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1. 06:03 AM - airspeed (Jimmy and Jo Ann Hill)
2. 06:34 AM - Re: SlingShot Attitude, Ohio to Florida dilemma (Richard Swiderski)
3. 06:47 AM - Re: unoficial kolb fly in 2005 (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
4. 06:59 AM - Fw: Much better Monument Valley picture viewing (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
5. 08:41 AM - Re: SlingShot Attitude (Richard Swiderski)
6. 09:20 AM - unofficial kolb fly in 2005 (Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com)
7. 09:48 AM - Re: Firefly taxi question (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
8. 11:27 AM - Re: unofficial kolb fly in 2005 (G. Thompson)
9. 12:42 PM - Re: airspeed (jerb)
10. 12:55 PM - Re: unofficial kolb fly in 2005 (John Williamson)
11. 01:40 PM - Re: SlingShot Thrust Line Issues (Richard Swiderski)
12. 04:18 PM - Update on Ms.Dixie (Paul Petty)
13. 04:23 PM - oops (Paul Petty)
14. 04:29 PM - Re: unofficial kolb fly in 2005 (wiserguy)
15. 06:42 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 06/29/04 (Vic)
16. 06:45 PM - Re: unofficial kolb fly in 2005 (Larry Bourne)
17. 06:56 PM - Re: Changing props and the FAA (The Kuffels)
18. 07:05 PM - For John Hauck (The Kuffels)
19. 07:30 PM - Re: SlingShot Thrust Line Issues (Denny Rowe)
20. 07:36 PM - Re: SlingShot Attitude, Ohio to Florida dilemma (Denny Rowe)
21. 08:49 PM - Great Idea! (artdog1512)
22. 10:16 PM - For Sale: Kolb Firestar II (Ken Vance)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jimmy and Jo Ann Hill" <hillstw@jhill.biz>
Need a 2 1/4" airspeed indicator for a firestar.
Anybody got one for sale?
Thanks.
Jimmy
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| Subject: | SlingShot Attitude, Ohio to Florida dilemma |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@isp.com>
George,
Sorry to hear you are running into dead ends. You can always use my
trailer anytime you want. I'm sure you will make the right calculated
decision or find good solution. God always has a plan out there waiting for
us to stumble upon. .... Richard Swiderski
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GeoR38@aol.com
Subject: Kolb-List: SlingShot Attitude, Ohio to Florida dilemma
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 06/28/2004 8:12:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
swiderski@isp.com writes:
Hello All,
I am trying to nail down the slope of the oil pan I'm making for my
3-cyl turbo. First, I need to know where level is. Does anyone know what
is the horizontal reference point on a SlingShot in flight attitude?
This project has been a long time in the making. I'm starting to
see daylight, but I'm worried that I might forget how to fly before its done
...or die of old age ... or worse have Big Lar beat me into the air.
Thanks,
Richard Swiderski
wish I could help Rich, but I'm glad that you still have your sense of
humor,
don't ever lose it. Forget everything I said about that 4x8 trailer that I
was considering buying on ebay to bring my Firestar to Florida from Ohio.
I've
concluded a passing truck will just tip me over...booo!
The min price to come down by someone else driving something is
$1650.....and
I say.....boooo! I sure would like to fly it but without a wingman, I'm too
sceered, besides, I don't trust my health. Am considering even selling it up
here and building a firefly down there. Will be comin back down in about a
week,
I guess....I hope I have a conclusion before then.
George Randolph
Firestar driver from Akron/The Villages Fl
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| Subject: | Re: unoficial kolb fly in 2005 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Boyd,
It suits me - I'm game for anywhere. A one mile walk is no problem,
becsides, many of us will have vehicles anyway. You didn't mention fuel -
that would be a strong consideration. Count me in - I love flying in new
places. (I still plan on return trips to MV in addition to Bryce.)
AzDave
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----- Original Message -----
From: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: unoficial kolb fly in 2005
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
>
> everybody
the next leg of the 2002 trip was to take us to Bryce Canyon National
Park. I propose that next year, 2005, we go there instead. there are
simular facilities as we have become use to. Ruby's Inn has a motel / rv /
tent camping / pool / showers / restraunt / about 1 mile from the airport.
> I have cast my vote, what say the rest of you.
>
> bryce canyon airport
> kbce
> n 37 42 387
> w 112 08 713
> unicome 122.8
> asos 135.47
> runway hard surface 7400 x 75 about 7500 ft asl.
