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1. 04:24 AM - spl (Ted Cowan)
2. 05:07 AM - LSA (flykolb)
3. 05:50 AM - costs for going SP (ul15rhb@juno.com)
4. 05:56 AM - Re: Fw: [carolinasportflyers] Summary of the Sport Pilot Rule (Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers)
5. 06:30 AM - SP (Bob Bean)
6. 06:39 AM - In Flight "Adjustable" (Mike Pierzina)
7. 06:57 AM - Corrected - Source for Slip/Compass Indicator (jerb)
8. 07:02 AM - Re: Fw: [carolinasportflyers] Summary of the Sport Pilot Rule (Ron or Mary Payne)
9. 07:26 AM - Re: In Flight "Adjustable" (flykolb)
10. 07:43 AM - Re: spl (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
11. 09:09 AM - Re: Fw: [carolinasportflyers] Summary of the Sport Pilot Rule (John Williamson)
12. 01:17 PM - Oshkosh 2004 (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
13. 01:26 PM - Elevator movement (Jimmy)
14. 02:24 PM - Re: Oshkosh 2004 (N27SB@aol.com)
15. 03:59 PM - Re: Oshkosh 2004 (Don Gherardini)
16. 04:35 PM - Re: Elevator movement (Jack & Louise Hart)
17. 05:01 PM - Re: Fw: [carolinasportflyers] Summary of the Sport Pilot Rule (bryan green)
18. 05:04 PM - Re: Oshkosh 2004 (Jim Clayton)
19. 05:37 PM - Re: Elevator movement (Don Gherardini)
20. 06:17 PM - Re: Oil Pump Wanted (Terry)
21. 06:44 PM - Re: Prop Bolts (David Paule)
22. 07:08 PM - Re: Oshkosh 2004 (Bob Dalton)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ted Cowan <tcowan1917@direcway.com>
am I reading this correct? A single seat flyer gets his endorsement having
an examiner (whoever or whatever that will be) watch him fly and then have
to take a biannual in a two seat? what idiot figured that one out. looks
like the factorys got to the 'man' and wrote this to tax the ordinary man to
death. of course, the plane industry and eaa wants us little guys out of
the air so they can sell the new big expensive ones. that is how I figure
it. no one is going to be able to afford to get the schools they are going
to require us to take to work on our own planes. this is not going to
further aviation, it is going to kill aviation from what I can see. I guess
at this point, panic is setting in. everything I invisioned to happen isnt
and it is going to be a nightmare. I guess what will finally happen if all
this comes true is we are still going to be flying illegally and take our
chances. I dont know of anyone who is going to "scrap" our old two seaters
for any reason. what about the special provision that was supposed to be
written in to help us register our old fat and two seaters we have without
any paper work? guess answers just prompt more questions. I have a two
seat challenger in the hanger I take care of for a guy who just doesnt want
to learn to fly anymore but wants rides. he says I should register it when
the time comes but how? anyone with answers could please answer off list if
they want but the answers are probably good for everyone. thanks. ted
cowan. p.s. was planning on taking the 80 hour course to help take care of
planes in my hangers but wow, looks like the faa is complicating this to a
point of exhaustion.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
Bryan,
Thanks for the info - well done.
It looks like all but jets are to be "grounded" if this is correct:
* LSA cannot have an in-flight propeller or retractable gear.
Personally, I like to keep my prop when I/m flying :-).
Jim
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| Subject: | costs for going SP |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ul15rhb@juno.com" <ul15rhb@juno.com>
The cost to be an SP pilot is going to be more than one thinks. Look at the following:
cost of written test ($)
cost of flight test ($)
cost for inspection ($$)
cost for any modifications found during inspection ($$$$$)
cost for maintenance course ($$$$$$)
cost for State of MN sticker ($)
cost for aircraft ownership in MN ($$$)
cost for insurance premiums ($$$$$)
cost for transponder if flown within mode C veil ($$$$$$)
cost of biennial flight reviews ($$)
If the FAA were smart, they would put the maintenance courses and practice tests
on DVD's then take the tests on the internet. This would cut the costs considerably.
Then if they can keep insurance premiums under $300 a year, it will be
affordable.
I plan on taking the written and flight tests as soon as they become available.
They should be reasonable in cost and I can do that now. The aircraft registration
will wait until I see some way to afford it.
