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1. 06:09 AM - Re: Re: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix (johnjung@compusenior.com)
2. 06:32 AM - Re: Re: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix (Christopher Armstrong)
3. 07:19 AM - Re: Re: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix, 2nd thought (Richard Swiderski)
4. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: Re: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix (Jack & Louise Hart)
5. 07:50 AM - Re: Re: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix (Larry Bourne)
6. 07:56 AM - Re: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix (David Paule)
7. 08:15 AM - Messages (Larry Bourne)
8. 08:28 AM - Re: Messages (Dan Charter)
9. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix (David Paule)
10. 08:45 AM - Re: Messages (George Bass)
11. 08:46 AM - Re: Re: Re: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix (Kirk Smith)
12. 09:21 AM - Re: Messages (Chiocchio, Stanley)
13. 09:22 AM - Re: Messages (Chiocchio, Stanley)
14. 09:22 AM - Re: Messages (Chiocchio, Stanley)
15. 09:28 AM - Re: Re: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix, 2nd thought (HShack@aol.com)
16. 10:26 AM - Re: Messages (flykolb)
17. 10:55 AM - Re: Messages (Thom Riddle)
18. 11:50 AM - Re: Messages (Charlie England)
19. 12:26 PM - Re: Messages aka Teaching How to Unsubscribe (Bob N.)
20. 03:45 PM - Re: Re: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix (John Hauck)
21. 03:47 PM - N.E. Fly-in (Terry)
22. 04:21 PM - Re: Re: Re: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix (John Hauck)
23. 04:31 PM - Re: N.E. Fly-in (John Hauck)
24. 06:40 PM - Personal Locator Beacon (PLB) (John Hauck)
25. 07:16 PM - Re: Personal Locator Beacon (PLB) (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
26. 07:31 PM - Re: Personal Locator Beacon (PLB) (Cory Emberson)
27. 07:32 PM - Re: Messages (Richard Swiderski)
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| Subject: | Re: RE: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "johnjung@compusenior.com" <johnjung@compusenior.com>
Group,
Here is my answer to the FSII aft CG question. My Firestar II currently
is flying with it's CG at 23.6" behind the leading edge, and has been
that way for the last 4 years. So, David's 23.52 should be fine.
As to the question of why a FSII should have such an aft CG, the were
designed that way. Since I wrote my EXCEL programs for Kolb CG's, I
have done the W&B calculations for several FSII's and the all are
somewhere near the aft limit.
Now, if someone has specific information about flying a Firestar II (or
other Kolb) with a CG aft of the limit, then tell us exactly how far
aft, how many hours, what kind of conditions, etc. But I don't think it
is helpful to suggest that pilots shouldn't be concerned about aft CGs.
I have flown a model airplane that had an aft CG, and it was not
controlable at all. What I learned from models is that they fly better
and better as the CG goes aft, right up until the become totally
uncontrolable. No warning. I don't want to do the testing to find out
how far aft a Firestar CG can go. I have recently lost weight and am
now below the minimum weight to fly my Firestar. So, unless someone has
already done specific testing, I will be adding weight to the front of
my plane before I fly again.
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
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| Subject: | Re: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
The MAC is the average of the mac of the part of the wing with ailerons and
the part of the wing without ailerons and the part of the "wing" submerged
in the fuselage. This will not be equal to the measurement of any physical
part of the plane.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Gherardini
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
DAvid...
One more thing....make sure you measure your wing for the chord...I remember
that on the weight and balance chart that came with my plans...the chord was
stated at something different than the actual measurement...cannot remember
just what..but it was a couple of inches difference than actual...never did
understand what that was all about...I made the wing correctly...as the
print called for...but that W&B caculation page had a chord number already
there that didnt match my bird....
