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1. 02:04 AM - Monument Valley Pics (Larry Bourne)
2. 02:12 AM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 Kolb Gathering (Larry Bourne)
3. 02:20 AM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 Kolb Gathering (Larry Bourne)
4. 02:41 AM - I'm OK, bird is bent, very thankful (BICUM@aol.com)
5. 04:28 AM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 Kolb Gathering (Bob Bean)
6. 04:39 AM - Re: I'm OK, bird is bent, very thankful (Fackler, Ken)
7. 04:47 AM - (no subject) (Icrashrc@aol.com)
8. 05:29 AM - Re: I'm OK, bird is bent, very thankful (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
9. 05:38 AM - Photo Hosting (Doug Lawton)
10. 06:21 AM - Flying in fog (Paul Petty)
11. 06:25 AM - Monument Valley (John Willamson)
12. 06:27 AM - I'm Home (John Willamson)
13. 06:27 AM - Re: Monument Valley Pics (Bob Dalton)
14. 06:49 AM - Re: Re: Monument Valley 2004 Kolb Gathering (jhauck@elmore.rr.com)
15. 06:54 AM - My Apologies (John Willamson)
16. 07:03 AM - Re: I'm OK, bird is bent, very thankful (Christopher Armstrong)
17. 08:03 AM - Re: Monument Valley 2004 Kolb Gathering (Larry Bourne)
18. 08:10 AM - Re: (no subject) (Larry Bourne)
19. 08:21 AM - Re: (no subject) (JIM HEFNER)
20. 08:22 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 52 Msgs - 05/18/04 (PaulServaty@aol.com)
21. 08:35 AM - Re: Monument Valley Pics (Larry Bourne)
22. 08:42 AM - Re: Verner 1400 & Powerfin for sale (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
23. 08:49 AM - Monument Valley (Larry Cottrell)
24. 09:23 AM - Re: Aileron Counter-balance (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
25. 09:41 AM - Re: oil temps tooo low??!! (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
26. 09:56 AM - tell ur people to stop sending me these stuff (anthony tatum)
27. 12:14 PM - Re: Monument Valley Pics (Larry Bourne)
28. 02:54 PM - TNK website inaccessible (Thom Riddle)
29. 03:23 PM - Re: TNK website inaccessible (Paul Petty)
30. 03:31 PM - Re: Monument Valley Pics (Paul Petty)
31. 04:37 PM - Re: TNK website inaccessible (bryan green)
32. 04:44 PM - Re: TNK website inaccessible (FlyColt45@aol.com)
33. 04:53 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 52 Msgs - 05/18/04 (Terry)
34. 05:05 PM - Re: TNK website inaccessible (bryan green)
35. 05:15 PM - Re: TNK website inaccessible (FlyColt45@aol.com)
36. 05:33 PM - Re: Monument Valley Pics (Larry Bourne)
37. 07:51 PM - Re: Monument Valley Pics (G. Thompson)
38. 08:04 PM - Re: Monument Valley Pics (Edward Chmielewski)
39. 08:06 PM - Re: Monument Valley Pics (Larry Bourne)
40. 09:15 PM - Re: Monument Valley Pics (Larry Bourne)
41. 09:47 PM - Maps (Larry Bourne)
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| Subject: | Monument Valley Pics |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Got started on this and couldn't stop...........or didn't think to stop. Man,
the time went fast, and I can't believe it's 2:00 AM. I don't do this ! ! !
Gonna be zapped tomorrow, but that's all right. I got a preliminary page finished
with MV stuff on it, and a bit on the Antelope Canyon slot canyon. Thanks
to John Clayton for strongly recommending I go for that tour, when I'd about
decided (on wrong information) to cancel out on it. My camera died right at
the end of the slot canyon adventure, so I had to cancel out of the 1/2 day float
trip on the Colorado River till next time. Meanwhile, here's the new webpage.
Enjoy ..................:
http://www.flyingpics.homestead.com/monument04.html .
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 Kolb Gathering |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Hey, John, I think we need a new category for Will. How about "longest
distance traveled ??" I believe he also traveled from El Paso with
Dave.............heck of a journey. Lar. Do
not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <WillUribe@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004 Kolb Gathering
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
>
> For the record, on Friday I flew from Buffalo, NY to attend the Monument
> Valley Gathering over the weekend then flew back on Monday.
> Those were long flights but it was worth attending.
>
> Regards,
> Will Uribe
> El Paso, TX but working in Buffalo, NY
> FireStar II N4GU
> C-172 N2506U
> http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
> do not archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Willamson"
<kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
> To: "Kolb-List@Matronics. Com" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004 Kolb Gathering
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Willamson"
<kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
> >
> > The 2004 event is now in the bag.
> >
> > We had 33 people participate. (Last year we had 12)
> > We had 7 aircraft fly to the event. (Last year we had 5)
> > We had 4 aircraft that were trailed to the event. (Last year we had 3)
> >
> > The winners of our event categories were:
> > Youngest Participant: Kendall Weaver, 8 years
> > Most Experienced Participant: George Thompson
> > Shortest Distance to Drive Participant: Bob Thompson, 275 miles
> > Longest Distance to Drive Participants: Karen and Larry Cottrell,
1050.7> > Best Looking Kolb at the Event: John Hauck, Kolb MarkIII, Miss
P'Fer.