Ralph
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| From: | "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: [carolinasportflyers] Summary of the Sport Pilot Rule |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net>
As stated further down in this information and copied here:
> SPORT PILOT TRAINING
>
> This an abbreviated summary of the minimum required flight
> experience to be a private pilot weight shift or powered parachute:
>
>Powered parachute:: 25 hours total, including 3 hours of night
>flight, and a 25 mile solo cross country
Is this an error about the 3 hours of night flying? Because under the SPORT PILOTS
section it states: No night flying.
> * A sport pilot must have at least 3 miles visibility to fly.
>
>
> * No night flying.
>
>
> * No towing.
Wayne Cahoon
Aircraft Engravers
(860) 653-2780
(860) 653-7324 Fax
http://www.engravers.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Fw: [carolinasportflyers] Summary of the Sport Pilot Rule
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
>
>
> Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W.Davis" <patches11us@yahoo.com>
> To: <carolinasportflyers@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [carolinasportflyers] Summary of the Sport Pilot Rule
>
>
> "Jon Thornburgh" <JonThornburgh@p...> wrote:
> The FAA finally promulgated the Sport Pilot initiative on July 20,
> 2004. The
> rule becomes effective on September 1, 2004.
>
>
> Here's a quick summary of the salient features regarding the Sport
> Pilot
> certificate and Light Sport Aircraft (LSA):
>
>
> LIGHT SPORT AIRCRAFT
>
>
> * The allowable gross weight is 1,320 pounds. Aircraft operated on
> water
> can weigh 1,430 pounds.
>
>
> * The stall speed must be not greater than 45 knots, max speed: 120
> knots.
>
>
> * LSA cannot have an in-flight propeller or retractable gear.
>
>
> * Seaplanes can have "repositionable gear." The rule specifically
> says that
> the gear must be operated in either the down position throughout the
> entire
> flight, or in the up position throughout the entire flight. In other
> words,
> it appears that an amphibious seaplane may not take off from land
> with the
> gear down, raise the gear, and then land on water. This seems to
> preclude
> the Aventura from qualifying as an LSA.
>
>
> * An LSA can have only one engine
>
>
> * Hang gliders and foot-launched powered and unpowered paragliders
> are
> specifically excluded from being LSA, and a Sport Pilot certificate
> does not
> allow a sport pilot to fly a tandem hang glider or tandem paraglider.
>
>
> * Weight-shift trikes are limited to two-axis control only. No
> rudder is
> allowed for yaw control.
>
>
> SPORT PILOTS
>
>
> * Contrary to the Sport Pilot NPRM, a sport pilot need not obtain a
> logbook endorsement for each make and model that he wants to fly. The
> FAA
> will create a "set" of similar LSA make and models. You'll need
> additional
> instruction and an instructor's logbook endorsement for each new make
> and
> model "set" that you want to check out in.
>
>
> * Sport Pilot Instructors must have 5 hours of PIC in each make and
> model
> set before they can teach in that aircraft.
>
>
> * Powered parachutes are divided into "land" and "sea" classes.
>
>
> * Pilots will be allowed to take a practical test (flight test) in a
> single
> seat LSA. The examiner will observe him from the ground. The pilot
> will have
> a "single-seat" limitation on his certificate.
>
>
> * Sport pilots will have to take a biennial flight review (BFI). A
> pilot
> with a "single-seat" limitation will still have to take a BFI, and he
> will
> have to take it in a two seat LSA.
>
>
> * The "driver's license medical" is not as liberal as many people
> thought
> it would be. If you have failed your aviation medical exam, you
> cannot fly
> with just a driver's license. If you lose your driver's license for
> any
> reason (like failure to have insurance) you cannot fly an LSA (unless
> you
> get a third class medical.) If your doctor tells you that you can't
> operate
> a motor vehicle (vision impairment, taking prescription drugs, etc.)
> you
> cannot fly an LSA.
>
>
> * A sport pilot may not fly above 10,000 feet MSL. He cannot fly
> above
> 10,000 feet even to cross over high terrain. (If you live near
> Denver, you
> won't be able to fly more than 5,000 feet AGL.)
>
>
> * A sport pilot must have at least 3 miles visibility to fly.
>
>
> * No night flying.
>
>
> * No towing.
>
>
> * You cannot demonstrate LSA for sale if you are a "salesman." (The
> definition of a "salesman" is not given.)
