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1. 05:28 AM - Firefly update (Guy Morgan)
2. 05:40 AM - Broken VW Powered MKIIIc (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
3. 05:57 AM - Re: Dave's Lindy (N27SB@aol.com)
4. 06:03 AM - Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc (Richard Pike)
5. 06:17 AM - Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc (Giovanni Day)
6. 06:30 AM - Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc (N27SB@aol.com)
7. 06:50 AM - center stick interference (boyd young)
8. 08:02 AM - Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc (Larry Bourne)
9. 08:16 AM - Re: Rivets! Rivets! (herbgh@juno.com)
10. 08:27 AM - Wheels (herbgh@juno.com)
11. 08:33 AM - Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc (Kirk Smith)
12. 09:17 AM - First flight!!!!! (Guy Morgan)
13. 09:26 AM - Re: Wheels (Guy Morgan)
14. 09:58 AM - Re: First flight!!!!! (robert bean)
15. 10:06 AM - Re: First flight!!!!! (Kirk Smith)
16. 10:07 AM - Re: First flight!!!!! (Larry Bourne)
17. 10:09 AM - Re: Wheels (herbgh@juno.com)
18. 10:25 AM - Re: First flight!!!!! (Giovanni Day)
19. 11:19 AM - High EGT's (kkorenek@comcast.net)
20. 11:19 AM - High EGT's (kkorenek@comcast.net)
21. 11:35 AM - Re: First flight!!!!! (ul15rhb@juno.com)
22. 11:45 AM - Re: First flight!!!!! (Richard Pike)
23. 02:06 PM - Re: First flight!!!!! (Jim Ballenger)
24. 02:07 PM - Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc (Don Gherardini)
25. 02:14 PM - Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
26. 02:39 PM - Re: interference (KolbDriver)
27. 06:01 PM - control stick (robert bean)
28. 07:00 PM - Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc (Richard Pike)
29. 07:14 PM - Congratulations! (Terry)
30. 07:47 PM - The Dallas Jabi is ali e!!! (woody)
31. 07:58 PM - Re: The Dallas Jabi is ali e!!! (Fackler, Ken)
32. 09:14 PM - Oshkosh 2004 (John Williamson)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
Mornin' Kolbers,
Sorry I haven't been in contact lately. I've been in Louisianna for most of the
last two months fixin broke helicopters. Anyway, I finally got the new 600x6
tires mounted and MAN, what a difference! Anybody who's running the 400x6 on a
Firefly should get rid of them and go up in size. It tracks 1000x better. I have
no problem holding a line, tail up or down. With the 400x6 tires it was darn
near dangerous on pavement.I would've flown it this morning, but there was
some weather moving in and I didn't want to get caught in the wind on my first
flight. I'll try again every day before work. Hopefully my next post will be
about my first flight in the Fly. Oh yeah, jerb what are you doing selling Firefly
parts? Were you holding out on me? I'll probably take you up on that gear
leg if you haven't sold it yet. Talk to yall later.
Guy Morgan (FlyGuy, Galveston, TX)
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| Subject: | Broken VW Powered MKIIIc |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
I got 10 miles from home last night from Oshkosh and had to do a forced
landing. It looks like the reduction drive adapter broke causing the drive
belts to fall off. In the confusion of trying to regain thrust I think I
overreved the motor. The landing was uneventful. I will send a photo. I
landed in a bean field then rolled up on to a lawn within 100 ft of a
intersection with road signs. We had just talked about this at Oshkosh. I
used flaps to make the field then put them up for landing. I planted the
tail wheel and it stayed down through roll out. Nothing but the engine,
redrive, and my pride is broken.
Going to retrieve the plane this morning.
Rick Neilsen
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's Lindy |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
A big round of applause goes to Dave Willingham for hisFirestar. He won a
Silver Lindy, a Reserve Grand Champion at last nights awards at Airventure 2004.
CONGRATS DAVE,
Steve Boetto
N272SB
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| Subject: | Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Good handling of the situation. What brand of reduction drive was it?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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At 08:36 AM 8/2/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen"
><NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
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>I got 10 miles from home last night from Oshkosh and had to do a forced
>landing. It looks like the reduction drive adapter broke causing the drive
>belts to fall off. In the confusion of trying to regain thrust I think I
>overreved the motor. The landing was uneventful. I will send a photo. I
>landed in a bean field then rolled up on to a lawn within 100 ft of a
>intersection with road signs. We had just talked about this at Oshkosh. I
>used flaps to make the field then put them up for landing. I planted the
>tail wheel and it stayed down through roll out. Nothing but the engine,
>redrive, and my pride is broken.
