---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/21/04: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:26 AM - Re: Personal Locator Beacon (PLB) (Thom Riddle) 2. 04:31 AM - Re: N.E. Fly-in (Airgriff2@aol.com) 3. 05:24 AM - Re: Re: Personal Locator Beacon (PLB) (bryan green) 4. 06:18 AM - Re: N.E. Fly-in (John Hauck) 5. 09:21 AM - N E Fly-in (Denny Rowe) 6. 09:48 AM - Re: N E Fly-in (John Hauck) 7. 12:16 PM - Kolb N.E. Fly-in / Homer Kolbs Place (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) 8. 12:55 PM - Re: Kolb N.E. Fly-in / Homer Kolbs Place (John Hauck) 9. 01:00 PM - Sat Phone Replaces PLB (John Hauck) 10. 01:24 PM - Paint removal for recovering wingtip (Swampist@aol.com) 11. 02:05 PM - Re: Paint removal for recovering wingtip (Denny Rowe) 12. 02:53 PM - Re: Paint removal for recovering wingtip (Richard Pike) 13. 03:17 PM - Re: Paint removal for recovering wingtip (John Hauck) 14. 08:13 PM - Kolb owner wannbe ain't a wannbe any longer! (Robert Laird) 15. 08:16 PM - Re: burt rutan space flight WOW (N27SB@aol.com) 16. 09:49 PM - Fw: start engine(oil purge912 uls) (CRAIG M NELSON) 17. 09:53 PM - Re: burt rutan space flight WOW (Edward Chmielewski) 18. 09:53 PM - Fw: start engine(oil purge912 uls) (CRAIG M NELSON) 19. 09:56 PM - Fw: start engine(oil purge912 uls) (CRAIG M NELSON) 20. 10:02 PM - Fw: screwed up ? (CRAIG M NELSON) 21. 10:26 PM - Re: Fw: start engine(oil purge912 uls) (John Hauck) 22. 10:31 PM - Re: Fw: screwed up ? (John Hauck) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:57 AM PST US From: "Thom Riddle" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Personal Locator Beacon (PLB) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" John H and all, Here is a website you may wish to look at. The name says it all. http://www.plbrentals.com/ Thom in Buffalo do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:31:09 AM PST US From: Airgriff2@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: N.E. Fly-in --> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com Hi John & gang.. You were right John, these long flights are just short legs from one field to another. What a great time myself and Scott Olendorf had flying to Shreveport Pa from the Albany NY area. Visibility, low ceiling, and haze kept us from leaving until 4pm. We flew till 8pm and spent the nite at Slatington PA where the owner gased us up at 8:30 PM and allowed us to bunk in the small FBO building. We got some sleep, even with the crickets inside, the loud Coke machine kicking off & on, and the local police shining spot lights in the window during the nite. An early start got us to Smoketown at 8:30 am to fly with the group to Homers. Each landing I had resulted in more of a grinding and screaching noise in the left wheel. At Homers we blocked it up to find the inner bearing had disintergrated. One of Homers friends,(Dave) drove me to town to get new bearings and I was good to go other than as a result of the broken bearing, I had broken the brake pads and later, the calaper seal, which resulted in losing all brakes for the rest of the trip. I landed on grass when possible and Scott would land 1st and watch me as I taxied up to pumps at different fields. Flying from Homers to Shreveport was interesting, air speed 65 mph and ground speed 45. Scott, Paul and myself did a fly-by in 20 mph crosswinds and the crowd thought we just could'nt land. We were knocked all over the place as we flew 10 ft off the runway. We landed next time around and once on the ground, the wind trying to swing the tail aroung required full left rudder to keep the plane going straight. No one was flying and we found out why. Strongest wind I've ever flown in! We left Sunday at 10 am and were back in Albany at 5pm. Total miles covered were 688 for me and somewhat more for Scott as he is probably 40 mis north of my field. One thing I learned was that getting fuel can be a problem. You really need to call ahead with the small fields. You run into things like "we don't sell gas" and then you mention you talked to so & so and then he says "OK". Other times you arrive late and no one is around? I also realised that you tend to depend too much on the gps. At times I wondered if it went out, could I find out where I was on the sectional? Burning the 100LL resulted in hard starts and finally It would'nt start at one field. I had 4 new plugs with me all gapped and through them in and the 618 fired right up. Over all, other than being somewhat anxious and nervous on ones 1st cross country, all went well and it was alot of fun! Fly safe Bob Griffin Kolb MK3 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:21 AM PST US From: "bryan green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Personal Locator Beacon (PLB) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" Thanks for the links Cory and Thom. do not archive Bryan Green Elgin SC Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Riddle" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Personal Locator Beacon (PLB) > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" > > John H and all, > > Here is a website you may wish to look at. The name says