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1. 12:35 AM - Re: Electric Fue Pump Question (Larry Bourne)
2. 05:02 AM - Points or CDI? (flykolb)
3. 06:04 AM - Re: Points or CDI? (Wm2335@aol.com)
4. 06:44 AM - Re: The Jabi flies!!!! (woody)
5. 07:00 AM - Re: Points or CDI? (Olenik Aviation)
6. 07:11 AM - 447 high EGT (Guy Morgan)
7. 07:38 AM - Storing a Rotax 2 stroke (Icrashrc@aol.com)
8. 07:39 AM - Re: 447 high EGT (Olenik Aviation)
9. 07:46 AM - Re: Points or CDI? (Richard Pike)
10. 08:09 AM - Re: 447 high EGT (Guy Morgan)
11. 08:15 AM - Re: 447 high EGT (Fackler, Ken)
12. 08:49 AM - 582 on a FSII??? (Richard Pike)
13. 01:56 PM - Re: Electric Fue Pump Question (Richard Swiderski)
14. 02:03 PM - 503......582 (Mike Pierzina)
15. 02:15 PM - Re: Points or CDI? (flykolb)
16. 02:28 PM - Re: Electric Fue Pump Question (RD)
17. 02:40 PM - Re: 503......582 (Richard Swiderski)
18. 03:01 PM - Re: Points or CDI? (Dan Charter)
19. 03:01 PM - Re: 447 high EGT (Dan Charter)
20. 03:08 PM - the challenge (robert bean)
21. 03:09 PM - Re: 582 on a FSII??? (Giovanni Day)
22. 04:24 PM - Re: Electric Fue Pump Question (woody)
23. 06:21 PM - Re: 582 on a FSII??? (Richard Pike)
24. 07:18 PM - Fw: Storing a new 447 (Fackler, Ken)
25. 08:04 PM - Re: 582 on a FSII??? (Richard Swiderski)
26. 08:33 PM - Re: 582 on a FSII??? (HShack@aol.com)
27. 08:40 PM - Re: 582 on a FSII??? (HShack@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Fue Pump Question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
If I remember right, you have a carburetor on your engine.........?? If so,
you'd best check to see what fuel pressure you need. Typically, carbs only
need a couple of psi. As I recall, I think my Baja Bug's Webers are seeing
about 3 or 4 psi. High pressure pumps, such as I'm using for Vamoose' fuel
injection give nearly 60 psi, and would pump your engine full of gas in a
hurry. Fuel injection needs a return loop, far as I know, and carburetted
engines don't............but I wouldn't put money against that. Any
news on your re-drive yet ?? Sweaty Lar, cookin' in 112
in the shade.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@isp.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Electric Fue Pump Question
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@isp.com>
>
>
> Kolbers,
>
> Anyone know of an electric high pressure fuel pump that does not
> require a return fuel line? Typically that is how they cool themselves.
I
> thought maybe there's one that starts & stops on demand. The reason I am
> asking is that I want to install a fuel monitoring gauge but they require
an
> extra flow sensor for the return fuel flow & that adds $300 to the cost.
> Thanks, Richard Swiderski
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
Kolbers,
I have a Rotax 532 with point ignition and am thinking about going to CDI. One
person recommends the switch and another says it would be a mistake, that points
are more reliable than the aftermarket CDI. Any one with comments and/or experience
with this?
Jim
Mark III
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| Subject: | Re: Points or CDI? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Wm2335@aol.com
I am running a CDI conversion on my 83 t-bird.....After 3 failed in-flight
ignition failures....the next time I will go back to points......Steve Beatty in
Arizona is the one who has supplied my CDI....Japanese ignition....
By the way, all of the failures were internal at the coil......had to use the
high heat locktite to install......Yes, it is still in there...
John Williamson, I am still building Kolbra #4......Powdercoating
complete...stay tuned...and thanks to Paul Petty for the pics..
Wayne McCullough
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| Subject: | Re: The Jabi flies!!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
I did not do a full power runup but I had more than adequate power. It
took a couple hundred feet to take off and climbed at 900 fpm. I would have
noticed if I had less than adequate power well before takeoff. I was not
worried about getting around the patch. The EIS came with the engine and
Dallas Sheppard had them running together. The wood (non adjustable) prop
came off a Jabi and was mounted on a Titan
Are you on line Dallas ??