>
>Going to retrieve the plane this morning.
>
>Rick Neilsen
>
>
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| Subject: | Broken VW Powered MKIIIc |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Rick,
Just wondering how tall the beans were? I have always been very afraid
of the beans flipping me over if I ever had to land in them. Thanks
Giovanni Day
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard &
Martha Neilsen
Subject: Kolb-List: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen"
--> <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
I got 10 miles from home last night from Oshkosh and had to do a forced
landing. It looks like the reduction drive adapter broke causing the
drive belts to fall off. In the confusion of trying to regain thrust I
think I overreved the motor. The landing was uneventful. I will send a
photo. I landed in a bean field then rolled up on to a lawn within 100
ft of a intersection with road signs. We had just talked about this at
Oshkosh. I used flaps to make the field then put them up for landing. I
planted the tail wheel and it stayed down through roll out. Nothing but
the engine, redrive, and my pride is broken.
Going to retrieve the plane this morning.
Rick Neilsen
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| Subject: | Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
Were the beans ready to pick?
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steve
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<slyck@frontiernet.net>
| Subject: | center stick interference |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
<<<<<
Here's a question directed at mkIII classic owners who still have the
original
center stick setup. After modifying mine last week to have a more
comfortable
>>>>
what i have done is to shorten the throttle lever aprox, 2 inches or so.... in
over 250 hours i have had no problems. on cross country trips i am thinking
that a dual stick would be good... that way you could easily switch hands.
boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I'm glad everything worked out OK for you, Rick. How many hours are on your
redrive ?? Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen"
<NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
>
> I got 10 miles from home last night from Oshkosh and had to do a forced
> landing. It looks like the reduction drive adapter broke causing the drive
> belts to fall off. In the confusion of trying to regain thrust I think I
> overreved the motor. The landing was uneventful. I will send a photo. I
> landed in a bean field then rolled up on to a lawn within 100 ft of a
> intersection with road signs. We had just talked about this at Oshkosh. I
> used flaps to make the field then put them up for landing. I planted the
> tail wheel and it stayed down through roll out. Nothing but the engine,
> redrive, and my pride is broken.
>
> Going to retrieve the plane this morning.
>
> Rick Neilsen
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rivets! Rivets! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
Richard
Primed is the word?:-)
I do not like the covering job anyway. Couple of days and I will have
it covered and brushed again. The only supply that I do not have are
rivets and some extra tape. Herb
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On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 22:36:12 -0400 Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> I would go slow on uncovering the whole wing. The FSII we are
> redoing had
> some rust on the root ribs (cat pee is an evil thing) but all we did
> was
> cut the fabric back far enough to completely expose the rusted part
> of the
> root rib, repair and recover just that area. If you chose to recover
> out to
> just the first aluminum rib, it would be almost undetectable and a
> lot
> easier than redoing the whole wing.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
Fireflyers
I missed a post from someone who had gone to 6 inch wheels on their
Fly. What size? Width, height etc. Herb in Ky who is going backwards
with the buiilding process.
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| Subject: | Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
There wasn't that many hours on that redrive either. Bummer!
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| Subject: | First flight!!!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
I did it! The thunder clouds moved on and there was only a 4mph wind so I went
for it. Took off and flew down the beach for a bit till I stopped shakin then
headed back for the field. I greased my first landing and stopped to put on some
fuel 'cause I spent about 10 minutes idling/taxiing beforehand getting up my
nerve. Got some gas and went out again for a little longer. Was a little bumpy
the second time and the landing was a little rougher. The Fly handles like
a dream and wants to bust Vne constantly. Cruises 70 mph at about 5400rpm. I do
have one problem that concerns me, though. I can't stay in the 4400-4900 rpm
range for more than a few seconds and the EIS light starts flashing at me. My
EGT climbs rapidly in that range, which unfortunately is the range I'd like to
be in to carry power into my landing. What can I do to fix it? I better get
home. The Mrs. is already starting to say I spend too much time with my new mistress.
I wil
l be workin on my honey-do list with a grin on my face, though. Later.