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Re: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix, 2nd thought |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@isp.com>
David,
Reflecting on the "0.42%" figure I gave (see below)for how far out
of cg you were, I believe it is incorrect. I compared the distance beyond
the cg limit to the distance from the leading edge. I should have compared
the distance beyond the rear cg limit to the overall cg range. With that in
mind, the 0.42% becomes 7.33% which still is not a huge amount. But again,
the 37% limit in the plans is a theoretical limit, and as Homer said, this
airfoil doesn't behave as it theoretically should. ...Richard Swiderski
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Swiderski [mailto:swiderski@isp.com]
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix
David,
Regarding your below post, you say 37% of the 64" chord is 23.68"
which is what my calculator says. But then you said that 37% of a 61" chord
is 21.35". My calculator says its 22.57". You presently are 23.52" which,
if yow have the 61" chord would put you at less than 1/2 of 1% (0.42%) out
of range. Homer told me personally that 39% aft cg is safe. This seems to
bear out the experience of some on this list. If you went with the 39%, then
you would be allowed 23.79", which is acceptable. It's late & my eyes are
bleary, maybe yow might want to punch the numbers again yourself. Sure
couldn't hurt to put that ballast & slowly remove it to see if it is a real
or theoretical concern. ...Richard Swiderski
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Paule
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
Several folks have in one manner or another asked why the cg is aft of the
limits.
The Firestar II currently includes these items: oil injection, inlet
silencer, exhaust silencer, "C" gearbox, prop balancing disk, fuel tank
gauge, one 5 gallon tank and strobes. It has the 7-rib wings and mechanical
brakes and cockpit carpet.
The plans that came with it specify a chord of 64" and limits of 20% to 37%.
In terms of inches aft of the leading edge, that's 12.8" to 23.68". That
weight and balance page is marked 1993, Rev 0.
I also own a slightly more recent set of plans that specifies a chord of 61"
and limits of 20% to 37%. In terms of inches aft of the leading edge,
that's 12.2" to 21.35". This weight and balance page is marked 1993, Rev
8-96. Both of these are from the old Kolb company. It is this aft limit that
is the concern here.
The empty weight and cg position is currently 357 pounds at 36.90 inches aft
of the leading edge. I weighed it myself.
With me, 5 gallons of fuel and a gallon of oil in the oil tank (total
capacity is unknown) and no ballast, the weight is 550 pounds and the center
of gravity is at 23.52". That includes me at 155 pounds and while I'm not
quite there yet, I usually am in the summer. This is currently the aft cg
condition.
I would like to add the second five gallon tank and the second seat
eventually, but those are not in the weight and balance (or on the airplane)
at this time.
Regarding the physical change to sweep the wings one or two degrees aft,
I'll need to build one bracket. It will be held on by two existing clevis
pins. No other change is anticipated except those I've previously mentioned.
While I have not discussed first-flight protocol, I can borrow a ballast pad
that will suffice for the first few hours.
Some people have given the impression that the center of gravity position is
primarily a trim issue. That's incorrect. The forward cg limit is usually
based upon control power available for take-off. The aft cg limit is based
upon stability. Trim devices, covered well in the archives, are used to
correct out-of-trim situations.
I did realize that this sweepback will very slightly reduce the lift-curve
slope. That changes the effective tail volume and very slightly increases
it, partially offsetting the reduction in tail volume due to the reduced
arm.
Dave Paule
FSII
Boulder, CO
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| Subject: | Re: RE: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 09:08 AM 6/20/04 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "johnjung@compusenior.com" <johnjung@compusenior.com>
>
>Group,
>
...................
>
>Now, if someone has specific information about flying a Firestar II (or
>other Kolb) with a CG aft of the limit, then tell us exactly how far
>aft, how many hours, what kind of conditions, etc. But I don't think it
>is helpful to suggest that pilots shouldn't be concerned about aft CGs.
......................
Just thought this gem should be stated again. Numbers are good!
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Just to stir up the troops a bit, why not just re-design the engine mount to
move the engine ahead a few inches ?? Then you really WILL need the prop
spacer, but you plan on that anyway. ????? This is what I did with
the extreme case I had with Vamoose. Travelin' Lar. (Writing
to you from the UFO headquarters of Roswell, New Mexico. Heading south &
east in the morning) Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Paule
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
>
> Even at my weight and with the 5 gallon tank currently installed, the
center
> of gravity, with me aboard, is considerably aft of the aft limit. It sure
> looks like no more than two degrees of wing sweep will correct that.