>
>
> * A sport pilot may fly in airspace where radio control is required,
> but
> only with additional training and a logbook endorsement.
>
>
> * Although an LSA is allowed to have a top speed (in level flight)
> of 120
> knots, a sport pilot must have additional training and a logbook
> endorsement
> to fly an LSA with a level flight speed of more than 87 knots.
>
>
> LSA MAINTENANCE
>
>
> * On "Special" LSA (those LSA delivered "turn-key" flyable by the
> manufacturer,) you are only allowed to do "preventative maintenance",
> and
> only if you are the owner of the Special LSA. (Preventive maintenance
> options are listed in FAR Part 43, Appendix "A".) If you want to do an
> annual inspection you must attend a 16-hour maintenance course. The
> 16-hour
> course only allows you to inspect your airplane for defects, it does
> not
> allow you to perform maintenance on the airplane.
>
>
> * If you want to do actual maintenance on the aircraft, you must
> attend a
> maintenance course of 80 hours for gliders and lighter-than-air
> aircraft,
> 120 hours for airplanes and 104 hours for weight-shift (trikes) and
> powered
> parachutes. (The original NPRM proposed 80 hours.) Maintenance
> students must
> pass a maintenance knowledge test with a score of at least 80%.
>
>
> An applicant for an LSA repairman certificate must take a
> maintenance
> course for each class of LSA
>
>
> * LSA will be subject to Airworthiness Directives ("AD") notices
>
>
> * Maintenance must be performed in accordance with the general
> aviation
> standards of FAR Part 43.
>
>
> * There can be no alternations made to an LSA unless it is approved
> by the
> manufacturer or the FAA.
>
>
> LSA EQUIPMENT
>
>
> * All two-seat LSAs must have an ELT.
>
>
> * LSA will be required to have a transponder to fly within Class B
> and
> Class C airspace, and the Class B "Mode C veil."
>
>
> * LSA must comply with FAR 91.213 (Inoperative Equipment) also known
> as the
> "Minimum Equipment List." This means that if you're on a cross-country
> flight and your tachometer breaks, you cannot fly home until it's
> fixed.
>
>
> ULTRALIGHT TRAINING
>
>
> * The two-seat ultralight Exemption for ultralight training will
> expire on
> January 31, 2008. After then, ultralight BFIs and AFIs will cease to
> exist.
>
>
> * All "fat" single seat ultralights and all two-seat ultralight
> trainers
> must be FAA inspected and converted to "experimental" LSA by August
> 31,
> 2007. (Apparently, if an ultralight trainer is not converted by
> August 31,
> 2007 it may still be used as an ultralight trainer until January 31,
> 2008,
> after which it must be junked.)
>
>
> * After an ultralight trainer is converted to an experimental LSA a
> Sport
> Pilot Instructor may use the converted experimental LSA as a Sport
> Pilot
> trainer (for compensation) until September 1, 2009.
>
>
> * An ultralight pilot must register with a national ultralight
> organization
> (ASC, EAA, USUA) by September 1, 2004 if he wants to have his
> ultralight
> flight time to count toward his sport pilot license. He must then
> take his
> Sport Pilot practical test by January 31, 2007.
>
>
> * Prospective LSA examiners who inspect and issue experimental LSA
> airworthiness certificates (DPEs) must attend a three-day FAA course.
>
>
> SPORT PILOT TRAINING
>
>
> * Prospective Sport Pilot Examiners must attend a 5-day FAA course.
>
>
> * Sport pilot instructors must have 150 hours of flight time.
>
>
> A sport pilot must be at least 17 years old, an Sport Pilot
> instructor 18
> years.
>
>
> This an abbreviated summary of the minimum required flight
> experience to
> be a sport pilot:
>
>
> Airplane: 20 hours total, 75 mile solo cross country
>
> Glider: 10 hours total
>
> Gyroplane: 20 hours total, 50 mile solo cross country
>
> Powered parachute: 12 hours total, 10 mile solo cross country
>
> Weight shift (trike): 20 hours total, 50 miles solo cross country
>
>
> This an abbreviated summary of the minimum required flight
> experience to
> be a private pilot weight shift or powered parachute:
>
>
> Powered parachute:: 25 hours total, including 3 hours of night
> flight, and a
> 25 mile solo cross country
>
>
> Weight-shift: 40 hours total, including 3 hours of night flying with
> a 75
> mile night cross country, and a 100 mile solo cross country
>
>
> Summary of sport pilot instructor requirements:
>
> --18 years of age
>
> --Knowledge exams on aeronautics and fundamental of instruction
>
> --Practical test
>
> --Have a sport pilot certificate or higher rating. A sport pilot
>
> instructor may teach private pilot weight-shift or private pilot
>
> powered parachute if the sport pilot instructor has at least a
>
> private pilot rating himself.