Guy Morgan
Galveston, TX Firefly driver
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
Hey Herb, that was me. I have 6in wheels on my Fly, but they had 400x6 tires on
them. I went up to the 600x6 tires and it made a world of difference. I got em
from Aircraft Spruce under the Ultralight Tires section. With the 400x6's on
there, as soon as you made any power change, she wanted to veer off one way or
the other, and she wanted to do it NOW. That made me more than a little nervous
about flying and landingher, as I have no taildragger time. With the 600x6's
that problem is all but gone. It doesn't actmuch differenttaxiing, or landing,than
the Challenger II thatI took my lessons in or the Sprint MXII I rented
a few time. It's alot different in the air though (in a good way), but that has
nothing to do with the tires, and everything to do with it being an awesome
aircraft.
Guy Morgan
Galveston, TX Firefly driver
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| Subject: | Re: First flight!!!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
-first flight and down the beach no less. -at which point the world's
troubles disappear.
congratulations. -BB
On Aug 2, 2004, at 12:17 PM, Guy Morgan wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
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> I did it!
> Galveston, TX Firefly driver
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| Subject: | Re: First flight!!!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
.4400-4900 rpm range......... My EGT climbs rapidly in that
range,............ . What can I do to fix it?
Nothin! It's a two stroke and it's gonna run lean in that range. Usually
where they sieze up.
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| Subject: | Re: First flight!!!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Congratulations, Guy. You worked for that. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: First flight!!!!!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
>
>
> I did it! The thunder clouds moved on and there was only a 4mph wind so I
went for it. Took off and flew down the beach for a bit till I stopped
shakin then headed back for the field. I greased my first landing and
stopped to put on some fuel 'cause I spent about 10 minutes idling/taxiing
beforehand getting up my nerve. Got some gas and went out again for a little
longer. Was a little bumpy the second time and the landing was a little
rougher. The Fly handles like a dream and wants to bust Vne constantly.
Cruises 70 mph at about 5400rpm. I do have one problem that concerns me,
though. I can't stay in the 4400-4900 rpm range for more than a few seconds
and the EIS light starts flashing at me. My EGT climbs rapidly in that
range, which unfortunately is the range I'd like to be in to carry power
into my landing. What can I do to fix it? I better get home. The Mrs. is
already starting to say I spend too much time with my new mistress. I wil
> l be workin on my honey-do list with a grin on my face, though. Later.
>
>
> Guy Morgan
>
>
> Galveston, TX Firefly driver
>
>
> Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
Guy
Thanks. found them. Who's rims and brakes are you using? Herb
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 16:26:00 +0000 "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan"
> <morganguy@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Hey Herb, that was me. I have 6in wheels on my Fly, but they had
> 400x6 tires on them. I went up to the 600x6 tires and it made a
> world of difference. I got em from Aircraft Spruce under the
> Ultralight Tires section. With the 400x6's on there, as soon as you
> made any power change, she wanted to veer off one way or the other,
> and she wanted to do it NOW. That made me more than a little nervous
> about flying and landingher, as I have no taildragger time. With the
> 600x6's that problem is all but gone. It doesn't actmuch
> differenttaxiing, or landing,than the Challenger II thatI took my
> lessons in or the Sprint MXII I rented a few time. It's alot
> different in the air though (in a good way), but that has nothing to
> do with the tires, and everything to do with it being an awesome
> aircraft.
>
>
> Guy Morgan
>
>
> Galveston, TX Firefly driver
>
>
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| Subject: | First flight!!!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
What temp are the EGTs getting? You may need to raise the needle one
notch.
Giovanni
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Morgan
Subject: Kolb-List: First flight!!!!!
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
I did it! The thunder clouds moved on and there was only a 4mph wind so
I went for it. Took off and flew down the beach for a bit till I stopped
shakin then headed back for the field. I greased my first landing and
stopped to put on some fuel 'cause I spent about 10 minutes
idling/taxiing beforehand getting up my nerve. Got some gas and went out
again for a little longer. Was a little bumpy the second time and the
landing was a little rougher. The Fly handles like a dream and wants to
bust Vne constantly. Cruises 70 mph at about 5400rpm. I do have one
problem that concerns me, though. I can't stay in the 4400-4900 rpm
range for more than a few seconds and the EIS light starts flashing at
me. My EGT climbs rapidly in that range, which unfortunately is the
range I'd like to be in to carry power into my landing. What can I do to
fix it? I better get home. The Mrs. is already starting to say I spend
too much time with my new mistress. I wil l be workin on my honey-do
list with a grin on my face, though. Later.