----- Original Message -----
From: "jerb" <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: The Jabi flies!!!!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>
> Ouch, you didn't check your RPM at full power before doing a first
> flight. If it is as low as you have indicated, you may have just lucked
> out to make it around the field - same to make sure you wouldn't have over
> revved the engine just to make it around the field.
> Do you have an EIS that matching the "type" of engine your running and
type
> and number of pulses it produces per revolution. Assuming you have one
> that will work for the Jabiru, you may need to set the number of pulses
per
> revolution in the setup screen for it to read properly.
> jerb
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Olenik Aviation" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
The biggest deal about going to an aftermarket mod like that is that you
will be throwing the most valuable part of owning a Rotax out the window.
The biggest advantage of the Rotax engine is the support network, but the
support networks mostly will not support an engine that has had such a
conversion. Its just like owning a snowmobile conversion engine at that
point as far as the support network goes.
Tom Olenik
Olenik Aviation - Supplying the lighter side of sport aviation.
Level III Repair Station for Rotax Aircraft Engines
Dealer for Summit Powered Parachutes
http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
Toll Free: 877-AIR-MOTORS
Buy from a dealer who can support what they sell......
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of flykolb
Subject: Kolb-List: Points or CDI?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
Kolbers,
I have a Rotax 532 with point ignition and am thinking about going to CDI.
One person recommends the switch and another says it would be a mistake,
that points are more reliable than the aftermarket CDI. Any one with
comments and/or experience with this?
Jim
Mark III
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| Subject: | lb-List:447 high EGT |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
Hey Kolbers. Has anyone tried the fix that Tom Olenik talks about on UFRadio for
the 447 high EGT's? I think I'm gonna try it, but I need some more info. What
type of lapping compound do you use? Did the fix help for the mid-range high
EGT? I'm a turbine guy by trade and don't have much recip experience, so I'm
leary of doing this. Don't want to screw anything up on my baby.
Guy Morgan
Galveston, TX Firefly
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| Subject: | Storing a Rotax 2 stroke |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Icrashrc@aol.com
How long can a new in the crate Rotax 447 be safely stored?
I'm thinking a garage in northern Indiana, not a swamp in Florida. :-)
Thanks,
Scott Thompson
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| Subject: | : Kolb-List:447 high EGT |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Olenik Aviation" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
Here is the feedback from the person who called into the radio show:
"Tom,
In case you didn't notice when I talked to you about this the other day, I
was just a bit skeptical. My thoughts on this were what kind of voo doo crap
is this?
I tried it yesterday, and after a bit of rubbing, the temps still shot up,
but not as fast, so I said hmmn, this might work. It was so windy though
that I decided to finish another day. Today, I took the jet needle out,
rubbed on it some more, put it back in & tried it, and the temps were OK.
Still went into the mid 1100 range, (1140-1150) so I saw that it worked.
Amazing to me anyway that something like that would solve it. Thanks.
Regards,
Phil"
Tom Olenik
Olenik Aviation - Supplying the lighter side of sport aviation.
Level III Repair Station for Rotax Aircraft Engines
Dealer for Summit Powered Parachutes
http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
Toll Free: 877-AIR-MOTORS
Buy from a dealer who can support what they sell......
(DO NOT USE THIS E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR DIRECT E-MAIL. WE WILL NEVER SEE IT.
USE THE ABOVE CONTACT INFORMATION TO CONTACT US DIRECTLY)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Guy Morgan
Subject: Kolb-List:447 high EGT
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
Hey Kolbers. Has anyone tried the fix that Tom Olenik talks about on UFRadio
for the 447 high EGT's? I think I'm gonna try it, but I need some more info.
What type of lapping compound do you use? Did the fix help for the mid-range
high EGT? I'm a turbine guy by trade and don't have much recip experience,
so I'm leary of doing this. Don't want to screw anything up on my baby.