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 Kolb Gathering |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Will, it's not all that far to Rochester from Buffalo............you might
give Bob Bean a call...................?? Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <WillUribe@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004 Kolb Gathering
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
>
> For the record, on Friday I flew from Buffalo, NY to attend the Monument
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| Subject: | I'm OK, bird is bent, very thankful |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: BICUM@aol.com
Hello list,
Just wanted to let everyone know that I'm OK. Several people have called and
checked on me. I was kinda amazed how fast word got out. John H called me
on my way home the very next day (thanks Paul P.). For a second I thought John
H had a laptop and a satellite connection in Miss P'fer.
Nothing to say but I screwed up. Let myself get trapped on top of ground fog
which started developing at the end of my first leg. This is turn led to
fuel starvation and an off-field landing. It was complicated by a descent through
~ 900 ft of fog (0 visibility) and popping out 200 - 300 AGL. I'm an
official FAA incident/accident. Just a series of small decisions that I let put
me in
a bad situation. I always thought I was a better and safer pilot than that.
It is scary how easy it is to let "getthereitis" put you in a bad situatuion.
Never thought it would happen to me but it sure did.
The details of the story are kinda long. If interested in learning from my
mistakes, let me know and I'll write a detailed chain of events. I'll have to
check the list rules about length of post. It scared the heck out me.
Depending on your religious orientation, I was very, very lucky or GOD stepped
in and
flew for a while. It kinda looks like He handed the controls back to me at
about flare time. That is when the plane got bent. Blew out the landing gear
and bent some tubes in the cage. For those that don't know, there is basically
no flare during an engine out.
The important stuff -
Didn't hurt anyone else or damage anyone else's property.
I walked away without a scratch (except the briars in the hayfield).
Landed in the hayfield of some truly nice Texas farm folk.
I'm here to write this note and can attend my daughter graduation from USAF
basic training.
I won't be able to respond for a few days. We are leaving in just a couple
of hours for Lackland AFB in San Antonio to see my youngest daughter graduate
from basic.
I'm truly sorry that I let this happen. I let my family down and put a bit
of a black mark on the flying community. My deepest apologies.
Thanks to everyone for checking on me and showing so much concern. I hope
everyone had a great time in MV. Wish I could have been there, but am thankful
that I'm just here.
Thanks & be careful,
John Bickham
St. Francisville, LA
Kolb Mark III Classic - 912
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 Kolb Gathering |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
I'd love to host any lister but......heading to Bangor, Maine for a 49th
fighter squadron
reunion. -on wheels unfortunately. -BB, ex "voodoo medicine man" do
not archive
Larry Bourne wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
>Will, it's not all that far to Rochester from Buffalo............you might
>give Bob Bean a call...................?? Lar.
>Do not Archive.
>
>Larry Bourne
>Palm Springs, CA
>Building Kolb Mk III
>N78LB Vamoose
>www.gogittum.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <WillUribe@aol.com>
>To: <kolb-list-digest@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004 Kolb Gathering
>
>
>
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
>>
>>For the record, on Friday I flew from Buffalo, NY to attend the Monument
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I'm OK, bird is bent, very thankful |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
I'm glad to hear that you're all right. Please, if you will, do post your
experience detail so that we can continue to learn from each other here on
the list.
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
----- Original Message -----
From: <BICUM@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: I'm OK, bird is bent, very thankful
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: BICUM@aol.com
>
> Hello list,
>
> Just wanted to let everyone know that I'm OK. Several people have called
and
> checked on me. I was kinda amazed how fast word got out. John H called
me
> on my way home the very next day (thanks Paul P.). For a second I thought
John
> H had a laptop and a satellite connection in Miss P'fer.
>
> Nothing to say but I screwed up. Let myself get trapped on top of ground
fog
> which started developing at the end of my first leg. This is turn led to
> fuel starvation and an off-field landing. It was complicated by a descent
through
> ~ 900 ft of fog (0 visibility) and popping out 200 - 300 AGL. I'm an
> official FAA incident/accident. Just a series of small decisions that I
let put me in
> a bad situation. I always thought I was a better and safer pilot than
that.
> It is scary how easy it is to let "getthereitis" put you in a bad
situatuion.
> Never thought it would happen to me but it sure did.
>
> The details of the story are kinda long. If interested in learning from
my
> mistakes, let me know and I'll write a detailed chain of events. I'll have
to
> check the list rules about length of post. It scared the heck out me.
> Depending on your religious orientation, I was very, very lucky or GOD
stepped in and
> flew for a while. It kinda looks like He handed the controls back to me at
> about flare time. That is when the plane got bent. Blew out the landing
gear
> and bent some tubes in the cage. For those that don't know, there is
basically
> no flare during an engine out.
>
> The important stuff -
> Didn't hurt anyone else or damage anyone else's property.
> I walked away without a scratch (except the briars in the hayfield).
> Landed in the hayfield of some truly nice Texas farm folk.
> I'm here to write this note and can attend my daughter graduation from
USAF
> basic training.
> I won't be able to respond for a few days. We are leaving in just a
couple
> of hours for Lackland AFB in San Antonio to see my youngest daughter
graduate
> from basic.
>
> I'm truly sorry that I let this happen. I let my family down and put a
bit
> of a black mark on the flying community. My deepest apologies.