>
> Why do you think that the net gain will be negligible? Am I missing
> something here?
>
> Many thanks for the help,
> Dave Paule
> FSII,
> Boulder, CO
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
First thing is that I need to apologise for a typo that Mr. Swiderski found.
The newer plans use 35% as an aft limit. I mistakenly wrote that it was 37%.
The cg position in inches, though, was correct.
Mr. Gherardini suggested that I measure the wing chord myself. This is an
interesting suggestion but has little bearing on the center of gravity limit
as given in the plans. I make the assumption that the plans center of
gravity limit will be safely stable.
The wing, as you know, has a discontinuous trailing edge. On my Firestar,
the chord is 50.9" at the root if you ignore the aileron tube. Since the gap
seal does not extend that far, it's reasonable to ignore it. Including the
aileron tube gives a root chord of 52.7". I plan to extend the aileron gap
seal to the root.
At the aileron, the chord is 61.6".
I have not calculated the MAC yet, but it will be considerably different
than either the 61" or the 64" from the two sets of plans. Also, the leading
edge of the MAC will be aft of the physical leading edge.
That has no bearing on the sweep that I think I'll be adding to the
Firestar. I simply plan to put the wing where it should be with regard to
the center of gravity. I am encouraged that the center of gravity range is
so wide. However, it occurs to me that perhaps some of you are flying
airplanes with the center of gravity too far aft and are compensating for it
with pilot skill.
I do plan to fly the plane with ballast before adding the sweep, simply out
of expediency. The sweep increasingly appears to be the most desirable
long-term solution. Incidentally, it looks as if I need at least 1.5 degrees
sweep for the bracket to fit in (now that I've measured the forward wing
mount) and so I'll probably use 2 degrees sweep. I wonder if you'll even
notice it.
Thanks to all,
Dave Paule
FSII
Boulder, CO
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Sorry this isn't exactly Kolb related, but................ I'm using dial up
connections in campgrounds now, and spam is giving me fits, locking my computer
up for long periods while they download, or Norton checks them, or whatever.
Is there a way to tell the computer to by-pass the current incoming message
and go on to the rest ?? Same if someone sends me a long attachment. I'd like
to just say, "bypass this one" and get on with it. I use Outlook Express.
Thanks Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
You can use the blocked senders list but they just change their name a
little every time and still go thru. It sounds like you have a spyware
problem. Type in spybot in your search and download it for free. Also Norton
has a anti spam program you can buy. Get your pop up blocker from yahoo or
msn for free. Do Not Archive
Dan Charter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Messages
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Sorry this isn't exactly Kolb related, but................ I'm using
dial up connections in campgrounds now, and spam is giving me fits, locking
my computer up for long periods while they download, or Norton checks them,
or whatever. Is there a way to tell the computer to by-pass the current
incoming message and go on to the rest ?? Same if someone sends me a long
attachment. I'd like to just say, "bypass this one" and get on with it. I
use Outlook Express. Thanks Lar. Do
not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> N78LB Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Re: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
Mr. Bourne suggested moving the engine with a motor mount change.
Moving the engine is more difficult and less effective than sweeping the
wings a couple of degrees.
Dave Paule
FSII
Boulder, CO
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bass" <gtb@commspeed.net>
Vamoose LAR (
I've recommended to a goodly number of folks that
travel, the anti-virus program from GRISOFT called
AVG (Personal Edition). This program is TOTALLY
FREE, and works at least as good as, if not BETTER
than any other anti-virus program on the market. The
download is also free from their website.
Another couple of FREE PROGRAMS you should
have on your system are:
1. SPYBOT - Search & Destroy This program will
review your system and allow you to remove ANY
new or unwanted/acquired "stuff", every time you
start your system (or you can run it at will).
2. http://www.endpopups.com/index.html This one
is for your web browser & it will STOP ADS as
you "surf" the net. The name of the actual program
is POPUP MANAGER. This company offers this
product for a voluntary donation only.
Good luck, LAR,
George
---
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| Subject: | Re: Re: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
> Moving the engine is more difficult and less effective than sweeping the
> wings a couple of degrees.