Guy Morgan
Galveston, TX Firefly
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| Subject: | Re: Points or CDI? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
I have used both the stock point ignition and the aftermarket unit by
Airscrew Performance on a 532, here is my opinion, for what it's worth.
The stock point ignition is good, but be very careful where you get the
points from. I got one set of points from Airstar Discount Sales and the
premature wear was incredible, the engine actually lost power during the
course of the day. Unfortunately, this was in the middle of a cross country
from Tennessee to Oshkosh. Ever try to reset your only set of points on a
Kolb pusher at noon in the Illinois sun? Leaning across the top of the
wing? Trying to see into the bowels of the magneto through the flywheel
cutouts? Whee... I occasionally use non-aircraft parts like gaskets and
such from SeaDoos and SkiDoos in my engines, but some things should never
be substituted, and only come from reliable sources, learned that one the
hard way.
Aside from that, points were reliable.
The ignition from Airscrew Performance worked as advertised, it had a
glitch one year, developed a very slight misfire. Took several phone calls,
but Steve Beatty was able to troubleshoot the system long distance and come
up with a simple fix.
Bottom line, go with the advice from Tom Olenik, if I had it to do over, I
would probably keep the stock ignition because it is such a known quantity
and very easy to trouble shoot.
One thought - the coil wiring hookup on the 532 points ignition is opposite
from the way the 377, 447 and 503 are wired, be careful using generic Rotax
ignition wiring diagrams. It will run wired backwards, but not very well,
just enough to go sick at the wrong time and almost kill you. Guess how I
know this? Be sure you follow a wiring hookup diagram specific to the 532.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 08:05 AM 8/9/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
>
>Kolbers,
>
>I have a Rotax 532 with point ignition and am thinking about going to CDI.
>One person recommends the switch and another says it would be a mistake,
>that points are more reliable than the aftermarket CDI. Any one with
>comments and/or experience with this?
>
>Jim
>Mark III
>
>
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| Subject: | : Kolb-List:447 high EGT |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
Hi Tom,
Thanks for the feedback. I'm a little dense when it comes to carbs, so please excuse
my ignorance. Do you use a heavy or fine compound? I listened to the radio
show and you said to run the engine 'till the EGT goes up then cut it off at
that point without moving the throttle. Do you then pull the needle out and
polish it?
Guy
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:447 high EGT |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
What exactly IS the fix that we're discussing here? I have no problems with
temps myself but I know a couple of guys who do.
-Ken Fackler
----- Original Message -----
From: "Olenik Aviation" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List:447 high EGT
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Olenik Aviation"
<olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
>
> Here is the feedback from the person who called into the radio show:
>
> "Tom,
> In case you didn't notice when I talked to you about this the other day, I
> was just a bit skeptical. My thoughts on this were what kind of voo doo
crap
> is this?
> I tried it yesterday, and after a bit of rubbing, the temps still shot up,
> but not as fast, so I said hmmn, this might work. It was so windy though
> that I decided to finish another day. Today, I took the jet needle out,
> rubbed on it some more, put it back in & tried it, and the temps were OK.
> Still went into the mid 1100 range, (1140-1150) so I saw that it worked.
> Amazing to me anyway that something like that would solve it. Thanks.
> Regards,
> Phil"
>
> Tom Olenik
> Olenik Aviation - Supplying the lighter side of sport aviation.
> Level III Repair Station for Rotax Aircraft Engines
> Dealer for Summit Powered Parachutes
> http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
> Toll Free: 877-AIR-MOTORS
> Buy from a dealer who can support what they sell......
> (DO NOT USE THIS E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR DIRECT E-MAIL. WE WILL NEVER SEE IT.
> USE THE ABOVE CONTACT INFORMATION TO CONTACT US DIRECTLY)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Guy Morgan
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List:447 high EGT
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Hey Kolbers. Has anyone tried the fix that Tom Olenik talks about on
UFRadio
> for the 447 high EGT's? I think I'm gonna try it, but I need some more
info.
> What type of lapping compound do you use? Did the fix help for the
mid-range
> high EGT? I'm a turbine guy by trade and don't have much recip experience,
> so I'm leary of doing this. Don't want to screw anything up on my baby.
