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1. 06:02 AM - Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc (David Paule)
2. 06:19 AM - Re: The Dallas Jabi is ali e!!! (Denny Rowe)
3. 07:03 AM - Re: Oshkosh 2004 (Fackler, Ken)
4. 08:05 AM - Re: Oshkosh 2004 (John Cooley)
5. 08:17 AM - Re: Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
6. 09:06 AM - Re: Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc (Bob N.)
7. 11:48 AM - Oshkosh 2004 Photos (John Williamson)
8. 01:36 PM - Re: Oshkosh 2004 (Jim Ballenger)
9. 01:38 PM - Re: The Dallas Jabi is ali e!!! (Jim Ballenger)
10. 02:54 PM - (Keith Kellogg)
11. 03:01 PM - Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc (David Paule)
12. 03:02 PM - New Kolb Mark III Owner in Illinois (Keith Kellogg)
13. 03:04 PM - Re: (Edward Chmielewski)
14. 03:15 PM - Re: New Kolb Mark III Owner in Illinois (Giovanni Day)
15. 03:27 PM - Receipts added up today (Mike Pierzina)
16. 03:36 PM - Please confirm: ~czid=5e6135cdc56faef0d253b28b929c766a~kolb-list@matronics.com~ (Christopher Armstrong)
17. 03:36 PM - Please confirm: Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc~czid=5e6135cdc56faef0d253b28b929c766a~kolb-list@matronics.com~ (Christopher Armstrong)
18. 03:36 PM - Please confirm: New Kolb Mark III Owner in Il~czid=5e6135cdc56faef0d253b28b929c766a~kolb-list@matronics.com~ (Christopher Armstrong)
19. 03:49 PM - Re: Please confirm: New Kolb Mark III Owner in Il~czid=5e6135cdc56faef0d253b28b929c766a~kolb-list@matronics.com~ (Lanelle Freeman)
20. 03:51 PM - Re: Please confirm: New Kolb Mark III Owner in Il~czid=5e6135cdc56faef0d253b28b929c766a~kolb-list@matronics.com~ (Christopher Armstrong)
21. 03:52 PM - Re: Please confirm: ~czid=5e6135cdc56faef0d253b28b929c766a~kolb-list@matronics.com~ (Christopher Armstrong)
22. 03:52 PM - Re: Please confirm: Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc~czid=5e6135cdc56faef0d253b28b929c766a~kolb-list@matronics.com~ (Christopher Armstrong)
23. 03:52 PM - Re: Please confirm: New Kolb Mark III Owner in Il~czid=5e6135cdc56faef0d253b28b929c766a~kolb-list@matronics.com~ (Christopher Armstrong)
24. 04:13 PM - Re: Please confirm: Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc~czid=5e6135cdc56faef0d253b28b929c766a~kolb-list@matronics.com~ (Jimmy)
25. 04:13 PM - Re: Please confirm: New Kolb Mark III Owner in Il~czid=5e6135cdc56faef0d253b28b929c766a~kolb-list@matronics.com~ (Jimmy)
26. 04:15 PM - Re: Please confirm: New Kolb Mark III Owner in Il~czid=5e6135cdc56... (HGRAFF@aol.com)
27. 04:25 PM - Re: Please confirm: Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc~czid=5e6135cdc56f... (Plancraz2020@aol.com)
28. 04:38 PM - Re: First flight!!!!! (jerb)
29. 05:00 PM - Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc (jerb)
30. 05:01 PM - Re: Loose fitting (Jack & Louise Hart)
31. 05:01 PM - Re: Oshkosh 2004 (Jack & Louise Hart)
32. 05:07 PM - Mk3/912 Test Flight Report (H MITCHELL)
33. 05:21 PM - Re: Please confirm: ~czid=5e6135cdc56faef0d253b28b929c766a~kolb-list@matronics.com~ (Jim & Mona)
34. 05:24 PM - Re: Re: Please confirm: ~czid=5e6135cdc56faef0d253b28b929c766a~kolb-list@matronics.com~ ()
35. 05:45 PM - Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
36. 06:56 PM - Re: Please confirm Crap.....????? (Mike Pierzina)
37. 07:07 PM - Re: Re: Please confirm Crap.....????? (Christopher Armstrong)
38. 07:19 PM - Re: Re: Please confirm Crap.....????? (Matt Dralle)
39. 07:19 PM - (owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com)
40. 07:21 PM - test, please ignore... (Matt Dralle)
41. 07:43 PM - [ Dennis Kirby ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
42. 08:55 PM - MKIII 912 installation (Giovanni Day)
43. 09:08 PM - Anti-Chafe Tape (Giovanni Day)
44. 11:12 PM - Re: Anti-Chafe Tape (Christopher Armstrong)
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| Subject: | Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
I'm sorry to hear of your little problem, but congratulations on your
excellent field-picking skills and forced landing. You did a superb job.
