
option. "Recently" for me means I've been flying it regularly since summer
of 2003. (Flew once in 2002, and was grounded for 6 months due to bent
landing gear and the need to get training in a Kolb, but that's another
story.) I have just under 20 hours so far.
Yes, it's only got 2 cylinders, but it's well-balanced, and vibration is not
a problem. It idles smoothly as low as 800 rpm. Okay - I need to avoid
prolonged operation at btwn 2200-2600 rpm, as this seems to be a resonating
frequency zone, but that's no big deal. It's too slow for flight power, and
too high for ground power settings, so I never operate at those rpms anyway.
Lycomings and Continentals have a similar "no operate" zone because of
resonance.
Plenty of power for my Mark-3, even considering that it is a
70-hp-continuous engine. (You get 80 hp at its max rpm of 5000, but only
for 5 minutes max. Max continuous rpm is 4000, at which you get 70 hp.)
I'm able to maintain level flight as slow as 3200 rpm (2-to-1 prop
reduction). Burns 2 gph at this setting, and airspeed is about 45 mph. At
4000 rpm, I'm seeing about 72 mph. Still in the process of tweaking my prop
pitch for best performance - will be increasing it up to 12 degrees for my
next flight. (Powerfin-72, 3-blades)
You are right - not much knowledge base on Verners here in the US, compared
to Rotax. They are much more popular in Europe, being that they come from
the Czech Republic. But getting parts is not a problem, via the US
distributors in Orlando and Phoenix.
The 1400 is a little heavier than the Rotax-912, by about 20 lbs. The
tradeoff is fewer moving parts and no radiator/coolant to worry about.
(Air-cooled, but it does has an oil cooler.) Uses the same two Bing-64
carbs that are on the 912.
As somebody mentioned, John Williamson tried a Verner in his Kolbra for a
short while last year before he traded it for his 912S. His was a model
133, with gearbox instead of a belt-drive. I think his engine had troubles
idling smoothly, but I do not know the exact nature of his problem (carb,
timing?) Ask John when he returns from Monument Valley.
Sorry for the long-winded response.
But I hope my two cents here helps you in making a decision.
Dennis Kirby
N93DK, in
Cedar Crest, NM
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| Subject: | Kolb list,, verner engines. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In response to: Verner engines
Mike Puhl at Slipstream Industries is well versed on Verner.
www.slipstream.bz
He may be able to answer some direct question. At one point he cautioned me
on the 1400 in that it had some damping bushings that need to carefully be
maintained or sheared prop bolts could occur. He sells both Verner and Rotax so
he should be objective.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Steve Boetto
building MKIII
Kolb Amphib Float project
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
I agree with Paul, I Vote No.
jerb
At 07:22 AM 5/17/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
>
>Fellow Kolbers,
>If we are voting on weather to allow attachments to the list, my vote is
>no. Not all of us have the luxury of high speed internet service and with
>everyone attaching photos, downloading e-mail from the list could prove to
>be quite time consuming. Also the threat of a virus coming through is far
>greater.
>If one wishes to post a photo for instant viewing I suggest doing it this
>way. Upload the photo to your ISP's server then post the link like this
>http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Pc100012.jpg easy as pie! All you
>need to do this is a file transfer protocol program or some where on
>someone's server like Yahoo.
>
>Paul Petty
>Building Ms. Dixie
>Kolbra/912UL/Warp
>www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
>
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | scratch-resistant lexan name ? |
05/17/2004 02:22:52 PM
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken <gerken@us.ibm.com>
What is the name of the best scratch-resistant lexan?
thanks,
Jim
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hey Guys,
You guy don't know how it works....
The only way the picture will go thru ,is if your on the Daily list...not "Digest"....and
you don't have to open the message if you don't want to...
Sounds like were getting alot of NO votes...
My airplane is Built.... I'll be building a trailer now , So I don't care if
it goes one way or the other,
I just thought it worked good in other lists...
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
---do not archive
My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
HI men....
