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1. 06:53 AM - Vic buys a B-1 (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
2. 07:35 AM - source for scratch resistant lexan polycarb? (Jim Gerken)
3. 07:42 AM - intercom system (Dallas Shepherd)
4. 08:47 AM - Re: dodge tranny failures ... (John Hauck)
5. 08:57 AM - Re: Intercom system (Duncan McBride)
6. 09:00 AM - Re: source for scratch resistant lexan polycarb? (John Cooley)
7. 09:00 AM - Re: FireFly Cross Country (John Hauck)
8. 09:23 AM - Re: intercom system (jerb)
9. 09:44 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: oil temps tooo low?, well, not really. (William George)
10. 01:07 PM - Re: intercom system (Edward Chmielewski)
11. 01:52 PM - Re: intercom system (Dallas Shepherd)
12. 02:47 PM - Re: I'm OK, bird is bent, very thankful (jam'n)
13. 02:49 PM - Re: I'm OK, bird is bent, very thankful (jam'n)
14. 02:54 PM - Re: I'm OK, bird is bent, very thankful (jam'n)
15. 03:08 PM - Re: intercom system (Thom Riddle)
16. 03:47 PM - Re: source for scratch resistant lexan polycarb? (jerb)
17. 07:42 PM - Re: source for scratch resistant lexan polycarb? (herbgh@juno.com)
18. 07:47 PM - Re: FireFly Cross Country (Don Gherardini)
19. 09:16 PM - original firestar (Dan Charter)
20. 09:35 PM - Looking for Machinest (Vic)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
<< Does anyone on the list know what a B-1 Bomber cost? I think I owe the
Air Force for one. I managed to get the plane to the runway but when I
touched down I discovered the runway was icy. Ice in Hawaii? Send
donations to Vic. Thank goodness it was in a simulator. Vic >>
$205 Million. Start planning your bake sales!
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| Subject: | source for scratch resistant lexan polycarb? |
05/21/2004 09:32:17 AM
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken <gerken@us.ibm.com>
Can you guys point me to the cheapest source for the scratch-resistant
Polycaronate (Lexan)? Thanks a bunch!!!
Jim
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954@centurytel.net>
John: Go with the 400s. I had the 400 in my Mark 3 and had to send it in
to be reworked for the loud noise environment. It was still noisy, but I
could hear all right. I wear two hearing aids. The Mark 3 is very noisy. I
first had a Rotax 582 and later a Jabiru 2200 on the Mark 3. I felt both
made a lot of noise.
Dallas Shepherd
Norfork, Ar.
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| Subject: | Re: dodge tranny failures ... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
the tranny failed because it's a
| Dodge.. their junk! i wouldn't own a chrysler product.
| those Cummins engines might last 500,000 miles but the
| rest of the truck won't. tim
Hi tim/Gang:
Returned home from a 10 day flight to MV. Landed at Gantt IAP at 0800
this morning. Good thing I wasn't flying a Dodge/Cummins. :-)
I realize this is not Kolb related, but I have a much different
opinion of the Dodge/Cummins based on user experience and not rumor.
As the owner of a 1992 Dodge/Cummins with 280,000+ miles, I am
extremely pleased with my old truck. Producing twice the HP that it
did when it rolled off the show room floor, it will snap your head
back in 5th gear, leave two black marks on the pavement, as it
accelerates from 55 to 90 mph in a couple seconds producing 40 lbs of
boost. This old truck has pulled to Alaska, as far north as Dead
Horse/Prudhoe Bay, the northernmost point in the North American
Continent one can drive. I personally don't think I can beat her to
death. She pulls a 30 ft 5th wheel, producing up to 14.5 mpg, if I
keep my foot out of the injector pump and that big ass turbo. Course
it is so much fun producing diesel power, I have a hard time governing
the right foot.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I am mine. I am still
driving the old 1992 Dodge/Cummins because it is still delivering the
reliable service that I demand on the many trips she pulls me to those
out of the way places in the US and Canada that I love.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Intercom system |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Duncan McBride" <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
I have the portable Sigtronics unit, SPO 22 I think. Anyway I used it for
years in GA aircraft, but in the Kolb (Mark III, Rotax 912) I had to turn
the squelch up all the way and even then it really couldn't handle the
noise. Once the squelch was broken it wouldn't turn off again. I sent it
back to the factory and for $20 they converted it to the high noise version.
