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1. 05:17 AM - Winged Migration (Thom Riddle)
2. 05:52 AM - Re: Quick weight and balance ()
3. 06:30 AM - Fuel at North East Kolb gathering? (Denny Rowe)
4. 06:46 AM - Re: Quick weight and balance (johnjung@compusenior.com)
5. 06:52 AM - Re: Fuel at North East Kolb gathering? (James, Ken)
6. 07:18 AM - Re: Fuel at North East Kolb gathering? (Denny Rowe)
7. 07:56 AM - Re: Fuel at North East Kolb gathering? (Terry)
8. 08:24 AM - Re: Central FL Kolber........ (GeoR38@aol.com)
9. 08:46 AM - Re: Flight to Monument Valley, and Back! (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
10. 08:53 AM - Re: Quick weight and balance (GeoR38@aol.com)
11. 09:47 AM - Re: Fuel at North East Kolb gathering?thumbs (Gary Thacker)
12. 11:34 AM - Wellsville, pa. (artdog1512)
13. 06:18 PM - North East Gathering (Chuck Davis - Comcast)
14. 07:28 PM - FW: Quick weight and balance (Richard Swiderski)
15. 07:31 PM - FW: Quick weight and balance (Richard Swiderski)
16. 07:32 PM - Back in the air! (Fackler, Ken)
17. 08:18 PM - Re: Email Problems (Richard Swiderski)
18. 08:53 PM - nice flight (Dan Charter)
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| Subject: | Winged Migration |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
Warning: Not a Kolb specific subject, but one which will probably interest most
aviators.
I just watched the best aviating video ever called Winged Migration. It is an incredible 1 1/2 hour long close-up video of migrating birds all over the world. The video photography was amazing. Here is a link to the website about the Sony Pictures production and how they accomplished it. http://www.sonyclassics.com/wingedmigration/index_flash.html
Really worth a look for anyone who appreciates our feathered friends who inspired
us groundbound humans who require machines to emulate what they do by nature.
Thom in Buffalo
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Quick weight and balance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <JJP45@comcast.net>
That statement that you'll never get the designer to go along with
this method of weight and balance MAY BE TRUE , however , the CG is located
at the main spar connection ,
WHICH IS DESIGNED TO CARRY THE ENTIRE INFLIGHT WEIGHT , PLUS ALL
THE " G " FORCES , THAT I BELIEVE ARE CALCULATED AT " 6 G's " .
This method is the most accurate , provided attitude is maintained ,
i ; e ; 9 degrees .
JJP
FS II on Floats
( balanced by hanging )
503 DCDI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eugene Zimmerman" <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Quick weight and balance
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
<eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
>
> I'll bet you'll never get the designer of the plane to agree that that
> is an acceptable method to cg test a kolb.
>
> The root tube is not designed to support the total weight of plane and
> pilot at the cg.
>
>
> Richard Swiderski wrote:
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski"
<swiderski@rocketjet.net>
> >
> > Duane,
> > That's exactly what I did for my cg test on my UltraStar, I hung
her
> > from a tree! It was easier & quite straight forward.
> >
> > Richard Swiderski
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of H MITCHELL
> > To: kolblist
> > Subject: Kolb-List: Quick weight and balance
> >
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
> >
> > I have been shopping for scales to use in light plane weight and
balance.
> > Using the tail stand, plumb line, steel tape and doubled up bathroom
scales
> > to weigh each wheel after placing the blocks the same height as the
scale
> > under the other two wheels gets really cumbersome. If the object of this
> > effort is to locate the center of balance wouldn't it be easier to
attach a
> > come-along to one of the overhead beams in my hanger and lift the plane
at
> > different points on the root tube to determine the balance point? Side
to
> > side and wing attitude would have to be resolved but it sounds easier
than
> > scrambling around with the scales/blocks/calculator/plumb etc.? Of
course
> > you would not get the aircraft total weight but that could be done on a
> > truck scale with real accuracy if needed.
> >
> > Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL, Mk3/912
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel at North East Kolb gathering? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
For those of us Wellsville bound Fathers Day weekend. I see that there is
no fuel available at Shreeveport, Bermudian Valley, or Kampel.
Does anyone know if someone has fuel available on the field for the event?
If not, maybe we could enlist a member or two that plan on driving in to haul fuel
for those who will need it.
If not, what airports do you locals recommend for buying fuel?
Thanks,
Dennis Rowe, Mk-3, Western, PA
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| Subject: | Re: Quick weight and balance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "johnjung@compusenior.com" <johnjung@compusenior.com>
Group,
The hang from the root tube method would work to determine the balance
point, as long as the airplane hung at the same attitude as described in
the instructions. If it were not at the right attitude it would give an
error.