If you're only looking to compensate for aft CG and there are easier more
effective ways than sweeping ........ Kirk
Do not archive.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chiocchio, Stanley" <schiocchio@olhcc.edu>
Please delete me from your list. Thank You, Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Larry Bourne
Sent: Sun 6/20/2004 10:15 AM
To: Kolb-list@matronics.com
Cc:
Subject: Kolb-List: Messages
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Sorry this isn't exactly Kolb related, but................ I'm using
dial up connections in campgrounds now, and spam is giving me fits, locking
my computer up for long periods while they download, or Norton checks them, or
whatever. Is there a way to tell the computer to by-pass the current incoming
message and go on to the rest ?? Same if someone sends me a long attachment.
I'd like to just say, "bypass this one" and get on with it. I use Outlook
Express. Thanks Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chiocchio, Stanley" <schiocchio@olhcc.edu>
Please delete me from your list. Thank You, Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of George Bass
Sent: Sun 6/20/2004 10:47 AM
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Cc:
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Messages
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bass" <gtb@commspeed.net>
Vamoose LAR (
I've recommended to a goodly number of folks that
travel, the anti-virus program from GRISOFT called
AVG (Personal Edition). This program is TOTALLY
FREE, and works at least as good as, if not BETTER
than any other anti-virus program on the market. The
download is also free from their website.
Another couple of FREE PROGRAMS you should
have on your system are:
1. SPYBOT - Search & Destroy This program will
review your system and allow you to remove ANY
new or unwanted/acquired "stuff", every time you
start your system (or you can run it at will).
2. http://www.endpopups.com/index.html This one
is for your web browser & it will STOP ADS as
you "surf" the net. The name of the actual program
is POPUP MANAGER. This company offers this
product for a voluntary donation only.
Good luck, LAR,
George
---
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chiocchio, Stanley" <schiocchio@olhcc.edu>
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| Subject: | Re: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix, 2nd thought |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 6/20/2004 11:41:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
swiderski@isp.com writes:
The Firestar II currently includes these items: oil injection, inlet
silencer, exhaust silencer, "C" gearbox, prop balancing disk, fuel tank
gauge, one 5 gallon tank and strobes. It has the 7-rib wings and mechanical
brakes and cockpit carpet.
Oil injection- maybe 5 lbs.
Inlet Silencer- maybe 2 lbs.
Exhaust Silencer- maybe 5 lbs.
Prop Balancing disk- maybe 2 lbs.[?]
Remove all or part[s] & your CG is good.
Or swap that "C" box & heavy composite prop for a "B" box & Tennessee wood
prop.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
Stan,
Just go to the bottom of your email and you will find a place to
un-subscribe.
Jim
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
I just upgraded to Norton's 2004 Internet Security product with the anti-spam feature.
It does not block spam from being downloaded. With your input it creates
a "block" list and "allowed" list. Email from "allowed" email addresses is
downloaded to your inbox as well as all those not on the "block" list. Emails
from addresses on the "block" list are also downloaded but diverted to another
folder called "Norton AntiSpam Folder". Although it does not do what Big Lar
is hoping for it does separate email from known spammer email addresses to another
folder so they can easily be deleted en masse. There is also an easy way
to tell Norton AntiSpam that the current email is spam and it automatically places
this email address on the "block" list and moves this email to the AntiSpam
folder.
do not archive
Thom in Buffalo
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Larry Bourne wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
>Sorry this isn't exactly Kolb related, but................ I'm using dial
up connections in campgrounds now, and spam is giving me fits, locking my computer
up for long periods while they download, or Norton checks them, or whatever.
Is there a way to tell the computer to by-pass the current incoming message
and go on to the rest ?? Same if someone sends me a long attachment. I'd
like to just say, "bypass this one" and get on with it. I use Outlook Express.
Thanks Lar. Do not Archive.
>
>Larry Bourne
>Palm Springs, CA
>Building Kolb Mk III
>N78LB Vamoose
>www.gogittum.com
>
I don't use Outlook for a variety of reasons (mostly I prefer the 'feel'
of Netscape, but also due to Outlook's vulnerability to viruses & worms)
but here's a quick shot of what you can do to solve the problem: tell
Outlook you want to 'download headers only'.
