---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/01/04: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:40 AM - interference (robert bean) 2. 06:01 AM - Re: interference (Denny Rowe) 3. 06:15 AM - Re: interference (Richard Pike) 4. 06:53 AM - Powerfin Pitch Setting (Terry Davis) 5. 08:40 AM - Fuel ,Quick-Disconnects (Mike Pierzina) 6. 10:03 AM - Re: Rivets! Rivets! (jerb) 7. 10:17 AM - Re: [ Mike Pierzina ] : New Email List Photo Share (jerb) 8. 10:25 AM - Loose fitting (Terry) 9. 10:34 AM - Re: Fuel ,Quick-Disconnects (Robert Laird) 10. 10:54 AM - Re: Powerfin Pitch Setting (Laser Method) (dama) 11. 11:00 AM - Re: Powerfin Pitch Setting (Richard Pike) 12. 11:06 AM - Re: interference (robert bean) 13. 12:23 PM - ultrastar documentation (garvelink) 14. 12:24 PM - Re: Powerfin Pitch Setting (Laser Method) (Larry Bourne) 15. 01:43 PM - Re: Log books (Mike Pierzina) 16. 02:01 PM - Re: Quick disconnects (Mike Pierzina) 17. 04:56 PM - Re: Re: Log books (jerb) 18. 05:05 PM - Re: Fuel ,Quick-Disconnects (jerb) 19. 05:25 PM - Re: Powerfin Pitch Setting (jerb) 20. 05:39 PM - FireFly Parts for Sale (jerb) 21. 06:52 PM - Re: Rivets! Rivets! (herbgh@juno.com) 22. 07:01 PM - Re: Powerfin Pitch Setting (James and Cathy Tripp) 23. 07:36 PM - Re: Rivets! Rivets! (Richard Pike) 24. 08:36 PM - Nice Quick Disconnects (Mike Pierzina) 25. 09:03 PM - Re: Re: Quick disconnects (Robert Laird) 26. 11:51 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:13 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: interference --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean Here's a question directed at mkIII classic owners who still have the original center stick setup. After modifying mine last week to have a more comfortable grip location, I started wondering about the point where the control stick whacks the throttle. The plans call for 35 deg up and down motion. Mine does that, if you don't consider the throttle....but at the point of conflict there are only a few degrees of up. -It's enough to fly but I don't like it. What I need are reports back on where you others have yours set up-- how many degrees up at the bump point? I'm at the point where I'm considering welding up a whole new control stick to eliminate this situation altogether. -Thanks, BB do archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:26 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: interference --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" > whacks the throttle. The plans call for 35 deg up and down motion. > Mine does that, if you don't consider the throttle....but at the point > of conflict > there are only a few degrees of up. -It's enough to fly but I don't > like it. > What I need are reports back on where you others have yours set up-- > how many degrees up at the bump point? Thanks, BB do archive Bob, I have the old Kolb center stick and center throttle set up on my Mk-3, and my only change was to lower the knob on the throttle as much as possible by cutting some of the threaded end off the throttle lever and screwing the knob down all the way without the lock nut I think. This gave me more back stick before it hits the throttle. The next time I get out to the airport I'll try to check the elevator up deflection at the interferance point and report back. Take Care, Denny Rowe ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:17 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: interference --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Why not move the throttle quadrant over to the left cockpit wall? That solves several problems at once. CPS, Aircraft Spruce, Wicks all sell neat little throttle quadrants for under $60. Then you will no longer need to reach across yourself to work the throttle. And the passenger doesn't need to reach it anyway. My throttle has been there since 96 and it is very convenient. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 08:39 AM 8/1/2004 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean > >Here's a question directed at mkIII classic owners who still have the >original >center stick setup. After modifying mine last week to have a more >comfortable >grip location, I started wondering about the point where the control >stick >whacks the throttle. The plans call for 35 deg up and down motion. >Mine does that, if you don't consider the throttle....but at the point >of conflict >there are only a few degrees of up. -It's enough to fly but I don't >like it. >What I need are reports back on where you others have yours set up-- >how many degrees up at the bump point? >I'm at the point where I'm considering welding up a whole new control >stick >to eliminate this situation altogether. -Thanks, BB do archive > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:27 AM PST US From: "Terry Davis" Subject: Kolb-List: Powerfin Pitch Setting --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry Davis" Thanks to all who responded to my question about an initial pitch setting with a new 503. Like most guys I never read the instructions until I absolutely have to. I think I'll start with a .110 setting and see what that gives. Sure is nice to have someone to ask who