To me, it doesn't seem easier than the conventual method. I bought four
bathroom scales from Walmart for $24, and used the digital scale from my
bathroom for the tail.
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
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| Subject: | Fuel at North East Kolb gathering? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
I'll be heading down by car so as long as I'm there I'll be glad to haul
fuel I'll bring a 5 Gal can with me.
Ken James
Parts of a Mk III in the garage :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Denny Rowe [mailto:rowedl@highstream.net]
Subject: Kolb-List: Fuel at North East Kolb gathering?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
For those of us Wellsville bound Fathers Day weekend. I see that there
is no fuel available at Shreeveport, Bermudian Valley, or Kampel.
Does anyone know if someone has fuel available on the field for the event?
If not, maybe we could enlist a member or two that plan on driving in to
haul fuel for those who will need it.
If not, what airports do you locals recommend for buying fuel?
Thanks,
Dennis Rowe, Mk-3, Western, PA
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel at North East Kolb gathering? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Fuel at North East Kolb gathering?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
>
> I'll be heading down by car so as long as I'm there I'll be glad to haul
> fuel I'll bring a 5 Gal can with me.
>
> Ken James
> Parts of a Mk III in the garage :-)
>
Do not archive
Thanks Ken,
I just checked out Kampel airport on AirNav and it looks like they do have
100ll available. So in a pinch we can fuel up there.
I would appreciate any auto fuel (87 to 94 octane) you can bring for me to
buy so as to avoid 100ll if possible. Just bring a can of whatever grade you
use in your car so if we get weathered out or are otherwise unable to get
there, you can just use it yourselves.
Any others planning to drive in that could haul a can please do likewise. I
hope to fly a ton while there and will also be happy to give rides to those
who need a Kolb fix. Also, I am sure others will need fuel also.
Linda and I are planning on arriving Friday afternoon and leaving Sunday
afternoon.
My cell phone number is 724 448 8105, Lindas is 724 882 2751
Thanks,
Denny Rowe
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel at North East Kolb gathering? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
Denny Rowe wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
> For those of us Wellsville bound Fathers Day weekend. I see that there
is no fuel available at Shreeveport, Bermudian Valley, or Kampel.
> Does anyone know if someone has fuel available on the field for the event?
> If not, maybe we could enlist a member or two that plan on driving in to haul
fuel for those who will need it.
> If not, what airports do you locals recommend for buying fuel?
> Thanks,
> Dennis Rowe, Mk-3, Western, PA
>
>
Dennis,
Shreveport North has had a fuel wagon available in the past at the Fathers Day
fly-in. I would assume they will again. Also there is a gas
station right next to Smoketown Airport and folks there will help you out to get
auto gas on your flight to or from Homers.
Will be updating the list of Homer fly-in participants after the holidays. Also
will be checking with Homer about times and such.
Terry - FireFly #95
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| Subject: | Re: Central FL Kolber........ |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 05/25/2004 2:59:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
popaalpha@juno.com writes:
Hi Troops, I've been enjoying this site since I acquired a Firefly
Ultralite a couple of months ago. It was built nearly five years ago
with a 447, taxied, but never flown. I've since put a couple of local
flights on, within site of the Winter Haven Airport. It's pretty light on
wing loading, feeling perky, in any wind or light thermal activity, but
great climb performance and visibility... I'd like to hook up with any
flyers in the Central FL area. Saw (recognized) John H.'s Kolbra at Sun
n Fun. Would have liked to meet more of you. Maybe next year......Dick
Woodsum, (do not archive).
LUm at the villages up north of you Dick and am trying to bring my firestar
down in the next few weeks or so. Hold on Podner.
ps, I'm in Stow ohio now but will be coming down hopefully with it by July
George Randolph
firestar driver form The Villages, Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Flight to Monument Valley, and Back! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Uncle Craig,
dont'cha jess hate them looooong boreing trips home!!!! but count your
blesins, all ya gotta do is 2 mak taller landing gears & then you'll be able
2 still use that 3' rear door.
AzDave
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "CRAIG M NELSON" <vitalfx0@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flight to Monument Valley, and Back!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON" <vitalfx0@msn.com>
>
>
ya see the dern pump came off the plane inside the trailer . worked its way
to the rear ramp door, with all the excitment of m.v. and all, burrowed its
way through the door and on to the highway. bounced througha radiater of a
folowing hum V. causing steam to obstruct the drivers vision and he ran into
the trailer causing the door to open and then the f"in air plane bounced out
to the on coming trafic, causing fou fatatilies, one premature birth, a
droken index finger and three navaho indian braves ot drink a quart of fire
water. i didn't hav a clue. the trailer is 30 feet long 8' 4" wide and
inside is over 8' tall. when i got home the rear door was only 3' long(it
had been ground short by the paved highway) don't worry bout me i'll be ok.
