---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/15/04: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:05 AM - fergy (Ted Cowan) 2. 04:11 AM - Re: N.E. Fly-in (Earl & Mim Zimmerman) 3. 04:14 AM - Re: 912 carb linkage (Paul Petty) 4. 05:34 AM - Gascolator (Robert Mason) 5. 05:53 AM - Re: 912 carb linkage/Rutan perspective (N27SB@aol.com) 6. 06:03 AM - Re: Gascolator (Richard Pike) 7. 06:26 AM - Re: Gascolator (Denny Rowe) 8. 06:43 AM - Re: N.E. Fly-in (Denny Rowe) 9. 06:51 AM - Re: Gascolator (Timandjan@aol.com) 10. 06:59 AM - Re: Gascolator (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 11. 07:57 AM - Monument Valley (Dave & Eve Pelletier) 12. 08:09 AM - Re: Monument Valley (Larry Bourne) 13. 08:10 AM - You`ve got 1 VoiceMessage! (Russell Johnson) 14. 08:32 AM - Re: Monument Valley (Dave & Eve Pelletier) 15. 09:12 AM - Re: Monument Valley (FS2Kolb@aol.com) 16. 09:13 AM - abandoned plane (Paul Petty) 17. 09:25 AM - Re: Monument Valley (Paul Petty) 18. 09:46 AM - Re: Monument Valley (Gherkins Tim-rp3420) 19. 10:12 AM - Re: Monument Valley (Dave & Eve Pelletier) 20. 10:15 AM - Re: Monument Valley abandoned plane (WillUribe@aol.com) 21. 10:49 AM - Flight to Barrow, Alaska (John Hauck) 22. 11:07 AM - Test Message 1 (jerb) 23. 11:09 AM - Test Message 2 (jerb) 24. 11:41 AM - Trailering a Kolb FireFly - 2nd try (jerb) 25. 12:00 PM - Re: Test Message 1 (Bob N.) 26. 12:02 PM - Re: Test Message 2 (Bob N.) 27. 01:35 PM - Re: Monument Valley (Dave & Eve Pelletier) 28. 04:02 PM - Re: Trailering a Kolb FireFly - 2nd try (Dan Charter) 29. 04:32 PM - Re: Trailering a Kolb FireFly - 2nd try (Gary r. voigt) 30. 04:50 PM - Strange Plate (Dave & Eve Pelletier) 31. 05:10 PM - FireFly Thrust Line and Cruise Speed Change (Jack & Louise Hart) 32. 08:13 PM - Re: You`ve got 1 VoiceMessage! (Larry Bourne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:59 AM PST US From: Ted Cowan Subject: Kolb-List: fergy --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ted Cowan I dont think anyone needs to worry about the fergy being a copy of the Kolb anymore. From what I can see and tell, they have changed the fergy so much it doesnt even resemble itself any more, let alone a Kolb except it has two wings and a tail. they are working on a single place all beefed up to take a 912. gonna be a hot rod but there is not much room in the pit for the pilot and stuff, less than in the sling shot. everybody has their own ideas. anyone out there who thinks a 503 is good enough for a fergy two place, better check with a new widow out there. density altitute and weight got it and killed the pilot and serious injured the son. bless them all. hope he makes it. Accident took place in Northern Georgia two weeks ago I believe. ted cowan ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:11:47 AM PST US From: Earl & Mim Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: N.E. Fly-in --> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman Terry wrote: > The fly-in at Shreveport North at Wellsville starts on Friday the 18th. > and will be a good staging point for the flight to Homer's on Saturday. > Their also looking forward to a good group of us coming to their fly-in. > Remember to call ahead if you need lodging there, he has very limited > space. Your welcome to tent if you want to. Check his web page for > details and pattern protocol. "Footlightranch.com", click on the > Mason-Dixon Ultralight Fly-in. Terry, Are there any more detailed plans for the Homer flight? What time do you plan to get there? How long do you plan on staying, and will you be going back to Shreveport from there? If the weather is real nice I don't want to miss the activities at Shreveport. Who all is leaving from Smoketown? ~ Earl ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:29 AM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 912 carb linkage --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Ed, So true! I never thought of the carburetors default to WOT in a hand start configuration. New to aviation, I learn something every day, thank you. This is interesting to me because as I have been around many ultralight aircraft machines in the past year or so. I have often stood and watched folks hand start their machines with a pull start and wondered how many folks have been injured in this process. Hand propping a GA aircraft, I notice they recommend one having a pilot at the controls, however I see folk's do alone without chocks under the wheels all the time! I guess not even the best of preflight inspections, even checking the throttle cable could prevent this from becoming an issue. As a matter of fact, just this past weekend a friend and me went to look at a Super Cat ultralight for sale and the owner started the engine for us in his shop with the wings off and he did have good chocks on the wheels. However this was a tractor