>
>
> Guy Morgan
>
>
> Galveston, TX Firefly
>
>
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| Subject: | 582 on a FSII??? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Got a question for some FSII owners - or anybody else who knows more than I
do (Don't everybody answer at once!!)
Just had an offer to swap a low time 582 for the 503 we are putting on the
FSII we are building. Given that we will not use the excess horsepower in a
stupid way, and that we might have some minor weight and balance
considerations, are there any structural or other reasons that would make
this swap a bad idea?
Thanks,
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Electric Fue Pump Question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@isp.com>
Hey Larry,
No, I have multi-port injection & need a regulated 38 psi constant
pressure. I too have never seen an on-demand high pressure fuel pump, but I
am still hoping!
I just got an email today about my redrive. It made it from Ukraine
to FL, but was sent to wrong address. Its getting closer. If the heat
keeps up in CA, I may have a chance of avoiding the stigma of being beat
into the air by Big Lar. Now that I properly insulted you, would you mind
emailing me your number so I can ask you a simple question about your photo
program? Thanks. ... Richard Swiderski
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bourne
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Electric Fue Pump Question
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
If I remember right, you have a carburetor on your engine.........?? If so,
you'd best check to see what fuel pressure you need. Typically, carbs only
need a couple of psi. As I recall, I think my Baja Bug's Webers are seeing
about 3 or 4 psi. High pressure pumps, such as I'm using for Vamoose' fuel
injection give nearly 60 psi, and would pump your engine full of gas in a
hurry. Fuel injection needs a return loop, far as I know, and carburetted
engines don't............but I wouldn't put money against that. Any
news on your re-drive yet ?? Sweaty Lar, cookin' in 112
in the shade.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@isp.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Electric Fue Pump Question
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@isp.com>
>
>
> Kolbers,
>
> Anyone know of an electric high pressure fuel pump that does not
> require a return fuel line? Typically that is how they cool themselves.
I
> thought maybe there's one that starts & stops on demand. The reason I am
> asking is that I want to install a fuel monitoring gauge but they require
an
> extra flow sensor for the return fuel flow & that adds $300 to the cost.
> Thanks, Richard Swiderski
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hi Richard,
I asked a similar question a couple of years ago because I already
had a 582......I didn't get ANY response, so I went with a 503.
But the way their stickin those monsters on the Mark III's and others......like
you said as long as you don't go "MAD" with power, I would think you would
be better off , lower RPM , rotary valve, water cooled......?
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN FSII/N381PM
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and build your wings on the way down...
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| Subject: | Re: Points or CDI? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
Thanks to Richard, Wayne, and Tom for your replies. I think I will stick
with the points system!
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Points or CDI?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> I have used both the stock point ignition and the aftermarket unit by
> Airscrew Performance on a 532, here is my opinion, for what it's worth.
>
> The stock point ignition is good, but be very careful where you get the
> points from. I got one set of points from Airstar Discount Sales and the
> premature wear was incredible, the engine actually lost power during the
> course of the day. Unfortunately, this was in the middle of a cross
country
> from Tennessee to Oshkosh. Ever try to reset your only set of points on a
> Kolb pusher at noon in the Illinois sun? Leaning across the top of the
> wing? Trying to see into the bowels of the magneto through the flywheel
> cutouts? Whee... I occasionally use non-aircraft parts like gaskets and
> such from SeaDoos and SkiDoos in my engines, but some things should never
> be substituted, and only come from reliable sources, learned that one the
> hard way.
> Aside from that, points were reliable.
> The ignition from Airscrew Performance worked as advertised, it had a
> glitch one year, developed a very slight misfire. Took several phone
calls,
> but Steve Beatty was able to troubleshoot the system long distance and
come
> up with a simple fix.
>
> Bottom line, go with the advice from Tom Olenik, if I had it to do over, I
> would probably keep the stock ignition because it is such a known quantity
> and very easy to trouble shoot.
>
> One thought - the coil wiring hookup on the 532 points ignition is
opposite
> from the way the 377, 447 and 503 are wired, be careful using generic
Rotax
> ignition wiring diagrams. It will run wired backwards, but not very well,
> just enough to go sick at the wrong time and almost kill you. Guess how I
> know this? Be sure you follow a wiring hookup diagram specific to the 532.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> At 08:05 AM 8/9/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
> >
> >Kolbers,
> >
> >I have a Rotax 532 with point ignition and am thinking about going to
CDI.