This pic attach allowance....well..I can see both reasons not...and reasons
for....hard for me to vote because I do have a broad band service..but...the
bax is kinda small I think and when I am gone for several days...which is
pretty often...it sometimes gets filled up..(particularly when my sis send
baby pics).....when that happens....my service locks up, and I cannot get in
to it. I have to call my service...and have them delete the entire contents
of the box before It will work again.....This causes me to loose any other
stuff in there....I have asked them if they could selectivly delete
things...so free it up...buit for some reason they cannot.....they must dump
it all.....I never know what I have missed!
so for this reason....even tho I would like to see pics quicker than Matt
can post em....I think I am leaning towards the "no" vote...
but..I wouldnt be upset if majority went either way. If there was some way
to limit the file size....then it might be just fine.
This is still the best and most informative list I belong to...with the
least problems and best service.
(waiting on parts from London now)
Don Gherardini
OEM.Sales / Engineering dept.
American Honda Engines
Power Equipment Company
CortLand, Illinois
800-626-7326
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "vincenicely" <vincenicely@chartertn.net>
I vote no too.
Matt, some groups actually have a process to get a vote on issues of the
group. The benefit, it seems to me, of getting an actual vote by a
systematic process is that the group's real average opinion comes out as
compared to only the vocal ones. Any chance you would want to and could
easily cause a voting process where people could easily vote yes/no/do not
care on this and other questions that you might want to know the group's
opinion?
Vince Nicely
FireStarII 325 hour
----- Original Message -----
From: "jerb" <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: vote
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>
> I agree with Paul, I Vote No.
> jerb
>
> At 07:22 AM 5/17/04 -0500, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
> >
> >Fellow Kolbers,
> >If we are voting on weather to allow attachments to the list, my vote is
> >no. Not all of us have the luxury of high speed internet service and with
> >everyone attaching photos, downloading e-mail from the list could prove
to
> >be quite time consuming. Also the threat of a virus coming through is far
> >greater.
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| Subject: | Jack's X-Country |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hey Jack,
Sounds like a BLAST ! GPS or Plotage ?
I'm getting closer...Building done...Still alot to do before it gets in the
air...
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
do not archive
SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
FireFlyers & Kolbers,
Just reporting a personal best for me. Saturday, I flew a 214 mile round
trip cross country from Perryville, Missouri to Neelyville, Missouri. One of
the fellows in EAA Chapter 453 has a home strip there and was having a
flyin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
---
My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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| Subject: | Re: scratch-resistant lexan name ? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "G. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
This is not an answer to your question but here we are.
I am reporting on the Monument Valley fly in.
John Williamson was the last Kolb to have wheels up. He and John Hawk were
heading South in loose formation toward Gallup New Mexico where they were
going to go there separate ways. Wheels up was 8.15 Utah time.
Az Dave and I ( Bald Eagle) left the camp ground at 9.36 and arrived at
our home in Az at 2.30 Az time. The winds were rather gusty and I am sure
the boys flying out this morning were in for a bumpy ride
To all who were there, I really enjoyed meeting each of you. To those
of you who were not able to attend, I am Soooo sorry. There is not a greater
group of people to be associate with. Each of learned many things and at
times the (Stuff) was quite deep but we loved it.
To Boyde Young, thanks for the hop. You have a beautiful Kolb. It was a
pleasure meeting you.
We even got "Big Lar" to promise that he would bring Vamoose next year.
We shall see.
I am sure next year is a go. The facilities there are first rate and
very handy. Start now to make your plans. I don't have the numbers now of
how many people and Kolb's were there but John Williamson will post them
when he gets home.
George. Az. Bald Eagle
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Gerken" <gerken@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: scratch-resistant lexan name ?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken <gerken@us.ibm.com>
>
> What is the name of the best scratch-resistant lexan?
>
> thanks,
> Jim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jack's X-Country |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
Mike,
With a five gallon tank, it is always gps.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
At 06:52 PM 5/17/04 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
>
>Hey Jack,
>
> Sounds like a BLAST ! GPS or Plotage ?
>
> I'm getting closer...Building done...Still alot to do before it gets in the
air...
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN
>
> do not archive
>
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
I don't want to start an argument here. However I like this list and I'm on a crappy
dial up connection and will most likely be this way forever due to logistics.