has already done some of this stuff. Thanks guys. In regard to prop extensions/spacers, is it really worth doing? The prop is pretty close to the aileron tube, might be nice to get it a little further away. Terry Davis, FS2, Eastern Oregon DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:09 AM PST US From: "Mike Pierzina" Subject: Kolb-List: Fuel ,Quick-Disconnects --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" I think I'm talkin to myself on this list lately... Anyway, Self...There I was...I started my engine yesterday with a few new things that had been changed or added. My new fuel flow (miZer) was working good, but sometimes it would read 25gph...??? (Jack???) This morning I was in the garage putting stickers and warnings on,when I noticed the fuel was only pulled from "one" tank...It worked fine before I put on the "quick disconnects". So I pushed the button to disconnect it and the guts FLEW out....I bought them from Aircraft Spruce(I'm sure they'll take them back) for $16. ea , I was a little disapointed when I got them and finding out they were made from plastic. For 16 bucks I was expecting alittle better quality... It's back to the original plumbing now, If I need to pull a tank I'll just fight with the barbed fittings. Fine tuning my IVO prop yesterday, I got it to hit 6100 rpm , So I set the Jam Nut alittle extra snug....Ooops , Stripped the aluminum plate. Gotta repair, Mike in MN My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... Gotta Fly... -- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:35 AM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rivets! Rivets! --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Herb, How did you come out on your fabric rivets? You sounded like you wanted to buy them from Aircraft Spruce but I would think they would cost more from them than from Jim & Dondi - we need to keep them in business after without orders coming in they wouldn't be around long for us to consult regarding covering and painting issues. jerb At 03:57 PM 7/26/04 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com 0.8 >MANY_EXCLAMATIONS Subject has many exclamations > >Group > Searching around for fabric rivets; I notice that FPC corp(1 >-800-860-3838) manufacturers an all aluminum rivet pn ADALF42 ,size: >1/8 with a grip range of .031 to ,125 with an .374 head. Looks to be >what I need. Anyone know where to buy this particular brand? I notice >that one of their retailers is True Value Hardware stores. Looking at a >store in Tenn; I notice that they do not seem to carry that particular >rivet. Herb > > Interestingly, Aircraft Spruce does not carry them any more. I guess >that Kolb is the only plane that uses them and Jim and Dondi are the only >ready suppliers? > > Also--Thanks to Ron Payne, I have solved my elevator problem. I >mounted both elevator pulleys in a bracket that I attached to the >aileron torque tube at the rear bolt which holds the universal joint. >This gave me fairly good symmetry such that the cables retain nearly the >same tension while the stick is moved from side to side. It also solves >the pulley/cable chaffing problem buy reducing the angle of the cable as >it enters the pulley. . All on my Firefly. Sn 032 with the new style >stick. > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:49 AM PST US From: jerb Available! Subject: Re: Kolb-List: [ Mike Pierzina ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Available! If you intend to N number your you should separate your airframe and engine logs as the airframe log stays with the airframe and the engine log would go with the engine if it is removed. This is the normal procedure with GA aircraft and will carry over to the Light Sport category aircraft. The same thing was highlighted at last years USUA meeting held at Sun & Fun. jerb At 07:35 PM 7/29/04 -0700, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares > > > >A new Email List Photo Share is available: > > Poster: Mike Pierzina > > > Subject: Customized Logbook > > >http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/planecrazzzy@lycos.com.07.29.2004/index.html > > > o Main Photo Share Index > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > o Submitting a Photo Share > > If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the > following information along with your email message and files: > > 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: > 2) Your Full Name: > 3) Your Email Address: > 4) One line Subject description: > 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: > 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: > > Email the information above and your files and photos to: > > pictures@matronics.com > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:25:41 AM PST US From: Terry Subject: Kolb-List: Loose fitting --> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry Jack, I was really surprised at your last message about the swivel joint on your wings being loose enough to move an 1/8". I know your FireFly is an early one, but it's hard to believe they changed the hardware after starting production. Mine is number 95 and there isn't any play in the joint. I have it adjusted