Works great now. I'd go with the S version for sure. Another thing to
consider, once the squelch is broken, the intercom is going to pick up
whatever comes through the mike, so the loud noise in the cockpit will still
be present when you are talking. I ended up enclosing my cabin and putting
some sound-deadening material above the cabin top, and that has helped. The
only other thing would have been to try one of the newer sound cancelling
intercoms. Haven't done that yet.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Intercom system
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
>
> Hi Gang,
> Looking for some advice. I plan on installing a Sigtronics intercom
> system in my MK III. I am curious to know if the SPA 400 system will
> work ok or if the SPA 400S will work better. The S version is supposed
> to be for high noise environments. Anyone have experience with both? The
> SPA 400 is on Ebay all the time. Have not seen the 400S there yet. Any
> and all responses are appreciated.
>
> Later,
> John Cooley
>
>
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| Subject: | source for scratch resistant lexan polycarb? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Jim/Gang,
Here is a website that I had found. They claim to have the lowest prices
and want to be informed if you find prices lower anywhere else. The link
is http://mywebpages.comcast.net/proglass/pricing.htm I don't know
anything about them and have not ordered from them so this is not a
recommendation. Good luck and keep us posted on what you find.
Later,
John Cooley
(SNIP)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken <gerken@us.ibm.com>
Can you guys point me to the cheapest source for the scratch-resistant
Polycaronate (Lexan)? Thanks a bunch!!!
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Cross Country |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
round
| trip cross country from Perryville, Missouri to Neelyville,
Missouri. | Jack B. Hart FF004
Jack/Gents:
Congratulations on your cross country flight.
That's what these little Kolb aircraft are all about.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: intercom system |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Dallas,
How did you keep your hearing aids from squealing? Most will when covered
by a head set or perhaps that may have been the noisy environment.
jerb
At 09:39 AM 5/21/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954@centurytel.net>
>
> John: Go with the 400s. I had the 400 in my Mark 3 and had to send it in
>to be reworked for the loud noise environment. It was still noisy, but I
>could hear all right. I wear two hearing aids. The Mark 3 is very noisy. I
>first had a Rotax 582 and later a Jabiru 2200 on the Mark 3. I felt both
>made a lot of noise.
>Dallas Shepherd
>Norfork, Ar.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: oil temps tooo low?, well, not really. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: William George <wgeorge@mountainmeadowranch.com>
Thanks for the post Jim. I too have been dealing with low oil
temperatures on the Verner and suspected that the problem was the
location of the sender. The Verner has an aluminum oil tank with the
sender near the bottom. I removed the oil cooler and only got a few
degrees increase in temperature. My theory is that since the tank is in
the slipstream it is acting as a radiator also.
I'll have to see if I can locate a device such as you describe to find
out what the temps really are.
do not archive
Bill George
Hawaii
Kolb Mk-3 Verner 1400 Powerfin
On May 20, 2004, at 8:56 PM, Kolb-List Digest Server wrote:
> Time: 05:03:32 AM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: oil temps tooo low?, well, not really.
> From: Jim Gerken <gerken@us.ibm.com>
> 05/20/2004 07:00:16 AM
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken <gerken@us.ibm.com>
>
> Thanks Richard, here's some more info. Two nites ago I flew again and
> noted higher oil temps indicated on the gauge, relating to the higher
> ambient air temp (68) I suppose. The highest indicated reading I
> noted was
> 157 F. Upon landing I checked the oil temp with the use of a lab
> instrument from work. This is a little digital handheld device the
> size of
> a pack of cigs, with a remote thermocouple. At Hans' suggestion, I
> taped
> the thermocouple to the end of the dipstick and pushed it into the
> oil. It
> read 190 F. I clicked on the power and read the instrument on the
> dash of
> the aircraft and it read 150 F at that moment. Then I dried the oil
> off
> and reinstalled the dipstick and used the thermocouple to measure the
> temp
> of the oil cooler plate, and the side of the oil pan extension. Both
> these
> measured 150, the same as the instrument in the dash. My conclusion is
> that since the sender for the oil temp gauge is screwed into the side
> of
> the oil pan extension, even though it extends thru the metal and into
> the
> oil at almost the bottom of the liquid (1/4" above bottom plate), the
> sender is being influenced by the contact with the metal it is mounted
> to.
