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1. 04:19 AM - TNK site (Bob Bean)
2. 05:59 AM - Shotgun Starter? (David Paule)
3. 06:40 AM - Re: FireFly Thrust Line and Cruise Speed Change (Richard Swiderski)
4. 10:16 AM - burt rutan space flight this coming monday (Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com)
5. 10:19 AM - Re: TNK site (Giovanni Day)
6. 10:33 AM - Northeast Radio Frequencies (Daniel Walter)
7. 10:55 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 06/16/04 (PaulServaty@aol.com)
8. 11:19 AM - Re: Northeast Radio Frequencies (Terry)
9. 11:57 AM - Re: Northeast Radio Frequencies (Denny Rowe)
10. 01:06 PM - Re: 912 carb linkage/Rutan perspective (DAquaNut@aol.com)
11. 01:37 PM - Re: 912 carb linkage/Rutan perspective (N27SB@aol.com)
12. 03:55 PM - Re: Re: New Firefly for sale message of Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:56:36 -0700 (Giovanni Day)
13. 06:15 PM - Re: Re: New Firefly for sale message of Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:56:36 -0700 (Giovanni Day)
14. 07:14 PM - FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix (David Paule)
15. 08:17 PM - Re: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix (HShack@aol.com)
16. 09:38 PM - Re: N.E. Fly-in (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
The new website is now functional but...."the M3X sits more higher" ??????
reminds me when my little brother used to say "more bigger"
-BB, do not archive
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| Subject: | Shotgun Starter? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
I wonder if a shotgun starter could be made that pulls the recoil start
line? The thing is, it could be made quite light weight.
Might not need a shotgun charge, something smaller might work, too. The
basic concept was used before WW II, but of course it would need to be
designed anew for this application.
Dave Paule
FSII Boulder, CO
=============
> I guess the best solution would be an electric starter. But on my
> Firefly that would make me non compliant with with ultralight regs.
> Overweight.
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| Subject: | FireFly Thrust Line and Cruise Speed Change |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@isp.com>
Jack,
Ditto Ed's comment. I don't have a FireFly & I still treasure you
logging your experiments with us. I save them all.
Richard Swiderski
SlingShot
Jack,
Just wanted to say that I for one appriciate you posting your
experimets
with the firefly and taking your time to share. Your info has been a great
help to me even though I havent flown mine yet. There seem to be a lot less
fireflies out there and less advice.
Keep it up,
Ed (Hou)
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| Subject: | burt rutan space flight this coming monday |
06/17/2004 01:16:16 PM
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
Listers:
I was amazed to learn of a not-so-well publicized, major event this coming
Monday (June 21): The first manned space flight by a private business will
be attempted by the Burt Rutan led Scaled Composites team in Mojave,
California. A rocket ship will be carried to about 50,000 feet under a
bizarre looking plane dubbed "The Wight Knight", then released. The plan
is to then fire the rocket and subsequently coast up to the maximum
altitude of about 62 miles before re-entering the atmosphere, where the
pilot will then fly it as a glider back down to the Mojave airport. The
rocket will not orbit the earth, but will reach space with a man aboard.
The public is invited to go to Mojave and witness the takeoff and landing
up close. You should also be able to see the flare of the rocket when it
fires with the unaided eye and of course much better with binoculars.
check the web site for photos and further details: www.scaled.com
Pretty amazing!
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Erich Weaver
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Looks like Travis got it lined out. No more popups and standard web
fonts. Looks great, very professional. Thanks Travis and gang.
Giovanni Day
MKIII/912 putting the final touches on the wings for covering.
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| Subject: | Northeast Radio Frequencies |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Daniel Walter" <worrybear@paonline.com>
North Easter,s, Does anyone know the radio frequencies for Shrevesport north
and Kolb in Phenixville for the Fathers day Flyins.
Dan Walter
Palmyra Pa.
Ultrastar
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 06/16/04 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: PaulServaty@aol.com
1:45PM EST 6-17-04
FM _PaulServaty@aol.com_ (mailto:PaulServaty@aol.com)
Subj: N.E. Fly-In
Weather permitting I plan on trailering my Kolb FSKX from Md to
Shreaveport Pa. Fri morn & arrive at Shreveport in the afternoon.
I would like to join you Kolbers flying to Homers. It looks like
about 92 miles one way. I have a 6 Gal. main tank but can strap in my 5 Gal.
aux
tank & squeeze bulb fuel into main tank. I once flew 129 miles non-stop &
still had 3 gal. left.
FLY SAFE
Paul "OUTLAW" Servaty
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| Subject: | Re: Northeast Radio Frequencies |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
Daniel Walter wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Daniel Walter" <worrybear@paonline.com>
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> North Easter,s, Does anyone know the radio frequencies for Shrevesport north
and Kolb in Phenixville for the Fathers day Flyins.
>
> Dan Walter
> Palmyra Pa.
> Ultrastar
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Dan,
Don't think there are any! They are both private airports. You can try the communication
frequency or we could pick one for our
group.
Terry - Firefly #95
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| Subject: | Re: Northeast Radio Frequencies |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Terry,
My vote is for 123.45 air to air. It worked well on the Dayton to Kitty
Hawk flight last summer, and there is no way to forget 12345.
Denny Rowe
PS: maybe use somthing differant in the pattern at Shreeveport?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry" <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Northeast Radio Frequencies
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
>
> Daniel Walter wrote:
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Daniel Walter"
<worrybear@paonline.com>
> >
> > North Easter,s, Does anyone know the radio frequencies for Shrevesport
north and Kolb in Phenixville for the Fathers day Flyins.