Also I have been a list member for going on three years now and never received
a virus from any list members that post to it. I just feel that if Matt
unleashes the list for photo attachments in e-mails to the list I will have to
sit and wait for hours for it to download. I have learned that most all of us
are so proud of our aircraft and doing this would make my getting a post to
the list a very time consuming ordeal. Us Kolbers are very trigger happy with
photos I will be the first to admit this! Like I said before, if you want to share
a photo instantly upload it some where. Create a link to it. And place it
in the e-mail to the list.The list will allow a link and if someone wants to
look at it they can click on it or skip the subject all together! Now if it's
a subject that needs to be in the archives I say use the PhotoShare that Matt
has given us. When I sought information about Kolb aircraft in the beginning,
I used this allot! And I say if you want to promote Kolb aircraft, as I do, update
your websites so that folks that come here and to your web sites and can
read updated information on how your flying Kolb aircraft or building Kolb aircraft
is going. I think of it this way. We all love our Kolb's. I know I do and
mine is still in the OR! I feel that we as builders/pilots of Kolb aircraft
need to support the company because if we don't, we may not have TNK in the
future when we (and I am sure I will) need them. :-)
I will be glad when all the Monument Valley troopers return and give reports. This
is what I live for these days.
I read today where a Vans RV6 collapsed it's landing gear at MV over the weekend.
Wonder if he was under attack from a Kolbra!
Well it's off to Ms.Dixie for some tube sealing and inventory. Gezzz guys sure
got a shop full of stuff... Reckon I will ever finish?
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
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| Subject: | We're Baaack: Tom , Betty & Val |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: The Kuffels <kuffel@cyberport.net>
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Hope everyone at Monument Valley had a blast, and that the rest of us
have just a much fun reading about it in the future.
Short report on our status. Flew south through Lost Trail Pass on the
Montana-Idaho border as a group of 3 planes to spend the weekend at
Jackpot, Wendover, etc. Found the weather south of the pass was not
flyable so we decided to return to Missoula. As the pilot in the back I
lost track of the others. In looking for them didn't notice my manifold
pressure was dropping (carb ice on a constant speed prop). Was also
descending to get under the clouds right at the pass. Just before
crossing I figured out I needed more power. Pushing in the throttle
resulted in complete loss of power. 4 to 8 seconds later we were on the
ground groaning and moaning.
The pass summit is a tall ridge. I was able to put the plane in a very
steep left turn, losing a lot of altitude in the process but impacted
the trees more or less parallel to the ridge face.
We were trapped in the airplane but I don't know of any other homebuilt
structure which would have survived a 100 mph impact with the trees and
ground. Injuries were extensive and we would not have survived the
night. Fortunately, the Salmon, ID ground rescue folks were well
prepared and with the help of COSPAS, FAA, MT Search and Rescue as well
as the Salmon, ID 9-1-1 (via Verison cell phone) things went well. They
got to us in a lightning quick 6 hours.
Our dog Val stayed with us until rescue arrived. She even helped lead
them to us. (50 feet away they still couldn't see the wreck site) But
when the snowmobiles started to haul us out of the woods she bolted and
wouldn't come back. After 10 days searching by over 100 volunteers she
finally came to a tape in a car playing Betty and my voices calling her.
So we are all together even if Betty is on crutches and I'm in a
hospital bed or wheel chair. Even though the plane is destroyed we are
looking forward to being active enough to host the Great Alaska Kolb
Fly-All on their departure July 1.
Take care and enjoy every day, we will,
Tom, Betty and Valkyrie Kuffel
Whitefish, MT Really building original FireStar now
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: LOREN7310@aol.com
I hope that I have not been late responding. I thought I came back a few
days ago. What I have is a damaged mk11, the boom and spars and landing gear.
What are the lengths of each? I purchased the boom and spar from Kolb recently
but doubt they are cut to proper lengths.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
I had an upholster make me a custom cover for the engine and cockpit, the
same person that did my interior. Great for trailering and to keep the dust out
of the cockpit while in the hangar.
Expensive but nice.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Thanks to George for a great report on our weekend. Many of us arrived on Friday,
(I think a couple were even there on Thurs) so it gave us over 2 full days
for getting acquainted and re-acquainted, shoveling tons of B.S., many flights,
many pictures, and on and on. It was at least the equal of last year, and
I'm already looking forward to next year. Did I ever catch it for not
bringing Vamoose. It was tempting, and Vamoose is fly-able, but the legal stuff
isn't done yet for the FAA, and I didn't want to chance being caught. Next
year, George - Promise ! ! ! (Have I said that before ??)
