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1. 12:30 PM - wing cord (Jimmy)
2. 12:57 PM - Re: Firefly owner - small wheels (jerb)
3. 01:07 PM - Re: [ Eugene Zimmerman ] : New Email List Photo Share (Eugene Zimmerman)
4. 01:23 PM - Re: Photo's (Eugene Zimmerman)
5. 01:33 PM - Re: Photo's (Matt Dralle)
6. 02:12 PM - Re: wing cord (James and Cathy Tripp)
7. 02:51 PM - Trip (Larry Bourne)
8. 06:46 PM - Re: [ Mike Pierzina ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (GeoR38@aol.com)
9. 06:53 PM - Re: Trip (N27SB@aol.com)
10. 06:54 PM - Re: [ Denny Rowe ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (GeoR38@aol.com)
11. 06:54 PM - Re: Trip (N27SB@aol.com)
12. 07:06 PM - another poll!! (Bob N.)
13. 07:07 PM - Re: [ Eugene Zimmerman ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (GeoR38@aol.com)
14. 07:16 PM - Re: Photo's (John Cooley)
15. 07:22 PM - Re: UL: another poll!! (Bob N.)
16. 07:32 PM - Re: Firefly owner - engine mounting plate (Jack & Louise Hart)
17. 07:50 PM - Re: Re: UL: another poll!!...sport pilot (Don Gherardini)
18. 08:52 PM - Re: Firefly owner - engine mounting plate,wheels (herbgh@juno.com)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jimmy <jhankin@planters.net>
Fellows of Knowledge
When figuring wing cord is this with or without ailerons.
When figuring CG is the percent for a Firefly 20 to 37 percent figured with the
ailerons or without.
Jimmy Hankinson
912-863-7384
Rocky Ford, Ga. 30455
jhankin@planters.net
Kolb Firefly/447/240hrs
Local field, Pegasus/2000/Grass
Airport JYL/Sylvania, Ga.
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly owner - small wheels |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Guys,
Are we talking 4" diameter or the rim width. My post about 5" versus 6"
was diameter. I noticed when observing the factory FireFly at Oshkosh 95,
the 5 inch dia. wheels worked the gear very hard on the rough turf, kind of
like dragging a phonograph needle across a record. (Gee does this date me!)
I know I suggested to Dennis that they need to move the gear on the FireFly
forward just slightly to reduce its tendency to nose over. Unless you add
some metal frame work to the cage there nothing to attach a skid to other
than the nose cone. Then that more weigh in the wrong place which can make
things worst.
jerb
At 08:43 PM 7/9/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
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>At 08:48 AM 7/9/04 -0500, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
> >
> > Should be flying by next friday!! :-) Herb in Ky
> >
> > and--what wheel size is preferred? Gonna be overweight anyhow! I
> >do not want those itty bitty wheels and tires!!
> >
> >do not archive
> >
>
>Herb
>
>Been flying with the 4 inch Azusa nylon wheels, and they are doing just
>great. Today marked the 450th take off and landing using these wheels and
>the Cheng Shin wheel barrow type ribbed tire. Mostly, I fly off of hard
>surfaces with a long taxi in and out to and from the hangar. Most of my
>take off and landings are in cross winds, so the tires, at this point, are
>just about smooth. I believe I can get to 500 take off and landings before
>replacing the tires. If I was flying off of grass, I believe, they would go
>much longer.
>
>The trick to using small wheels is to be sure that the landing gear is set
>up properly. The wheels must be parallel to the FireFly central axis and
>just enough camber so that the wheels tip out a little at the top with you
>in the plane. This set up gives stable taxi performance, and it minimizes
>side loads so that the wheels and bearing hold up (145 hours on the wheels,
>and about 130 hours on the bearings).
>
>The lower you can keep the weigh and drag, the better your FireFly will
>perform. To minimize the risk of small wheels, one needs to three point the
>FireFly. Plant the tail wheel first and then let the mains come on down.
>By doing this you can spill off as much speed and retain as much lift as
>possible before dropping the small wheel into the grass. On take off hold
>the stick back against the stop and do not let the tail come up. This
>ensures that you take as much weight off the mains as possible as the
>FireFly accelerates. It will pop up into ground effect at some where around
>25 mph. If you tease the throttle and get it to bouncing, you will find it
>will start bouncing at a much lower speed. This will let you get up out of
>tall grass and off rough fields with minimum punishment to the landing gear.
> This is because the wing is at its highest angle of attack, and as the
>speed picks up, the wing develops lift, and landing gear load decreases. If
>one lets the tail come up, the angle of attack goes down, and so does the
>lift for a given speed. As result, the landing gear loads become much
>greater.
>
>For what it is worth.
>
>Jack B. Hart FF004
>Jackson, MO
>
>
>Jack & Louise Hart
>jbhart@ldd.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [ Eugene Zimmerman ] : New Email List Photo Share |
Available!