> If I continue to use this sender/location, I will add 40 degrees F to
> the
> readings for "actual". So, 157 (last nites high) + 40 equals 197.
> 197
> oil temp in 68 degrees ambient air temp condition seems more
> reasonable to
> me. Adding 20 to the ambient, for 88, the engine oil temp would also
> climb
> 20, for a peak of about 217, still reasonable. For 98 degrees ambient,
> probably the warmest conditions I will ever fly in, would yield about
> 227
> oil temp, assuming all this remains linear (I've been told this is the
> case, by a "thermal expert").
> I will continue to do the comparison as the ambient gets warmer so I
> get
> some sanity that the adder is always 40. My gauge drives a big
> indicator
> lite on the dash, which is to draw my attention to the gauge if either
> the
> pressure or temp exceeds predefined limits. I set the limits, both
> upper
> and lower on pressure, and upper on temp. I can set the temperature
> limit
> 40 degrees lower, and mark the dash with a placard to "Add 40 degrees
> to
> indicated for oil temp".
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| Subject: | Re: intercom system |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Jerb,
I had a student pilot years ago who had profound hearing loss since birth.
He had 2 very expensive ($10K)
hearing aids, and had been with several instructors trying to get past solo but
they wouldn't sign him off due to his
poor communications techniques. He was handed off to me, we tried a few combinations
of headsets and intercoms until I
found out he had the same squealing going on as you might have. With David Clark
headsets, he turned his hearing aids
down and was able to do quite well. The poor fellow was enduring the squealing
and not saying what was wrong all that
time. Turn them way down, and turn up the intercom. Make sure the microphone
is only close enough to work but not so
close as to cause the feedback.
Hope this helps.
Ed in JXN (MI!)
MkII/503
----- Original Message -----
From: "jerb" <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: intercom system
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>
> Dallas,
> How did you keep your hearing aids from squealing? Most will when covered
> by a head set or perhaps that may have been the noisy environment.
> jerb
>
> At 09:39 AM 5/21/04 -0500, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954@centurytel.net>
> >
> > John: Go with the 400s. I had the 400 in my Mark 3 and had to send it in
> >to be reworked for the loud noise environment. It was still noisy, but I
> >could hear all right. I wear two hearing aids. The Mark 3 is very noisy. I
> >first had a Rotax 582 and later a Jabiru 2200 on the Mark 3. I felt both
> >made a lot of noise.
> >Dallas Shepherd
> >Norfork, Ar.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: intercom system |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954@centurytel.net>
Jerb: Your hearing aids will squeal if you have them turned up too
high, or your headphone's are pressing against them. You must
have headphones that give the hearing aids plenty of room with no
pressure. I have used headphones, that I couldn't use because of too
mush pressure on the hearing aids.
Dallas
-------Original Message-------
From: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: intercom system
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Dallas,
How did you keep your hearing aids from squealing? Most will when covered
by a head set or perhaps that may have been the noisy environment.
jerb
At 09:39 AM 5/21/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954@centurytel
net>
>
> John: Go with the 400s. I had the 400 in my Mark 3 and had to send it in
>to be reworked for the loud noise environment. It was still noisy, but I
>could hear all right. I wear two hearing aids. The Mark 3 is very noisy. I
>first had a Rotax 582 and later a Jabiru 2200 on the Mark 3. I felt both
>made a lot of noise.
>Dallas Shepherd
>Norfork, Ar.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I'm OK, bird is bent, very thankful |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jam'n" <jghunter@nol.net>
hi
glad you are ok
email?
where in tx did you come down?
regards
jg
houston
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----- Original Message -----
From: <BICUM@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: I'm OK, bird is bent, very thankful
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: BICUM@aol.com
>
> Hello list,
>
> Just wanted to let everyone know that I'm OK. Several people have called
and
> checked on me. I was kinda amazed how fast word got out. John H called
me
> on my way home the very next day (thanks Paul P.). For a second I thought
John
> H had a laptop and a satellite connection in Miss P'fer.