I'm camped now in Williams, AZ, and worrying about our intrepid flyers who left
MV this morning. I don't know what the weather that John H., and John W. are
running into is like, since they flew east, but Boyd Young had planned on flying
south to Kayenta, AZ, then west to Page, AZ, and over to I-15 north...............just
the way I came, up to Page, where I turned south. The winds have
been very strong and blustery all day, and I hope he didn't run into any problems.
I'll sure be waiting for reports from those guys.
Best wishes to all, and thanks to something close to 30 people for a terrific weekend.
Laid Back Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
My inclination - surprise, surprise - is to go with the pictures, but I
hafta take the feelings of people like Paul into account, and his concerns
are valid. I'm very active on the Nikon Talk Forum at DPReview.com, where
you can post a picture by publishing it to a website, then entering the URL
on your message. That's fine, but the guys on dial-up modems protest pretty
strongly - with good cause - when some yo-yo publishes an enormous
multi-megabyte file..........even tho' you have to click the message to open
it. Trouble is, you might want to see the picture, but there's no way to
tell how large the file is.
I think it might make everyone happy if there could be a way to show the
file size BEFORE you open it; i.e. - attachment 75 kb, or attachment 350
kb., etc. Each individual could then make an informed decision on whether
or not to open it. Is that possible ?? On the photo forum, it IS nice to
be able to see the pics on the spot, as you're talking about a subject.
Let's hear from the experts..........can it be done ?? Big Lar.
P.S. - Do you know the definition of an expert ?? An ex is a has-been, and
a spurt is a little drip under pressure. :-)
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "vincenicely" <vincenicely@chartertn.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: vote
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "vincenicely" <vincenicely@chartertn.net>
>
> I vote no too.
>
> Matt, some groups actually have a process to get a vote on issues of the
> group. The benefit, it seems to me, of getting an actual vote by a
> systematic process is that the group's real average opinion comes out as
> compared to only the vocal ones. Any chance you would want to and could
> easily cause a voting process where people could easily vote yes/no/do not
> care on this and other questions that you might want to know the group's
> opinion?
>
> Vince Nicely
> FireStarII 325 hour
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jerb" <ulflyer@verizon.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: vote
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
> >
> > I agree with Paul, I Vote No.
> > jerb
> >
> > At 07:22 AM 5/17/04 -0500, you wrote:
> > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
> > >
> > >Fellow Kolbers,
> > >If we are voting on weather to allow attachments to the list, my vote
is
> > >no. Not all of us have the luxury of high speed internet service and
with
> > >everyone attaching photos, downloading e-mail from the list could prove
> to
> > >be quite time consuming. Also the threat of a virus coming through is
far
> > >greater.
>
>
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| Subject: | Aileron Counter-balance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp" <jtripp@elmore.rr.com>
While trying to add the counter-balance weights to my ailerons the other day, I
discovered I didn't have enough weight material to bring the aileron to the neutral
position. Right now it looks like I need another couple of inches of weight.
Is the bottom of the wing suppose to be level before trying to adjust the
weights? Has anyone else had this problem? I built the ailerons with 90 degree
bends on all the ribs to get a smooth trailing edge but I didn't think it would
add all that much to the overall weight. What do you think?
James Tripp, FSII
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| Subject: | Re: We're Baaack: Tom , Betty & Val |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Tom,
I was so very sorry to hear of your misfortune..but I am overjoyed at your
recovery prospects, and your up-beat attitude!
God bless you and Betty, For the most important thing is you are still with
us, and we are all very thankful!
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098 (bent and waiting on parts)
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Counter-balance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ken korenek <kkorenek@comcast.net>
James,
I had to add weight to mine, too. Had to get rods about 4 inches
longer than was supplied, just like what you are describing.
I built my ailerons with out the "Homer Hump" and think they look a lot
better with smooth edges.
Haven't had a lick of trouble in almost 100 hrs of flying.