>
> --Required flight time:
>
> Airplane: 150 hours total time, 25 hours of cross
> country
>
> time
>
> Glider: 25 hours flight time
>
> Gyroplane: 125 hours flight time (at least 50 hours in a
>
> gyroplane) and 10 hours cross country
>
> Weight-shift: 150 hours total (50 in weight-shift,) 25 hours
>
> cross country
>
> Powered parachute: 100 hours total (50 in a powered parachute,)
> 15
>
> hours cross country
>
> --5 hours in the same make and model "set"
>
> --The sport pilot instructor must renew his instructor's
> certificate
>
> every two years, just as a general aviation instructor must do
>
> --an ultralight instructor must transition to sport pilot
> instructor
>
> by January 31, 2008 if he wants credit for his ultralight flight
>
> time
>
>
> MISCELLANEOUS
>
>
> * In the original Sport Pilot NPRM the FAA estimated the cost of
> implementing Sport Pilot (to the government and to the pilot
> community) to
> be $40.3 million dollars. After the OMB said that the FAA's economic
> figures
> were hogwash, the FAA went back to the ouiji board and revised their
> estimate of the cost of Sport Pilot to $221 million!
>
>
> Deadlines to remember:
>
>
> September 1, 2004 Effective date of the Sport Pilot rule. Deadline
>
> for an ultralight pilot to register with a
> national
>
> ultralight organization in order to have his
>
> ultralight flight time count toward his sport
> pilot
>
> certificate
>
>
> August 31, 2005 Deadline for recreational pilots and higher
>
> rated pilots to acquire the necessary flight
>
> time to apply for a category and class rating
>
> limited to a specific make and model of
>
> experimental aircraft
>
>
> January 31, 2007 Deadline for an ultralight pilot to take his sport
>
> pilot practical test if he wants his ultralight
>
> flight time to count toward his required sport
>
> pilot flight experience
>
>
> August 31, 2007 Last day that an experimental certificate will be
>
> issued to a "fat" ultralight or two-seat trainer
>
>
> January 31, 2008 Deadline for an ultralight instructor to take the
>
> practical test for sport pilot instructor and
> still
>
> receive credit for his ultralight instructing
>
> experience
>
>
> January 31, 2008 Ultralight two-seat training exemption expires
>
>
> September 1, 2009 Last day to be able to use an ultralight converted
>
> to an experimental LSA as a sport pilot trainer
> for
>
> compensation
> --- End forwarded message ---
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Gents, this situation is similar to tax law changes: "if it's good for
me, then
it's a good law" . -Looks to be winners and losers. From my personal
point of view, Newly minted airworthiness certificate, private pilot,
A&P mechanic, age 63, retired......couldn't be a better deal.
At this point a big thank you to all on the list who helped my project
to completion and kept my enthusiasm alive. -The same goes for
the matronics service that served as the magic transport for all those
ideas. -BB, MkIII, N3851E, geo/raven, 65" powerfin, parked
until sept 1 do not archive
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| Subject: | In Flight "Adjustable" |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Guys,
I'm sure that was suppose to be "in-flight Adjustable propeller"
Gotta Fly...
Mike
SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Bryan,
Thanks for the info - well done.
It looks like all but jets are to be "grounded" if this is correct:
* LSA cannot have an in-flight propeller or retractable gear.
Personally, I like to keep my prop when I/m flying :-).