>
> Thanks to everyone for checking on me and showing so much concern. I hope
> everyone had a great time in MV. Wish I could have been there, but am
thankful
> that I'm just here.
>
> Thanks & be careful,
>
> John Bickham
> St. Francisville, LA
> Kolb Mark III Classic - 912
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Icrashrc@aol.com
Big Lar,
I sure would like to email Jim direct regarding his pictures.
Would you have his email address as I don't see it on the site you've
recommended. Thanks,
Scott Thompson
Time: 11:13:31 PM PST US
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Fw: MV Pictures
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Jim Hefner was kind enuf to send me a link to some of the early pictures from
last
weekend, and has given me permission to publish the link on the
List......................
www.gogittum.comhttp://groups.msn.com/HefnerFamilySite/monumentvalley2004.msnw
These are great pictures, and I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of them,
as
he publishes them. I think his method might be a way for others to solve the
current controversy, and provide a way to quickly publish pictures to the
List.
I'm working on mine, but doubt if I'll get them published tonight.
Bob Dalton took a bunch of very nice pics while there, too, and I'd sure
like to see some of them. Bob.........?? Big Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
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| Subject: | Re: I'm OK, bird is bent, very thankful |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
John,
Great to hear that you're ok and survived a really dangerous and scary
experience. I think it'd be good to get the details on the list so we can
all learn from it. I damaged my MK III a couple of months ago - relatively
minor - and it was bad judgement on my part - "No excuse Sir!" But, a month
after it happened I read an article about the added hazards of landing on a
down hill slope. Had I read that article beforehand, I may have made
different decisions.
Again, really happy to know you survived a really bad situation.
AzDave
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <BICUM@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: I'm OK, bird is bent, very thankful
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: BICUM@aol.com
>
> Hello list,
>
> Just wanted to let everyone know that I'm OK. Several people have called
and
> checked on me. The details of the story are kinda long. If interested
in learning from my
> mistakes, let me know and I'll write a detailed chain of events. >
> Thanks & be careful,
>
> John Bickham
> St. Francisville, LA
> Kolb Mark III Classic - 912
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
Hello To All,
And congratulations to all of you who've made the MV trip and back safely,
condolences to those who didn't ;
( And thanks to those that have posted
pictures already. Can't wait to see more !!!!
For posting photos on the net, to the list already mentioned by George and
others, I'd like to add www.ofoto.com . It's a Kodak company, and if
memory serves me, I think they used to have something to do with picture
taking.......;
)
They allow you to build a photo album, put captions on each photo, rearrange
the photos in relation to each other, upload multiple photos at one time,
and it's all free. On top of that, if you decide you'd like a printed
greeting card, a calendar, or a blowup of the print, etc. they can make that
for you as well for a reasonable price.
I built one album documenting the entire building process of our new hangar
at Matthews Field near Whitwell TN. 134 photos and growing.
See
http://www.ofoto.com/BrowsePhotos.jsp?&collid=59857436403&page=1&sort_order=0
But the nice thing is, it's fairly fast loading with all thumbnail sized
pics, and if you want to see the full sized image and read the caption, just
click on it.
I've also started one detailing the build process of my current project
(that the wife insists I finish before starting on a Kolb). It's a Europa
Motorglider.
See:
http://www.ofoto.com/BrowsePhotos.jsp?&collid=53153828403&page=1&sort_order=0
I'm actually a lot further along on the build process than I am on the
posting of the pictures to this last one.
Anyway, sorry for being so long winded. Hope this helps folks to share
their ideas. It's not very hard, I mean if I can do it.................
Safe Flying
Doug Lawton
NE Georgia & Whitwell TN
Do Not Archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
John,
I am so glad to hear your ok.I read the NTSB reports each morning mainly to see
if there is anything I can learn from some of the mishaps. When I read "Kolb"
I felt an chill go up my spine as almost like a brother was in danger. I ran
your N number to find out it was you. The preliminary reports are rather sketchy
and indicated the mishap was non fatal. I was happy to read that but wondered
if you refueled and proceeded on or suffered damage and had to call it a day.
I phoned John Hauck to let him know you had had a problem.
Please post the details of your experience with the fog and how you handled the
situation. I feel that we all can learn from it.I have no doubt the big man upstairs
was a player, but you must have had cat like reflexes to safely walk away
from that one! Glad to hear that only the aircraft was damaged. If I can
help in anyway let me know.
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Willamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Dear Eve,
Dave has explained your situation and why you had to miss the get together.
I am one of many who really missed the better half of the Pelletier family.
Sure hope to see you there next year.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 597 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Willamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Hi Dave,
Had to drop you a note and say thanks for all the support at Monument
Valley. It is folks like you that make me start planning for next year's
get together now.