Guy Morgan
Galveston, TX Firefly driver
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: kkorenek@comcast.net
Guy,
Before you go messing with changing the jets or changing the needle positions,
think about adding just a bit of pitch. Take a survey of temperatures vs RPM
from idle thru WOT (wide open throttle) and see where the temps fall. If you
are a bit high - but under 1200, at your desired rpm range, then just add a
little pitch. More pitch makes cruise MPH a bit higher and loads up the engine
which in turn lowers EGT. My Firestar EGT was a bit high, I raised the needle
to add richness and the EGT's went down. But, the fuel burn went way up!
I put the needle back in it's original position and added pitch. For me,
each degree of pitch lowered EGT by 75 degres and added 5 MPH and lowered fuel
burn a little. the only drawback is a little less climbout.
My FS was pitched for 6250 WOT climbout at 50 MPH and straight and level WOT was
just short of 6500 RPM and 85 MPH. The EGT's were 1100 range with 1150 MAX.
CHT ran 225 with 280 the highest I ever saw.
As I recall, Jerry Biddle had all the numbers in acceptable range while flying
around here, so I wouldn't try to make a drastic change all at once.
Oh, by the way, if you are at 240 pounds, then by all means, get the larger gear
legs. I'm at 250 and bent the lighter leg on my 3rd landing- wasn't all that
hard, either. I changed to the bigger legs and bent one of those, too.
My airframe started out as a FireStar 1 and I converted it to an FS II with a
503, and 7 rib wings. Anyway, I always landed with some power and smooth landings
were almost a given.
Good luck.
Ken
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> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan"
>
>
> I did it! The thunder clouds moved on and there was only a 4mph wind so I went
> for it. Took off and flew down the beach for a bit till I stopped shakin then
> headed back for the field. I greased my first landing and stopped to put on some
> fuel 'cause I spent about 10 minutes idling/taxiing beforehand getting up my
> nerve. Got some gas and went out again for a little longer. Was a little bumpy
> the second time and the landing was a little rougher. The Fly handles like a
> dream and wants to bust Vne constantly. Cruises 70 mph at about 5400rpm. I do
> have one problem that concerns me, though. I can't stay in the 4400-4900 rpm
> range for more than a few seconds and the EIS light starts flashing at me. My
> EGT climbs rapidly in that range, which unfortunately is the range I'd like to
> be in to carry power into my landing. What can I do to fix it? I better get
> home. The Mrs. is already starting to say I spend too much time with my new
> mistress. I wil
> l be workin on my honey-do list with a grin on my face, though. Later.
>
>
> Guy Morgan
>
>
> Galveston, TX Firefly driver
>
>
> Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
>
>
>
>
>
>
Guy,
Before you go messing with changing the jets or changing the needle positions,
think about adding just a bit of pitch. Take a survey of temperatures vs RPM from
idle thru WOT (wide open throttle) and see where the temps fall. If you are
a bit high - but under 1200, at your desired rpm range, then just add a little
pitch. More pitch makes cruise MPH a bit higher and loads up the engine which
in turn lowers EGT. My Firestar EGT was a bit high, I raised the needle to
add richness and the EGT's went down. But, the fuel burn went way up! I put the
needle back in it's original position and added pitch. For me, each degree of
pitch lowered EGT by 75 degres and added 5 MPH and lowered fuel burn a little.
the only drawback is a little less climbout.
My FS was pitched for 6250 WOT climbout at 50 MPH and straight and level WOT was
just short of 6500 RPM and 85 MPH. The EGT's were 1100 range with 1150 MAX.
CHT ran 225 with 280 the highestI ever saw.
As I recall, Jerry Biddle had all the numbers in acceptable range while flying
around here, so I wouldn't try to make a drastic change all at once.
Oh, by the way, if you are at 240 pounds, then by all means, get the larger gear
legs. I'm at 250 and bent the lighter leg on my 3rd landing- wasn't all that
hard, either. I changed to the bigger legs and bent one of those, too. My airframe
started out as a FireStar 1 and I converted it to an FS II with a 503, and
7 rib wings. Anyway, I always landed with some power and smooth landings were
almost a given.