>
>
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| Subject: | Fw: Much better Monument Valley picture viewing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: JIM HEFNER
Subject: Much better Monument Valley picture viewing
Folks,
I finally found a better way to share pictures with others. It's free, so no reason
not to have lots of great photos to show off in full screen slideshow mode.
When you get to the website (link below), push the start slideshow button
and you may want to pause it after it gets going and advance the pictures manually,
unless you have very high speed internet service.... faster than DSL.
The wait time on the slide show doesn't count picture load time. There is no
commentary here, but the picture viewing quality is much better than the MSN photoware
I have been using. Think this is the same outfit the BigLar uses, but
think he has the upgrade version and adds commentary.
http://jhefner.photosite.com/MV2004/
Checkout these pictures from a recent flight into Arivipa Canyon, within 10 miles
of my home airport. Hard to beat the beauty of flying around AZ!!
http://jhefner.photosite.com/Flying/
John H, we'll be following your trip and hope to see lots of great pic's when you
return!! Good luck and fly safe!!
Take care ya'll!!
Jim Hefner
Tucson, AZ FF#022
PS: John Williamson, I don't have everyone's email address that was at MV, so
feel free to send to anyone not on list above. I'm not able to post to the Kolb
list... spam filter gets me everytime. Anyone that can post, feel free to
post this if you think it's worthwhile for others to see the pictures and picture
website info.
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| Subject: | SlingShot Attitude |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@isp.com>
Thanks Tom, That should get me in the ball park. Richard Swiderski
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of The Kuffels
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: SlingShot Attitude
--> Kolb-List message posted by: The Kuffels <kuffel@cyberport.net>
Richard,
<<slope of the oil pan .. need to know where level is. Does anyone know
what is the horizontal reference point on a SlingShot in flight attitude?>>
Doubt if there is an "official" level on the Kolbs. However, all of
them use a position of up 9 degrees on the bottom of the wing (from back
to front) for weight and balance determinations. Suspect wherever +9
degrees puts the fuselage will be "level".
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
Building Original FireStar (when they stop cutting on my feet)
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| Subject: | unofficial kolb fly in 2005 |
06/30/2004 12:20:09 PM
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
I think Boyd's idea of meeting up at Bryce Canyon Natl Park is an excellent
one. Southern Utah is filled with beautiful places, and this is definitely
one of them. Bryce will also offer some additional outdoor activities for
both flying and non-flying family members. As nice as Monument Valley is,
activities for non-flying participants were pretty much limited to car
tours of the valley. Bryce might attract a few more family members with
all of its great hiking areas.
Erich Weaver
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly taxi question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
<< ... you ought to go get 4 or 5 hours of tailwheel dual in a light
tailwheel airplane.... the lighter the better. Trying to teach yourself
tailwheel technique in a single seat airplane by reading e-mails between
training "events" just doesn't make sense... Beauford >>
Guy --
My first-flight experience in my Mark-3 was one of the "e-mail training
events" Beauford refers to. Bent both gear legs on my first landing because
of unfamiliarity in aircraft type. I was lucky - that was a cheap lesson.
Took a weekend trip to TNK and learned to fly a Kolb from the experts in
their Mark-3Extra demonstrator. Came home a Kolb pilot. Worth the expense
and effort.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, Verner-powered, in
Cedar Crest, NM
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| Subject: | Re: unofficial kolb fly in 2005 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "G. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
I also second Boyd's idea of Bryce Canyon. And if you check out the map,
Zion National is only an ultralight flight from there.
It would be relatively easy to hit two parks in the single outing. What do
you all think? And then too, maybe Boyd would give an old tired Eagle
another ride in his beautiful bird.
Az. Bald Eagle, George
----- Original Message -----
From: <Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: unofficial kolb fly in 2005
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
>
>
> I think Boyd's idea of meeting up at Bryce Canyon Natl Park is an
excellent
> one. Southern Utah is filled with beautiful places, and this is
definitely
> one of them. Bryce will also offer some additional outdoor activities
for
> both flying and non-flying family members. As nice as Monument Valley
is,
> activities for non-flying participants were pretty much limited to car
> tours of the valley. Bryce might attract a few more family members with
> all of its great hiking areas.