configuration and the starter rope was very close to the prop! When it came to life the owner had to rush to the cockpit to gain control of the machine (a tail wheel aircraft) and he barley got her slow enough to keep her from nosing over. Scary to think what might of happened if the wings had been on her! So I guess the default setting of the carburetor is a personal choice. For me it's wide open baby! However I have an electric starter and dual disc matco brakes. If I had to stand outside the cockpit and hand start the machine I would have a helmet and a close call tether kill wire attached........... Paul Petty Building Ms. Dixie Kolbra/912UL/Warp do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 912 carb linkage > --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com > > In a message dated 6/13/04 4:54:11 AM Central Standard Time, Lynnp@c-gate.net > writes: > > << > Simple just turn the ignition off...... >> > > Paul, > I guess the obvious wasnt so obvious, But I would still hate to be > standing on the ground pulling on the starter of the Firefly, and have full > throttle, when I thought I had the throttle set at Idle. That is what it would be if > the cable broke unawares. Either way could pose a deadly result. > > Ed Do Not Archive > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:00 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Gascolator From: Robert Mason --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Mason I have completed my gas tank and I'm considering using a gascolators. At MV I did not notice if anyone was using one, and forgot to ask...Any suggestions use and brand? Robert Mason Xtra 582 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:37 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 912 carb linkage/Rutan perspective --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com For what it's worth, Burt Rutan called for wot on cable failure on every design I remember. Both the of the EZ designs were hand propped for weight savings. The nose down pusher config was self-chocking and main gear chocks on a string were recommended for solo operation. With the original hp guidlines the ac would be stable on wot. Even though most of us doubled the hp and added starters I flew with many of the guys that hand started. Maybe some of Rutan's logic can apply here. I found the following web page some time ago, if you go to the last picture he talks about a remote release for hand starting. http://users.erols.com/donreid/photos/Tailwheel/kr_tailwheel.htm A cockpit tailwheel release and wot default might be a good balance of safety. For what it's worth. DO NOT ARCHIVE Steve Boetto N272SB MKIII Classic Building wings Longwood,FL ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:30 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gascolator --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike I made my own, here's how: http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg13.html Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive At 05:33 AM 6/15/2004 -0700, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Mason > >I have completed my gas tank and I'm considering using a gascolators. At MV >I did not notice if anyone was using one, and forgot to ask...Any >suggestions use and brand? > >Robert Mason >Xtra 582 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:21 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gascolator --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" Robert, Do Not use Aircraft Spruces inexpensive gascolator that is not compatable with auto fuel, it's seal and bowl SUCK! I am on my third modification trying to get a combo that seals and stays sealed when a fuel sample is taken. I have wound up with a bowl I machined out of 6061 with a groove for an 032 Viton o-ring on the sealing surface. If it leaks this time, I am going to smash the entire thing with my biggest sledge hammer. Denny (Flying without a gascolator :-( ) Rowe, MK-3 do not archive > I have completed my gas tank and I'm considering using a gascolators. At MV > I did not notice if anyone was using one, and forgot to ask...Any > suggestions use and brand? > > Robert Mason > Xtra 582 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:21 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: N.E. Fly-in --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" > Terry wrote: > > > The fly-in at Shreveport North at Wellsville starts on Friday the 18th. > > and will be a good staging point for the flight to Homer's on Saturday. > > Their also looking forward to a good group of us coming to their fly-in. > > Remember to call ahead if you need lodging there, he has very limited > > space. Your welcome to tent if you want to. Check his web page for > > details and pattern protocol. "Footlightranch.com", click on the > > Mason-Dixon Ultralight