If you use a regular internet provider, call their tech support (most
offer 24/7 support) & ask them to walk you through the settings. The
phrase 'download headers only' or the phrase 'server based email access'
should get the tech help person on the same page as you & you can
explain in more detail what you are after & why. I poked around in the
Outlook help files & they aren't much help if you don't already know how
to do it, so it makes more sense to just call the IP's support people.
After you do this, when you log on to get emails, you will get only info
like sender, subject, etc without the text or attachments of the
messages. You can then select which emails you wish to download in their
entirety.
Most IP's also offer a feature for use when traveling called 'webmail'
or 'web email' that can be configured to do the same thing.
Most IP's also now offer spam filter software that works at the server
instead of in your computer. That prevents the spam from being
downloaded from their email server to your computer. It does basically
the same thing as spam filter software would do on your computer, but
does it (moves suspected spam to a special folder) *before* email is
downloaded to your computer. Again, ask the IP's tech support people how
to set it up.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Messages aka Teaching How to Unsubscribe |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Stan,
Scroll down to Info and then to Subscribe. Then DO IT YOURSELF!
Bob N.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RE: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
limit
| are you?
Same way you did with all the
| numerous changes on your planes, try it and fly it.
|
| Topher
Topher/Gang:
You are absolutely correct.
I never made a change to any of my airplanes until I had sufficient
time to determine, through actual flight testing, that there was a
problem, what needed to be changed, and how to change it.
john h
PS: Sorry for the late response. Been out of town and just got home.
Did a couple responses on my friend's computer, but not all.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
The N.E. Fly-in was a resounding success. Although day one didn't turn out to
well with the
arrival of everyone at Shreveport North on Friday, because of the weather, the
following day at
Homer and Clara Kolb's home was outstanding.
We had 21 pilots flying there and several drive-in attendees. Had Penna., New
York, New Jersey
and Maryland represented. Weather was breezy and at sometimes threatening, but
manageable and
everyone arrived and got back home safely. Would have had more people there had
the weather
not been as marginal.
Clara and Homer were very gracious hosts and provided a picnic lunch followed by
Homer asking
each on there to tell about themselves. We sat in their pavilion enjoying good
company and
stories. At the same time Dick Rayhill, Homers long time friend, entertained us
with his
expert flying, making unbelievable landing runs and takeoff's from the adjoining
field. All of
this using Homers restored original FireStar.
Home then took us on a tour of his newest project which is rebuilding his grandfathers
grist
mill on his property. Has built the building with raceway, a new water wheel and
has the
original gears and works to restore it to working order. Has the grinding stones
and crane to
lift them and will have able to grind grain.
Maybe we can do this again next year and have even more Kolbers make the event.
Homer is open
to the idea!
Others will have to provide pictures as I still do not have a scanner to do this
with.
Terry - FireFly # 95
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| Subject: | Re: RE: FSII Aft CG problem and a Fix |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
(or
| other Kolb) with a CG aft of the limit, then tell us exactly how far
| aft, how many hours, what kind of conditions, etc. But I don't think
it
| is helpful to suggest that pilots shouldn't be concerned about aft
CGs.
. So, unless someone has
| already done specific testing, I will be adding weight to the front
of
| my plane before I fly again.
|
| John Jung
John J/All:
Hope no one thought I was suggesting they do anything contrary to
regulation. I try not to suggest, recommend, or dictate that anyone
do anything to their aircraft. I will, on occassion, share with folks
what I have experienced with my airplane and what I did to correct it.
Both my Firestar and MKIII was/is well outside the "paper" aft cg
range. Based on many hours of "actual" flight in many different
configurations, neither aircraft have an "actual" operational aft cg.
Sorry I can not tell you exactly how far aft and the specific number
of hours, but well over 700 hours for the FS and 2,000 hours for the
MKIII.
John J recently flew, as did his wife Cathy, in Miss P'fer, the MKIII
with aft cg.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Terry/All:
Congratulations on a good flyin. I know Homer was elated to have
everyone show up and get home safely. Wish I could have been one of
the attendees. Maybe next year.