With Big Hammer, my Cessna Skywagon, I use flaps on the approach and flare,
and touchdown, and retract them immediately upon tire contact. That forces
the plane to stay on the ground. In some instances during the flare, I'll
retract them to force a touch-down at a particular location.
Can you discuss the retraction of the flaps for landing further? Thanks!
Dave Paule
FSII that I still haven't flown
Cessna 180 Big Hammer
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| Subject: | Re: The Dallas Jabi is ali e!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: The Dallas Jabi is ali e!!!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
>
> I fired up the Jabiru I bought from list member Dallas Shepard today.
> WOW!!!
Great news Woody!
After seeing Luray Weacters Jab powered Slingshot at the Fathers day fly-in,
I am waiting with baited breath to hear your Mk-3s performance numbers.
Keep us posted.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3,690L-70
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
Absolutely wonderful stuff, John! Thanks a gazillion. It sure was nice to
see that old Joe Pool Res. I used to land on roads that are now underwater!!
After they filled it, I frequently "shot the dam" in my XC-280, touching
down one wheel, then the other, and so on. I shouldn't have, but I have to
admit I buzzed a few skiers and even a parasailer a time or two.
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI (formerly of Cedar Hill, TX)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2004
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
<kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> Finally had some time to gather my thoughts and pictures from Oshkosh.
>
> I just updated this page on my website with this just completed trip:
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~KolbraPilot3/Oshkosh_2004.htm
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 635 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
> Zenith CH701 Project
> http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane
> http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Hi John & Gang,
Thanks for taking the time to put together a great piece of work. I really
enjoy the pictures and descriptions of your trips you and others put
together to share with all on the list. I know it is time intensive and a
pain to do, so just wanted to say thanks.
do not archive
Later,
John Cooley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John
Williamson
Subject: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2004
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Finally had some time to gather my thoughts and pictures from Oshkosh.
I just updated this page on my website with this just completed trip:
http://home.comcast.net/~KolbraPilot3/Oshkosh_2004.htm
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 635 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
Zenith CH701 Project
http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane
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| Subject: | Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
David / All
I had just dropped down to 1800ft MSL to stay under Lansing's air space so
when the redrive broke I didn't have long or many choices so it was partly
dumb luck. If you have a lot of altitude you can waste allot of time and
altitude looking for the best place to land. I had two choices and the one I
took was dead ahead within gliding range. I was also flying into the wind, I
figure I'm a good pilot I almost always fly into a head wing.
As for using flaps in a engine out. I normally carry a some small amount of
power and one notch of flaps when I land because I haven't honed the skill
of zero power with flaps landing "yet". As I get better I carry less and
less power. The GA aircraft that I was trained on can float in ground effect
for hundreds of feet with no power and flaps. Our Kolbs float tens of feet
in ground effect with no power and one notch of flaps. And MUCH less with
full flaps. When I had the forced landing I used the flaps to get me to the
landing spot I wanted, kind of like a negative throttle. At app. 100ft I
raised the flaps so that I would have some float in ground effect. With no
flaps I had the time to flare and bleed off air speed inches from the
ground. I may have even snagged a few beans with my tail wheel. Then I was
able to do a very gentle touch down in the bean field. The net effect is
very similar to the power on full flaps soft field landing they teach for GA
aircraft.