it all. > > http://www.plbrentals.com/ > > Thom in Buffalo > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:15 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: N.E. Fly-in --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | ones 1st cross country, all went well and it was alot of fun! | Fly safe | Bob Griffin | Kolb MK3 Good Morning Bob/All: Congratulations on your long cross country. Despite the wheel bearing, you still had fun, learned a lot, and got to really get into Kolb cross country flying. I understand your night in the FBO completely. Slept on the front porch of Sean D. Tucker's, the aerobatics fella, flying school, at King City, CA. The Pepsi machine sounded like it was going to sling a rod every time it fired off, plus has real bright lights in it. The fix was to unplug until I woke up the next morning. Glad everything worked out for you all. john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:12 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Kolb-List: N E Fly-in --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" Kolbers, Linda and I were delayed by weather nearly 24hrs in leaving for Shreeveport until the late morning on Saturday. The fog and haze thinned enough to get out of P-37 and head east. We encountered heavy rain just 25 miles out as we approached Ebensburg, so we diverted to Jimmy Stewart IDI for an hour wait for the rain to clear out and topped off the tank. Wind was a steady 30mph out of the west the entire flight so after our diversion we headed directly for Altoona AOO. As we were indicating 85-96 mph on the Airmap-100 we were able to overfly our planned fuel stop at AOO and fly direct to Shreeveport. The entire trip was in 4 to 7 mile visibility with ceilings over the mountains at minimums. Flew through light rain three times and at one point indicated 102mph on the GPS, airspeed the entire trip was between 65 and 70mph at cruise 5400-5500rpm. Quite an exciting ride to say the least with moderate turbs over most of the trip. Arrived at Shreeveport long after the folks were gone to Homers and decided to hang out, kick tires and give rides to my Friends that were kind enough to share their hotel room and bring my oldest boy along with em on the car trip out. Missing Homers gathering was a huge dissappointment, but after 170 miles (counting our diversion) of Kolbing in 30 + mph winds, I didn't feel like dragging Linda 65 miles further East knowing the trip back would be against those winds. Also figured we already missed the lunch at Homers. A lot of friendly folks were there including more from my local area than I could believe, all sorts of planes that ranged from last years Oshkosh award winning RV-6 to a 1982 vintage Jetwing trike that was only removed from its original shipping boxes in 2001. It was as if time stopped for that Jetwing, absolutly perfect brand new condition exactly how they were in 1982 when I was 15 years old. Got to put faces to Artdog, Gene Zimmerman, Airgriff, Scott Olendorf, Earl Zimmerman who flew in with his boy Eddie in a Rans, Bruce (I forgot your last name) and his very pretty girlfriend ( I am looking forward to seeing the pics Bruce took), along with others who I am forgetting at the moment. (Just got home from working midnight shift) Anyway, thanks to all who made the trip so great, and to the Mason Dixon folks for such a nice event and the great evening Buffets down by the pool. I sure hope we can do it again so we have more time to get to know all you great people, and so maybe I can get to Homers next time. Another highlight was the trip to and from the hotel in the back seat of my buddies Neon. Six people and bags packed to the roof make a fast trip down back roads quite exciting. :-) Needed heavier spings. Sunday we had a good breakfast at Peppermill and got to the airport later than I wanted to. Luray Weacter and Earl and Eddie Zimmerman had arrived to add to the crowd of really nice folks. Lurays gun metal grey Slingshot with a brand new Jabiru 2200 and 64 inch coated and tappered Tennessee Prop was a thing of beuty, what a perfect little fighter plane and the workmanship and finish are first class. Luray says the top speed is 102, and burns just around 3gph at 80-85 mph cruise. We had to get out of there to make it to church Sunday night so we left around 1:05 PM. Cruising at 4500MSL, 65mph with a 5 mph headwind we made Altoona in 1.3 hrs, topped off the tank and flew direct to p-37 in 1.4 hrs. Great visibility and high ceilings made the trip home fantastic. Beat the ground pounders by an hour and twenty minutes. :-) I'll try to fill in the things I forgot over the next week, and for those who I left out, please jog my recall as it was all such an enjoyable blurr. Near 8 hrs flying over a 30 hour period really makes for sensory overload. Denny (Now I can Sleep) Rowe, Mk-3, 2SI 690L-70 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:54 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: N E Fly-in --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Near 8 hrs flying over a 30 hour period really makes for sensory overload. | Denny (Now I can Sleep) Rowe, Mk-3, 2SI 690L-70 Hi Denny/All: Thanks for the update. Sounds like you all had a really go time and a good flight. Take care, john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:20 PM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb N.E. Fly-in / Homer Kolbs Place --> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Who were those guys? While a group of us were waiting for the wind to subside before flying home from Homer Kolbs get together, (2) Kolbs of unknown origin were approaching the field, but then turned away. Then they reappeared, only to disapper again after circling around as if they were looking for the field, but unable to find it. Who were those guys? Come on now. Identify yourselves. Admit it. Make yourself known. We won't laugh at you. We've all had times like that, when we were right over the place we wanted to go but couldn't see it. Who were you guys? You sure did miss a great gathering of Kolb builders and pilots. Homers hospitality was super great. He even made an offer of lodging in his home in case the winds did not let up. It was blowing quite hard midday, but as the cold front moved through, it become manageable to fly out. What a good time I had. Now I can understand why the Monument Valley event is so popular. Do Not Archive Bill Varnes Original FireStar Audubon NJ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:55:05 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb N.E. Fly-in / Homer Kolbs Place --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Hi Bill/All: Now ya know. Ain't nuthin any better! john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:00:55 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Sat Phone Replaces PLB --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Hi All: A friend has donated an Iridium Sat Phone to use for the Alaska Flight. I appreciate everyone's help with the PLB problem. Thanks very much, john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:10 PM PST US From: Swampist@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Paint removal for recovering wingtip --> Kolb-List message posted by: Swampist@aol.com Need to recover wingtip (bottom only, leading to trailing and 3ft wide) on Ultrastar . Instructions state to use MEK to strip paint off, down to bare fabric. I have removed old damaged fabric but MEK/Acetone will not effect paint removal for overlap area. Can Poly fabric be cemented to clean paint or should I test other chemicals on removed fabric? Any suggestions? ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:05:25 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Paint removal for recovering wingtip --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" . I have removed old damaged fabric but MEK/Acetone will not effect paint > removal for overlap area. Can Poly fabric be cemented to clean paint or should I > test other chemicals on removed fabric? Any suggestions? > > > Must be polyeurethane paint as MEK takes Polytone right off. You might have to sand the finish color off before wiping the bottom layers with MEK. Denny Rowe ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:19 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Paint removal for recovering wingtip --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike If MEK won't touch it, maybe it isn't Stits? Maybe Latex? If so, Goof Off will get rid of it. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive At 04:23 PM 6/21/2004 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Swampist@aol.com > >Need to recover wingtip (bottom only, leading to trailing and 3ft wide) on >Ultrastar . Instructions state to use MEK to strip paint off, down to bare >fabric. I have removed old damaged fabric but MEK/Acetone will not effect >paint >removal for overlap area. Can Poly fabric be cemented to clean paint or >should I >test other chemicals on removed fabric? Any suggestions? ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:25 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Paint removal for recovering wingtip --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Richard P/All: Might be aerothane or some other two part finish. My MKIII has a lot of patches on Aerothane. I sanded a little, then Polytack'd over the Aerothane. I think this is the procedure Stits, and maybe PolyFiber uses. Not sure cause I did not look it up in the manual. Take care, john h ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:24 PM PST US From: Robert Laird Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb owner wannbe ain't a wannbe any longer! --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird My friend, Guy, who is on this list, bought a Kolb FireFly (w/ 447) from "jerb" and trailered it down last weekend. He had asked me to ferry it down, but the weather the past several weekends just wasn't conducive to a cross-country flight with a 5 gallon tank! So, I loaned him my flatbed trailer and it arrived with only a couple of minor issues. We got the plane off the trailer, set up the wings, did two complete pre-flights which included every nut, bolt, pin, rivet, control surface, control wires, etc., etc., etc. Even though I was there to do