I sent Eve a not, but please tell her she was missed.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 597 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley Pics |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob Dalton" <wiserguy@comcast.net>
Big Lar, Jim Hefner and all:
Really enjoyed your posting of your MV pics so quickly, Jim and Lar. I need
to establish a way to share mine as I do not have a place to do so at this
time. I am still resting up from the long drive home. To everyone who
attended the MV gathering, I want to thank you all for taking a non-flyer
(at the time) into your group and making me feel at home. I saw and rode in
some beautiful aircraft and met some incredibly talented and kind people,
WOW what an experience. Thank you Boyd Young for my first Kolb ride and "not
getting a heart attack" he tried to scare me but it didn't work, because I
would have flown the thing. And John Williamson for my first Kolbra ride,
what a great plane and pilot. And John Hauck for the ride offer in another
beautiful aircraft, "man Miss Pfer looks beautiful flying" but had just
climbed out of John Williamson's Kolbra and others were still waiting for
their first rides. Once again thanks to all for a memorable weekend and the
establishment of some great new friendships. To those who could not attend,
please try to attend 2005', you will not regret it!
Bob Dalton
Manteca, CA
(do not archive)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Pics
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Got started on this and couldn't stop...........or didn't think to stop.
Man, the time went fast, and I can't believe it's 2:00 AM. I don't do this
! ! ! Gonna be zapped tomorrow, but that's all right. I got a preliminary
page finished with MV stuff on it, and a bit on the Antelope Canyon slot
canyon. Thanks to John Clayton for strongly recommending I go for that
tour, when I'd about decided (on wrong information) to cancel out on it. My
camera died right at the end of the slot canyon adventure, so I had to
cancel out of the 1/2 day float trip on the Colorado River till next time.
Meanwhile, here's the new webpage. Enjoy ..................:
>
> http://www.flyingpics.homestead.com/monument04.html .
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> N78LB Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 Kolb Gathering |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jhauck@elmore.rr.com
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connections to near broadband speed. Reccomended by Web2Mail
> For the record, on Friday I flew from Buffalo, NY to attend the Monument
> Valley Gathering over the weekend then flew back on Monday.
> Those were long flights but it was worth attending.
>
> Regards,
> Will Uribe
Hi Will/Gang:
Based on your flights to MV, Will should be the winner of the longest flight to
attend the flyin, not me. :-)
Will be departing Albuquerque, NM, in a couple hours, headed for Gantt IAP by the
most direct route. Going to have a good tailwind all day today. The weather
guesser on local TV indicated today would be breezy early and windy late.
Out here that means the winds will be howling all day.
The MKIII and 912S have been doing good since I left Alabama Monday before last.
Yesterday was a record breaking flight for her. With full fuel, 25 gals (150
lbs), my nephew (225+ lbs), me (185 lbs), a case of MRE's up in the nose cone(probably
25 lbs, a WAG), a couple quarts of oil, tent, air mattress, and some
other extra junk I failed to unload before we took off at 5,830 feet AGL on
a hot afternoon with gusting winds. Have no idea what the D/A was. We did a
one hour tour of the Albuquerque area, at one time climbing to 9,000+ feet.
After we landed I was showing Mike the "Pilot Log" feature in the Garmin 196.
I pulled up our flight which indicated .8 hours, 68 miles, local flight, and
two landings. At first I only remembered taking off one time. Then I remembered
we had a little problem on initial takeoff. I got a little impatient, tried
to pull Miss P'fer off the ground before she was entirely ready to fly. She
flew through ground effect a little sluggish. Once
on the other side of ground effect it was her idea to land, not mine. She wobbled
back down, barely touching the runway with her left gear before gaining
the required amount of airspeed and climbing on out of the airport.
There is a lot of learning to be had by a sea level pilot flying off a mile high
plus runway. Several of us flat landers learned a few lessons on this trip.
Glad everyone has gotten home safely. I hope to make it by tomorrow some time.
Take care and leave the List alone please. :-)
john h
MKIII - 2025.9 hours
912S - 680.0
PS: I have had an annoying oil leak, although slight, since sometime day one.
I have not had to add but a pint of oil on day two, but it continues to leak
and make a mess on the engine and airframe. To look at the oil residue on the
airplane one would think I am adding a quart of oil after each flight leg. hehehe
The leak is at the fuel pump gasket, which has been removed several times
to work on the gear box.
PSS: Talked to Tom Kuffel, himself, yesterday. He is home and behaving himself.
Betty sees to that. He was in good spirits despite all the hardships they
both have been through recently. Tom and Betty were a special part of our flyin
last year, and were sorely missed at this year's successful event. Ya'll
get well soon.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Willamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Fellow Kolb Listers,
I am truly sorry for the previous two post that I sent to the List.
These were meant as direct, off list emails and I didn't double check the
"To" address.
Again, I'm sorry and will try not to make this mistake again.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 597 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
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| Subject: | I'm OK, bird is bent, very thankful |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
Glad you were able to get down through the fog without getting disoriented,
that is very scary!
Why don't you have the ability to flair engine out? That is definitely not
how the airplane should be rigged. Were you particularly nose heavy on this
flight? Did you get real slow? The design requirement for sizing the
elevator is the ability to flare on landing at forward cg... I haven't heard
that as a problem on Kolb's. If you're going really slow of course that
would explain it.
Good to here you walked away unharmed, hope the plane goes back together
easily.
Topher
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BICUM@aol.com
Subject: Kolb-List: I'm OK, bird is bent, very thankful
--> Kolb-List message posted by: BICUM@aol.com
Hello list,
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2004 Kolb Gathering |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Now that I'm thinking of that area, there's a Cherokee pilot/lurker named
Thom something in (near) Buffalo. I stopped and said hello to him last
summer. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004 Kolb Gathering
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Will, it's not all that far to Rochester from Buffalo............you might
> give Bob Bean a call...................?? Lar.