Hope this helps. This may not be the best way to handle a forced landing but
it worked for me. Now how would you all (sorry I have been hanging around a
Texan too much) handle a corn field, landing in trees, or on water (without
floats)? I feel real lucky it failed were it did.
Rick Neilsen
Broken Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
>
> I'm sorry to hear of your little problem, but congratulations on your
> excellent field-picking skills and forced landing. You did a superb job.
>
> With Big Hammer, my Cessna Skywagon, I use flaps on the approach and
flare,
> and touchdown, and retract them immediately upon tire contact. That forces
> the plane to stay on the ground. In some instances during the flare, I'll
> retract them to force a touch-down at a particular location.
>
> Can you discuss the retraction of the flaps for landing further? Thanks!
>
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| Subject: | Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
In answer to the question of landing in a corn field- Only If You Have To!
About '66 I had just had my TriPacer annualled, and took off for a short
ride. It was very short. At about 100' over end of runway it became
"deadly" quiet. August corn, elephant-eye high. Never heard such a
racket! New LEs and lots of microballoons in lower cowl. But certainly
did stop very quickly. [gas line to gascolator not tightened]
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy new story for August
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| Subject: | Oshkosh 2004 Photos |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Hello again Folks,
I guess I am the Texan that Rick referred to in an earlier post.
I have corrected some links on my Oshkosh 2004 webpage and formatted it so
it will also run with the Netscape browser.
http://home.comcast.net/~KolbraPilot3/Oshkosh_2004.htm
It's a lot more fun to take the photos than to setup the webpages. I hope
that more people will get involved and start sharing their flying photos
from a Kolb.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 635 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
Zenith CH701 Project
http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
John
Thanks for the pictures. I did enjoy looking at them. Keep up the great
photography of the fly ins for those of us stuck at home and in our jobs.
Thanks
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2004
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
<kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> Finally had some time to gather my thoughts and pictures from Oshkosh.
>
> I just updated this page on my website with this just completed trip:
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~KolbraPilot3/Oshkosh_2004.htm
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 635 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
> Zenith CH701 Project
> http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane
> http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Dallas Jabi is ali e!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Woody
This is good to hear. I purchased a Jabiru 2200 last December for my MK III
X. I hope to have it in the air in the next 6 months or so. I am in the
covering stage now. Everyone I have talked to that has a Jabiru engine on
the MK III is very pleased with it.
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: The Dallas Jabi is ali e!!!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
>
> I fired up the Jabiru I bought from list member Dallas Shepard today.
> WOW!!! I have a 2 blade Sinsnech (?) prop on it. It is a lot more
powerfull
> than I had thought. Good thing my foot was caught and crushed under the
> wheel or it would have taken off without me. As it was it merely blew over
> my big old electric barbeque that was 20 ft. behing the tail. Haven't gone
> to full speed yet either. A few minor checks and tweaks and it should be
> flying time. I was told to expect marginally better performance than a
582.
> From that short run up I have my doubts. I think it will be a lot better.
> Perhaps it is because of the prop. I know every body praises warp and IVO
> but technically I think a well designed wood prop should out perform a one
> size fits all prop. I have been flying Warps exclusively for over 10
years.
> I was supposed to have a list member visit this weekend to witness the
> event. What happened?
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Keith Kellogg" <kloggs@comcast.net>
Last week I purchased a Kolb Mark III Classic that was built by an AP
Mechanic in Sparta MI for his son who rarely flew it. It is a beautiful
plane that won Grand Champion at Oshkosh in 92 and looks like the day it was
built. I live West of Chicago and plan on keeping the plane at Cushing Fld.
I am a private pilot with about 50 hours of taildragger experience.