> >One person recommends the switch and another says it would be a mistake,
> >that points are more reliable than the aftermarket CDI. Any one with
> >comments and/or experience with this?
> >
> >Jim
> >Mark III
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Electric Fue Pump Question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "RD" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
No, I have multi-port injection & need a regulated 38 psi constant pressure.
I too have never seen an on-demand high pressure fuel pump, but I am still
hoping!
------------------
Hi Richard,
A guy on the rotary list mentioned that some new cars are coming with
returnless injection systems. We also wondered what sort of pump they were
using, but never found any details.
There are a few folks who are not returning fuel to the tank, but instead to
a small header tank that's ahead of the EFI pump. This has it's own
drawbacks from a standpoint of heat buildup, particularly on tightly cowled
planes, but is sometimes the lesser evil when compared to running a line all
the way back to the tank. These folks can use one flow sensor in the line
from the tank, before the header tank.
Finally, if you know someone who's a wiz with electronics, you can do what
Tracy Crook does with his engine monitor (EM-2). Rather than using flow
sensors, you measure the pulse width of the injectors, and calculate the
flow from that. Once you tweak it in, it's remarkably accurate.
Cheers,
Rusty (used to have a SS, sniff, sniff)
PS- feeling sorry for me yet :-)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@isp.com>
Richard,
I got jumped on in the past for offering Mile's opinion. The FS II
has the same wing as the TwinStar & Mk II. There are quite a few of them
with unauthorized 532/582 engines. Apparently, one or more have come up
with cracks in the engine mount area. I personally would do it, knowing
that "I" was judiciously controlling the power & keeping an extra eye out
for problems in the engine mount area. Clearly, you would have the
potential to harm/exceed your plane's structure that you wouldn't have with
the 503. You should find lots of discussion in the archives on this.
Richard Swiderski
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Pierzina
Subject: Kolb-List: 503......582
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hi Richard,
I asked a similar question a couple of years ago because I
already had a 582......I didn't get ANY response, so I went with a 503.
But the way their stickin those monsters on the Mark III's and
others......like you said as long as you don't go "MAD" with power, I would
think you would be better off , lower RPM , rotary valve, water
cooled......?
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN FSII/N381PM
do not archive
My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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| Subject: | Re: Points or CDI? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
Points will normally get you home or to a safe landing area if something
goes bad. When a CDI goes bad, You're going to land right then. Do not
archive.
Dan Charter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Points or CDI?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> I have used both the stock point ignition and the aftermarket unit by
> Airscrew Performance on a 532, here is my opinion, for what it's worth.
>
> The stock point ignition is good, but be very careful where you get the
> points from. I got one set of points from Airstar Discount Sales and the
> premature wear was incredible, the engine actually lost power during the
> course of the day. Unfortunately, this was in the middle of a cross
country
> from Tennessee to Oshkosh. Ever try to reset your only set of points on a
> Kolb pusher at noon in the Illinois sun? Leaning across the top of the
> wing? Trying to see into the bowels of the magneto through the flywheel
> cutouts? Whee... I occasionally use non-aircraft parts like gaskets and
> such from SeaDoos and SkiDoos in my engines, but some things should never
> be substituted, and only come from reliable sources, learned that one the
> hard way.
> Aside from that, points were reliable.
> The ignition from Airscrew Performance worked as advertised, it had a
> glitch one year, developed a very slight misfire. Took several phone
calls,
> but Steve Beatty was able to troubleshoot the system long distance and
come
> up with a simple fix.
>
> Bottom line, go with the advice from Tom Olenik, if I had it to do over, I
> would probably keep the stock ignition because it is such a known quantity
> and very easy to trouble shoot.
