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1. 05:33 AM - North East Gathering (Denny Rowe)
2. 05:48 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 05/26/04 (Doug Lawton)
3. 08:34 AM - Mark 912 testing (H MITCHELL)
4. 09:15 AM - Quick weight and balance (H MITCHELL)
5. 10:02 AM - [ Erich Weaver ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
6. 10:34 AM - Re: Quick weight and balance (Richard Swiderski)
7. 10:42 AM - Re: Quick weight and balance (Bob Bean)
8. 04:09 PM - Re: [ Erich Weaver ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (wiserguy)
9. 05:08 PM - Demo ride (John Parker)
10. 05:52 PM - Re: Harley Davidson engine? (Paul Petty)
11. 06:40 PM - Re: Quick weight and balance (Eugene Zimmerman)
12. 07:49 PM - Re: Demo ride (Richard Pike)
13. 08:18 PM - Re: Flight to Monument Valley, and Back! (CRAIG M NELSON)
14. 08:26 PM - Mark II nearing a return to flight status (Fackler, Ken)
15. 08:34 PM - Re: North East Gathering (Earl & Mim Zimmerman)
16. 10:07 PM - Re: Mark II nearing a return to flight status (Denny Rowe)
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| Subject: | North East Gathering |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Nor Easters,
Anyone else getting pumped for the Wellsville - Kolb gathering and Fly-out to Homers?
Keep praying for some dryer weather cause we sure have not had it yet.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, Leechburg, PA
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 05/26/04 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
Tom,
How does one differentiate between old & new 503's?
Is it the Single Ignition vs Dual?
Or maybe a certain serial number?
Does it include both single carb and dual carbed versions?
Since I'm still having cold starting problems with mine, I may want to take
advantage of this offer. Are you also offering this special?
Thanks in advance,
Doug Lawton
Lake Burton in NE Georgia &
Matthews Field in Whitwell TN
Tom wrote:
>However, they may just want to stop supporting the older 503's and are
doing this to be nice prior to discontinuing >support like they did with the
older 447's and all the 377's.
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| Subject: | Mark 912 testing |
Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:30:53 -0400
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
Hello Kolbers,
As part of my flight test preps I have been going over the archives and found some
interesting stuff.
In '02 Erich Weaver wrote that his 912 oil tank mounting frame had cracked from
vibration. Mine hasn't cracked but I had serious vibration just after lift-off
that could lead to this kind of failure. I was pretty sure that my vibration
was caused by wheels being out of balance or out of round. When I checked them
it took 3.5 Oz of stick-on weights to bring one of them into balance. They were
both reasonably O.K. for roundness. I have had this problem on other planes
and recommend that new wheels be checked before the start of flight testing.
I also saw a post from John H. where he referred to 50 or 60 MPH as slow flight
that makes Ms P'fer "squat" and fly with her nose high. My test runs so far
have been at 40-45 mph (ind.). It's no wonder that she seems to be tail heavy
! Since I have no way to verify my indicated airspeed I will have to rely on ground
observers estimates and try it at higher speeds.
Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL, Mk3/912
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| Subject: | Quick weight and balance |
Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:12:15 -0400
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
I have been shopping for scales to use in light plane weight and balance. Using
the tail stand, plumb line, steel tape and doubled up bathroom scales to weigh
each wheel after placing the blocks the same height as the scale under the other
two wheels gets really cumbersome. If the object of this effort is to locate
the center of balance wouldn't it be easier to attach a come-along to one
of the overhead beams in my hanger and lift the plane at different points on the
root tube to determine the balance point? Side to side and wing attitude would
have to be resolved but it sounds easier than scrambling around with the scales/blocks/calculator/plumb
etc.? Of course you would not get the aircraft total
weight but that could be done on a truck scale with real accuracy if needed.
Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL, Mk3/912
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| Subject: | [ Erich Weaver ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
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| Subject: | Quick weight and balance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@rocketjet.net>
Duane,
That's exactly what I did for my cg test on my UltraStar, I hung her
from a tree! It was easier & quite straight forward.
Richard Swiderski
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of H MITCHELL
Subject: Kolb-List: Quick weight and balance
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
I have been shopping for scales to use in light plane weight and balance.
Using the tail stand, plumb line, steel tape and doubled up bathroom scales
to weigh each wheel after placing the blocks the same height as the scale
under the other two wheels gets really cumbersome. If the object of this
effort is to locate the center of balance wouldn't it be easier to attach a
come-along to one of the overhead beams in my hanger and lift the plane at
different points on the root tube to determine the balance point? Side to
side and wing attitude would have to be resolved but it sounds easier than
scrambling around with the scales/blocks/calculator/plumb etc.? Of course
you would not get the aircraft total weight but that could be done on a
truck scale with real accuracy if needed.
Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL, Mk3/912
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| Subject: | Re: Quick weight and balance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Nothing wrong with that idea, if it balances on a point on that tube it
sure has to be the CG. That ought to be pretty close to the engine
front if not right at the engine someplace. The other advantage is the
plane attitude doesn't make much diff here. (now to wait in hopeful
anticipation for response on that point.) Now to find the whale scale....
-BB, back from Vermont, NewHampshire, Maine. do not archive
H MITCHELL wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
>
>I have been shopping for scales to use in light plane weight and balance. Using
the tail stand, plumb line, steel tape and doubled up bathroom scales to weigh
each wheel after placing the blocks the same height as the scale under the
other two wheels gets really cumbersome. If the object of this effort is to locate
the center of balance wouldn't it be easier to attach a come-along to one
of the overhead beams in my hanger and lift the plane at different points on
the root tube to determine the balance point? Side to side and wing attitude would
have to be resolved but it sounds easier than scrambling around with the
scales/blocks/calculator/plumb etc.? Of course you would not get the aircraft
total weight but that could be done on a truck scale with real accuracy if needed.
>
>Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL, Mk3/912
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [ Erich Weaver ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "wiserguy" <wiserguy@comcast.net>
Erich,
Great pictures, well done thanks for sharing!
Bob Dalton
Manteca, CA
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Subject: Kolb-List: [ Erich Weaver ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Parker" <parker910@comcast.net>
Hi Guys,
I live in Chattanooga, TN and ready to buy a Kolb Firefly to fly while and after
I get done restoring my Champ. Does any one know if there is a two seat Kolb
owner around these parts ( Nashville, Knoxville , Atlanta, Montgomery ) who
could haul me up for a 20 min, demo ride ? I weigh 230 and more than glad to pay
for it.. The Kolb plant in London KY suggested a gent up in Etowah TN however
I found his is out of service for a while. The wind was too hard for demos
last month at Sun n Fun so I missed that one.
Thank you,
John Parker 7EC
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| Subject: | Re: Harley Davidson engine? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Steve,
Been there done that with a 80CID Evo engine. The thing was awesome and fun
to play with but will never work on a Kolb. There are some photos in the
archives just type in Paul Petty into the matronics search engine. Except
for weight a Harley Davidson engine is a good pick for us motor heads. There
is a guy that has built a Zenith aircraft using a 88CID twin cam "B" engine
and a belt redrive.Go to www.hog-air.com and check it out. I rode Harley
Davidson's for years and gave up the hobby to afford a Kolbra. While I was
waiting for my bikes to sell I mounted a 80CID Evo engine on a test stand
that I had left over from years of building bikes and swapping parts and
wanted to test the torsinal vibration theory on the crankshaft with a prop
attached. It was a lot of fun and the engine with a wood prop sounded like a
stearman with a radial!! However there were certain RPM ranges that it would
make you go blind. The "B" engine has internal counterbalance shafts that
make it run really smooth. A university up north put one on a Wright flyer
and flew great! Thing about these Harley engines is that they have a very
flat torque curve. I have heard more than once that "Horse power sells the
aircraft however torque flies the airplane"
If you would like more info about my experiment contact me off list. I went
the Rotax 912 route mainly because it is a proven engine and Rotax is
constantly evaluating their product and provide customers with "What needs
to be upgraded or fixed from owners out there flying". With a motorcycle
engine and there are some nice ones out there flying I.e. BMW/Honda ect. one
finds him self on his own with very little support.
I would love to fly a Harley Davidson engine! But I'm a motor head... Love
the sound and the "feel" or horsepower.
Perhaps we may install a Twincam88 B in our 1/2 scale P47 razorback
experimental someday and put a HOG in the air!
But for now it's finish the Kolbra and start my next airplane the Hatz
biplane..
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
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----- Original Message -----
From: <N27SB@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Harley Davidson engine?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
>
> Just out of curiosity, has anyone out there played around with any of the
> Harley conversion engines on Kolbs? I would suspect that they have a poor
> frontal profile and are too heavy. They sure make a lot of low rpm torque
though.
>
> Steve Boetto
> Longwood,FL
> Building MKIII N272SB
> on Amphib Floats
>
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| Subject: | Re: Quick weight and balance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
I'll bet you'll never get the designer of the plane to agree that that
is an acceptable method to cg test a kolb.
The root tube is not designed to support the total weight of plane and
pilot at the cg.
Richard Swiderski wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@rocketjet.net>
>
> Duane,
> That's exactly what I did for my cg test on my UltraStar, I hung her
> from a tree! It was easier & quite straight forward.
>
> Richard Swiderski
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of H MITCHELL
> To: kolblist
> Subject: Kolb-List: Quick weight and balance
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
>
> I have been shopping for scales to use in light plane weight and balance.