>
> Nothing to say but I screwed up. Let myself get trapped on top of ground
fog
> which started developing at the end of my first leg. This is turn led to
> fuel starvation and an off-field landing. It was complicated by a descent
through
> ~ 900 ft of fog (0 visibility) and popping out 200 - 300 AGL. I'm an
> official FAA incident/accident. Just a series of small decisions that I
let put me in
> a bad situation. I always thought I was a better and safer pilot than
that.
> It is scary how easy it is to let "getthereitis" put you in a bad
situatuion.
> Never thought it would happen to me but it sure did.
>
> The details of the story are kinda long. If interested in learning from
my
> mistakes, let me know and I'll write a detailed chain of events. I'll have
to
> check the list rules about length of post. It scared the heck out me.
> Depending on your religious orientation, I was very, very lucky or GOD
stepped in and
> flew for a while. It kinda looks like He handed the controls back to me at
> about flare time. That is when the plane got bent. Blew out the landing
gear
> and bent some tubes in the cage. For those that don't know, there is
basically
> no flare during an engine out.
>
> The important stuff -
> Didn't hurt anyone else or damage anyone else's property.
> I walked away without a scratch (except the briars in the hayfield).
> Landed in the hayfield of some truly nice Texas farm folk.
> I'm here to write this note and can attend my daughter graduation from
USAF
> basic training.
> I won't be able to respond for a few days. We are leaving in just a
couple
> of hours for Lackland AFB in San Antonio to see my youngest daughter
graduate
> from basic.
>
> I'm truly sorry that I let this happen. I let my family down and put a
bit
> of a black mark on the flying community. My deepest apologies.
>
> Thanks to everyone for checking on me and showing so much concern. I hope
> everyone had a great time in MV. Wish I could have been there, but am
thankful
> that I'm just here.
>
> Thanks & be careful,
>
> John Bickham
> St. Francisville, LA
> Kolb Mark III Classic - 912
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I'm OK, bird is bent, very thankful |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jam'n" <jghunter@nol.net>
dave
do you have that article or can you sum up the important points for us
thanks
jg
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: I'm OK, bird is bent, very thankful
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier"
<pelletier@cableone.net>
>
> John,
>
> Great to hear that you're ok and survived a really dangerous and scary
> experience. I think it'd be good to get the details on the list so we can
> all learn from it. I damaged my MK III a couple of months ago -
relatively
> minor - and it was bad judgement on my part - "No excuse Sir!" But, a
month
> after it happened I read an article about the added hazards of landing on
a
> down hill slope. Had I read that article beforehand, I may have made
> different decisions.
>
> Again, really happy to know you survived a really bad situation.
>
> AzDave
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <BICUM@aol.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: I'm OK, bird is bent, very thankful
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: BICUM@aol.com
> >
> > Hello list,
> >
> > Just wanted to let everyone know that I'm OK. Several people have
called
> and
> > checked on me. The details of the story are kinda long. If interested
> in learning from my
> > mistakes, let me know and I'll write a detailed chain of events. >
> > Thanks & be careful,
> >
> > John Bickham
> > St. Francisville, LA
> > Kolb Mark III Classic - 912
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I'm OK, bird is bent, very thankful |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jam'n" <jghunter@nol.net>
you can as long as you have the airspeed as a rule.
we should continue to practice engine out landings...
this morn... i entered the downwid from 1,000 engine at idle... i flew to
the abeam point fine, descending all the way...
i made a 180 non std entry to the runway... engine at 2580...
everything went fine... until i hit 45 then 40 and was 250 from the
runway... i would have had an off runway landing/crash. so i will adj my
parameters for the next time i practice...
i will try the trun from 500' and downwind closer to runway azmith
practice makes emergencies less of an emergency all else being considered
regards
jg
> Glad you were able to get down through the fog without getting
disoriented,
> that is very scary!
>
> Why don't you have the ability to flair engine out? That is definitely
not
> how the airplane should be rigged. Were you particularly nose heavy on
this
> flight? Did you get real slow? The design requirement for sizing the
> elevator is the ability to flare on landing at forward cg... I haven't
heard
> that as a problem on Kolb's. If you're going really slow of course that
> would explain it.