it's first flight, it _was_ Guy's plane so I felt it important that he be the first one to taxi it around the tarmac... and so he did, and seemed to have a lot of fun doing it. His training was in a Challenger, so he definitely has to get used to a different UL in the Kolb. After he taxied around for a while, he came back and I saddled up. After familiarizing myself with the instruments and placement of all the switches, we fired it up and I taxied to the hold-short line and did a quick run up. I was checking the ailerons when the stick suddenly stuck at full left deflection! That wasn't good. So, I taxied back to the hangar, and, while still in the plane with the engine fired up, I did another run up there, but it didn't repeat the problem. I climbed out and we checked all the linkages and horns and etc. Two things seemed out of kilter: the left and right tubes weren't the same length (as the manual claims they should be) and there was (a LOT!) more deflection range in the ailerons than the 8" that's in the book. There weren't any kind of stops built into the controls, as I thought there might be. But I knew from experience that a pilot flying this plane would never need that kind of deflection. So, Guy tightened up a nut that he thought was loose, and I decided to try it again. Again at the hold short line, I powered up and checked aileron deflection and -- it did it again! So, I did a 180 and taxied about 30 feet back toward the hangar, stopped, and did a run up there. This time, there were no issues. So, I taxied about halfway back to the hangar, turned the plane around to make sure it was lined up _exactly_ like it'd be if I were at the hold-short line, did a run up, and it stuck again! Ah! I had figured it out! At the hold-short line (and on that last run up), the 8-10mph wind was coming from the left rear quarter. When I deflect the stick to the left, the left aileron goes up... and the wind was catching it and pushing it up higher, abnormally higher, which would then cause the stick to feel like it was stuck. I knew that on take off, with the plane into the wind, I wouldn't ever see this problem occur... and when flying around, I would never have wind pushing up on the aileron (if it did, I'd have long been in a stall and magically floating at very low speeds), so I no longer felt it was a serious problem, just a minor issue to eventually be dealt with. (You are, of course, free to disagree with me and call me crazy for flying with it like that.) Anyway, I once again approached the hold-short, did a run up, then moved into position and took off. I had a 5000 foot concrete runway, so I lifted up to about 5 feet and flew along the length of the runway. I figured if something bad happened, I wouldn't have far to fall. At the decision point, everything was just peachy so I went ahead and gave it full throttle and ascended. What a great little aircraft the FireFly is! It seems very slippery, very sensitive (but not too much) on the controls so it requires very little input from the pilot to keep it squared away, and it's almost completely hands off once you get it at cruise speed/altitude. With just a bit of tweaking, I'm sure Guy will get it to be 100% hands off. I like how the nose pitches down once you're at cruise... suddenly, you feel like you've got a front row seat for what's ahead and around you. I did two touch-n-go's, then flew it down Galveston Island for a few miles and then back again, and did a full stop on the 3rd landing. I could go on and on but most of y'all already know the feeling of flying a Kolb. For the size, it's about the sturdiest UL I've ever flown, which gives you a great sense of safety and control. It's about as far removed (and improved) over a Quicksilver as you could get. Very nice indeed! Normally I have pictures but I forgot my camera on that day (a very rare occurrence for me) but a friend of Guy's had a camera so I hope to get copies of those. -- Robert ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:21 PM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: burt rutan space flight WOW --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com A 63 year old private pilot flying a homebuilt rocketplane with an N number just flew to space and back. Proud to say I knew him way back,Proud to be a homebuilder. Steve Boetto building MKIII N272SB ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:20 PM PST US From: "CRAIG M NELSON" Subject: Kolb-List: Fw: start engine(oil purge912 uls) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON" ----- Original Message ----- From: CRAIG M NELSON Subject: start engine(oil purge912 uls) hay all great news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! another kolb is about to take to the sky's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! here in phoenix it's 105 degrees hotter than a dogs but. however not to hot to start the uls for the first time. wanted to test it before the trip to the desert for the first flight. oil temp held at 270 degrees you will have to check with milow for the head temps I was so high. all i have now is visions of the rotating warp prop. we bled the oil system before we