so that it is firm put still allows me to pivot for folding. There isn't any movement at all in any position. Just a thought, but do you think maybe they sent the wrong swivel joint for your plane. Don't know if there is a difference between models or not. That's a lot of work you went to, to fix what isn't even a problem for me and I haven't heard others commenting about. Might be interesting to be able to get a new swivel and compare it to your old one. Then again, maybe I'm misreading what the problem is! Terry - FireFly #95 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:34:52 AM PST US From: Robert Laird Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel ,Quick-Disconnects --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird > > This morning I was in the garage putting stickers and warnings > on,when I noticed the fuel was only pulled from "one" tank...It worked > fine before I put on the "quick disconnects". So I pushed the button to > disconnect it and the guts FLEW out Those little suckers are great once they are in place, but to remove and replace them, I've found them to be quite fragile. I learned not to touch them unless absolutely necessary. And, yes, I know, that seems to contradict their purpose, but you can't argue with experience! -- R ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:45 AM PST US From: "dama" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Powerfin Pitch Setting (Laser Method) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" I felt that the "feeler" method of pitching was a bit primitive so I incorporated a laser pointer to get the blades exactly at the same pitch. Here is my method if you are interested.... I found a $16.00 laser pointer at Office Depot that has a flat side to it that will help if you can find that particular model. Using this method, the objective will be to get all blades of the propeller blade at exactly the same pitch relative to each other. The result will likely be much more precise than the manufacturers methods. The overall pitch in terms of performance still has to be determined by trial and error static run-ups though. This method helps that process too. 1) chock your plane securely in a hangar (you will need a wall shortly) 2) pitch one blade per the manufacturers spec (protractor Warp, feelers Powerfin ect). Consider this a reference starting point. 3) Now you want to find a "relative level" position for the blades. Rotate the reference blade to where it is approximately level. Take the laser pointer and set it on top of a blade near the hub pointing outward. This will leave a laser dot on the wall. Move the pointer fore and aft to effectively make a horizontal line on the wall. Have a helper put a piece of tape on that line to make a permanent reference. Now, if you bring the next blade around and put the pointer in the same spot on that blade, you are able to place that blade in the same position by using the laser dot and the line on the wall. 4) Now its time to pitch. With the original reference blade in the "level" position put the pointer out on the tip of the prop, flat against non-curved side of the blade, pointing down. Now, pivot the pointer side to side to draw a line on the floor. Have your helper tape that line also. This is your pitch reference line. Now bring the next blade around, level it, and place the pointer at the same position on the tip. The dot on the floor will show any pitch difference if it does not fall on the line. Here you can adjust the blade to where the dot falls on the line. 5) Repeat process with remaining blades. This method is fast and easy once you do it a couple of times. The accuracy is as tight as you want it to be by increasing the distances that the laser is pointing. If you need to re-pitch, Keep the aft chocks in place and roll the plane back in the hangar and use the same reference lines previously taped.... Good luck, Kip http://www.springeraviation.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Davis" Subject: Kolb-List: Powerfin Pitch Setting > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry Davis" > > Thanks to all who responded to my question about an initial pitch setting with a new 503. Like most guys I never read the instructions until I absolutely have to. I think I'll start with a .110 setting and see what that gives. Sure is nice to have someone to ask who has already done some of this stuff. Thanks guys. > > In regard to prop extensions/spacers, is it really worth doing? The prop is pretty close to the aileron tube, might be nice to get it a little further away. > > Terry Davis, FS2, Eastern Oregon > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:13 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Powerfin Pitch Setting --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike The further the prop is from the trailing edge, the quieter it will be. Airflow coming across the wing or any surface upstream of the prop generates specific turbulence patterns that are "chopped" by the prop as it passes through them, The further you get the prop from those surfaces, the quieter things become. Of course, if the prop actually touches the aileron tubes, then things get really noisy, but only for a short time... Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 06:53 AM 8/1/2004 -0700, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry Davis" > > >In regard to prop extensions/spacers, is it really worth doing? The prop >is pretty close to the aileron tube, might be nice to get it a little >further away. > >Terry Davis, FS2, Eastern Oregon >DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:14 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: interference --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean OK, here's the numbers, 22 degrees full down, 33 degrees full up, 9 degrees up when bumping the knob. -The first easy cure, adjusting the link rod isn't available because it's already screwed to the shortest setting. I don't want to shorten the throttle lever itself because I use it also to actuate my brakes. Two bolts off and the stick will be on my bench, hacksaw a separation just above the hinge joint, weld in about 1-1/2" extension. This approach should also retain the use of the recent grip mod. I had long ago considered moving the throttle to the left but being accustomed to an old side-by-side taildragger with center throttle, decided to stick with that. My old plane was green, slow, and had the same N-number, N3851E. I should feel right at home. -BB On Aug 1, 2004, at 8:39 AM, robert bean wrote: > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:23:46 PM PST US From: "garvelink" Subject: Kolb-List: ultrastar documentation --> Kolb-List message posted by: "garvelink" looking for a manual anyone know of a manual that is for sale? Steve Garvelink ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:24:16 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Powerfin Pitch Setting (Laser Method) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" That sounds simple and effective - much easier (and probably more accurate) than the mirror/laser method I put on my website. Thanks. Re-educated Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "dama" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Powerfin Pitch Setting (Laser Method) > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" > > I felt that the "feeler" method of pitching was a bit primitive so I > incorporated a laser pointer to get the blades exactly at the same pitch. > Here is my method if you are interested.... > > I found a $16.00 laser pointer at Office Depot that has a flat side to it > that will help if you can find that particular model. Using this method, the > objective will be to get all blades of the propeller blade at exactly the > same pitch relative to each other. The result will likely be much more > precise than the manufacturers methods. The overall pitch in terms of ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:17 PM PST US From: "Mike Pierzina" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Log books --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" Hi Jerb, I didn't really think about that...The logs can be cut where they hinge inside the book...I'll ask the inspector if that would be OK... Thanks, Gotta Fly... Mike in MN Do not archive SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you intend to N number your you should separate your airframe and engine logs as the airframe log stays with the airframe and the engine log would go with the engine if it is removed. This is the normal procedure with GA aircraft and will carry over to the Light Sport category aircraft. The same thing was highlighted at last years USUA meeting held at Sun & Fun. jerb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... Gotta Fly... -- ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:01:36 PM PST US From: "Mike Pierzina" Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Quick disconnects --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" Hi Robert, The reason I separated the quick disconnect was because it wasn't working...the fuel was only pulling from "one" tank... When I pushed the button to separate them, that's when the guts flew out... I'm going to return them because I don't want it to SUPRISE me down the road (SKY?) like running out of fuel with 5 gals left... Think about it, what good is a Quick disconnect if you better not disconnect it... especialy at $16 ea...I have two sets, I had planned to buy two more (vents)...not any more! Gotta Fly... Mike in MN Oh yeah, did I mention my plane is in Sept issue of KITPLANES Do not archive SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those little suckers are great once they are in place, but to remove and replace them, I've found them to be quite fragile. I learned not to touch them unless absolutely necessary. And, yes, I know, that seems to contradict their purpose, but you can't argue with experience! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... Gotta Fly... -- ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:25 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Log books --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb I would recommend the use of a normal aircraft log books (engine/airframe) for both> In my own opinion it would make your plane more valuable resale market if the time comes as it is more easy to alter or make deletions in the form it appears your doing. Sporty's sells them, I think Aircraft Spruce does also. Welcome to the industry. Your plane looks good. jerb At 03:42 PM 8/1/04 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" > >Hi Jerb, > I didn't really think about that...The logs can be cut where they > hinge inside the book...I'll ask the inspector if that would be OK... > Thanks, > Gotta Fly... > Mike in MN > >Do not archive > > >SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >If you intend to N number your you should separate your airframe and engine >logs as the airframe log stays with the airframe and the engine log would >go with the engine if it is removed. This is the normal procedure with GA >aircraft and will carry over to the Light Sport category aircraft. The >same thing was highlighted at last years USUA meeting held at Sun & Fun. >jerb > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >My Web Site: >http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html > > >Sometimes you just have to take the leap >and build your wings on the way down... > Gotta Fly... > > >-- > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:40 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel ,Quick-Disconnects --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Mike, What are you using for quick disconnects - is there intended use for air or fuel? Sky Sports used to sell some that are ok for fuel use, they had plastic units and they had metal units. Like yours, they were not cheap but did work. Hope their not the same ones. A link to their web site follows below: jerb http://www.airstuff.com/index.html https://www.ismi.com/airstuff/category.cfm?categoryid=273 At 10:39 AM 8/1/04 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" > > I think I'm talkin to myself on this list lately... > > Anyway, Self...There I was...I started my engine yesterday with a > few new things that had been changed or added. My new fuel flow (miZer) > was working good, but sometimes it would read 25gph...??? (Jack???) > > This morning I was in the garage putting stickers and warnings > on,when I noticed the fuel was only pulled from "one" tank...It worked > fine before I put on the "quick disconnects". So I pushed the button to > disconnect it and the guts FLEW out....I bought them from Aircraft > Spruce(I'm sure they'll take them back) for $16. ea , I was a little > disapointed when I got them and finding out they were made from plastic. > For 16 bucks I was expecting alittle better quality... > > It's back to the original plumbing now, If I need to pull a tank I'll > just fight with the barbed fittings. > > Fine tuning my IVO prop yesterday, I got it to hit 6100 rpm , So I > set the Jam Nut alittle extra snug....Ooops , Stripped the aluminum plate. > > Gotta repair, > Mike in MN > >My Web Site: >http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html > > >Sometimes you just have to take the leap >and build your wings on the way down... > Gotta Fly... > > >-- > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:40 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Powerfin Pitch Setting --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb What does Kolb recommend for your aircraft model, engine, and prop combination, i.e., the distance between the trailing edge of the ailerons and tips of the prop. I know the IVO blades tend to flex that has taken into consideration - Kolb had a distance recommendation when using the IVO, not sure about the wood or Powerfin props. I would follow their lead. Also according to Dennis when I purchased my FireFly, using the recommended spacer produced a side benefit of a reduction in the prop generated noise level but then there is a optimum limit to every thing as other factors of stress and vibration from run out start ramping up on the gear box as you increase the distance. jerb At 08:06 AM 7/30/04 -0700, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry Davis" > >Just got my Powerfin prop, a 60 inch 3 blade, and I need to set it up to >do the break-in on a squeakey new 503 DCDI w/ 2.58 B box. Can anybody out >there tell me what pitch angle or feeler guage thickness you used to get >the static RPM right on yours. It would sure be nice to get the pitch >close to start with. Also, did you use a spacer and if so how >thick? Thanks. >Terry Davis, FS 2, Eastern Oregon > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:17 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Kolb-List: FireFly Parts for Sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Folks, I have an extra FireFly (single) gear leg and nose cone for sale. These are new, unused. FireFly Gear Leg (1): $60 FireFly Nose Cone: $150 Shipping Additional from 75023. Email me direct if interested or have any questions. Thanks jerb mailto:ulflyer@verizon.net ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rivets! Rivets! From: herbgh@juno.com --> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com Jerb Looks like I will have to uncover both wings on the Firefly that I traded for. Neither root rib has been