> Do not Archive.
> >
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I forwarded your message to Jim. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <Icrashrc@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: (no subject)
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Icrashrc@aol.com
>
>
> Big Lar,
> I sure would like to email Jim direct regarding his pictures.
> Would you have his email address as I don't see it on the site you've
> recommended. Thanks,
>
> Scott Thompson
>
> Time: 11:13:31 PM PST US
> From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Fw: MV Pictures
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Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 19 May 2004 08:19:05 -0700
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JIM HEFNER" <HEFNER_JIM@msn.com>
Scott and others on the list with questions about my website,
Feel free to contact me direct at hefner_jim@msn.com<mailto:hefner_jim@msn.com>
do not archive
Jim Hefner
Tucson, AZ
FF #022 447 w/165hrs
From: <Icrashrc@aol.com<mailto:Icrashrc@aol.com>>
Subject: Kolb-List: (no subject)
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Icrashrc@aol.com<mailto:Icrashrc@aol.com>
>
>
> Big Lar,
> I sure would like to email Jim direct regarding his pictures.
> Would you have his email address as I don't see it on the site you've
> recommended. Thanks,
>
> Scott Thompson
>
> Time: 11:13:31 PM PST US
> From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com<mailto:biglar@gogittum.com>>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Fw: MV Pictures
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com<mailto:biglar@gogittum.com>>
>
> Jim Hefner was kind enuf to send me a link to some of the early pictures
from
> last
> weekend, and has given me permission to publish the link on the
> List......................
>
>
www.gogittum.comhttp://groups.msn.com/HefnerFamilySite/monumentvalley2004ms<http://www.gogittum.comhttp://groups.msn.com/HefnerFamilySite/monumentvalley2004.ms>
nw
>
> These are great pictures, and I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 52 Msgs - 05/18/04 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: PaulServaty@aol.com
5-19-04 11;00AM
FromPaulServaty@AOL.com
Subject Re: Reduction Gear Oil
I was concerned of the latest discussion regarding Amsoil Gear Oil
discoloration using Amsoil in the reduction box.
Just drained my 503 B Box of Amsoil Series 2000 75W-140 after 28 hours.
The oil & plug were crystal clear. I had previously used Mobile One 75W-90 and
earlier Pensoil 80W-90. The Amsoil was so clear I refilled with the drained
oil and will change at 40 hours like I have in the past instead of 100 hours .
The B box has at least 550 trouble -free hours on it. Maybe some moisture has
entered the other gearboxes.
FLY SAFE
Paul "OUTLAW" Servaty 87 kolb firestar kx
DO NOT ARCHIEVE
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley Pics |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Jim sent me a hi-res copy of his pic of me in the Kolbra, and I updated it
this morning. Thanks again, Jim. Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Pics
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Got started on this and couldn't stop...........or didn't think to stop.
Man, the time went fast, and I can't believe it's 2:00 AM. I don't do this
! ! ! Gonna be zapped tomorrow, but that's all right. I got a preliminary
page finished with MV stuff on it, and a bit on the Antelope Canyon slot
canyon. Thanks to John Clayton for strongly recommending I go for that
tour, when I'd about decided (on wrong information) to cancel out on it. My
camera died right at the end of the slot canyon adventure, so I had to
cancel out of the 1/2 day float trip on the Colorado River till next time.
Meanwhile, here's the new webpage. Enjoy ..................:
>
> http://www.flyingpics.homestead.com/monument04.html .
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> N78LB Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Verner 1400 & Powerfin for sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
<< Are these duel ignition? I could not seem to find the info on their web
site. What about noise factor, is the exhaust loud? Giovanni >>
Verner engines are exclusevely designed as aircraft engines.
Yes - they have dual ignitions and dual spark plugs per cylinder.
Exhaust noise will, of course, depend on your muffler.
My muffler is somewhat minimal, yet most of my engine noise comes from the
prop.
The large-bore, 4-stroke note has a pleasing, throaty sound.
At idle, mine sounds like a Harley (you listening, Paul P?) but without the
shaking.
Dennis Kirby
New Mexico
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
This is my first time to write to the list. Larry normally takes care of it, but
with him being out of town it falls to me to thank all who were at Monument
Valley for a great time and great fellowship. After the warm weather in Utah we
came home in a nasty rain and hail(2-4 inches on ground) storm.It has been wet
since then with more predicted. The pictures that Larry and Jim have are just
the tip of the iceberg for awesome views to be had there. The pic's of the
planes and the buttes were great.