> uncle craig
> MKIIIex 912uls warp
> arizona www.milows.com
>
> do not archive do not archive do not archive do not archive do not archive
do not archive do not archive do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Quick weight and balance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 05/27/2004 9:40:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com writes:
I'll bet you'll never get the designer of the plane to agree that that
is an acceptable method to cg test a kolb.
The root tube is not designed to support the total weight of plane and
pilot at the cg.
Richard Swiderski wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski"
<swiderski@rocketjet.net>
>
> Duane,
> That's exactly what I did for my cg test on my UltraStar, I hung her
> from a tree! It was easier & quite straight forward.
>
> Richard Swiderski
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of H MITCHELL
> To: kolblist
> Subject: Kolb-List: Quick weight and balance
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
>
> I have been shopping for scales to use in light plane weight and balance.
> Using the tail stand, plumb line, steel tape and doubled up bathroom scales
> to weigh each wheel after placing the blocks the same height as the scale
> under the other two wheels gets really cumbersome. If the object of this
> effort is to locate the center of balance wouldn't it be easier to attach a
> come-along to one of the overhead beams in my hanger and lift the plane at
> different points on the root tube to determine the balance point? Side to
> side and wing attitude would have to be resolved but it sounds easier than
> scrambling around with the scales/blocks/calculator/plumb etc.? Of course
> you would not get the aircraft total weight but that could be done on a
> truck scale with real accuracy if needed.
>
> Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL, Mk3/912
Whoa! it better be able to withstand that weight....that is where my
parachute is connected!~!!
George Randolph
firestrar driver fromn the Villages
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel at North East Kolb gathering?thumbs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary Thacker" <gbthacker@hotmail.com>
When and where is the gathering?
Gary
Souderton,Pa.
>From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel at North East Kolb gathering?
>Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 10:15:32 -0400
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Fuel at North East Kolb gathering?
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
> >
> > I'll be heading down by car so as long as I'm there I'll be glad to haul
> > fuel I'll bring a 5 Gal can with me.
> >
> > Ken James
> > Parts of a Mk III in the garage :-)
> >
>
>Do not archive
>Thanks Ken,
>I just checked out Kampel airport on AirNav and it looks like they do have
>100ll available. So in a pinch we can fuel up there.
>I would appreciate any auto fuel (87 to 94 octane) you can bring for me to
>buy so as to avoid 100ll if possible. Just bring a can of whatever grade
>you
>use in your car so if we get weathered out or are otherwise unable to get
>there, you can just use it yourselves.
>Any others planning to drive in that could haul a can please do likewise. I
>hope to fly a ton while there and will also be happy to give rides to those
>who need a Kolb fix. Also, I am sure others will need fuel also.
>Linda and I are planning on arriving Friday afternoon and leaving Sunday
>afternoon.
>My cell phone number is 724 448 8105, Lindas is 724 882 2751
>Thanks,
>Denny Rowe
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: artdog1512 <nazz57@yahoo.com>
Time: 05:33:23 AM PST US
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: North East Gathering
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe"
<rowedl@highstream.net>
Nor Easters,
Anyone else getting pumped for the Wellsville - Kolb
gathering and
Fly-out to Homers?
Keep praying for some dryer weather cause we sure have
not had it yet.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, Leechburg, PA>>>>
hey denny,
does anybody want to take any bets that
Wellsville Father's Day weekend will be "rained out"?
its only been "weathered out" the past 4 out of 5
years... i wanna go but i ain't gonna put any faith in
the weather.. we'll see ........ tim
do not archive
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"Kolb-List Digest List" <kolb-list-digest@matronics.com>
| Subject: | North East Gathering |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Davis - Comcast" <davis207@comcast.net>
I plan on attending and have bunkhouse reservtions Friday and Saturday
night. Is anyone compiling a list of those expected? I know some folks
were planning on joining up for the last leg in Friday morning from
Smoketown.
Last Sunday I got back in the air for only the 3rd time this year. (Nasty
weather in the Northeast). Flew down an hour to Cross Keys NJ where Bill
Varnes EAA chapter put on a heck of a pancake breakfast. Bill does some
mean eggs! The airport looks to be doing OK and the skydiving school
accross the runway is doing very well. Since last summer, they've built new
outdoor decks, opened a skydiving equipment store and re-built and expanded
the "Cut-Away Cafe." With so many closing, it's nice to see a small airport
doing well.
Chuck Davis
> > Time: 05:33:23 AM PST US
> From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
> Subject: Kolb-List: North East Gathering
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
> Nor Easters,
> Anyone else getting pumped for the Wellsville - Kolb gathering and Fly-out
to Homers?
> Keep praying for some dryer weather cause we sure have not had it yet.