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
Ronnie Wehba wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ronnie Wehba" <rwehba@cox.net>
>
> is that a ultrastar hanging on the wall?
> ----- Original Message -----
No it is NOT.
The one hanging nose up is not an Ultra Star. It is one of a kind
proto-type that was never put into production. It has a high tail boom
similar to the Ultra Star but it is a,,,,,,,,,,, (you ready for
this?),,,,,,,, tractor prop kolb plane with a very simple \__- shaped
single tube fuselage frame with unique control linkage.
A very interesting plane.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
Yeah, I posted them nearly three weeks ago and they only now finally
made it to the list.
I know a bunch of guys are looking forward to doing it again next year.
Thank you for coordinating the event. You did such a good job I think
you have earned a permanent position as the official Annual Homer Kolb
Fly-in Coordinator.
Do not archive
Terry wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
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> Gene,
>
> Glad to see your photo's finally made it to the list! Brings back good memories.
> Thanks for posting them.
>
> I need to get a scanner, SOON!
>
> Terry - FireFly - #95
>
> Do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
My apologies, guys, for the delay getting the photos up on the Photoshare
site!! I've been on vacation and came back to quite a huge wad of email to
plow through!!
Matt
At 01:16 PM 7/10/2004 Saturday, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
><eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
>
> Yeah, I posted them nearly three weeks ago and they only now finally
>made it to the list.
>
>I know a bunch of guys are looking forward to doing it again next year.
>Thank you for coordinating the event. You did such a good job I think
>you have earned a permanent position as the official Annual Homer Kolb
>Fly-in Coordinator.
>
>Do not archive
>
>
>Terry wrote:
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
> >
> > Gene,
> >
> > Glad to see your photo's finally made it to the list! Brings back good
> memories.
> > Thanks for posting them.
> >
> > I need to get a scanner, SOON!
> >
> > Terry - FireFly - #95
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp" <jtripp@elmore.rr.com>
Jimmy,
I think the wing cord to use for W/B is an average that includes your
ailerons. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
James Tripp, FS II
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmy" <jhankin@planters.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: wing cord
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jimmy <jhankin@planters.net>
>
> Fellows of Knowledge
>
> When figuring wing cord is this with or without ailerons.
>
> When figuring CG is the percent for a Firefly 20 to 37 percent figured
with the ailerons or without.
>
> Jimmy Hankinson
> 912-863-7384
> Rocky Ford, Ga. 30455
> jhankin@planters.net
> Kolb Firefly/447/240hrs
> Local field, Pegasus/2000/Grass
> Airport JYL/Sylvania, Ga.
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Tho' not on a Kolb, this is airplane related.............. :-) Arrived in Key
West, Florida this morning, and just made it onto a flight to Fort Jefferson at
Dry Tortugas National Park, something like 75 miles out into the ocean, PAST
Key West. What a great flight ! ! ! Take off on land, land in the water, then
reverse that coming home. Beautiful ride, on a turbine powered Cessna Caravan
on amphibious floats.
Guys from the Monument Valley trips - those Caravan drivers who took the whole
runway to get off the ground were funnin' their passengers. This guy firewalled
it, and we were off in about 1/3 of the runway. What Fun ! ! !
End a the line Lar, ready to start home. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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| Subject: | Re: [ Mike Pierzina ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 7/9/04 6:38:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
pictures@matronics.com writes:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/planecrazzzy@lycos.com.07.09.2004/index.ht
ml
Wow!, now I can say I know someone who Kicks butt on the sewing machine as
well as in the air!! Neato!!
George Randolph
Firestar driver from The Villages....soon anyway
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
Larry,
Don't know if you have time but a friend of mine does rides in an ultralight
on floats in Key West. He is based out of the Blue Lagoon hotel as you are
going into Key West. Its is really the most fun I have had in a light plane. His
name is EP Dalton and his phone is 305-296-9890. BTW after 30 years of going
to the keys I made my first trip to Fort Jeff last week, pretty cool place huh.
His website is http://www.knotink.com/UltraLights/ultralight.html
Happy trails
Steve
Leaving at 3 am to travel to Kolb to work for a week.
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| Subject: | Re: [ Denny Rowe ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 7/9/04 6:41:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
pictures@matronics.com writes:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/rowedl@highstream.net.07.09.2004/index.htm
l
Neat plane, Denny, and I am still planning to go to Champion, just north of
Warren to pick up my Firestar. for the long haul down to The Villages,
Florida. Hope to set something up with you and yours for your flight over to my
field there.....I still have to get the coordinates, though.
George Randolph
Firestar driver
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
Sorry Matt
do not archive my last post
steve
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Listers,
The subject of Sport usually brings out the best/worst in posts. Some
are rabidly against, while other see it as the salvation of flying.
Ancillary subjects are the questions of whether there will instructors
for Sport, and whether there will Sport planes for these instructors to
use, either purchased by the instructor, or the flight school.