Fly-in. > > Terry, > Are there any more detailed plans for the Homer flight? What time do > you plan to get there? How long do you plan on staying, and will you be > going back to Shreveport from there? If the weather is real nice I don't > want to miss the activities at Shreveport. Who all is leaving from > Smoketown? ~ Earl > > Earl others, I plan on leaving Shreveport on Saturday morning and either flying to Homers direct, or meeting Terry and others at Smoketown, depends on what others making the trip are doing, and how the timing works out. I will be returning to Shreveport in the afternoon and staying there till Sunday. Of course this all depends on the weather and the Good Lords will. Denny Rowe, Mk-3 PS: Would it be a good idea for all of us to exchange cell phone numbers so we have a way of keeping track of whos where? ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:37 AM PST US From: Timandjan@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gascolator --> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com > I used one from a early cessna 140 that I got second hand, I welded on > attach points under the fuel tanks when I built the Firestar2, its the lowest > point in the fuel system and I drain it before every flight. Works great, and is > very simple. I was more concerned with having a drain at the lowest point > than an extra filter. > Tim > > do not archive > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:30 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gascolator --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" I'm using a gascolator I got from Great Plains Aircraft with a Curtis drain valve. It seems like it was quite a bit less than they are charging now but it works well with auto fuel and aviation fuel. It has been in service for six years with no leaks. The gascolator is mounted at the low point of the fuel system and the drain valve sticks out the side of the fuselage just above and forward of the lift strut attachment. I drain and check the fuel before every flight. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Mason" Subject: Kolb-List: Gascolator > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Mason > > I have completed my gas tank and I'm considering using a gascolators. At MV > I did not notice if anyone was using one, and forgot to ask...Any > suggestions use and brand? > > Robert Mason > Xtra 582 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:45 AM PST US From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Guys, I got a call yesterday evening from Wayland LaFont, VP at Gouldings. He wants to get that "crashed plane" out of there. Heck, I thought the owner was going to pick it up the following weekend. He's concerned because it looks bad and doesn't know who the owner is. Neither do I. I talked to them when they were going home with Uncle Craig's bunch, but didn't get any names. If any of you know how to contact them, or names, or numbers, or ????, let me know off list. I promised to call Wayland back ASAP with info and need help. My phone number is 928 771-2295. Also, I don't know what's happening with the list. I sent this note out yesterday evening and it hasn't appeared yet. I'm sending this one out as a "reply" to see if it gets through. AzDave Do Not Archive > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:33 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" It's owned by John Wood, of San Diego. I tried emailing him, but got no reply. Maybe Tim Gerkin or Uncle Craig got his email or a phone # ?? Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" > > Guys, > > I got a call yesterday evening from Wayland LaFont, VP at Gouldings. He > wants to get that "crashed plane" out of there. Heck, I thought the owner > was going to pick it up the following weekend. He's concerned because it > looks bad and doesn't know who the owner is. Neither do I. I talked to > them when they were going home with Uncle Craig's bunch, but didn't get any > names. If any of you know how to contact them, or names, or numbers, or > ????, let me know off list. I promised to call Wayland back ASAP with info > and need help. My phone number is 928 771-2295. > > Also, I don't know what's happening with the list. I sent this note out > yesterday evening and it hasn't appeared yet. I'm sending this one out as a > "reply" to see if it gets through. > > AzDave > > Do Not Archive > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:57 AM PST US From: Russell Johnson Subject: Kolb-List: You`ve got 1 VoiceMessage! --> Kolb-List message posted by: Russell Johnson Dear Customer! You`ve got 1 VoiceMessage from voicemessage.com website! You can listen your Virtual VoiceMessage at the following link: http://virt.voicemessage.com/index.listen.php2=35affv or by clicking the attached link. Send VoiceMessage! Try our new virtual VoiceMessage Empire! Best regards: SNAF.Team (R). ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:06 AM PST US From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Thanks, that's a start...What kind of plane is it, RV6? AzDave Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > It's owned by John Wood, of San Diego. I tried emailing him, but got no > reply. Maybe Tim Gerkin or Uncle Craig got his email or a phone # ?? > Lar. Do not Archive. > > Larry Bourne > Palm Springs, CA > Building Kolb Mk III > N78LB Vamoose > www.gogittum.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" > To: > Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" > > > > > Guys, > > > > I got a call yesterday evening from Wayland LaFont, VP at Gouldings. > He > > wants to get that "crashed plane" out of there. Heck, I thought the owner > > was going to pick it up the following weekend. He's concerned because it > > looks bad and doesn't know who the owner is. Neither do I. I talked to > > them when they were going home with Uncle Craig's bunch, but didn't get > any > > names. If any of you know how to contact them, or names, or numbers, or > > ????, let me know off list. I promised to call Wayland back ASAP with > info > > and need help. My phone number is 928 771-2295. > > > > Also, I don't know what's happening with the list. I sent this note > out > > yesterday evening and it hasn't appeared yet. I'm sending this one out as > a > > "reply" to see if it gets through. > > > > AzDave > > > > Do Not Archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:01 AM PST US From: FS2Kolb@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley --> Kolb-List message posted by: FS2Kolb@aol.com In a message dated 6/15/2004 9:32:43 AM Mountain Standard Time, pelletier@cableone.net writes: Thanks, that's a start...What kind of plane is it, RV6? AzDave N-number : N123FP Aircraft Serial Number : 20458 Aircraft Manufacturer : PHILLIPS FRANK Model : RV6-A Engine Manufacturer : LYCOMING Model : 0-320 SERIES Aircraft Year : Not Specified Owner Name : WOOD JOHN T Owner Address : 1605 LA MESA AVE SPRING VALLEY, CA, 91977-4625 Type of Owner : Partnership Registration Date : 25-Feb-2004 Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental Approved Operations : Amateur Built ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:09 AM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: abandoned plane --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" What was the date of the crash? I remember seeing it on the FAA website. Perhaps we can search the data base and run the N number for a name and phone number. Paul Petty Building Ms. Dixie Kolbra/912UL/Warp www.c-gate.net/~ppetty do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:13 AM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Yeah Like that! LOL Man you guys are fast! pp do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley > --> Kolb-List message posted by: FS2Kolb@aol.com > > In a message dated 6/15/2004 9:32:43 AM Mountain Standard Time, > pelletier@cableone.net writes: > Thanks, that's a start...What kind of plane is it, RV6? > AzDave > N-number : N123FP Aircraft Serial Number : 20458 > Aircraft Manufacturer : PHILLIPS FRANK > Model : RV6-A > Engine Manufacturer : LYCOMING > Model : 0-320 SERIES > Aircraft Year : Not Specified > Owner Name : WOOD JOHN T > Owner Address : 1605 LA MESA AVE > SPRING VALLEY, CA, 91977-4625 > Type of Owner : Partnership > Registration Date : 25-Feb-2004 > Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental > Approved Operations : Amateur Built > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:23 AM PST US From: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Monument Valley --> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 Kolbers, I am very suprised to hear that John Woods RV6 is still there? Johns intentions was to get up to MV the next week and with his partner and trailer it home. Man, that was almost five weeks ago!? Tim Gherkins -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Petty Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Yeah Like that! LOL Man you guys are fast! pp do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley > --> Kolb-List message posted by: FS2Kolb@aol.com > > In a message dated 6/15/2004 9:32:43 AM Mountain Standard Time, > pelletier@cableone.net writes: > Thanks, that's a start...What kind of plane is it, RV6? > AzDave > N-number : N123FP Aircraft Serial Number : 20458 > Aircraft Manufacturer : PHILLIPS FRANK > Model : RV6-A > Engine Manufacturer : LYCOMING > Model : 0-320 SERIES > Aircraft Year : Not Specified > Owner Name : WOOD JOHN T > Owner Address : 1605 LA MESA AVE > SPRING VALLEY, CA, 91977-4625 > Type of Owner : Partnership > Registration Date : 25-Feb-2004 > Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental > Approved Operations : Amateur Built > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:25 AM PST US From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Guys, Thanks for the help. I now have the info I need, and the phone number is verified. Nobody home now but I've left a message and will call this evening. I'll keep you informed. AzDave Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: abandoned plane > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > What was the date of the crash? I remember seeing it on the FAA website. Perhaps we can search the data base and run the N number for a name and phone number. > Paul Petty > Building Ms. Dixie > Kolbra/912UL/Warp > www.c-gate.net/~ppetty > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:29 AM PST US From: WillUribe@aol.com Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Monument Valley abandoned plane --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com Maybe John did pickup his RV6 and we are assuming an abandon airplane at Monument Valley is his. BTW, any Kolb pilots in the Norfolk Virginia area? I will be working there for two weeks. Regards, Will Uribe El Paso, TX FireStar II N4GU C-172 N2506U http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/ Do not archive and my apologies to anyone who is offended by this post. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gherkins Tim-rp3420 Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Monument Valley --> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 Kolbers, I am very suprised to hear that John Woods RV6 is still there? Johns intentions was to get up to MV the next week and with his partner and trailer it home. Man, that was almost five weeks ago!? Tim Gherkins ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:33 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Flight to Barrow, Alaska --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Hi Gang: For those that are interested, here's some flight data I have come up with for the flight to Barrow, Alaska: Distance: 4,822 sm (Direct flight is only 3669.5 sm) (Straight line a lot shorter, but not nearly as fun and interesting) ETE: 65 hours Fuel: 321 gal Not hard to make a pretty good flight out of going and returning home: 9,644 sm 130 hours 642 gal I hope the flight will be much longer than that though. I also plan on a flight to Inuvik, North West Territory, Canada, the northernmost point of the North American Continent in Canada, plus a lot of flying in the Alaska region to places I did not have a chance to fly to on my previous two Alaska flights. The figures, above, are much the same as what I got on the flight to Barrow, back to Oroville, WA, east to Oshkosh, WI, and south to Titus, AL. Wish you all could go with me. I'll take a lot of pictures and try to keep you updated on the Internet by email. Take care, john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:17 AM PST US From: jerb Subject: Kolb-List: Test Message 1 --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb This is a test message to see if my messages are getting posted to the list. jerb ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:11 AM PST US From: jerb Subject: Kolb-List: Test Message 2 --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Test message 2 dna ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:59 AM PST US From: jerb Subject: Kolb-List: Trailering a Kolb FireFly - 2nd try --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Hey Folks, The new owner of our Kolb FireFly has been fighting weather here in Texas for several weekends and we have finely decided to transport it on a trailer to get it home, about 275 miles. I need some guidance on how to do this on an open trailer with a wood deck and minimize any chance of damage. I found an old post by Ralph about leaving the wings on and would prefer leaving the wings attached at the folding mechanism. This all seems simple until your faced with actually doing it. Can it be transported with the tail folded up, and the wings (rotated to a vertical position) and folded back along side the boom tube supported on say a old couch cushion on the bed of the trailer and strapped down. What I had in mind is we would strap the wheels down at the inside axle with the boom tube tied down to a padded support with the tail wheel off the deck. That will keep the tail wheel spring from bounding and prevent side movement. The Horiz. stab tail surfaces would be folded up with foam padding inserted in between them and held against the vertical stab by a 2x3" padded boards on each side held and snugged together by bolts with wing nuts on each on each end. Note - the wings do not have the holes cut out for the folded position storage bracket nor has the hole been drilled in the boom tube for it. I thought the wings could be folded back along side the boom tube with the leading edge in board of the tip supported on a old couch cushion and then strapped down to prevent movement. The flaperons would be held in a vertical position with a bungee cord between the two - maybe a lock on each wing to hold them straight up. Planned to cover the front and full enclosed cockpit with a light weight (blue) tarp to protect it from rain and road debris. Comments and suggestions welcomed. If you might have a few pictures of how you successfully done this I would appreciate your emailing me a copy direct. Thanks - the new owner have been very patient but we giving up on the weekend weather. jerb ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:00:52 PM PST US From: "Bob N." Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Test Message 1 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." L & C Bob N. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:06 PM PST US From: "Bob N." Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Test Message 2 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." Number Two Still L & C Bob N. do not archive ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:35:30 PM PST US From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Hi Guys, John Woods called me and he will get in touch with Wayland at Gouldings tomorrow. They've been waiting on parts. A friend (or someone) has parts ordered and they were supposed to be in this week. That person then will go to Gouldings and repair the plane and fly it out. I figure that John talking to Wayland will take care of the problem, but I will call Wayland tomorrow to make sure. Thanks for all the help. AzDave Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" > > Guys, > > I got a call yesterday evening from Wayland LaFont, VP at Gouldings. He > wants to get that "crashed plane" out of there. > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:21 PM PST US From: "Dan Charter" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailering a Kolb FireFly - 2nd try --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Charter" You can keep the wings from flapping when folded by connecting them with pvc pipe with a couple of 90's. Secure it to the deck with plumbers tape and screws. It worked when I hauled mine 330 miles. Do Not Archive Dan Charter ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerb" Subject: Kolb-List: Trailering a Kolb FireFly - 2nd try > --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb > > Hey Folks, > The new owner of our Kolb FireFly has been fighting weather here in Texas > for several weekends and we have finely decided to transport it on a > trailer to get it home, about 275 miles. > > I need some guidance on how to do this on an open trailer with a wood deck > and minimize any chance of damage. I found an old post by Ralph about > leaving the wings on and would prefer leaving the wings attached at the > folding mechanism. This all seems simple until your faced with actually > doing it. > > Can it be transported with the tail folded up, and the wings (rotated to a > vertical position) and folded back along side the boom tube supported on > say a old couch cushion on the bed of the trailer and strapped down. > > What I had in mind is we would strap the wheels down at the inside axle > with the boom tube tied down to a padded support with the tail wheel off > the deck. That will keep the tail wheel spring from bounding and prevent > side movement. The Horiz. stab tail surfaces would be folded up with foam > padding inserted in between them and held against the vertical stab by a > 2x3" padded boards on each side held and snugged together by bolts with > wing nuts on each on each end. Note - the wings do not have the holes cut > out for the folded position storage bracket nor has the hole been drilled > in the boom tube for it. I thought the wings could be folded back along > side the boom tube with the leading edge in board of the tip supported on a > old couch cushion and then strapped down to prevent movement. The > flaperons would be held in a vertical position with a bungee cord between > the two - maybe a lock on each wing to hold them straight up. Planned to > cover the front and full enclosed cockpit with a light weight (blue) tarp > to protect it from rain and road debris. > > Comments and suggestions welcomed. If you might have a few pictures of how > you successfully done this I would appreciate your emailing me a copy direct. > > Thanks - the new owner have been very patient but we giving up on the > weekend weather. > jerb > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:04 PM PST US From: "Gary r. voigt" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailering a Kolb FireFly - 2nd try --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary r. voigt" Hello Jerb, the only comment i can contribute is when i trailered mine about 120 miles i used that shrink wrap stuff in a medium mill and