>
> One thought - the coil wiring hookup on the 532 points ignition is
opposite
> from the way the 377, 447 and 503 are wired, be careful using generic
Rotax
> ignition wiring diagrams. It will run wired backwards, but not very well,
> just enough to go sick at the wrong time and almost kill you. Guess how I
> know this? Be sure you follow a wiring hookup diagram specific to the 532.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> At 08:05 AM 8/9/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
> >
> >Kolbers,
> >
> >I have a Rotax 532 with point ignition and am thinking about going to
CDI.
> >One person recommends the switch and another says it would be a mistake,
> >that points are more reliable than the aftermarket CDI. Any one with
> >comments and/or experience with this?
> >
> >Jim
> >Mark III
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:447 high EGT |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
It really doesn't matter what your gauges read. What do your plugs show? Get
your plugs to where you want them and use your gauges for set points. If
there's a change all of a sudden then you know something is changing with
your engine. My 377 runs at 1150-1175 all the time at 4600rpm's. The plugs
are perfect. My 2 cents. Do not archive.
Dan Charter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List:447 high EGT
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
>
> What exactly IS the fix that we're discussing here? I have no problems
with
> temps myself but I know a couple of guys who do.
>
> -Ken Fackler
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Olenik Aviation" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List:447 high EGT
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Olenik Aviation"
> <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
> >
> > Here is the feedback from the person who called into the radio show:
> >
> > "Tom,
> > In case you didn't notice when I talked to you about this the other day,
I
> > was just a bit skeptical. My thoughts on this were what kind of voo doo
> crap
> > is this?
> > I tried it yesterday, and after a bit of rubbing, the temps still shot
up,
> > but not as fast, so I said hmmn, this might work. It was so windy though
> > that I decided to finish another day. Today, I took the jet needle out,
> > rubbed on it some more, put it back in & tried it, and the temps were
OK.
> > Still went into the mid 1100 range, (1140-1150) so I saw that it worked.
> > Amazing to me anyway that something like that would solve it. Thanks.
> > Regards,
> > Phil"
> >
> > Tom Olenik
> > Olenik Aviation - Supplying the lighter side of sport aviation.
> > Level III Repair Station for Rotax Aircraft Engines
> > Dealer for Summit Powered Parachutes
> > http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
> > Toll Free: 877-AIR-MOTORS
> > Buy from a dealer who can support what they sell......
> > (DO NOT USE THIS E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR DIRECT E-MAIL. WE WILL NEVER SEE
IT.
> > USE THE ABOVE CONTACT INFORMATION TO CONTACT US DIRECTLY)
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Guy Morgan
> > To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kolb-List:447 high EGT
> >
> >
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> > Hey Kolbers. Has anyone tried the fix that Tom Olenik talks about on
> UFRadio
> > for the 447 high EGT's? I think I'm gonna try it, but I need some more
> info.
> > What type of lapping compound do you use? Did the fix help for the
> mid-range
> > high EGT? I'm a turbine guy by trade and don't have much recip
experience,
> > so I'm leary of doing this. Don't want to screw anything up on my baby.
> >
> >
> > Guy Morgan
> >
> >
> > Galveston, TX Firefly
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Looks like the gloves are off... Swiderski vs Bourne. If the temps
drop below the boiling
point in PS, bigLar might have the edge. Will the first hop take
place at the strip at
the high desert? Lar has valuable acreage up there.
Looking at the string on carb fine-tuning, I have a new respect for the
subject. By far
the most brain taxing portion of doing the suzuki powerplant has been
getting the
mixture curve on my solex to agree with my homebrew induction plumbing.
Only today, blessed with a rare perfect day, have I attained a
combination of jetting
that i can confidently accept for the upcoming test period. -This is
after putting over
10 hours on the tach doing relentless tiedown testing. This is what
you get into
using non-standard everything. BB, MkIIIc, N3851E, yet to pull off
the wings
for transport to the test area in the boonies. do not archive
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| Subject: | 582 on a FSII??? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Richard,
IMHO, the most obvious time your airframe could suffer damage from the
582 is during the startup phase. Most people who have owned a 582 know
there is a time when the engine first starts up that it will vibrate
bad. It will do this until you increase the RPMs enough to "break
through" this vibration. Once it starts, it will idle back down without
it. I read once that is was due to feedback in the B gear box. I really
do not know. I am not sure if the C and E boxes do this as they have a
rubber vibration dampener. As I said IMHO.