primered! So --an order to Jim and Dondi is in order. Rivets,tapes and maybe a few yards of fabric. Herb Do not archive > = > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:49 PM PST US From: "James and Cathy Tripp" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Powerfin Pitch Setting --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp" Terry, I don't use an extension on my Powerfin and I don't think Kip uses one on his either. It might be nice to have one for noise reduction but that's an expense that can wait a while longer. The Powerfin prop is a lot stiffer than the Ivo so there's not much chance of it contacting the aileron tube. I think the Ivos come with an extension because of the flex but I could be wrong. James Tripp, FSII ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Davis" Subject: Kolb-List: Powerfin Pitch Setting > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry Davis" > > Thanks to all who responded to my question about an initial pitch setting with a new 503. Like most guys I never read the instructions until I absolutely have to. I think I'll start with a .110 setting and see what that gives. Sure is nice to have someone to ask who has already done some of this stuff. Thanks guys. > > In regard to prop extensions/spacers, is it really worth doing? The prop is pretty close to the aileron tube, might be nice to get it a little further away. > > Terry Davis, FS2, Eastern Oregon > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:24 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rivets! Rivets! --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike I would go slow on uncovering the whole wing. The FSII we are redoing had some rust on the root ribs (cat pee is an evil thing) but all we did was cut the fabric back far enough to completely expose the rusted part of the root rib, repair and recover just that area. If you chose to recover out to just the first aluminum rib, it would be almost undetectable and a lot easier than redoing the whole wing. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 08:50 PM 8/1/2004 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com > >Jerb > Looks like I will have to uncover both wings on the Firefly that I >traded for. Neither root rib has been primered! So --an order to Jim >and Dondi is in order. Rivets,tapes and maybe a few yards of fabric. >Herb > > Do not archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:46 PM PST US From: "Mike Pierzina" Subject: Kolb-List: Nice Quick Disconnects --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" Thanks Jerb, I was giving up on the Quick disconnects until I saw the page that you sent : https://www.ismi.com/airstuff/category.cfm?categoryid=273 That looks like a good , Quality part...When I bought the other ones from Aircraft Spruce , I couldn't tell that they were plastic and I didn't think they would be.... I'm gonna talk to them tomorrow about sending their plastic ones back...and then I'm gonna order two sets of those brass ones... Gotta Fly... Mike in MN , Wrapping up paperwork... Still have to buy and install a Transponder w/encoder before airworthiness Inspection (because my airport's in class"B") do not archive My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... Gotta Fly... -- ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:16 PM PST US From: Robert Laird Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Quick disconnects --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird At 04:01 PM 8/1/2004, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" > >Hi Robert, > The reason I separated the quick disconnect was because it > wasn't working...the fuel was only pulling from "one" tank... > When I pushed the button to separate them, that's when the guts flew > out... I'm going to return them because I don't want it to SUPRISE me > down the road (SKY?) like running out of fuel with 5 gals left... > > Think about it, what good is a Quick disconnect if you better > not disconnect it... especialy at $16 ea...I have two sets, I had planned > to buy two more (vents)...not any more! > > Gotta Fly... > Mike in MN > > Oh yeah, did I mention my plane is in Sept issue of KITPLANES Only 4 or 5 times! :-) Cool looking flying carpet ya got there! Wish I had one just like it! My experience with the quick disconnects was that when I put them together, they worked. But when I started fooling with them, they often got messed up in one way or another. So, I ended up keeping them in place, but I only rarely disconnected them... and when I did, I was VERY careful. I, too, was disappointed in their lack of robustness... quite contrary to how you'd think they'd be. -- R ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:51:20 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kolb-List: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] DNA: do not archive --> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Lister, Please read over the Kolb-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Kolb-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Kolb-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. 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