>
> Erich Weaver
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Try these good folks. You will need to know what speed range your looking
for, example 80, 100, 120 MPH or Knots.
jerb
http://www.airstuff.com/index.html
At 07:56 AM 6/30/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jimmy and Jo Ann Hill" <hillstw@jhill.biz>
>
>Need a 2 1/4" airspeed indicator for a firestar.
>Anybody got one for sale?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Jimmy
>
>
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| Subject: | unofficial kolb fly in 2005 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
I understand what everyone is saying about the beauty and varied things to
do at Bryce Canyon and any of the other parks.
For me it is not much fun and the pictures aren't very good when you have to
stay 2000 feet above the surface or the upper-most rim of a canyon or
valley.
For me, I will visit the National Parks and other charted areas while on a
road trip. The rest of this country is fair game at FAA minimum altitudes.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 602 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
Zenith CH701 Project
http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane
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| Subject: | SlingShot Thrust Line Issues |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@isp.com>
SlingShot Pilots,
I am working on mounting my turbo 3-cyl & have heard that several SS
pilots have raised the rear engine mounts up to 3/4". The plans call for 3
washers on top of the front & back lord mounts. What are your experiences?
Any high thrust line issues?
I would like to go to a 68" prop, plans call for 66". Anyone go to
68" or higher diameter?
Richard Swiderski
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| Subject: | Update on Ms.Dixie |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Hi Kolbers,
I have completed the fix to the fuselage. Getting a handel on the new TIG machine.
TNK had missed two welds on the airframe and I plan on adding several tabs
for rivnuts for screws to be able to remove the nose cone for easy accsess to
the panel as Mark German did. The Jig has payed off big time. Last night we
(my welding instructor and I) were able to stand jig/fuselage on end for better
position to TIG the missed welds. This jig will also pay off in preping the
fuselage for painting. After a call to Travis today to price brake pedals, I learend
that my gear legs were made from the wrong stock. This was discovered in
a recent mishap of a Kolbra pilot bending the gear. Turns out, the legs should
have been .125" wall thickness instead of .100". Replacements are on the way
as soon as TNK gets the new stock. Great folks up there at TNK. Tonight I plan
to complete the tube seal on the last three sections and the door frame. I
snapped some pretty cool photos and will share with you all.
Welding instructor sewing up the missed welds> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P6290003.JPG
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P6290004.JPG
The results http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P6290005.JPG
Standing the jig/fuselage on the end! Way cool! > http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P6290008.JPG
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P6290010.JPG
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Hit the wrong button before spell check and edit! hehehe dang.
Anyway here are the rest of the photos.
Shot of the TIG arc.
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P6290012.JPG
This is the fix from the goofed up cross member.
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P6290021.JPG
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P6290022.JPG
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
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| Subject: | Re: unofficial kolb fly in 2005 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "wiserguy" <wiserguy@comcast.net>
Gang,
Boyd, Eric and AZ Dave put me down as a "YES" vote, on Bryce also. Sounds
like fun, especilly for us Grounded guys with cameras. Oh yeah, Eric great
shots you posted of one of your flights at MV, you were into some different
terrain. I copied some I liked them so much. Hope your okay with that, Big
Lar charges me for that, he he.
Bob Dalton
(still lurkin)
Manteca, CA
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----- Original Message -----
From: <Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: unofficial kolb fly in 2005
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
>
>
> I think Boyd's idea of meeting up at Bryce Canyon Natl Park is an
excellent
> one. Southern Utah is filled with beautiful places, and this is
definitely
> one of them. Bryce will also offer some additional outdoor activities
for
> both flying and non-flying family members. As nice as Monument Valley
is,
> activities for non-flying participants were pretty much limited to car
> tours of the valley. Bryce might attract a few more family members with
> all of its great hiking areas.
>
> Erich Weaver
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 06/29/04 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vic" <vicw@vcn.com>
I am sure sorry that John was poorly treated at Rocksprings. I wish I had
know because I have a friend in Greenriver (near Rocksprings) that I am
sure would have put him up for the night.
John, the next time you head to Wyoming give me a call I will try to get you
a real Wyoming welcome
Vic - In northeast Wyoming where we are friendly - Hulett Wyoming has a
brand new airport with a spectacular view of Devils Tower National Monument.
Cell 623 628-5225
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| Subject: | Re: unofficial kolb fly in 2005 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Harrrr..............that one's gonna cost ya dinner when I come that way.