>
> Good to here you walked away unharmed, hope the plane goes back together
> easily.
>
> Topher
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| Subject: | Re: intercom system |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
I am totally deaf in both ears but have a cochlear implant in one ear. This is
not a hearing aid (amplifier) but replaces the hearing function of the ear completely
but not near perfectly. So I am still considered hard of hearing in my
one ear in quiet environments, and still totally deaf in the other ear. However,
in noisy environments I am profoundly deaf in the sense that I cannot pick
out useful speech from the background sounds (engine, exhaust, prop etc.).
The best solution for me has been to plug a patch cord from the radio audio output
jack directly into the "speech processor" of my cochlear implant. This cuts
out the microphone of the cochlear implant and results in hearing only the radio
audio signal w/o any environmental sounds at all. It does not solve the problem
of communication using the intercom but really helps with radio transmission
reception.....not perfect but it is better than using the headphones. I
still wear the headset and plug the mic. cord into the intercom so I can transmit
normally.
When I wore a hearing aid, I found that some assistive listening devices such as
and FM coil system with the hearing aid set to "telecoil" mode did a great job
of eliminating the unwanted background sounds. I suggest you hearing aid users
talk to your audiologist and/or hearing aid dispenser and describe the situation
and ask for advice on assistive listening equipment. I hope this helps
those who use hearing aids.
Thom in Buffalo
International Deaf Pilots' Association (IDPA)
www.deafpilots.com
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| Subject: | Re: source for scratch resistant lexan polycarb? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
What size #x# and thickness are you looking for and what area of the
country are you in. Keep in mind shipping for sheet materials can be
expensive so you may well find a local source may be cheaper by the time
you add in the packing and shipping cost.
jerb
At 09:32 AM 5/21/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken <gerken@us.ibm.com>
>
>Can you guys point me to the cheapest source for the scratch-resistant
>Polycaronate (Lexan)? Thanks a bunch!!!
>
> Jim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: source for scratch resistant lexan polycarb? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
Guys
Lexan is available at your local plastic supplier. They are all over
the country and in many mid to small cities. I bought a 4X8 sheet of
.062 for 56 bucks last year. Half sheet has no cutting charge and is 28
bucks. Seems that the net prices may be a bit out of line? I do not
think that 1/8 th is twice the price of 1/16 th? My supplier is Bruce
Plastic in Gallatin Tenn. .060 is what I used on my gull wing doored
MkIII. Herb
On Fri, 21 May 2004 10:57:03 -0500 "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
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> Jim/Gang,
> Here is a website that I had found. They claim to have the lowest
> prices
> and want to be informed if you find prices lower anywhere else. The
> link
> is http://mywebpages.comcast.net/proglass/pricing.htm I don't know
> anything about them and have not ordered from them so this is not a
> recommendation. Good luck and keep us posted on what you find.
>
> Later,
> John Cooley
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> Can you guys point me to the cheapest source for the
> scratch-resistant
> Polycaronate (Lexan)? Thanks a bunch!!!
>
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Cross Country |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Jack....
Congrats pard on the "personal best"...
Looks like you are really getting the range issue whipped in fine order!...
Keep your shoulder agin it pard!!!
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098 (bent...and waiting on parts)
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | original firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
Hi people, Due to weather I have 2.5 hrs. with 7 landings in with my new to me
Firestar. I love it! It fly's so much better than my old Pioneer Flightstar. The
climb is incredible, The glide is great. The 377 just sips fuel. My old Kawi
was wound up to 5800 rpm's at 45 mph. This will cruise at 50-55 at 4630 on the
tach. My flying mentor took it up and said it was the nicest little airplane
that he had ever flown. If he wasn't in the middle of a Kitfox project he'd
get a Kolb tomorrow. I can't wait for the next flight. That plane really gets
me up over the trees in northern MN in a hurry. I'm hooked on Kolb's.
Dan Charter
Firestar 1
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| Subject: | Looking for Machinest |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vic" <vicw@vcn.com>
I am attempting to build disk brakes for my Kolb but I have run up against a
machining problem that I don't have the tooling to handle. Is there any one
on the list that is a machinest that could help with the problem?
Vic
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