Since I write a column for Aviation Digest (since 1993), and since I
have not been as supportive of Sport, AvDigest readers have dinged me as
a result. In fact, two readers (CFI) have said they welcome Sport, will
instruct, and while one already has a (maybe) Sport, the other will
purchase a Sport. These are only two, so far.
I would most certainly appreciate replies to the following questions:
1) If you are a CFI or certified instructor with one of the alphabet
groups, will you instruct Sport pilot trainees?
2) If above answer is positive, will you, or your flight school/FBO buy
a certified Sport plane for instruction or rental?
Since in the past there have been so many posts regarding Sport, perhaps
these sentiments can be reiterated.
many thanks,
Bob N.
ronoy@shentel.net
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy
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| Subject: | Re: [ Eugene Zimmerman ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 7/9/04 6:46:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
pictures@matronics.com writes:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com.07.09.2004/ind
ex.html
Great pictures Eugene....n .... covers a bunchastufftoboot!... First I've
ever seen Homer's farm....really looks ....totally....farmy!!! Which is homey
for GREAT!
Sure wish I coulda gone.
George Randolph
Firestar driver
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Hey Matt,
You've got every one spoiled!! You do a great job and I really appreciate
you taking the time to keep all these list going. It's got to be very time
intensive. I would be lost without the Kolb list to read every day. Hope you
had a great vacation.
John Cooley
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Photo's
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
My apologies, guys, for the delay getting the photos up on the Photoshare
site!! I've been on vacation and came back to quite a huge wad of email to
plow through!!
Matt
At 01:16 PM 7/10/2004 Saturday, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
><eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
>
> Yeah, I posted them nearly three weeks ago and they only now finally
>made it to the list.
>
>I know a bunch of guys are looking forward to doing it again next year.
>Thank you for coordinating the event. You did such a good job I think
>you have earned a permanent position as the official Annual Homer Kolb
>Fly-in Coordinator.
>
>Do not archive
>
>
>Terry wrote:
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
> >
> > Gene,
> >
> > Glad to see your photo's finally made it to the list! Brings back good
> memories.
> > Thanks for posting them.
> >
> > I need to get a scanner, SOON!
> >
> > Terry - FireFly - #95
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: UL: another poll!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Geez, I left out a whole line:
3) Do you know a CFI who will/will not instruct in Sport? Same thing
about buying a Sport.
thanks again
Bob N.
do not archive fergot that, too
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly owner - engine mounting plate |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 11:04 PM 7/9/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
.....................................
>fat...probably gain a little airspeed that way . AS far as the
>aluminum.....well...I guess you could probably double up that 1/4
>stock.....maybe weld the edges as a lamination or just add strips for a
>doubler as you suggest.. I dont really know what the result would be.
>I used minimum standards that American Honda uses for approvals for OEM
>applications of Honda powerplants...and I must tell you.....Honda wont
>approve any engine on 1/4 alum inch mounting above 6 hp....1/4 steel they
>allow up to 30 hp or 5/16th alum
>Now...I also admit these standards are based on alot longer time duration
>than we expect from our little airplanes engines....generally 2500 hour
>duration standards....but just a couple of hard landings on that 1/4
>inch....and I would bet a buck that the inertia of that engine would really
>strain the mounting plate, so I simply chose a higher standard...the weight
>penalty I didnt even consider, as I personally believe it was negligable. If
>Weight was of more concern to me...5/16 would likely be enough....like
>you....I already had some stock on hand...and mine was 3/8th 2024 so I used
>it.
Don,
Does Honda specify mounting their engines with four Lord mounts too? This
is why one can get away with using the 1/4 inch thick aluminum engine
mounting plate with out fear of cracking.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: UL: another poll!!...sport pilot |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Bob...
I talked to Tommy George of American Aero just the other day about this
subject...et:al the requirement for a certified plane for instruction.,
which was one of the many parts of the sport pilot stuff I wasnt aware of...
He told me that since the 2 place Phoenix has been approved for
certification when built by him..(the owner of American Aero, manufacturer
of this kitplane) He sees it as a god thing...increased sales for his
airplane. So HE Will instruct. He is NOT a CFI..but a AFI aproved by one of
the alpahbet groups. so theres one for your poll.
Looks to me like if any manufacturer of a 2 place sport possible plane that
does not get their design approved for FAA certification...will likely not
be able to sell any as a Sportplane...due to the lack of a certified version
to get a checkride in,,,, not the written rule..but the effect of the
rule..am I understanding this correctly?
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly owner - engine mounting plate,wheels |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
All
Thanks for your thoughts on tire size for the Firefly. I am inclined
toward 6 inchers a present.
Went to a Bluegrass Ultralight Group fly in today and got a good look
at a factory built Firefly. I noticed that the quarter inch plate that
the engine is mounted to had rough edges most of the way around.
Wondering where yours cracked;Don?
Looks as if my axle brackets do not have the round washers welded on
where the brakes mount.
Buford--I thought the nose was number one? Whats second? :-) Herb
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