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1. 10:01 AM - John H. Report (Bob N.)
2. 01:59 PM - Rivets! Rivets! (herbgh@juno.com.0.8.MANY_EXCLAMATIONS.Subject.has.many.exclamations)
3. 02:35 PM - (Mike Pierzina)
4. 02:56 PM - More Paperwork/Registration (Mike Pierzina)
5. 03:57 PM - Re: trimming for torque (Steve Kroll)
6. 04:18 PM - the floats (Paul Petty)
7. 06:17 PM - Re: trimming for torque (Richard Pike)
8. 06:33 PM - Suck You-In Message to Install Trojan (jerb)
9. 06:47 PM - Re: Suck You-In Message to Install Trojan (Dale Sellers)
10. 07:13 PM - Re: Rivets! Rivets! (jerb)
11. 07:17 PM - Re: Oshkosh 2004 (Jim Clayton)
12. 07:28 PM - Re: the floats/ John H report (N27SB@aol.com)
13. 07:34 PM - Re: the floats/ John H report (N27SB@aol.com)
14. 07:40 PM - Re: the floats (Bob Dalton)
15. 07:50 PM - Re: trimming for torque (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
16. 08:43 PM - Re: Rivets! Rivets! (herbgh@juno.com)
17. 09:16 PM - Re: the floats (Frank Reynen)
18. 09:18 PM - Re: trimming for torque (HShack@aol.com)
19. 09:40 PM - Re: Suck You-In Message to Install Trojan (Denny Rowe)
20. 09:57 PM - Re: Trimming for torque (Frank Reynen)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
John H. reported at 0500Z from Colville Village (east of Prudhoe Bay) :
Hi Bob:
I sent an email about Titan exhaust systems and the good luck I have had
with them to the Kolb List this morning.
Do not remember if it came through the List or not. Mind and memory
both slipping. hehehe
Jim's Super Cub is in maintenance in Fairbanks. He had a bird survey to
do, Snow Geese, here in the oil field. I
volunteered to fly him for three hours this afternoon, covering aprx'ly
250 miles of tundra and water on the coast
and a few miles inland. This left Jim free to do the photo taking and
counting without the added responsibility of
flying the airplane.
BTW: I flew it in T-shirt. However, out of the sun it got a little
cool, and out of the airplane in the 20 to 30 mph
wind, it got really cold.
Tonight for supper I had musk ox steak and caribou tenderloin. Both delicious.
What a terrific opportunity this has been to experience the lifestyle of
such wonderful people.
Take care,
john h
Colville Village, Alaska (population 2 + very large dog bn)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com 0.8 MANY_EXCLAMATIONS Subject
has many exclamations
Group
Searching around for fabric rivets; I notice that FPC corp(1
-800-860-3838) manufacturers an all aluminum rivet pn ADALF42 ,size:
1/8 with a grip range of .031 to ,125 with an .374 head. Looks to be
what I need. Anyone know where to buy this particular brand? I notice
that one of their retailers is True Value Hardware stores. Looking at a
store in Tenn; I notice that they do not seem to carry that particular
rivet. Herb
Interestingly, Aircraft Spruce does not carry them any more. I guess
that Kolb is the only plane that uses them and Jim and Dondi are the only
ready suppliers?
Also--Thanks to Ron Payne, I have solved my elevator problem. I
mounted both elevator pulleys in a bracket that I attached to the
aileron torque tube at the rear bolt which holds the universal joint.
This gave me fairly good symmetry such that the cables retain nearly the
same tension while the stick is moved from side to side. It also solves
the pulley/cable chaffing problem buy reducing the angle of the cable as
it enters the pulley. . All on my Firefly. Sn 032 with the new style
stick.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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| Subject: | More Paperwork/Registration |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hey Guys,
Today I paid the taxes ($647.47) and I paid the $25 dollars to get my
Registration Sticker (1yr).... That could be done locally.
Now I've sent the Registration papers and $5.00 to Oklahoma.
Some of this stuff has not been in the "Right Order" but , It's close enough...
After I get my next Order from Aircraft Spruce ( Stickers, Rear Seat Belt,
I D plate , passenger warning , "N" numbers ) I should be ready to set-up
a "Airworthy Inspection" ....I had to correct a few things that an EAA Tech
inspector found...
After this I'll have to "Spring" for a Transponder W/Blind encoder so I
can fly out of a local airport that the EAA guy told me about....
That'll STING ( $1,400 )
Then, I think It'll be insurance
I think I'll be lookin at the "40" after that...YIPPEEEEE!!!
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN FSII-N381PM
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My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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| Subject: | Re: trimming for torque |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll <muso2080@yahoo.com>
I'd like to get this straight on the torque. If the prop is turning clockwise
(looking forward from aft) as on my Mk2, then the airplane should have the tendency
to roll left.....is that correct? My airplane wants to roll left hands
off. There is also a tendency at cruise power for it to dive(without putting
in a pretty fair amount of elevator trim) I understand that as being the result
of the high thrust line of all Kolbs and it is easily overcome with the elevator
trim tab on my airplane. If I want to get rid of the left rolling tendency,
should I put the the permanent trim on the right aileron with the angle up
or on the left aileron with the angle down? Theoretically, it seems the result
would be the same.