Unfortunately the guy who built the Kolb has limited experience in it so I
am looking for someone to check me out in it or give me some experience in
their Kolb. Is their anyone in the IL, WI, MI area who can assist me in
getting some experience? The plane is still in Sparta which is about 200
miles north of where I live. I haven't decided if I will fly it down or
trailer it. Would like to fly it but I want to make sure I am comfortable
with it before I do. That leads to my second question, does anyone in this
area have a trailer that I could rent should I decide to trailer it home?
Any advice/assistance that can be provided will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Keith Kellogg
Warrenville, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
Many thanks for the helpful instruction. Although my Firestar II (that I
bought used and flying but haven't flown yet) doesn't have flaps, this does
help me understand the different aspects of these airplanes from my heavier
and faster Skywagon.
It's much appreciated.
Thanks again,
Dave Paule
Boulder, CO
=========
Rick Neilsen wrote:
As for using flaps in a engine out. I normally carry a some small amount of
power and one notch of flaps when I land because I haven't honed the skill
of zero power with flaps landing "yet". As I get better I carry less and
less power. The GA aircraft that I was trained on can float in ground effect
for hundreds of feet with no power and flaps. Our Kolbs float tens of feet
in ground effect with no power and one notch of flaps. And MUCH less with
full flaps. When I had the forced landing I used the flaps to get me to the
landing spot I wanted, kind of like a negative throttle. At app. 100 ft I
raised the flaps so that I would have some float in ground effect. With no
flaps I had the time to flare and bleed off air speed inches from the
ground. I may have even snagged a few beans with my tail wheel. Then I was
able to do a very gentle touch down in the bean field. The net effect is
very similar to the power on full flaps soft field landing they teach for GA
aircraft.
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| Subject: | New Kolb Mark III Owner in Illinois |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Keith Kellogg" <kloggs@comcast.net>
Last week I purchased a Kolb Mark III Classic that was built by an AP
Mechanic in Sparta MI for his son who rarely flew it. It is a beautiful
plane that won Grand Champion at Oshkosh in 92 and looks like the day it was
built. I live West of Chicago and plan on keeping the plane at Cushing Fld.
I am a private pilot with about 50 hours of taildragger experience.
Unfortunately the guy who built the Kolb has limited experience in it so I
am looking for someone to check me out in it or give me some experience in
their Kolb. Is their anyone in the IL, WI, MI area who can assist me in
getting some experience? The plane is still in Sparta which is about 200
miles north of where I live. I haven't decided if I will fly it down or
trailer it. Would like to fly it but I want to make sure I am comfortable
with it before I do. That leads to my second question, does anyone in this
area have a trailer that I could rent should I decide to trailer it home?
Any advice/assistance that can be provided will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Keith Kellogg
Warrenville, IL
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Hi Keith,
As far as trailering, I rented a 26' box Ryder truck when I bought my used
MkII a few years ago. It fit in
kitty-corner. Use plenty of tie-down straps. Tied the wings to the sides of the
box with 2 sheets of insulation board
in between.
Seeing as it's in Sparta, maybe Rick Neilsen could fly with you. I hear
he's not busy for a few weeks.....
(Sorry, Rick. I know you'll have it airborne in no time.)
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Kellogg" <kloggs@comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb-List:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Keith Kellogg" <kloggs@comcast.net>
>
> Last week I purchased a Kolb Mark III Classic that was built by an AP
> Mechanic in Sparta MI for his son who rarely flew it. It is a beautiful
> plane that won Grand Champion at Oshkosh in 92 and looks like the day it was
> built. I live West of Chicago and plan on keeping the plane at Cushing Fld.
>
> I am a private pilot with about 50 hours of taildragger experience.
> Unfortunately the guy who built the Kolb has limited experience in it so I
> am looking for someone to check me out in it or give me some experience in
> their Kolb. Is their anyone in the IL, WI, MI area who can assist me in
> getting some experience? The plane is still in Sparta which is about 200
> miles north of where I live. I haven't decided if I will fly it down or
> trailer it. Would like to fly it but I want to make sure I am comfortable
> with it before I do. That leads to my second question, does anyone in this
> area have a trailer that I could rent should I decide to trailer it home?