Good luck.
Ken
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <MORGANGUY@HOTMAIL.COM>
I did it! The thunder clouds moved on and there was only a 4mph wind so I went
for it. Took off and flew down the beach for a bit till I stopped shakin then
headed back for the field. I greased my first landing and stopped to put on some
fuel 'cause I spent about 10 minutes idling/taxiing beforehand getting up my
nerve. Got some gas and went out again for a little longer. Was a little bumpy
the second time and the landing was a little rougher. The Fly handles like a
dream and wants to bust Vne constantly. Cruises 70 mph at about 5400rpm. I do
have one problem that concerns me, though. I can't stay in the 4400-4900 rpm
range for more than a few seconds and the EIS
light starts flashing at me. My
EGT climbs rapidly in that range, which unfortunately is the range I'd like to
be in to carry power into my landing. What can I do to fix it? I better get
home. The Mrs. is already starting to say I spend too much time with my new
mistress. I wil
l be workin on my honey-do list with a grin on my face, though. Later.
Guy Morgan
Galveston, TX Firefly driver
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: kkorenek@comcast.net
Guy,
Before you go messing with changing the jets or changing the needle positions,
think about adding just a bit of pitch. Take a survey of temperatures vs RPM
from idle thru WOT (wide open throttle) and see where the temps fall. If you
are a bit high - but under 1200, at your desired rpm range, then just add a
little pitch. More pitch makes cruise MPH a bit higher and loads up the engine
which in turn lowers EGT. My Firestar EGT was a bit high, I raised the needle
to add richness and the EGT's went down. But, the fuel burn went way up!
I put the needle back in it's original position and added pitch. For me,
each degree of pitch lowered EGT by 75 degres and added 5 MPH and lowered fuel
burn a little. the only drawback is a little less climbout.
My FS was pitched for 6250 WOT climbout at 50 MPH and straight and level WOT was
just short of 6500 RPM and 85 MPH. The EGT's were 1100 range with 1150 MAX.
CHT ran 225 with 280 the highest I ever saw.
As I recall, Jerry Biddle had all the numbers in acceptable range while flying
around here, so I wouldn't try to make a drastic change all at once.
Oh, by the way, if you are at 240 pounds, then by all means, get the larger gear
legs. I'm at 250 and bent the lighter leg on my 3rd landing- wasn't all that
hard, either. I changed to the bigger legs and bent one of those, too.
My airframe started out as a FireStar 1 and I converted it to an FS II with a
503, and 7 rib wings. Anyway, I always landed with some power and smooth landings
were almost a given.
Good luck.
Ken
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan"
>
>
> I did it! The thunder clouds moved on and there was only a 4mph wind so I went
> for it. Took off and flew down the beach for a bit till I stopped shakin then
> headed back for the field. I greased my first landing and stopped to put on some
> fuel 'cause I spent about 10 minutes idling/taxiing beforehand getting up my
> nerve. Got some gas and went out again for a little longer. Was a little bumpy
> the second time and the landing was a little rougher. The Fly handles like a
> dream and wants to bust Vne constantly. Cruises 70 mph at about 5400rpm. I do
> have one problem that concerns me, though. I can't stay in the 4400-4900 rpm
> range for more than a few seconds and the EIS light starts flashing at me. My
> EGT climbs rapidly in that range, which unfortunately is the range I'd like to
> be in to carry power into my landing. What can I do to fix it? I better get
> home. The Mrs. is already starting to say I spend too much time with my new
> mistress. I wil
> l be workin on my honey-do list with a grin on my face, though. Later.
>
>
> Guy Morgan
>
>
> Galveston, TX Firefly driver
>
>
> Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
>
>
>
>
>
>
Guy,
Before you go messing with changing the jets or changing the needle positions,
think about adding just a bit of pitch. Take a survey of temperatures vs RPM from
idle thru WOT (wide open throttle) and see where the temps fall. If you are
a bit high - but under 1200, at your desired rpm range, then just add a little
pitch. More pitch makes cruise MPH a bit higher and loads up the engine which
in turn lowers EGT. My Firestar EGT was a bit high, I raised the needle to
add richness and the EGT's went down. But, the fuel burn went way up! I put the
needle back in it's original position and added pitch. For me, each degree of
pitch lowered EGT by 75 degres and added 5 MPH and lowered fuel burn a little.
the only drawback is a little less climbout.