Karen Cottrell
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Counter-balance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
We have been getting some great responses to your question but let me add my
experience. When I purchased my kit there wasn't a consistent feeling that
the balance weights were even needed. I planed to use trailing edge material
from aircraft spruce to further streamline my flaps and ailerons so they
gave me a set. For the first four years of flying I had only a two inch
piece of the weight in the balance arm and had no problems. When I switched
to the reduction drive I found that as I flew up into the 80-85 MPH range a
minor vibration would develop but never got bad. I traced the vibration to
aileron flutter, I could see it. I then switched to a three inch piece of
balance weight and the flutter is gone. I have tried to provoke the flutter
with 5 minute runs at full throttle up into the 92-95 mph range with no
flutter. Since the VNE is 100mph which I would see only near full throttle
in a dive the problem is solved. I have some what heaver ailerons than most
and my balance weights are only three inches long. I recommend you cut the
balance weights to 3-4 inches long and extend them out to the end of the
balance arm. Why carry any more weight in the plane than necessary.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "James and Cathy Tripp" <jtripp@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Aileron Counter-balance
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp"
<jtripp@elmore.rr.com>
>
> While trying to add the counter-balance weights to my ailerons the other
day, I discovered I didn't have enough weight material to bring the aileron
to the neutral position. Right now it looks like I need another couple of
inches of weight. Is the bottom of the wing suppose to be level before
trying to adjust the weights? Has anyone else had this problem? I built the
ailerons with 90 degree bends on all the ribs to get a smooth trailing edge
but I didn't think it would add all that much to the overall weight. What do
you think?
>
> James Tripp, FSII
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| Subject: | Re: oil temps tooo low??!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
I have a similar low oil temp problem with my VW that is improved some what
with a oil thermostat. Since you don't have a oil cooler that will not help
you. You may need to insulate the oil pan from the cooling air. Do this very
causally a bit at a time. Also make sure that the oil temp sender is not out
in the cool air. If cool air is cooling the sending unit you will get a
false low oil temp reading. Count you blessings a low temp issue is always
easer to fix than a high temp issue. Please keep us up to date on you BMW.
The BMW was one of the other engines I considered.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Gerken" <gerken@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: oil temps tooo low??!!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken <gerken@us.ibm.com>
>
> I need some advice from you engine gurus. My Mkiii with BMW flew last
> week for the first time. The 1991 BMW R100 is a 4-cycle 1000cc air cooled
> flat opposed twin with pressurized oil system with wet sump. To the basic
> engine, I added a sump extension to lower the oil 2 inches away from the
> crank and camshafts, and I put a pan cover on the bottom of that of
quarter
> inch aluminum. The aluminum pan cover plate is 12 x 18 inches, also
> serving as the motor mount bed, connecting to the shock mounts near the
> corners. Originally there was an external finned aluminum oil cooler on
> the motorcycle this engine came from, but based on Hans' experience, I did
> not use that. There is an oil temp sender unit threaded into a hole in
the
> side of the pan extension, submerged in the oil, detecting oil temp. This
> sender reads ambient temp perfectly before flight. In flight, at ambient
> temps of about 40 degrees F, the max oil temp I noted was 137 F. Figuring
> it will go up linearly (i have been told by an expert that this is true),
> at ambient of 80, the oil temp will read about 177.
> I feel this may be too low of an operating oil temp. What do you guys
> feel is a good oil temp to reach to drive out water and keep the engine
> healthy? I understand the max should be kept below 250 or so, but what
> about the minimum? Water boils off at 212 at sea level, but is about 175
> degrees F enough to encourage the water to varporize and leave the oil
even
> though it doesn't actually boil off? Are there any other reasons this may
> be too cool (besides the water issue)?
> I will continue to evaluate this, but any input on desired temp ranges
> would be helpfull. BTW, how does the Rotax 912 control oil temps, and
what
> range do those see in operation? Also, how are the temps measured, and
> how can the sender units kept from being influenced by the metal they are
> mounted by?
>
>
> Jim Gerken
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| Subject: | tell ur people to stop sending me these stuff |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "anthony tatum" <anthonytatum_865@hotmail.com>
>From: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
>Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Kolb-List: I'm OK, bird is bent, very thankful
>Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 09:00:59 -0500
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong"
><tophera@centurytel.net>
>
>Glad you were able to get down through the fog without getting disoriented,
>that is very scary!
>
>Why don't you have the ability to flair engine out? That is definitely not
>how the airplane should be rigged. Were you particularly nose heavy on
>this
>flight? Did you get real slow? The design requirement for sizing the
>elevator is the ability to flare on landing at forward cg... I haven't
>heard
>that as a problem on Kolb's. If you're going really slow of course that
>would explain it.
>
>Good to here you walked away unharmed, hope the plane goes back together
>easily.
>
>Topher
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BICUM@aol.com
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: I'm OK, bird is bent, very thankful
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: BICUM@aol.com
>
>Hello list,
>
>
http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley Pics |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
If you like, send a few of them to me and I'll publish them for you. (not
TOO many) :-) I saw some of your work with that new Fuji S7000 and was
highly impressed. I'm waiting for Jim's campground pics, too. That was a
GOOD trip. Lar. Do not Archive.
P.S. I was up till 2:00 AM getting that page done, then slept till 7:30.
Flopped around for a bit, and fell asleep in the recliner till after 11:00.
Now, I'm stumbling around here groggy. Maybe a quick shower will help -
gotta get that camera gone to Nikon today. What a burn.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Dalton" <wiserguy@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Pics
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob Dalton" <wiserguy@comcast.net>
>
> Big Lar, Jim Hefner and all:
>
> Really enjoyed your posting of your MV pics so quickly, Jim and Lar. I
need
> to establish a way to share mine as I do not have a place to do so at this
> time. I am still resting up from the long drive home. To everyone who
> attended the MV gathering, I want to thank you all for taking a non-flyer
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| Subject: | TNK website inaccessible |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
I just tried to connect to the TNK website (http://www.tnkolbaircraft.com/) and got the following message. Have they changed their URL or is there another problem anyone knows about?