> >
> > Dan Walter
> > Palmyra Pa.
> > Ultrastar
> >
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
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> Dan,
>
> Don't think there are any! They are both private airports. You can try
the communication frequency or we could pick one for our
> group.
>
> Terry - Firefly #95
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912 carb linkage/Rutan perspective |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
In a message dated 6/16/04 8:25:20 PM Central Standard Time, N27SB@aol.com
writes:
Steve, You wrote
<<
You have my sympathy and support( I plan to build a firefly next) I think
anything that is a safety device should have a weight allowwance. You know,
like
a BRS.
>>
As far as I know there is a weight allowance of 24lbs for
having a parachute. I heard the FAA was going to take that away. If that is just
a false rumor then I have 7 lbs bonus because my BRS weighs around 17 lbs I
think. Does anyone know for certain if there is still a 24 lb allowance for a
chute on a '' legal" ultralight?
Ed (Hou)
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| Subject: | Re: 912 carb linkage/Rutan perspective |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
Ed you wrote:
=A0=A0 As far as I know there is a weight allowance=20of 24lbs for
having a parachute. I heard the FAA was going to take that away.=A0=A0 If that
is
just
a false rumor then I have 7 lbs bonus because my BRS weighs around 17 lbs I
think.=A0 Does anyone know for certain if there is still a 24 lb=A0 allowance for
a
chute on a=A0=A0 '' legal" ultralight?
=A0 Ed (Hou)=A0=A0
I think you are right but I am sure someone out ther has the numbers. As I
recall that was one of the motivations to add a chute. You also get some extra
weight for floats but it is barely enough to get the job done. I still think
that a remote release tail hook would be cool.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Steve Boetto
MKIII N272SB
building wings
Longwood,FL
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| Subject: | Re: New Firefly for sale message of Sun, 13 Jun |
2004 23:56:36 -0700
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Mike,
I spoke to her and she is asking $11,500. Way more than I can afford at
this point so I will have to pass. Thanks
Giovanni
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike and
Dixie Shackelford
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Firefly for sale message of Sun, 13 Jun 2004
23:56:36 -0700
--> Kolb-List message posted by: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie
--> Shackelford)
Anyone interested in a new Firefly with 447, heel brakes, Polytone
paint, necessary flight and engine instruments...NEW with engine
break-in time only should contact:
sahebb@webtv.net ask for Ms. Hebb.
Her husband, the builder, recently passed away and the family wishes to
sell the aircraft. It appears to need only some TLC to fly.
Contact Ms. Hebb through the address I've listed or, e-mail me and I'll
pass it on.
I believe the kit was purchased new in 2000 and engine started the
first time and broken in late summer 2003. Some tools and extra
parts/instruments go with the sale.
PS...Thanks again, George...if friends are a measure of a man's wealh,
you and David certainly added to mine.
Hillbilly Mike
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| Subject: | Re: New Firefly for sale message of Sun, 13 Jun |
2004 23:56:36 -0700
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
I have made a boo boo and sent this email to the wrong place. Sorry to
all.
Giovanni
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Mike,
I spoke to her and she. Way more than I can afford at this point so I
will have to pass. Thanks
Giovanni
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| Subject: | FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
To correct an aft center of gravity problem my new-to-me used Firestar II
has, that I haven't flown yet, I'm thinking of sweeping the wings back
between one and two degrees - that's all, not quite as radical as a Boeing
jet.
What this does is shift the Mean Aerodynamic Chord (MAC) back a little bit.
Although this naturally moves the center of gravity aft, relative to the
wings it moves the rest of the plane forward. There's a sufficient net
improvement to justify it.
I figured out how to do this with no structural impact. So physically, it
can be done.
It looks like there's ample prop clearance to allow this. I plan to add a
prop spacer later anyway, when I'm evaluating other propellers. Right now,
this Firestar II has a two blade wood prop.
I figure I'll need spacers for the lower strut fitting, to fill that gap and
absorb the small kick load.
I'm assuming that the reduction in tail volume is something less than 2% and
that this is acceptable.
This probably wouldn't be enough sweep to initiate a tip stall, but if that
happened to show up on flight test, stall strips at the root would correct
it.
Does anyone have any other reasons why I shouldn't do this?
There are a couple of additional characteristics that would very slightly
change the plane in other ways. First, this adds a slight amount of dihedral
effect and a small amount of yaw stability. Second, and of even less
importance, it raises the limiting Mach number by a negligibly small amount.
Thanks!
Dave Paule
Boulder, Co
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| Subject: | Re: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 6/17/2004 10:14:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dpaule@frii.com writes:
It looks like there's ample prop clearance to allow this. I plan to add a
prop spacer later anyway, when I'm evaluating other propellers. Right now,
this Firestar II has a two blade wood prop.
There is not a lot of extra prop clearance without a spacer; at least not
enough to do what you are talking about.
I think your net gain as far as cg will be negligible.
My FS II is about average in weight; it flies me OK at 270 lb & it handled a
160 lb pilot ok.
If you are 150 or more, you should be ok if you only run 5 gal,. gas [front
tank only].
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
Terry, FireFly #95 and others:
I changed my plans and won't be going to the Fathers Day Fly-in at Shreveport.
But, I do plan to make the flight to Homer Kolbs place on Saturday. Possibly
2 other Kolbs might accompany me. Alan Mancus, Original FireStar and Art
Kruysman, KXP.
The weather for Saturday is forecast to be partly cloudy and winds 5 to 10
mph from the west/north west.
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Bill Varnes
Original FireStar
Audubon NJ
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