Ken
James and Cathy Tripp wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp" <jtripp@elmore.rr.com>
>
>While trying to add the counter-balance weights to my ailerons the other day,
I discovered I didn't have enough weight material to bring the aileron to the
neutral position. Right now it looks like I need another couple of inches of weight.
Is the bottom of the wing suppose to be level before trying to adjust the
weights? Has anyone else had this problem? I built the ailerons with 90 degree
bends on all the ribs to get a smooth trailing edge but I didn't think it
would add all that much to the overall weight. What do you think?
>
>James Tripp, FSII
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
I vote no.
lndc
----- Original Message -----
From: "jerb" <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: vote
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>
> I agree with Paul, I Vote No.
> jerb
>
> At 07:22 AM 5/17/04 -0500, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
> >
> >Fellow Kolbers,
> >If we are voting on weather to allow attachments to the list, my vote is
> >no. Not all of us have the luxury of high speed internet service and with
> >everyone attaching photos, downloading e-mail from the list could prove
to
> >be quite time consuming. Also the threat of a virus coming through is far
> >greater.
> >If one wishes to post a photo for instant viewing I suggest doing it this
> >way. Upload the photo to your ISP's server then post the link like this
> >http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Pc100012.jpg easy as pie! All you
> >need to do this is a file transfer protocol program or some where on
> >someone's server like Yahoo.
> >
> >Paul Petty
> >Building Ms. Dixie
> >Kolbra/912UL/Warp
> >www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
> >
> >do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Couldn't have gone to MV anyhow. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
When I was asked to commit to the Monument Valley event a few weeks ago, I
declined. After all, I was only mildly interested, and there was another
unrelated event that might occur then that I wanted to be open for.
So you can imagine my amusement when on the 15th, right in the middle of the
MV event that I skipped, I bought a Firestar. I couldn't have gone there
anyway - I was busy checking out and buying the FSII.
Funny the way things work out.
Dave Paule
Boulder, CO
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Those measurements I gave were for an original Twinstar with 5" boom and
spars. Can't help you with the Mk 2 sizes but a little care measuring the
old parts should be accurate enough ( if you still have them.) Your're
building an airplane not a watch.
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: LOREN7310@aol.com
>
> I hope that I have not been late responding. I thought I came back a few
> days ago. What I have is a damaged mk11, the boom and spars and landing
gear.
> What are the lengths of each? I purchased the boom and spar from Kolb
recently
> but doubt they are cut to proper lengths.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Counter-balance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Jim...
Search the archive about this....I asked the same question when I made
mine....
I do know this...that any counter-balance forse you add, will raise the
"flutter envelope speed" so to speak...so a little is better than
none...even if you dont get them 100%balanced..
Also, I know from my GA expierience, that seldom are the control surfaces on
any certificated craft 100% balanced...
I had 2 fellas in my shop during the building phase that were very
expierienced in aircraft manufacturer...abiet not quite out types...both old
college chums ..one still with McDonnell Douglas...(ya....almost 30
years!)..and the other built Merlin Metroliners, untill the plane in San
Antoine closed..
from those 2 fellas...I learned that the ailerons on a F-4 Phantom are
balanced to 70 %...and the Merlin to 40%
I chose 50% for my firefly based on the help and advice from these friends,
whom infact, when fooling around with the control surfaces, and the tubes I
had made..(but not yet filled with weight)..that they had concerns for the
weight of the forces on the hinges with weight to come up to more than
50%...and the trailing edge attachpoints....
Dunno if it was the right way or not....!
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098...(bent and awaiting parts)
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
...
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| Subject: | Re: Verner 1400 & Powerfin for sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Dennis,
Thanks for that great info. I am getting very close to finishing my
MKIII and have decided to keep the new blue head 582 for now. I do not
want the extra work of trying to change them out being so close to
finishing. I cannot deal with another delay. I have to purchase a prop,
cover the wings and go fly. Well I am trying to get the N number thing
out of the way at the moment also. I purchased this kit from someone who
purchased it from the old Kolb factory and he has lost the original bill
of sale. If I read it correct, I have to provide the whole chain of
ownership. What a drag!!! Does anyone out there have an extra bill of
sale from the old Kolb company?? Ha ha just kidding. I do not know what
to do now. Thanks again for your input.
Giovanni Day
MKIII needing a bill of sale!
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