My FS was pitched for 6250 WOT climbout at 50 MPH and straight and level WOT was
just short of 6500 RPM and 85 MPH. The EGT's were 1100 range with 1150 MAX.
CHT ran 225 with 280 the highestI ever saw.
As I recall, Jerry Biddle had all the numbers in acceptable range while flying
around here, so I wouldn't try to make a drastic change all at once.
Oh, by the way, if you are at 240 pounds, then by all means, get the larger gear
legs. I'm at 250 and bent the lighter leg on my 3rd landing- wasn't all that
hard, either. I changed to the bigger legs and bent one of those, too. My airframe
started out as a FireStar 1 and I converted it to an FS II with a 503, and
7 rib wings. Anyway, I always landed with some power and smooth landings were
almost a given.
Good luck.
Ken
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <MORGANGUY@HOTMAIL.COM>
I did it! The thunder clouds moved on and there was only a 4mph wind so I went
for it. Took off and flew down the beach for a bit till I stopped shakin then
headed back for the field. I greased my first landing and stopped to put on some
fuel 'cause I spent about 10 minutes idling/taxiing beforehand getting up my
nerve. Got some gas and went out again for a little longer. Was a little bumpy
the second time and the landing was a little rougher. The Fly handles like a
dream and wants to bust Vne constantly. Cruises 70 mph at about 5400rpm. I do
have one problem that concerns me, though. I can't stay in the 4400-4900 rpm
range for more than a few seconds and the EIS
light starts flashing at me. My
EGT climbs rapidly in that range, which unfortunately is the range I'd like to
be in to carry power into my landing. What can I do to fix it? I better get
home. The Mrs. is already starting to say I spend too much time with my new
mistress. I wil
l be workin on my honey-do list with a grin on my face, though. Later.
Guy Morgan
Galveston, TX Firefly driver
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| Subject: | Re: First flight!!!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com
Guy,
Congratulations on your first flight!
I agree with Kirk, this is normal 2-stroke engine behavior. What you have
to do is lower the RPM or raise it above that range you specified
(4400-4900). I call it the "danger zone". Never glide in this range
without prop loading (make sure the prop is under load) or the engine
will be set up for seizure. When it gets colder, you *may* need to raise
the jet needle (lower on the clip) one notch to position #3, but I'm in
Minnesota and you don't get cold in Texas.
Ralph
Original Firestar
17 years flying it
On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 16:17:13 +0000 "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan"
> <morganguy@hotmail.com>
>
>
> I did it! The thunder clouds moved on and there was only a 4mph wind
> so I went for it. Took off and flew down the beach for a bit till I
> stopped shakin then headed back for the field. I greased my first
> landing and stopped to put on some fuel 'cause I spent about 10
> minutes idling/taxiing beforehand getting up my nerve. Got some gas
> and went out again for a little longer. Was a little bumpy the
> second time and the landing was a little rougher. The Fly handles
> like a dream and wants to bust Vne constantly. Cruises 70 mph at
> about 5400rpm. I do have one problem that concerns me, though. I
> can't stay in the 4400-4900 rpm range for more than a few seconds
> and the EIS light starts flashing at me. My EGT climbs rapidly in
> that range, which unfortunately is the range I'd like to be in to
> carry power into my landing. What can I do to fix it? I better get
> home. The Mrs. is already starting to say I spend too much time with
> my new mistress. I wil
> l be workin on my honey-do list with a grin on my face, though.
> Later.
>
>
> Guy Morgan
>
>
> Galveston, TX Firefly driver
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
.4400-4900 rpm range......... My EGT climbs rapidly in that
range,............ . What can I do to fix it?
Nothin! It's a two stroke and it's gonna run lean in that range. Usually
where they sieze up.
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| Subject: | Re: First flight!!!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Congratulations, you are allowed to grin for the next week at all times of
the day and night!
Now for the EGT's -
What is your static rpm full throttle, and your egt at that rpm?
What is your rpm on climbout and your egt at that rpm?
Max rpm and under what conditions?
Knowing those helps the diagnosis.
Quick check: when the EGT's get too high, pull the enrichment (choke) lever
on, that will dump a bunch of extra gas into the manifold, and the EGT's
ought to take a nosedive, down into the 700-800 range, maybe even
4-stroking. If they stay high, then what ever else it might be, it's not
mis-jetted.