Jim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
--
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| Subject: | Corrected - Source for Slip/Compass Indicator |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
All,
Any one seen these being sold by a company in the US?
jerb
http://www.bmaa.org/classified.asp?AdvertID=652
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: [carolinasportflyers] Summary of the Sport Pilot Rule |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron or Mary Payne" <whyme@vci.net>
I have been waiting for this SP thing for a long time. It is hard to
understand all the new rules but it appears to me that about the only
advantage is in the medical requirements. It seems that in the other areas
such as annual inspections, bi-annual reviews, when and where you can fly
etc, it is more complicated than even a privite pilot flying a certified
aircraft. I have been taking my bi-annual checks in a Cessna 172. It now
appears that I would have to find a CFI certified in a Kolb type of aircraft
It has just about convinced me that I will leave flying and stick with my
boat and motorcycle. This will mean that my FireStar will be available for
sale. 503 DCDI, IVO three blade prop, EIS, BRS, strobes, ELT, electric
start, Hot Box, and all the usual instruments. Kit purchesd new from Kolb
about 4 years ago and completed 2 years ago. Only about 10 hrs flying time.
Located in West Kentucky just out of Paducah, Ky. Any one interested,
contact me off list.
Ron Payne
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| Subject: | Re: In Flight "Adjustable" |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
Mike,
I realize that - I was just kidding! :-).
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: In Flight "Adjustable"
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
>
> Guys,
> I'm sure that was suppose to be "in-flight Adjustable propeller"
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike
>
>
> SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Bryan,
>
> Thanks for the info - well done.
>
> It looks like all but jets are to be "grounded" if this is correct:
> * LSA cannot have an in-flight propeller or retractable gear.
>
> Personally, I like to keep my prop when I/m flying :-).
>
> Jim
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
> My Web Site:
> http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
>
>
> Sometimes you just have to take the leap
> and build your wings on the way down...
> Gotta Fly...
>
>
> --
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Ted, all
There are hoops to jump thru, restrictions and new requirements but you can
still fly. Those of you that have been stretching the ultralight rules will
have to follow fewer regulations than the rest of us have had to. They also,
have allowed experience to be transferred to the SPL license. When I got my
private license I got zero credit for my ultralight experience. As for
registration of your airplanes the FAA knows that these planes will not be
scrapped. There will be options to register existing planes as sport planes
and/or experimental. I have to believe that the rules to register these
illegal planes will be relaxed a bit to get them registered in the grace
period. There is little or no charge to get the planes registered. As usual
the adherence to regulations will vary according to who and what office
processes the registration. If you register your plane as a experimental and
are the builder you have the option to get authorization to maintain the
airplane yourself.
I will be asking questions at Oshkosh this year.
Good Luck
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Cowan" <tcowan1917@direcway.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: spl
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ted Cowan <tcowan1917@direcway.com>
>
> am I reading this correct? A single seat flyer gets his endorsement
having
> an examiner (whoever or whatever that will be) watch him fly and then have
> to take a biannual in a two seat? what idiot figured that one out. looks
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| Subject: | Fw: [carolinasportflyers] Summary of the Sport Pilot Rule |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron or Mary Payne" <whyme@vci.net>
I have been waiting for this SP thing for a long time. It is hard to
understand all the new rules but it appears to me that about the only
advantage is in the medical requirements. It seems that in the other areas
such as annual inspections, bi-annual reviews, when and where you can fly
etc, it is more complicated than even a privite pilot flying a certified
aircraft. I have been taking my bi-annual checks in a Cessna 172. It now
appears that I would have to find a CFI certified in a Kolb type of aircraft
*******************************************
Don and all,
The following is pulled from the new rule. Only the parts that I think apply
to us operators of the new Class of aircraft, Light Sport Aircraft, have
been extracted. Basically we keep doing what we have been doing but we can
fly on a Driver's License and let the medical expire. We still have to meet
all the other requirements we have been doing for years. The flight review
can still be taken in any aircraft in a Category and Class that is on your
Pilot Certificate right now. There is no requirement for a pilot that is
licensed now to get a check ride in a specific make and model or set of
aircraft.
If you already have at least a recreational pilot certificate, you will have
to
Use the table in 14 CFR part 61.303 to determine what operating limits and
endorsement requirements in this subpart, if any, apply to you when you
operate a light-sport aircraft. The medical certificate specified in this
table must be valid. If you hold a recreational pilot certificate, but not
a medical certificate, you must comply with cross-country requirements in
61.101 (c), even if your flight does not exceed 50 nautical miles from your
departure airport. You must also comply with requirements in other subparts
of this part that apply to your certificate and the operation you conduct.
1. If you hold A medical certificate, And you hold At least a recreational
pilot certificate with a category and class rating, Then you may operate Any
light sport aircraft in that category and class, And You do not have to hold
any of the endorsements required by this subpart, nor do you have to comply
with the limitations in 61.315.