:-) Stalled Lar, still in Cullman, Alabama - but my new
camera came today, so I'm gone tomorrow, headed for Okefenokee.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "wiserguy" <wiserguy@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: unofficial kolb fly in 2005
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "wiserguy" <wiserguy@comcast.net>
>
> Gang,
> Boyd, Eric and AZ Dave put me down as a "YES" vote, on Bryce also. Sounds
> like fun, especilly for us Grounded guys with cameras. Oh yeah, Eric great
> shots you posted of one of your flights at MV, you were into some
different
> terrain. I copied some I liked them so much. Hope your okay with that, Big
> Lar charges me for that, he he.
> Bob Dalton
> (still lurkin)
> Manteca, CA
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Changing props and the FAA |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: The Kuffels <kuffel@cyberport.net>
Giovanni,
<<prop had been changed .. I have to go through the FSDO
and fill out a form, etc. What is the proper procedure?>>
What you first must do is find out if *your* FSDO thinks your prop
change is a "major modification". Write them and see what they say. If
the answer is yes then send them a formal notice telling them exactly
what the change is and asking for recertification guidance. Most times
they will send you a letter stating a test period of x hours in a given
test area. When you have done the testing you make a logbook entry,
usually with the phrase they give you about "no adverse
characteristics". At worse, they will want to inspect the aircraft
again just like its initial certification but this is very unlikely for
just a prop change.
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
Building Original FireStar
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: The Kuffels <kuffel@cyberport.net>
John,
Your satellite phone arrived today. Looking forward to seeing you later
this week or next.
The doctor today not only removed the last stitches until the "last"
operation on July 20, he also gave me permission to use crutches. This
will increase my mobility 1000% so who knows what I can do when you are
here.
Take care,
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
Building Original FireStar
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| Subject: | Re: SlingShot Thrust Line Issues |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Richard,
My friend Luray used to have a 70 or 72" three blade wood prop on his
Slingshot, He loved the performance it gave him, but a resonance problem
caused by the gearbox ratio he was using, forced him to drop the ratio and
prop diameter.
You should be fine with a 68 inch prop, if you have a deep enough reduction,
I would go all the way to 70" myself.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3
> SlingShot Pilots,
> I would like to go to a 68" prop, plans call for 66". Anyone go
to
> 68" or higher diameter?
>
> Richard Swiderski
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| Subject: | Re: SlingShot Attitude, Ohio to Florida dilemma |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: <GeoR38@aol.com>
> The min price to come down by someone else driving something is
$1650.....and
> I say.....boooo! I sure would like to fly it but without a wingman, I'm
too
> sceered, besides, I don't trust my health. Am considering even selling it
up
> here and building a firefly down there. Will be comin back down in about a
week,
> I guess....I hope I have a conclusion before then.
>
> George Randolph
> Firestar driver from Akron/The Villages Fl
George,
Please let me know where exactly you are in Akron,(Which airport). (Phone #)
I would like to try to fly out to see you and your bird before you leave for
Florida.
I am getting Lasik surgery done to my eyes tomorrow, and will be off work
all next week, if I am able maybe me and my son can make a Kolb trip out to
see you .
Denny Rowe, Mk-3 near Pittsburgh, 724-845-1431
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: artdog1512 <nazz57@yahoo.com>
Time: 02:29:46 PM PST US
From: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: unoficial kolb fly in 2005
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young"
<by0ung@brigham.net>
everybody
been visiting with Erich Weaver about the unificial
kolb fly in for
2005. History,,,
in 2002 he and i started a trip with some others and
it got cut short
due to weather.... so in 2003 we decided to finish
the trip.... but
we dident
realy finish the trip... just one leg of the trip,
monument valley,
twice....
the next leg of the 2002 trip was to take us to
Bryce Canyon National
Park. I propose that next year, 2005, we go there
instead>>>>
great idea! .... uh, where's Bryce Canyon
National Park? .... tim
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| Subject: | For Sale: Kolb Firestar II |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ken Vance" <vances@infinet.com>
Rotax 503, Electric Starter, 4 Blade "Ultra-Prop", 35 Hours, Folding Wings, Full
Enclosure,
10 Gallons Fuel, Streamline Struts, Brakes, Stits Covering, Wing Tip Strobes.
Always hangared and well maintained, no damage history.
E-Mailed photos available by request. Asking $10,750.
Ken Vance
Eaton, Ohio
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