>
> Any advice/assistance that can be provided will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Keith Kellogg
> Warrenville, IL
>
>
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| Subject: | New Kolb Mark III Owner in Illinois |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Keith,
Congrats on your purchase. Send us some photos when you can. What motor
is on this plane? I think you can get transition time with Brian in the
factory plane for a good price. I would get checked out and fly it home
to avoid any potential damage. It will be more fun that way anyhow. :)
Giovanni
MKIIIC 80566/ First wing on the bench to start covering.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith Kellogg
Subject: Kolb-List: New Kolb Mark III Owner in Illinois
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Keith Kellogg" <kloggs@comcast.net>
Last week I purchased a Kolb Mark III Classic that was built by an AP
Mechanic in Sparta MI for his son who rarely flew it. It is a beautiful
plane that won Grand Champion at Oshkosh in 92 and looks like the day it
was built. I live West of Chicago and plan on keeping the plane at
Cushing Fld.
I am a private pilot with about 50 hours of taildragger experience.
Unfortunately the guy who built the Kolb has limited experience in it so
I am looking for someone to check me out in it or give me some
experience in their Kolb. Is their anyone in the IL, WI, MI area who
can assist me in getting some experience? The plane is still in Sparta
which is about 200 miles north of where I live. I haven't decided if I
will fly it down or trailer it. Would like to fly it but I want to make
sure I am comfortable with it before I do. That leads to my second
question, does anyone in this area have a trailer that I could rent
should I decide to trailer it home?
Any advice/assistance that can be provided will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Keith Kellogg
Warrenville, IL
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| Subject: | Receipts added up today |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hey Guys,
I added my receipts for my Firestar II today....
EIS , GPL , miZer , Transponder , Icom Nav/Com w/intercom ,
GPS Airmap 100 , plus Taxes ....I've got $19,000.00 in it...and I don't have a
BRS... Holy SH... COW!
I still need to buy insurance and make a trailer...
I didn't realize I was having SO MUCH FUN !!!
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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| Subject: | First flight!!!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Congratulations Guy,
I had just thought wondering if you had flown it yet and there's your post.
As for the high EGT temps with partial power it's a mid range issue and
seems to be a characteristic of the FireFly - almost everyone I know that
has a FireFly with the same engine & prop setup has experienced this
characteristic. Might move it some by changing the needle but be careful -
it's made it all these hours. You'll learn how to avoid that range as you
gain experience.
jerb
At 12:22 PM 8/2/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
>
>What temp are the EGTs getting? You may need to raise the needle one
>notch.
>
>Giovanni
>
>Do Not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Morgan
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: First flight!!!!!
>
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
>
>
>I did it! The thunder clouds moved on and there was only a 4mph wind so
>I went for it. Took off and flew down the beach for a bit till I stopped
>shakin then headed back for the field. I greased my first landing and
>stopped to put on some fuel 'cause I spent about 10 minutes
>idling/taxiing beforehand getting up my nerve. Got some gas and went out
>again for a little longer. Was a little bumpy the second time and the
>landing was a little rougher. The Fly handles like a dream and wants to
>bust Vne constantly. Cruises 70 mph at about 5400rpm. I do have one
>problem that concerns me, though. I can't stay in the 4400-4900 rpm
>range for more than a few seconds and the EIS light starts flashing at
>me. My EGT climbs rapidly in that range, which unfortunately is the
>range I'd like to be in to carry power into my landing. What can I do to
>fix it? I better get home. The Mrs. is already starting to say I spend
>too much time with my new mistress. I wil l be workin on my honey-do
>list with a grin on my face, though. Later.