2. If you hold Only a U.S. drivers license, And you hold At least a
recreational pilot certificate with a category and class rating, Then you
may operate Any light sport aircraft in that category and class, And You do
not have to hold any of the endorsements required by this subpart, but you
must comply with the limitations in 61.315.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 606 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
Zenith CH701 Project
http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Hey almost forgot!
Do we want to plan a (want to be, builder, flyer) get-together daily at the Kolb
exhibit in the ultralight area? How about 8 AM or just after the morning fly?
Seems like we did 11 AM last year and there seemed to something happening elsewhere
at that time and it was HOT.
Also who is attending?
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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| Subject: | Elevator movement |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jimmy <jhankin@planters.net>
Jack or any other Firefly flier.
Could someone with a Firefly tell me how many degrees of movement that they have
on their horizontal elevator, full up and full down, from the center position.
When moving the flap lever, how much movement is there, measuring at the trailing
edge of the flap, when moving from the first position to the third position.
Also what is the angle of the main boom when in level flight.
Jimmy Hankinson
912-863-7384
Rocky Ford, Ga. 30455
jhankin@planters.net
Kolb Firefly/447/275 hrs
Local field, Pegasus/2000/Grass
Airport JYL/Sylvania, Ga.
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <
NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Hey almost forgot!
Do we want to plan a (want to be, builder, flyer) get-together daily at the
Kolb exhibit in the ultralight area? How about 8 AM o..........
I plan to be at the booth everyday, all day.
Steve Boetto
Kolb Amphib project
MKIIIC N272SB
Picked up kit #2 at Kolb
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Mr.Neilson,
I am not certain what official duties I will draw manning the various Honda
Booths at Oshosh..however I will be there, and I have requested thurs and
fri for -"off duty days"...and of course..I too would like to see and chat
with fellow "kolb benders".....at the show! Course....maybe the fellas I
need to chat with are the Kolber flyers....who have managed to keep theirs
straight!
Looking forward to seeing you again Richard!
Don Gherardini
OEM.Sales / Engineering dept.
American Honda Engines
Power Equipment Company
CortLand, Illinois
800-626-7326
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator movement |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 04:25 PM 7/22/04 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jimmy <jhankin@planters.net>
>
>Jack or any other Firefly flier.
>
>Could someone with a Firefly tell me how many degrees of movement that they have
on their horizontal elevator, full up and full down, from the center position.
>
>When moving the flap lever, how much movement is there, measuring at the trailing
edge of the flap, when moving from the first position to the third position.
>
>Also what is the angle of the main boom when in level flight.
>
>Jimmy Hankinson
Jimmy,
My elevator moves 20 degrees up or down from the neutral position.
I have no idea on the flaps. I will be gone for the rest of the week, but
I will measure the angle when I get back.
All the angles on my FireFly can be seen on the very bottom of:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly.html
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: [carolinasportflyers] Summary of the Sport Pilot Rule |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Ron, I don't think it's gonna be that bad pard hang in there till the dust
clears.
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron or Mary Payne" <whyme@vci.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fw: [carolinasportflyers] Summary of the Sport Pilot
Rule
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron or Mary Payne" <whyme@vci.net>
>
> I have been waiting for this SP thing for a long time. It is hard to
> understand all the new rules but it appears to me that about the only
> advantage is in the medical requirements. It seems that in the other
areas
> such as annual inspections, bi-annual reviews, when and where you can fly
> etc, it is more complicated than even a privite pilot flying a certified
> aircraft. I have been taking my bi-annual checks in a Cessna 172. It now
> appears that I would have to find a CFI certified in a Kolb type of
aircraft
> It has just about convinced me that I will leave flying and stick with
my
> boat and motorcycle. This will mean that my FireStar will be available
for
> sale. 503 DCDI, IVO three blade prop, EIS, BRS, strobes, ELT, electric
> start, Hot Box, and all the usual instruments. Kit purchesd new from Kolb
> about 4 years ago and completed 2 years ago. Only about 10 hrs flying
time.
> Located in West Kentucky just out of Paducah, Ky. Any one interested,
> contact me off list.
>
> Ron Payne
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Clayton <jspc78@yahoo.com>
Greeting everyone,
I'm almost finished with the first wing, and so it
looks like the plane won't be finished in time to make
it to Oshkosh this year ;-) All this alodyning and
epoxy painting takes a long time!