Domain Inaccessable
This domain has been suspended or does not exist on this server, please contact
your hosting provider
Thom in Buffalo
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: TNK website inaccessible |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Dunu Thom, Same here.
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
do not archive
----- Original Message ---
From: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: TNK website inaccessible
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
>
> I just tried to connect to the TNK website
(http://www.tnkolbaircraft.com/) and got the following message. Have they
changed their URL or is there another problem anyone knows about?
>
> Domain Inaccessable
> This domain has been suspended or does not exist on this server, please
contact your hosting provider
>
> Thom in Buffalo
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley Pics |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Larry,
Thanks for the photos. Please add more! How in the heck did they squeeze you
into the back seat of that Kolbra? They pack you in ice or something?
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Pics
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Got started on this and couldn't stop...........or didn't think to stop.
Man, the time went fast, and I can't believe it's 2:00 AM. I don't do this
! ! ! Gonna be zapped tomorrow, but that's all right. I got a preliminary
page finished with MV stuff on it, and a bit on the Antelope Canyon slot
canyon. Thanks to John Clayton for strongly recommending I go for that
tour, when I'd about decided (on wrong information) to cancel out on it. My
camera died right at the end of the slot canyon adventure, so I had to
cancel out of the 1/2 day float trip on the Colorado River till next time.
Meanwhile, here's the new webpage. Enjoy ..................:
>
> http://www.flyingpics.homestead.com/monument04.html .
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> N78LB Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: TNK website inaccessible |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Give'em a call Thom I just talked to Travis Monday, Linda is on jury duty
and he is minding the store. He may have pushed the wrong button. LOL
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: TNK website inaccessible
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
>
> I just tried to connect to the TNK website
(http://www.tnkolbaircraft.com/) and got the following message. Have they
changed their URL or is there another problem anyone knows about?
>
> Domain Inaccessable
> This domain has been suspended or does not exist on this server, please
contact your hosting provider
>
> Thom in Buffalo
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: TNK website inaccessible |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: FlyColt45@aol.com
How do you think I feel! I e-mailed them to inquire about ordering a MKIII
during Sun & Fun. They probably never read my e-mail and sure as hell never
got back to me. May be great people - but you got to cover the basics!
JC
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 52 Msgs - 05/18/04 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
PaulServaty@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: PaulServaty@aol.com
>
> 5-19-04 11;00AM
> FromPaulServaty@AOL.com
> Subject Re: Reduction Gear Oil
> I was concerned of the latest discussion regarding Amsoil Gear Oil
> discoloration using Amsoil in the reduction box.
> Just drained my 503 B Box of Amsoil Series 2000 75W-140 after 28 hours.
> The oil & plug were crystal clear. I had previously used Mobile One 75W-90 and
> earlier Pensoil 80W-90. The Amsoil was so clear I refilled with the drained
> oil and will change at 40 hours like I have in the past instead of 100 hours
.
> The B box has at least 550 trouble -free hours on it. Maybe some moisture has
> entered the other gearboxes.
>
> FLY SAFE
>
> Paul "OUTLAW" Servaty 87 kolb firestar kx
>
Paul,
Thanks for the info on your experience with the Amsoil gear oil in the reduction
box.
Now I'm really worried that something is going on inside of mine! I did have about
100 hours on the oil before draining it which is recommended. The plane is flying
great and I don't have any extra play in the backlash or shaft bearings. Also
not
finding any metal particles in the oil either, just black sludge.
Haven't' been able to get hold of my Amsoil supplier yet to discuss the problem.
In the mean time I'm going to be changing gear oil frequently and trying other
brands to keep tabs on the situation.
Terry FireFly #95
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Sorry to hear that JC,but I'm sure that is not the norm. Each time I have
e-mailed they got back to me ( maybe a couple of days later ), sometime
e-mails just disappear I know some of mine do. Why don't you try the phone,
I'm sure they would love to talk with you about the Mark III.
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
----- Original Message -----
From: <FlyColt45@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: TNK website inaccessible
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: FlyColt45@aol.com
>
> How do you think I feel! I e-mailed them to inquire about ordering a
MKIII
> during Sun & Fun. They probably never read my e-mail and sure as hell
never
> got back to me. May be great people - but you got to cover the basics!
> JC
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: FlyColt45@aol.com
I spoke to them in FL about buying a MIII and wanted to take advantage of
their Sun & Fun deal, so I e-mailed them during and after the show. Both e-mails
appeared to have gone through. I should call them and probably will.
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley Pics |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Harrr.............actually, it wasn't that bad - kind of like a custom fit.
When I took the 3rd pic of Miss P'fer in the air, I got a cramp in my hip
from twisting around, but was able to work it out. The one that was fun
was when the ol' Bald Eagle of Arizona, our own George Thompson, squashed me
into the back seat of his FireStar II last year, chained me down and hauled
me into the air. :-) I got a cramp in my hip that time, too, but there
was no "wiggle room" and I nearly went crazy till the cramp finally went
numb. Almost couldn't get back out, when we finally got back on the ground.