> Using the tail stand, plumb line, steel tape and doubled up bathroom scales
> to weigh each wheel after placing the blocks the same height as the scale
> under the other two wheels gets really cumbersome. If the object of this
> effort is to locate the center of balance wouldn't it be easier to attach a
> come-along to one of the overhead beams in my hanger and lift the plane at
> different points on the root tube to determine the balance point? Side to
> side and wing attitude would have to be resolved but it sounds easier than
> scrambling around with the scales/blocks/calculator/plumb etc.? Of course
> you would not get the aircraft total weight but that could be done on a
> truck scale with real accuracy if needed.
>
> Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL, Mk3/912
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
If you can come to Kingsport, Tn, I will be glad to take you.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/kolb.htm
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At 08:05 PM 5/27/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Parker" <parker910@comcast.net>
>
>Hi Guys,
>
>I live in Chattanooga, TN and ready to buy a Kolb Firefly to fly while and
>after I get done restoring my Champ. Does any one know if there is a two
>seat Kolb owner around these parts ( Nashville, Knoxville , Atlanta,
>Montgomery ) who could haul me up for a 20 min, demo ride ? I weigh 230
>and more than glad to pay for it.. The Kolb plant in London KY suggested a
>gent up in Etowah TN however I found his is out of service for a while.
>The wind was too hard for demos last month at Sun n Fun so I missed that one.
>
>Thank you,
>
>John Parker 7EC
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flight to Monument Valley, and Back! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON" <vitalfx0@msn.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard & Martha Neilsen
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flight to Monument Valley, and Back!
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Bob
Super photos! Some day I need to get out there with my airplane.
I see Craig Nelson made it with his streamlined MKIIIX. I didn't see wings
or any flying photos. Do I assume that it was on static display. Craig keep
us informed.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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Rick and all:
I did make the trip to monument valley ad was quit satisfied to just sit in the
shade of the trailer and take the grandeur of those ominous shafts of rock propagating
through the desert floor, pushing to the sky!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
of course meeting the guys, seeing the aircraft and their unique
interoperation of their individual kits. its great to observe the little things
that make kolbs fun to build and own. of course FLY. that to was fun, to see
the planes against the red rock defying gravity passing ancient bluffs free like
a bird. no i did not have my wings there just wanted to come with a little
piece of the f'in airplane. i have been so inundated wit work moving my dental
laboratory (2 times in the last 24 mo.) and i bought a dental practice so the
extra has taken a back seat. i hope to start the engine next week. don't know
if I'll make Oshkosh this year. Thanks to az Dave for the kolb stickers 4 the
truck and trailer. Ii let j.h. canabulize my planes fuel pump gasket so he
could geet home. well john ya owe me dude. i didn't put the pump back on cus i
felt like if i tightened the nuts on the pump without the washer i wold damage
the pump. well that was the least tof the problem. ya see the dern pump came
off the plane inside the trailer . worked its way to the rear ramp door, with
all the excitment of m.v. and all, burrowed its way through the door and on to
the highway. bounced througha radiater of a folowing hum V. causing steam to
obstruct the drivers vision and he ran into the trailer causing the door to open
and then the f"in air plane bounced out to the on coming trafic, causing fou
fatatilies, one premature birth, a droken index finger and three navaho indian
braves ot drink a quart of fire water. i didn't hav a clue. the trailer is
30 feet long 8' 4" wide and inside is over 8' tall. when i got home the rear
door was only 3' long(it had been ground short by the paved highway) don't worry
bout me i'll be ok.
uncle craig
MKIIIex 912uls warp
arizona www.milows.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Thompson" <bobnstar@cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Flight to Monument Valley, and Back!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob Thompson" <bobnstar@cableone.net>
>
> Howdy,
>
> This is a link to my Webshots photo albums:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/
>
>
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| Subject: | Mark II nearing a return to flight status |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
With a HUGE amount of help from my friends here, we finished the boom tube replacement
last week, but I've been unable to get the plane home due to the horrible
weather (flooding) we've been having here in SE Michigan.
However, I'm happy to report that I got her home last night and put the wings back
on tonight as well as a host of other little chores, safety wiring this and
that, cleaning, and so forth. There's still a few things to do, and of course
a microscopic pre-flight inspection is needed, but I hope to be back in the
air this weekend.
THANK YOU, very much and very sincerely to all those who offered advice and encouragement
during this time. While I wouldn't want to do it again, I learned a
lot and that's a good thing. Now, if we can just get some decent flying weather!
;-)
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
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| Subject: | Re: North East Gathering |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi@supernet.com>
Denny Rowe wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
> Nor Easters,
> Anyone else getting pumped for the Wellsville - Kolb gathering and Fly-out to
Homers?
> Keep praying for some dryer weather cause we sure have not had it yet.
>
> Denny Rowe, Mk-3, Leechburg, PA
I'm looking forward to it!! ~ Earl Zimmerman, Lancaster, Pa.
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| Subject: | Re: Mark II nearing a return to flight status |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Mark II nearing a return to flight status
Way to go Ken, that didn't take long at all.
Denny Rowe
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