Steve Kroll
Mk2-171
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
I got home today and found a copy of the DVD that Steve made of the X-Tra flying
with floats! Great stuff... I need to check with Steve first but if anyone wants
a copy go ahead and put your name in the hat. We have a DVD recorder and
can make copies. May charge a small fee to cover the S&H and the cost of the DVD
it's self. It is real neat to see a Kolb aircraft take off and retract the
gear!
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
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| Subject: | Re: trimming for torque |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
If it wants to roll left hands off, put a trim tab on the right aileron and
let the trim tab be deflected downward. The downward trim tab forces the
aileron upward, which forces the right wing downward. (Whew!)
Picture of an adjustable trim tab at
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg6.htm
If it dives at cruise power, adjust both ailerons so that the trailing
edges are about an inch higher, and see how that does. Then fine tune it
from there, adjusting the ailerons/flaps up or down produces good results
in making the airplane feel more nose or tail heavy.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 03:56 PM 7/26/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll <muso2080@yahoo.com>
>
>I'd like to get this straight on the torque. If the prop is turning
>clockwise (looking forward from aft) as on my Mk2, then the airplane
>should have the tendency to roll left.....is that correct? My airplane
>wants to roll left hands off. There is also a tendency at cruise power
>for it to dive(without putting in a pretty fair amount of elevator trim) I
>understand that as being the result of the high thrust line of all Kolbs
>and it is easily overcome with the elevator trim tab on my airplane. If I
>want to get rid of the left rolling tendency, should I put the the
>permanent trim on the right aileron with the angle up or on the left
>aileron with the angle down? Theoretically, it seems the result would be
>the same.
>
>Steve Kroll
>Mk2-171
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Suck You-In Message to Install Trojan |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Hey folks especially those weak in computer and internet savvy,
Today I received an email message with an attachment addressed to the email
address I use for participation on various the mail list which I belong.
The message was well written appearing as if originated from my internet
service provider (ISP) stating that my account had been used to sent a huge
amount of junk mail and suggested my computer was compromised and now runs
a Trojan proxy server. They cleverly try to get you to open the attachment
(letter.scr) which if actually run would install a Trojan on your
PC. Note, Norton Internet Security Anti-Virus detected the attachment as
containing a Trojan.
If you get messages of this nature and are not sure, contact your ISP
before running anything. Normally I wouldn't post this but it was so well
done it could very easily suck a person in to doing it.
jerb
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| Subject: | Re: Suck You-In Message to Install Trojan |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
I got the same message
Dale, do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "jerb" <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Suck You-In Message to Install Trojan
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>
> Hey folks especially those weak in computer and internet savvy,
> Today I received an email message with an attachment addressed to the
email
> address I use for participation on various the mail list which I belong.
>
> The message was well written appearing as if originated from my internet
> service provider (ISP) stating that my account had been used to sent a
huge
> amount of junk mail and suggested my computer was compromised and now runs
> a Trojan proxy server. They cleverly try to get you to open the
attachment
> (letter.scr) which if actually run would install a Trojan on your
> PC. Note, Norton Internet Security Anti-Virus detected the attachment as
> containing a Trojan.
>
> If you get messages of this nature and are not sure, contact your ISP
> before running anything. Normally I wouldn't post this but it was so
well
> done it could very easily suck a person in to doing it.
> jerb
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rivets! Rivets! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Are you sure Aircraft Spruce doesn't carry fabric rivets any more - In my
2001/2002 catalog there in the fabric section with rib stitching needles,
inspection hole rings and covers, etc. - look for rivets, fabric in the
index.
jerb
At 03:57 PM 7/26/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com 0.8
>MANY_EXCLAMATIONS Subject has many exclamations
>
>Group
> Searching around for fabric rivets; I notice that FPC corp(1
>-800-860-3838) manufacturers an all aluminum rivet pn ADALF42 ,size:
>1/8 with a grip range of .031 to ,125 with an .374 head. Looks to be
>what I need. Anyone know where to buy this particular brand? I notice
>that one of their retailers is True Value Hardware stores. Looking at a
>store in Tenn; I notice that they do not seem to carry that particular
>rivet. Herb
>
> Interestingly, Aircraft Spruce does not carry them any more. I guess
>that Kolb is the only plane that uses them and Jim and Dondi are the only
>ready suppliers?
>
> Also--Thanks to Ron Payne, I have solved my elevator problem. I
>mounted both elevator pulleys in a bracket that I attached to the
>aileron torque tube at the rear bolt which holds the universal joint.