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Personal Locator Beacon (PLB) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi All:
Anyone having information on a PLB, where I can buy, borrow, rent at a
reasonable price, to arrive hauck's holler, AL, by this Fri, please
contact me back copy.
I would like to have one with me on the upcoming flight north, if at
all possible. They are very expensive. The best price on an ACR 406
w/o internal GPS or interface is about $450, but not available until
mid-July, which is about two weeks too late.
Thanks,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Personal Locator Beacon (PLB) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
John
Can't help on PLB but there are cell phone now that have internal GPS chips
that when used to call 911 will pinpoint your location. Seems like there is
also a web site that will plot your movement transmitted from these phones.
This might not help in some of the remote areas in Alaska where there may
not be cell phone towers.
Also some of the ELTs like mine can be removed from the plane with a few
clips and have a portable antenna so that you can carry it with you.
Don't you also have a hand held radio?
Also I have a King KLX100 hand held GPS/COM that has a function that
broadcasts a mayday, a recorded message(tail number color etc.), and you GPS
coordinates. This is started at the touch of two buttons and a confirm
button.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Personal Locator Beacon (PLB)
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Hi All:
>
> Anyone having information on a PLB, where I can buy, borrow, rent at a
> reasonable price, to arrive hauck's holler, AL, by this Fri, please
> contact me back copy.
>
> I would like to have one with me on the upcoming flight north, if at
> all possible. They are very expensive. The best price on an ACR 406
> w/o internal GPS or interface is about $450, but not available until
> mid-July, which is about two weeks too late.
>
> Thanks,
>
> john h
>
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| Subject: | Re: Personal Locator Beacon (PLB) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
I replied to John offlist, but thought I'd mention PLBs on-list. Cell
phones are very unreliable in the places that are hardest for SAR to reach.
If I were going to Alaska (oh, if that were so!), I would get a PLB, no
questions asked. Their design allows the satellites to find their signals in
about two orbits. ELTs may take many more orbits to pinpoint the signal. It
is imperative that whatever PLB you get, if you do, that you get the one
that has a signal not hampered by immersion in water or high waves.
For some very comprehensive info about PLBs, go to www.equipped.org, and I
believe that www.aeromedix.com sells them (where I got my smoke hood and
ReliefBand).
~~Cory
>
> John
>
> Can't help on PLB but there are cell phone now that have internal GPS
chips
> that when used to call 911 will pinpoint your location. Seems like there
is
> also a web site that will plot your movement transmitted from these
phones.
> This might not help in some of the remote areas in Alaska where there may
> not be cell phone towers.
>
> Also some of the ELTs like mine can be removed from the plane with a few
> clips and have a portable antenna so that you can carry it with you.
>
> Don't you also have a hand held radio?
>
> Also I have a King KLX100 hand held GPS/COM that has a function that
> broadcasts a mayday, a recorded message(tail number color etc.), and you
GPS
> coordinates. This is started at the touch of two buttons and a confirm
> button.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIc
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Personal Locator Beacon (PLB)
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> >
> > Hi All:
> >
> > Anyone having information on a PLB, where I can buy, borrow, rent at a
> > reasonable price, to arrive hauck's holler, AL, by this Fri, please
> > contact me back copy.
> >
> > I would like to have one with me on the upcoming flight north, if at
> > all possible. They are very expensive. The best price on an ACR 406
> > w/o internal GPS or interface is about $450, but not available until
> > mid-July, which is about two weeks too late.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > john h
> >
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@isp.com>
Larry,
Many isp's for dialup have access to email through their website.
If so, you can select or delete the email before its actually downloaded.
Works for me in a pinch. Hope to see your face in my neck of the woods one
of these days soon. ...Richard Swiderski
Do not archive
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bourne
Subject: Kolb-List: Messages
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Sorry this isn't exactly Kolb related, but................ I'm using
dial up connections in campgrounds now, and spam is giving me fits, locking
my computer up for long periods while they download, or Norton checks them,
or whatever. Is there a way to tell the computer to by-pass the current
incoming message and go on to the rest ?? Same if someone sends me a long
attachment. I'd like to just say, "bypass this one" and get on with it. I
use Outlook Express. Thanks Lar. Do
not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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