Another possibility: if you are in the 4500-4900 rpm range in a fast
descent, in other words if the engine would otherwise be running around
3500-4000, but it is up to 4500-4900 rpm because your high airspeed in the
descent has spun the engine up artificially fast, that changes things,
nothing is wrong with your engine. High temps in that configuration are
normal, and even though it is apparently too high, (since the throttle is
only about 20-25%) your likelihood of seizing anything is low. On the other
hand, don't do it for too long. The cure is to change your approach angle
so as not to overspeed the engine so much, or else set your idle rpm higher
so you won't have to worry about it quitting, and then pull it back closer
to idle. Either one will make the high EGT's go away, if in fact that is
the cause.
Any time you have a low throttle setting (low fuel intake) and a high rpm
because of a fast descent (high air intake) you artificially induce a lean
mixture and you will get high EGT's. If the engine is producing very
minimal power, that gives you a margin of safety, (your cht's are normally
falling in that situation, even as your egt's are going up) but don't push
your luck...
And while on the subject of jetting- a friend put an R & D tuned pipe on
his 503 Drifter, looking for more horsepower. It was a real beast to get
jetted to where it would run, and we were shooting for keeping it right at
the 1000 degree range lest it cook something. It made much extra
horsepower, but was a real witch to live with, either on the pipe at
5900-6000, or off the pipe at 4900 or less. Nothing in between. The 503
quit on him last Friday, reason unknown, and the Drifter is in hurtin'
status. Just food for thought, stock pipes are not to tough to figure out,
tuned ones are a different story.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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At 04:17 PM 8/2/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
>
>
>I did it! The thunder clouds moved on and there was only a 4mph wind so I
>went for it. Took off and flew down the beach for a bit till I stopped
>shakin then headed back for the field. I greased my first landing and
>stopped to put on some fuel 'cause I spent about 10 minutes idling/taxiing
>beforehand getting up my nerve. Got some gas and went out again for a
>little longer. Was a little bumpy the second time and the landing was a
>little rougher. The Fly handles like a dream and wants to bust Vne
>constantly. Cruises 70 mph at about 5400rpm. I do have one problem that
>concerns me, though. I can't stay in the 4400-4900 rpm range for more than
>a few seconds and the EIS light starts flashing at me. My EGT climbs
>rapidly in that range, which unfortunately is the range I'd like to be in
>to carry power into my landing. What can I do to fix it? I better get
>home. The Mrs. is already starting to say I spend too much time with my
>new mistress. I wil
> l be workin on my honey-do list with a grin on my face, though. Later.
>
>
>Guy Morgan
>
>
>Galveston, TX Firefly driver
>
>
> Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First flight!!!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Guy
Congratulations
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: First flight!!!!!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
>
>
> I did it! The thunder clouds moved on and there was only a 4mph wind so I
went for it. Took off and flew down the beach for a bit till I stopped
shakin then headed back for the field. I greased my first landing and
stopped to put on some fuel 'cause I spent about 10 minutes idling/taxiing
beforehand getting up my nerve. Got some gas and went out again for a little
longer. Was a little bumpy the second time and the landing was a little
rougher. The Fly handles like a dream and wants to bust Vne constantly.
Cruises 70 mph at about 5400rpm. I do have one problem that concerns me,
though. I can't stay in the 4400-4900 rpm range for more than a few seconds
and the EIS light starts flashing at me. My EGT climbs rapidly in that
range, which unfortunately is the range I'd like to be in to carry power
into my landing. What can I do to fix it? I better get home. The Mrs. is
already starting to say I spend too much time with my new mistress. I wil
> l be workin on my honey-do list with a grin on my face, though. Later.
>
>
> Guy Morgan
>
>
> Galveston, TX Firefly driver
>
>
> Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
HOLY COW RICK!
Glad you are ok and the bird is too.....missed you somehow at oshkosh....I
came home last nite also.
BTW...good thing those beans were not Illinois beans!....they are about 4 ft
high here now and and thick as fur with the rain we have had!
Don Gherardini
OEM.Sales / Engineering dept.
American Honda Engines
Power Equipment Company
CortLand, Illinois
800-626-7326
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| Subject: | Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Just got the plane home. I'm going to take a few days before I start fixing
it.