>This gave me fairly good symmetry such that the cables retain nearly the
>same tension while the stick is moved from side to side. It also solves
>the pulley/cable chaffing problem buy reducing the angle of the cable as
>it enters the pulley. . All on my Firefly. Sn 032 with the new style
>stick.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Clayton <jspc78@yahoo.com>
Looks like it's about time I put up a website. Will
do it.....soon. I just have to make the time ;-)
-Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf
Of Bob Dalton
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2004
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob Dalton"
<wiserguy@comcast.net>
Jim,
How about posting some pics of your build thus far!
Bob Dalton
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| Subject: | Re: the floats/ John H report |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: the floats/ John H report |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
Sorry, long day,
WE heard from John today, he is leaving Barrow, and headed for Deadhorse, if
he cant' make it that far he will stap at Helmerich.
Set up for the show is done and eveyone beat.
Homer saw the float setup today and was very pleased.
Sounds like the winter is closing in and John is heading home
steve b
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob Dalton" <wiserguy@comcast.net>
Paul,
Put me down for a copy of the DVD, let me know $$.
Bob Dalton
1239 Kelley Drive
Manteca, CA 95336
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: the floats
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
>
> Kolbers,
> I got home today and found a copy of the DVD that Steve made of the X-Tra
flying with floats! Great stuff... I need to check with Steve first but if
anyone wants a copy go ahead and put your name in the hat. We have a DVD
recorder and can make copies. May charge a small fee to cover the S&H and
the cost of the DVD it's self. It is real neat to see a Kolb aircraft take
off and retract the gear!
>
>
> Paul Petty
> Building Ms. Dixie
> Kolbra/912UL/Warp
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: trimming for torque |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
In a message dated 7/26/04 6:58:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
muso2080@yahoo.com writes:
> should I put the the permanent trim on the right aileron with the angle up
> or on the left aileron with the angle down?
Steve,
It doesn't matter which aileron you put the trim tab on. However, the angle
needs to be just the opposite from your explanation. To correct a left
turning tendancy, do this:
On the right aileron, bend the tab "Down". This will force the aileron up,
making the wing go down and the plane turn right.
On the left aileron, bend the tab "Up". This will force the aileron down,
making the wing go up and again, the plane turn right.
In case you need to trim the elevator, do this:
A tab bent "Down", will force the elevator up, which will cause the nose of
the plane to go Up.
A tab bent "Up", will force the elevator down, which will make the nose of
the plane go Down.
Rudder Trim, as viewed from the rear of the plane:
Bend the tab to the Left, the rudder is forced to the right.
Bend the tab to the right, the rudder is forced to the left.
Bill Varnes
Original FireStar
Audubon, NJ
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| Subject: | Re: Rivets! Rivets! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
Don't see them. Page 96,97 and 98. Latest catalog. They carried them
several years ago. Herb
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:13:43 -0500 jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net> writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>
> Are you sure Aircraft Spruce doesn't carry fabric rivets any more -
> In my
> 2001/2002 catalog there in the fabric section with rib stitching
> needles,
> inspection hole rings and covers, etc. - look for rivets, fabric in
> the
> index.
> jerb
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Frank Reynen" <frank_reynen@ix.netcom.com>
> It is real neat to see a Kolb aircraft take
> off and retract the gear!
> >
> > Paul Petty
> > Building Ms. Dixie
> > Kolbra/912UL/Warp
I agree Paul! Its a blast.
I have been doing this for the last 13 years on my MKIII equipped with
amphib Lotus floats.
Frank Reynen @829hrs in MKIII ser#022
www.webcom.com/reynen
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: trimming for torque |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 7/26/2004 10:51:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com writes:
On the right aileron, bend the tab "Down". This will force the aileron up,
making the wing go down and the plane turn right.
On the left aileron, bend the tab "Up". This will force the aileron down,
making the wing go up and again, the plane turn right.
IMHO, put it on the right aileron. If you put it on the left one, the tab is
in turbulent "dirty" air & will be less effective. We did this mod. on a FS
II & it worked great.
Reflexing the ailerons up a little works great to stop a the nose from
dropping.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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| Subject: | Re: Suck You-In Message to Install Trojan |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
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Thanks Jerb, I got the same message you got and was wondering if I did the
right thing by deleting it.
You put my mind at ease.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA
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| Subject: | Re: Trimming for torque |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Frank Reynen" <frank_reynen@ix.netcom.com>
Duane,
My MKIII/912 with 72" 3-blade IVO also needs slight left pressure on the
stick just like yours when flying solo and a lot of left pressure with pass.
I also use a bungy to correct for this.
Frank Reynen
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> Thanks to Eric and Boyd for their responses on this subject,
>
> First, I need to clarify my description of the problem. I had to push the
control stick to the RIGHT. I should have said that I had to apply pressure
to the left side of the stick in my first post. From what I have learned so
far this sounds like a fairly common problem with 912 powered Mk3s. I think
the John Hauck's bungy-to-the-right sounds like a proven and easy solution
for my first try. I'll report the results after next test flight.
>
> Duane the plane, Tallahassee, FL, Mk3/912
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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