>
>
>Guy Morgan
>
>
>Galveston, TX Firefly driver
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Rick,
I recall reading a short write up a few years ago in back page of EAA
Experimenter. It specifically advised owner of VW engines not to run any
form of composite prop as it developed some form of harmonics causing the
crank to break near so many hours in service. Anybody got a reference
index to the magazine, might be listed on it.
jerb
At 05:13 PM 8/2/04 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen"
><NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
>
>Just got the plane home. I'm going to take a few days before I start fixing
>it.
>
>The beans were maybe 8-10 inches tall. I was able to put it down so that the
>main gear didn't touch the plants.
>
>The reduction drive is the Valley Engineering drive and the supplier for
>Great Plains. They said that I was the first to use anything other than a 2
>blade wood prop. They are really good people and they should be able to put
>a gusset on the part to stop the flexing. To look a the part I never would
>have guessed it would have broken there but there is allot of force from
>gyroscopic effect when you are bouncing around in rough air. The drive had
>app. 100 hours on it. And yes Scott and John I do fly when its bumpy just
>not ANY more than I have to.
>
>Rick Neilsen
>Broken Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> >
> > I'm glad everything worked out OK for you, Rick. How many hours are on
>your
> > redrive ?? Lar.
> >
> > Larry Bourne
> > Palm Springs, CA
> > Building Kolb Mk III
> > N78LB Vamoose
> > www.gogittum.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Kolb-List: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc
> >
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen"
> > <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
> > >
> > > I got 10 miles from home last night from Oshkosh and had to do a forced
> > > landing. It looks like the reduction drive adapter broke causing the
>drive
> > > belts to fall off. In the confusion of trying to regain thrust I think I
> > > overreved the motor. The landing was uneventful. I will send a photo. I
> > > landed in a bean field then rolled up on to a lawn within 100 ft of a
> > > intersection with road signs. We had just talked about this at Oshkosh.
>I
> > > used flaps to make the field then put them up for landing. I planted the
> > > tail wheel and it stayed down through roll out. Nothing but the engine,
> > > redrive, and my pride is broken.
> > >
> > > Going to retrieve the plane this morning.
> > >
> > > Rick Neilsen
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Loose fitting |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 01:25 PM 8/1/04 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
>
>Jack,
>
>
>Then again, maybe I'm misreading what the problem is!
>
Terry
There are three joints that cause the problem. The 1/2 inch hole in the
cage swivel or rotating joint, the 5/16 inch holes through the two swing
joints that connect the rotating joint to the wing, and the distance the
swing joints can travel up and down the pins between the inner and outer
parts of the clevis all had excessive clearance. It is the accumulation of
all these clearances that lead to the 1/8 inch travel.
Originally, I had filed the inner swing joint so there was no clearance
between it and the clevis that went over it. But the hole was large and I
was able to slip a 0.001 thick shim inside the bore and still get the pin
through. But the middle joint, as received, had a large clearance along the
pin between the inner part and the clevis. I had the parts powder coated
which helped to close the gap but the surfaces were not truly parallel and
so there was point contact between them. Powder coating will not take these
loads and due to vibration the powder coating quickly wore away. By
removing the remaining powder coatings on the mating surfaces and installing
shim washers, I was able to get rid of all slop up and down the pins.
This left the clearance in the pin holes. All pin holes were shimmed with
0.004 thick stock. The compression washer on the cage swivel or rotating
joint was used to prevent vibration from causing wear between the nut and
the cage to the swivel backing plate. The "O" rings make good compression
springs, and I hope to never have to ever adjust the nut again. It is easy
to assemble but a bear to disassemble for adjustment.
Is this a permanent fix? I don't know. I will have to wait about 150 hours
to find out.
I hope this is a little clearer.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 11:14 PM 8/2/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
>Finally had some time to gather my thoughts and pictures from Oshkosh.