>
> Denny Rowe, Mk-3, Leechburg, PA
>
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| Subject: | Quick weight and balance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@rocketjet.net>
Eugene,
Actually, Homer discussed it with me & said he did it that way
himself (we were talking about an UltraStar which has no root tube.) The
laws of physics do not care if the plane is balancing from the top or the
bottom, its all the same. Regarding the root tube, I personally believe it
would have no trouble supporting twice the weight, they are very robust, but
there are always scales if one is in doubt. Bob, your mentioning the angle
of attack that the plane would be hanging at is indeed relative to the
process, if the tail is way low then more weight would need to be shifted
forward, if it were hanging from the rear of the cg range. ...Richard
Swiderski
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
<eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
I'll bet you'll never get the designer of the plane to agree that that
is an acceptable method to cg test a kolb.
The root tube is not designed to support the total weight of plane and
pilot at the cg.
Richard Swiderski wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski"
<swiderski@rocketjet.net>
>
> Duane,
> That's exactly what I did for my cg test on my UltraStar, I hung
her
> from a tree! It was easier & quite straight forward.
>
> Richard Swiderski
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of H MITCHELL
> To: kolblist
> Subject: Kolb-List: Quick weight and balance
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
>
> I have been shopping for scales to use in light plane weight and balance.
> Using the tail stand, plumb line, steel tape and doubled up bathroom
scales
> to weigh each wheel after placing the blocks the same height as the scale
> under the other two wheels gets really cumbersome. If the object of this
> effort is to locate the center of balance wouldn't it be easier to attach
a
> come-along to one of the overhead beams in my hanger and lift the plane at
> different points on the root tube to determine the balance point? Side to
> side and wing attitude would have to be resolved but it sounds easier than
> scrambling around with the scales/blocks/calculator/plumb etc.? Of course
> you would not get the aircraft total weight but that could be done on a
> truck scale with real accuracy if needed.
>
> Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL, Mk3/912
>
>
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| Subject: | Quick weight and balance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@rocketjet.net>
Eugene,
Actually, Homer discussed it with me & said he did it that way
himself (we were talking about an UltraStar which has no root tube.) The
laws of physics do not care if the plane is balancing from the top or the
bottom, its all the same. Regarding the root tube, I personally believe it
would have no trouble supporting twice the weight, they are very robust, but
there are always scales if one is in doubt. Bob, your mentioning the angle
of attack that the plane would be hanging at is indeed relative to the
process, if the tail is way low then more weight would need to be shifted
forward, if it were hanging from the rear of the cg range. ...Richard
Swiderski
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
<eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
I'll bet you'll never get the designer of the plane to agree that that
is an acceptable method to cg test a kolb.
The root tube is not designed to support the total weight of plane and
pilot at the cg.
Richard Swiderski wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski"
<swiderski@rocketjet.net>
>
> Duane,
> That's exactly what I did for my cg test on my UltraStar, I hung
her
> from a tree! It was easier & quite straight forward.
>
> Richard Swiderski
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of H MITCHELL
> To: kolblist
> Subject: Kolb-List: Quick weight and balance
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
>
> I have been shopping for scales to use in light plane weight and balance.
> Using the tail stand, plumb line, steel tape and doubled up bathroom
scales
> to weigh each wheel after placing the blocks the same height as the scale
> under the other two wheels gets really cumbersome. If the object of this
> effort is to locate the center of balance wouldn't it be easier to attach
a
> come-along to one of the overhead beams in my hanger and lift the plane at
> different points on the root tube to determine the balance point? Side to
> side and wing attitude would have to be resolved but it sounds easier than
> scrambling around with the scales/blocks/calculator/plumb etc.? Of course
> you would not get the aircraft total weight but that could be done on a
> truck scale with real accuracy if needed.
>
> Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL, Mk3/912
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
Well, gentlemen, after a final inspection and a lucky break in the weather,
I got the Mark II back in the air this evening. Nothing radical, just a
couple of circuits around the pattern. But nothing broke and nothing fell
off, so I guess the repairs are a-ok.
Again, thanks to all for the support and offers of assistance.
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@rocketjet.net>
My email is erratic in being posted, gets refused (undeliverable)at times &
sometimes works fine. I tried disabling Norton Antivirus & had no change.
Any ideas out there?
Richard Swiderski
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
I just got back from a great flight over to a flying buddy's house in Zim MN. It
takes me 35 min. to get there. The air was smooth and cool. Most of the flight
is over farm land which is not the case where most my flying is done. He fired
his Preceptor pup with a 1/2 VW and followed us(Firestar & Himax) about 10
miles before he went back home. At 9 AM the air was real trashy but the evening
air was fantastic. The storms will be here tomorrow. Bummer
Dan Charter
Firestar 1
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