started at the nose and went all the way back to the tail in it's own little cacun and she was tight as a drum and if it rained it was protected that way too...i overlaped about 50% and it slipped through the air like nothing and no noise...i think i paid about 20.00 for 1400' and it was 18" wide. good luck. thanks, Gary r. voigt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Charter" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailering a Kolb FireFly - 2nd try > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Charter" > > You can keep the wings from flapping when folded by connecting them with pvc > pipe with a couple of 90's. Secure it to the deck with plumbers tape and > screws. It worked when I hauled mine 330 miles. Do Not Archive > Dan Charter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jerb" > To: "Kolb List" > Subject: Kolb-List: Trailering a Kolb FireFly - 2nd try > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb > > > > Hey Folks, > > The new owner of our Kolb FireFly has been fighting weather here in Texas > > for several weekends and we have finely decided to transport it on a > > trailer to get it home, about 275 miles. > > > > I need some guidance on how to do this on an open trailer with a wood deck > > and minimize any chance of damage. I found an old post by Ralph about > > leaving the wings on and would prefer leaving the wings attached at the > > folding mechanism. This all seems simple until your faced with actually > > doing it. > > > > Can it be transported with the tail folded up, and the wings (rotated to a > > vertical position) and folded back along side the boom tube supported on > > say a old couch cushion on the bed of the trailer and strapped down. > > > > What I had in mind is we would strap the wheels down at the inside axle > > with the boom tube tied down to a padded support with the tail wheel off > > the deck. That will keep the tail wheel spring from bounding and prevent > > side movement. The Horiz. stab tail surfaces would be folded up with foam > > padding inserted in between them and held against the vertical stab by a > > 2x3" padded boards on each side held and snugged together by bolts with > > wing nuts on each on each end. Note - the wings do not have the holes cut > > out for the folded position storage bracket nor has the hole been drilled > > in the boom tube for it. I thought the wings could be folded back along > > side the boom tube with the leading edge in board of the tip supported on > a > > old couch cushion and then strapped down to prevent movement. The > > flaperons would be held in a vertical position with a bungee cord between > > the two - maybe a lock on each wing to hold them straight up. Planned to > > cover the front and full enclosed cockpit with a light weight (blue) tarp > > to protect it from rain and road debris. > > > > Comments and suggestions welcomed. If you might have a few pictures of > how > > you successfully done this I would appreciate your emailing me a copy > direct. > > > > Thanks - the new owner have been very patient but we giving up on the > > weekend weather. > > jerb > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:56 PM PST US From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Subject: Kolb-List: Strange Plate --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Guys, As some of you know, I am re covering my MK III Classic. Wings, elevators and flaps are covered and now I'm starting on the tail feathers. When stripping the old cover off the elevators I noticed a metal plate, 1" by 2", fastened to the third rib from the end just aft of the tube on the top side of each elevator. I can't figure out what its function is. Doesn't seem like anything touches it or even comes close since the paint isn't scratched. It is riveted into the rib by just one rivet and lays flat along the rib. Any ideas? Do I need to put it back? If not, should I stick a rivet in the hole in the rib? AzDave Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:16 PM PST US From: Jack & Louise Hart Subject: Kolb-List: FireFly Thrust Line and Cruise Speed Change --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart FireFlyers and Kolbers, Today, I ran a study to see what happens when one moves the thrust line up about seven and three-quarters inches. The propeller was set to limit engine speed to 6,000 rpm in level flight. Data was taken at cruise rpm of 5,200. Basically the move cost me 4.5 mph. The results can be seen on the update attached to the bottom of: http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly56.html I believe what it is telling me is that one must pay very close attention to feeding clean air into the propeller that is pushing. My next effort will be to clean up the center section under the wing and just aft of the engine. 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