Sure had a great flight, tho'. We saw coyotes and pronghorn antelope, and
that little FS II handled the weight fine. It was good to see George again,
this past weekend. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Pics
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
>
> Larry,
> Thanks for the photos. Please add more! How in the heck did they squeeze
you
> into the back seat of that Kolbra? They pack you in ice or something?
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "G. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
Bitch, Bitch, Bitch, You give a Guy a ride and he complains about the
accommodations.
Az. Bald Eagle
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Pics
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Harrr.............actually, it wasn't that bad - kind of like a custom
fit.
> When I took the 3rd pic of Miss P'fer in the air, I got a cramp in my hip
> from twisting around, but was able to work it out. The one that was
fun
> was when the ol' Bald Eagle of Arizona, our own George Thompson, squashed
me
> into the back seat of his FireStar II last year, chained me down and
hauled
> me into the air. :-) I got a cramp in my hip that time, too, but there
> was no "wiggle room" and I nearly went crazy till the cramp finally went
> numb. Almost couldn't get back out, when we finally got back on the
ground.
> Sure had a great flight, tho'. We saw coyotes and pronghorn antelope, and
> that little FS II handled the weight fine. It was good to see George
again,
> this past weekend. Lar. Do not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> N78LB Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Pics
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
> >
> > Larry,
> > Thanks for the photos. Please add more! How in the heck did they squeeze
> you
> > into the back seat of that Kolbra? They pack you in ice or something?
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
George,
Next time, roll inverted and see if that relieves Lar's strain.
Lar,
Seriously, I've had a couple of instances where seats pinched, notably
a canoe a couple years ago. I've
developed a bit of numbness in the left leg and knee as a result, am going to a
neurologist in a couple weeks to track
it down. Don't ignore those warning signs! How's Vamoose?
Do not archive.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
----- Original Message -----
From: "G. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Pics
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "G. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
>
> Bitch, Bitch, Bitch, You give a Guy a ride and he complains about the
> accommodations.
> Az. Bald Eagle
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Pics
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> >
> > Harrr.............actually, it wasn't that bad - kind of like a custom
> fit.
> > When I took the 3rd pic of Miss P'fer in the air, I got a cramp in my hip
> > from twisting around, but was able to work it out. The one that was
> fun
> > was when the ol' Bald Eagle of Arizona, our own George Thompson, squashed
> me
> > into the back seat of his FireStar II last year, chained me down and
> hauled
> > me into the air. :-) I got a cramp in my hip that time, too, but there
> > was no "wiggle room" and I nearly went crazy till the cramp finally went
> > numb. Almost couldn't get back out, when we finally got back on the
> ground.
> > Sure had a great flight, tho'. We saw coyotes and pronghorn antelope, and
> > that little FS II handled the weight fine. It was good to see George
> again,
> > this past weekend. Lar. Do not Archive.
> >
> > Larry Bourne
> > Palm Springs, CA
> > Building Kolb Mk III
> > N78LB Vamoose
> > www.gogittum.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Pics
> >
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
> > >
> > > Larry,
> > > Thanks for the photos. Please add more! How in the heck did they squeeze
> > you
> > > into the back seat of that Kolbra? They pack you in ice or something?
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
:-) Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "G. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Pics
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "G. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
>
> Bitch, Bitch, Bitch, You give a Guy a ride and he complains about the
> accommodations.
> Az. Bald Eagle
.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
That'd just cause a whole new batch of strain. I didn't even tell
George at the time.............it was too noisy in there, and what could he
have done anyway ?? Sure felt good to stretch the legs after we landed,
tho'. I caught h- - - for not bringing Vamoose to MV, so hadta
promise to finish it up forthwith. Gotta finish it up - leaving on vacation
1 in a month, and want it outa my hair. That nerve pinching
business is why I don't carry a wallet in my back pocket anymore. I use a
fanny pack, and it's useful for much more than just a wallet.
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Pics
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski"
<edchmiel@mindspring.com>
>
> George,
> Next time, roll inverted and see if that relieves Lar's strain.
>
> Lar,
> Seriously, I've had a couple of instances where seats pinched,
notably a canoe a couple years ago. I've
> developed a bit of numbness in the left leg and knee as a result, am going
to a neurologist in a couple weeks to track
> it down. Don't ignore those warning signs! How's Vamoose?
>
> Do not archive.
> Ed in JXN
> MkII/503
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Got a little bit of an education today that some may find interesting. While at
MV last weekend, I was talking to John Clayton, and he was showing me a AAA
map of Southern Utah. Beautifully detailed, all the small dirt roads, etc., and
I was fascinated. I've been using AAA road maps of the various states with
pleasure and success for years, so today, just as happy as if I had brains,
I went into the local AAA store and asked about availability. Nope. Seems that,
while they all pay homage to a central organization, each AAA office is an
autonomous (??) entity, and don't really know what each other is doing. Hmmm
??? They don't even have a master list of what's available in various areas.
What I DID find, with a little persistence, and a helpful, very attractive
young lady, was highly detailed local area maps of nearby counties and special
interest areas, such as, in my case, a detailed map of the Colorado River from
Lake Mead to the Mexican border. Good Stuff ! ! !.............and well worth
checking in your local area for navigation maps, and for finding new points
of interest. I came out of there with 5 maps clutched in my hot little hands,
and grinning about the new play areas shown on them. Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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