started the engine by filling the system through the in line before the oil cooler whale turning the engine over with the prop by hand, then with a set of plugs out of each cylinder we turned the engine over with the starter. got 8 psi oil pres with the starter. reinstalled the plugs fueled the f"n air plane with a gal of high test , pumped the float bowls with the aux fuel pump, cranked it over 2 times and she sprang to life. OOOOHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!what a thrill to see all that work come together. we ran it at rpm's around 1250 -3500 for about 1/2 hour. this is truly a thrill!!!!!!!!!! I don't think i had the water system purged because the water spud out the over flow bottle just before we stopped the engine for the last time. for the over flow i used a little plastic bottle like a ketchup bottle. the head temp didn't go over 220 so i think it's ok just need to re think how i'm going to attach it. it was right up next to the oil tank . don't think it will take those temps any ideas? uncle craig MKIIIex 912uls warp Arizona www.milows.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:19 PM PST US From: "Edward Chmielewski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: burt rutan space flight WOW --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski" Amen, Steve! Kudos to SS1 Commander Mike Melvill, Burt Rutan and the team at Scaled Composites! http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/062104-2.htm Ed in JXN MkII/503 Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: burt rutan space flight WOW > --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com > > A 63 year old private pilot flying a homebuilt rocketplane with an N number > just flew to space and back. Proud to say I knew him way back,Proud to be a > homebuilder. > > Steve Boetto > building MKIII N272SB ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:43 PM PST US From: "CRAIG M NELSON" Subject: Kolb-List: Fw: start engine(oil purge912 uls) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON" ----- Original Message ----- From: CRAIG M NELSON Subject: start engine(oil purge912 uls) hay all great news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! another kolb is about to take to the sky's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! here in phoenix it's 105 degrees hotter than a dogs but. however not to hot to start the uls for the first time. wanted to test it before the trip to the desert for the first flight. oil temp held at 270 degrees you will have to check with milow for the head temps I was so high. all i have now is visions of the rotating warp prop. we bled the oil system before we started the engine by filling the system through the in line before the oil cooler whale turning the engine over with the prop by hand, then with a set of plugs out of each cylinder we turned the engine over with the starter. got 8 psi oil pres with the starter. reinstalled the plugs fueled the f"n air plane with a gal of high test , pumped the float bowls with the aux fuel pump, cranked it over 2 times and she sprang to life. OOOOHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!what a thrill to see all that work come together. we ran it at rpm's around 1250 -3500 for about 1/2 hour. this is truly a thrill!!!!!!!!!! I don't think i had the water system purged because the water spud out the over flow bottle just before we stopped the engine for the last time. for the over flow i used a little plastic bottle like a ketchup bottle. the head temp didn't go over 220 so i think it's ok just need to re think how i'm going to attach it. it was right up next to the oil tank . don't think it will take those temps any ideas? uncle craig MKIIIex 912uls warp Arizona www.milows.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:56 PM PST US From: "CRAIG M NELSON" Subject: Kolb-List: Fw: start engine(oil purge912 uls) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON" ----- Original Message ----- From: CRAIG M NELSON Subject: Fw: start engine(oil purge912 uls) ----- Original Message ----- From: CRAIG M NELSON Subject: start engine(oil purge912 uls) hay all great news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! another kolb is about to take to the sky's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! here in phoenix it's 105 degrees hotter than a dogs but. however not to hot to start the uls for the first time. wanted to test it before the trip to the desert for the first flight. oil temp held at 270 degrees you will have to check with milow for the head temps I was so high. all i have now is visions of the rotating warp prop. we bled the oil system before we started the engine by filling the system through the in line before the oil cooler whale turning the engine over with the prop by hand, then with a set of plugs out of each cylinder we turned the engine over with the starter. got 8 psi oil pres with the starter. reinstalled the plugs fueled the f"n air plane with a gal of high test , pumped the float bowls with the aux fuel pump, cranked it over 2 times and she sprang to life. OOOOHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!what a thrill to see all that work come together. we ran it at rpm's around 1250 -3500 for about 1/2 hour. this is truly a thrill!!!!!!!!!! I don't think i had the water system purged because the water spud out the over flow bottle just before we stopped the engine for the last time. for the over flow i used a little plastic bottle like a ketchup bottle. the head temp didn't go over 220 so i think it's ok just need to re think how i'm going to attach it. it was right up next to the oil tank . don't think it will take those temps any ideas? uncle craig MKIIIex 912uls warp Arizona www.milows.com ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:00 PM PST US From: "CRAIG M NELSON" Subject: Kolb-List: Fw: screwed up ? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON" john i don't know what's going on i can't seem to get this to go to the list after i got the address messed up. now it keeps going to you even when i put the right address on it can you forward it to the list for me? craig ----- Original Message ----- From: CRAIG M NELSON Subject: Fw: start engine(oil purge912 uls) ----- Original Message ----- From: CRAIG M NELSON Subject: Fw: start engine(oil purge912 uls) ----- Original Message ----- From: CRAIG M NELSON Subject: start engine(oil purge912 uls) hay all great news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! another kolb is about to take to the sky's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! here in phoenix it's 105 degrees hotter than a dogs but. however not to hot to start the uls for the first time. wanted to test it before the trip to the desert for the first flight. oil temp held at 270 degrees you will have to check with milow for the head temps I was so high. all i have now is visions of the rotating warp prop. we bled the oil system before we started the engine by filling the system through the in line before the oil cooler whale turning the engine over with the prop by hand, then with a set of plugs out of each cylinder we turned the engine over with the starter. got 8 psi oil pres with the starter. reinstalled the plugs fueled the f"n air plane with a gal of high test , pumped the float bowls with the aux fuel pump, cranked it over 2 times and she sprang to life. OOOOHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!what a thrill to see all that work come together. we ran it at rpm's around 1250 -3500 for about 1/2 hour. this is truly a thrill!!!!!!!!!! I don't think i had the water system purged because the water spud out the over flow bottle just before we stopped the engine for the last time. for the over flow i used a little plastic bottle like a ketchup bottle. the head temp didn't go over 220 so i think it's ok just need to re think how i'm going to attach it. it was right up next to the oil tank . don't think it will take those temps any ideas? uncle craig MKIIIex 912uls warp Arizona www.milows.com ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:53 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fw: start engine(oil purge912 uls) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" oil temp held at 270 degrees you will have to check with milow for the head temps I was so high. I don't think i had ! | the water system purged because the water spud out the over flow bottle just before we stopped the engine for the last time. for the over flow i used a little plastic bottle like a ketchup bottle. the head temp didn't go over 220 so i think it's ok just need to re think how i'm going to attach it. it was right up next to the oil tank . don't think it will take those temps any ideas? | | | uncle craig | MKIIIex 912uls warp Hi Uncle Craig/Gang: I figured the 912ULS would run. :-) When you look at stuff in your operator's manual, be sure you are looking at 912ULS stuff and not 912 stuff. Rotax got cheap and put info for both engines in one manual. Max oil temp for the ULS is 266F. Max CHT for ULS is 284F. Rotax allows the 912 to run higher max temps, 285F for oil and 300 for CHT. Good idea to fill the cooling system with 50/50 permanent type antifreeze without silicates and phosphates. Run the engine until it is warm, shut down until cool. Check recovery bottle and insure coolant is up to the top of the neck of the coolant header tank. My 912ULS runs, normally, at 5,000 to 5,200 rpm: 230F oil temp 210 CHT In hot weather like you all are experiencing, she will run 250F to 260F oil temp. Had to come back on power flying Death Valley last year because of high oil temps. CHT, under those conditions will come on up in the 220 to 250F range, when running hard. Glad you got it going. Good luck, john h PS: You must have gotten the fuel pump gasket. I may have had it sent to an old address. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:13 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fw: screwed up ? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" the list after i got the address messed up. now it keeps going to you even when i put the right address on it can you forward it to the list for me? craig Uncle Craig/Gang: Don't worry. The last three duplicates and a single have come through just fine. john h DO NOT ARCHIVE