>
>I just updated this page on my website with this just completed trip:
>
>http://home.comcast.net/~KolbraPilot3/Oshkosh_2004.htm
>
>
>John Williamson
>Arlington, TX
>
John,
As you crossed the Mississippi just north of Chester, Illinois, you over
flew K02 on the way to Sparta, Illinois. I was not home at the time but it
is nice to know another Kolb passed this way. Spent a half and hour chasing
towboats up and down the Mississippi this afternoon. Passed by the bridge
three times.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
do not archive
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Mk3/912 Test Flight Report |
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:07:04 -0400
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
"Took 7078A up for further testing this AM. The OAT read 80 Deg at 8 AM and the
air was wringing wet but she ignored all of that and we went to work on expanding
the envelope. Climbed to 2000' over the airport and headed East about five
miles to an area where there are some fair sized pastures, just in case.
Before leaving the hangar the strut fairings were set at ~15 Deg off level with
bottom of wing in an attempt to correct left roll tendency (Left up/right down).
The folks who said that would not help were right, there was no noticeable
difference. EGT, CHT, Oil T and Oil P were all normal. Did a dozen eights over
a highway at increasing angle of turn up to ~30 Deg. Control was firm throughout
these maneuvers. Attempted power-on stall to about 45 MPH. Lots of mush but
no stall or tendency to fall off on either wing. Stall testing will be the
primary objective of the next flight.
'Did a low pass over the runway then back to the pattern for a full stop landing.
The landing was long and probably an "8" because I'm still getting use to sitting
so close to the runway when she finally touches down .
Post-test exam showed no oil or coolant leaks, the wing gap cover holding tight,
prop blade movement detectors all in place. I cranked in another half degree
of prop pitch based on ground observers reports and the fact that my engine T's
were on the low side even in climb out.
My testing will have to wait while I am traveling to Columbia SC for a wedding
on the 11th and on to the Akron OH area for a week with the next generation.
Thanks to those who have responded to my previous posts. It is good to know someone
is out there.
Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL, Mk3/912, Firefly w/Trailer for sale.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim & Mona" <mbennet5@columbus.rr.com>
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Please confirm: Kolb-List:
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>
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>
> From: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
> Date: 2004/08/03 Tue PM 06:52:02 EDT
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Please confirm: Kolb-List: ~czid=5e6135cdc56faef0d253b28b929c766a~kolb-list@matronics.com~
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| Subject: | Re: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Jerb
You are absolutely right on most of this but the advise pertains to direct
drive VW engines. I had one of those and had a wood prop on it. The feeling
is that the belt drive provides enough absorbsion of the harmonics that it
isn't a problem. There isn't a lot of experience yet so I'm sort of a test
pilot in this area. It is fairly smooth but I was reminded a few days ago
just how smooth a VW is with no prop.
Rick Neilsen
Broken Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "jerb" <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Broken VW Powered MKIIIc
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>
> Rick,
> I recall reading a short write up a few years ago in back page of EAA
> Experimenter. It specifically advised owner of VW engines not to run any
> form of composite prop as it developed some form of harmonics causing the
> crank to break near so many hours in service.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
Sorry guys I am trying a new spam blocking software that I have heard good
things about and I didn't have it set up correctly , as soon as I get it
figured out it you should not get any more of this crap from me! If the
software works I will let you know about it.
Sorry again
Topher
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This someone's spamfilter no doubt. I put a filter in about 4pm to block
further posts with this. Caught 10 of them so far!!
Matt Dralle
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At 06:56 PM 8/3/2004 Tuesday, you wrote:
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Hello all,
I am having trouble finding a suitable mounting system for the oil tank
on my 912 powered MKIII. Any photos and or ideas would be very helpful.
Thanks
Giovanni
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Hello again,
I will start covering the MKIII wings tomorrow and was wondering where
most of you put the Anti-Chafe tape.
Thanks
Giovanni Day
MKIII 80566
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
Where there might be chaffing?
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Giovanni Day
Subject: Kolb-List: Anti-Chafe Tape
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Hello again,
I will start covering the MKIII wings tomorrow and was wondering where
most of you put the Anti-Chafe tape.
Thanks
Giovanni Day
MKIII 80566
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