Sorry to miss you all this year. Have fun, and post
lots of stories and pictures when you return, ok?
Jim Clayton
California
Mark-3X, 912ULS, Building.....Planning to fly to Osh
next year!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf
Of Richard &
Martha Neilsen
Subject: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2004
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha
Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Hey almost forgot!
Do we want to plan a (want to be, builder, flyer)
get-together daily at the Kolb exhibit in the
ultralight area? How about 8 AM or just after the
morning fly? Seems like we did 11 AM last year and
there seemed to something happening elsewhere at that
time and it was HOT.
Also who is attending?
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator movement |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Jimmy,
The flaperon movement is very slight...I dont know how many degrees....just
a few... I was worried that it was no where near right when I built
mine...it is nothing like the flap angle on a bird with ailerons and flaps,
not even close. I called Kolb to verify.
This being my first craft flown with "flaperons"..I was...and still
am...simply amazed at the effect on the flight attitude when throwing that
lever and moveing those flaperons so little!
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Pump Wanted |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
al bumhoffer wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: al bumhoffer <abumhoffer@yahoo.com>
>
> I'm looking to buy a oil pump for my oil injected
> 503DCDI on my Firestar II, Does anyone have one that
> they removed from a new engine that they decided to
> use premix instead?
> Al Bumhoffer
> Elkton, MI
> Firestar II, Installing
> tail feathers
>
> Do Not Archive
>
Al,
I have a friend that just took one off a low hr. 503. I will contact him and ask
hat he wants
for it and then let you know his phone number. He doesn't get on the Kolb List.
Terry - Firefly #95
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
The NAS6605 series are indeed close-tolerance 160 ksi to 180 ksi (tension
strength) steel bolts. They are fine for tension or shear. The thread is
.3125-24 UNJF-3A.
These are excellent fasteners if that size and thread suits you. These are
considerably stronger than the 125 ksi AN5 bolts.
The -38 length is 2.844 inches long from under the head to the end of the
bolt. The grip length is 2.375 inches.
The "ma" is not noted in the specification. I don't know what that would be.
NAS6605-38 undrilled, nonlocking, cadmium plated.
NAS6605D38 drilled shank, undrilled head, nonlocking, cadmium plated.
NAS6605H38 drilled head, undrilled shank, nonlocking, cadmium plated.
NAS6605DH38 Drilled shank and head, nonlocking, cadmium plated.
Now that you've got the idea of how the descritive codes work:
L is for self-locking.
P is for self-locking, patch type.
C is for chromium plated.
If you plan to use these and need to drill them, it'll be hard. Email me
off-line and I'll send you the drilling specs.
Dave Paule
Boulder, CO
Used FSII that I haven't flown yet....
Regarding -
I have a dozen or so "NAS 6605-38 ma" bolts. These appear to be the correct
length
for mounting my 3-blade IVO prop to the 4" extension on my 912-UL engine.
These bolts have a dished-out center in the head and I suspect that they are
high
strength (~160K psi), close-tolerance bolts. They may be terrific for shear
applications but not recommended for tension applications like squeezing the
prop hub tightly in place but I may be wrong. I have tried to find them in
all
the standard handbooks with no luck. 'Hate to waste them.
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob Dalton" <wiserguy@comcast.net>
Jim,
How about posting some pics of your build thus far!
Bob Dalton
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Clayton" <jspc78@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2004
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Clayton <jspc78@yahoo.com>
>
> Greeting everyone,
>
> I'm almost finished with the first wing, and so it
> looks like the plane won't be finished in time to make
> it to Oshkosh this year ;-) All this alodyning and
> epoxy painting takes a long time!
>
> Sorry to miss you all this year. Have fun, and post
> lots of stories and pictures when you return, ok?
>
> Jim Clayton
> California
> Mark-3X, 912ULS, Building.....Planning to fly to Osh
> next year!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf
> Of Richard &
> Martha Neilsen
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2004
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha
> Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
>
> Hey almost forgot!
>
> Do we want to plan a (want to be, builder, flyer)
> get-together daily at the Kolb exhibit in the
> ultralight area? How about 8 AM or just after the
> morning fly? Seems like we did 11 AM last year and
> there seemed to something happening elsewhere at that
> time and it was HOT.
>
> Also who is attending?
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
>
>
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