The beans were maybe 8-10 inches tall. I was able to put it down so that the
main gear didn't touch the plants.
The reduction drive is the Valley Engineering drive and the supplier for
Great Plains. They said that I was the first to use anything other than a 2
blade wood prop. They are really good people and they should be able to put
a gusset on the part to stop the flexing. To look a the part I never would
have guessed it would have broken there but there is allot of force from
gyroscopic effect when you are bouncing around in rough air. The drive had
app. 100 hours on it. And yes Scott and John I do fly when its bumpy just
not ANY more than I have to.
Rick Neilsen
Broken Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> I'm glad everything worked out OK for you, Rick. How many hours are on
your
> redrive ?? Lar.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> N78LB Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen"
> <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
> >
> > I got 10 miles from home last night from Oshkosh and had to do a forced
> > landing. It looks like the reduction drive adapter broke causing the
drive
> > belts to fall off. In the confusion of trying to regain thrust I think I
> > overreved the motor. The landing was uneventful. I will send a photo. I
> > landed in a bean field then rolled up on to a lawn within 100 ft of a
> > intersection with road signs. We had just talked about this at Oshkosh.
I
> > used flaps to make the field then put them up for landing. I planted the
> > tail wheel and it stayed down through roll out. Nothing but the engine,
> > redrive, and my pride is broken.
> >
> > Going to retrieve the plane this morning.
> >
> > Rick Neilsen
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: interference |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "KolbDriver" <KolbDriver@bellsouth.net>
Bob,
I shortened my throttle lever.
Steven G.
----- Original Message -----
From: "robert bean" <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: interference
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
> Here's a question directed at mkIII classic owners who still have the
> original
> center stick setup. After modifying mine last week to have a more
> comfortable
> grip location, I started wondering about the point where the control
> stick
> whacks the throttle. The plans call for 35 deg up and down motion.
> Mine does that, if you don't consider the throttle....but at the point
> of conflict
> there are only a few degrees of up. -It's enough to fly but I don't
> like it.
> What I need are reports back on where you others have yours set up--
> how many degrees up at the bump point?
> I'm at the point where I'm considering welding up a whole new control
> stick
> to eliminate this situation altogether. -Thanks, BB do archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Thanks for the feedback on the stick/throttle subject. I welded the
extension, about
1-1/2" and reinstalled. Now have about 20 degrees up travel before it
hits
the knob. I'm satisfied that it's at least safe to fly, if I want more
later I still have
the option of cutting the throttle. -BB do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
What kind of prop were you using?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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At 05:13 PM 8/2/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen"
><NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
><snip>
>The reduction drive is the Valley Engineering drive and the supplier for
>Great Plains. They said that I was the first to use anything other than a 2
>blade wood prop.
<snip>
>Rick Neilsen
>Broken Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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| Subject: | Congratulations! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
Guy,
Great news, there's another FireFly in the air! Bet you can't wipe the
smile off your face yet.
Good for you and I know there are many hours of great flying ahead for
you! It just keeps getting better. Fly safe,
Terry - FireFly #95
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| Subject: | The Dallas Jabi is ali e!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
I fired up the Jabiru I bought from list member Dallas Shepard today.
WOW!!! I have a 2 blade Sinsnech (?) prop on it. It is a lot more powerfull
than I had thought. Good thing my foot was caught and crushed under the
wheel or it would have taken off without me. As it was it merely blew over
my big old electric barbeque that was 20 ft. behing the tail. Haven't gone
to full speed yet either. A few minor checks and tweaks and it should be
flying time. I was told to expect marginally better performance than a 582.
From that short run up I have my doubts. I think it will be a lot better.
Perhaps it is because of the prop. I know every body praises warp and IVO
but technically I think a well designed wood prop should out perform a one
size fits all prop. I have been flying Warps exclusively for over 10 years.
I was supposed to have a list member visit this weekend to witness the
event. What happened?
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| Subject: | Re: The Dallas Jabi is ali e!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
I never saw or heard from him either, Woody.
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
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----- Original Message -----
From: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
> I was supposed to have a list member visit this weekend to witness
> the event. What happened?
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Finally had some time to gather my thoughts and pictures from Oshkosh.
I just updated this page on my website with this just completed trip:
http://home.comcast.net/~KolbraPilot3/Oshkosh_2004.htm
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 635 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
Zenith CH701 Project
http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane
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