Giovanni Day
MKIII 912/N-80566
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike
Subject: Kolb-List: 582 on a FSII???
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Got a question for some FSII owners - or anybody else who knows more
than I
do (Don't everybody answer at once!!)
Just had an offer to swap a low time 582 for the 503 we are putting on
the
FSII we are building. Given that we will not use the excess horsepower
in a
stupid way, and that we might have some minor weight and balance
considerations, are there any structural or other reasons that would
make
this swap a bad idea?
Thanks,
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Fue Pump Question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
> into the air by Big Lar.
I've beat him 3 times, 4 if you count the Jabi conversion. After awhile
its just not fun anymore. Where's the challenge :)
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| Subject: | 582 on a FSII??? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Good point. This 582 has an E box, but I will still keep the idle set up
high, and use a lightweight prop.
Richard pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
At 05:09 PM 8/9/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
>
>Richard,
>
>IMHO, the most obvious time your airframe could suffer damage from the
>582 is during the startup phase. Most people who have owned a 582 know
>there is a time when the engine first starts up that it will vibrate
>bad. It will do this until you increase the RPMs enough to "break
>through" this vibration. Once it starts, it will idle back down without
>it. I read once that is was due to feedback in the B gear box. I really
>do not know. I am not sure if the C and E boxes do this as they have a
>rubber vibration dampener. As I said IMHO.
>
>Giovanni Day
>MKIII 912/N-80566
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: 582 on a FSII???
>
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
>Got a question for some FSII owners - or anybody else who knows more
>than I
>do (Don't everybody answer at once!!)
>
>Just had an offer to swap a low time 582 for the 503 we are putting on
>the
>FSII we are building. Given that we will not use the excess horsepower
>in a
>stupid way, and that we might have some minor weight and balance
>considerations, are there any structural or other reasons that would
>make
>this swap a bad idea?
>
>Thanks,
>Richard Pike
>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
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| Subject: | Fw: Storing a new 447 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
I asked a friend of mine about this who is an Authorized Rotax Repair Station and
very well thought of in these parts as "one smart guy." Here's his answer:
----- Original Message -----
From: S.A.
Subject: Re: Storing a new 447
In the house would be better for it. Closet floor or such. He would be good to
store it for a couple years, down side is the warranty. If the engine is not used
they will extend it like to I think 18 months. Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Fackler, Ken
To: Adamczak, Steve
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:15 AM
Subject: Storing a new 447
A guy on the Kolb list is considering the engine exchange for his 447 but wants
to know how long a new one in the shipping crate can be safely stored. The
environment is a garage in Northern Indiana.
Got any thoughts?
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
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| Subject: | 582 on a FSII??? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@isp.com>
Giovanni,
My 582 with B drive did not go thru the vibration shaking stage on
startup. The reason (I believe) is that it was a conversion from a SeaDoo
watercraft. On that engine, Rotax used the Nipendenso ignition system. It
has a timing curve built in where the ignition timing is retarded at lower
rpms & only goes to full advance later. All or most Rotax/Bombardeer
engines use Nipensenso. For unknown reasons (probably for same reason they
switched to Bing Carbs-- because Micuni ,?spelling?, refused to sell their
carbs for aircraft use.)their aircraft engines use Ducati which does not
have a timing curve. All the aircraft Rotax versions only fire at full
advance, that is why they have the shakes at startup & shutdown. Airscrew
Performance's conversion throws out the Ducati & replaces it with Nipendenso
for that reason. The bigger rotaxes & the big bore 277 are harder hitting.
I agree the rubber dampner should lesson the effect. ...Richard Swiderski
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Giovanni Day
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: 582 on a FSII???
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Richard,
IMHO, the most obvious time your airframe could suffer damage from the
582 is during the startup phase. Most people who have owned a 582 know
there is a time when the engine first starts up that it will vibrate
bad. It will do this until you increase the RPMs enough to "break
through" this vibration. Once it starts, it will idle back down without
it. I read once that is was due to feedback in the B gear box. I really
do not know. I am not sure if the C and E boxes do this as they have a
rubber vibration dampener. As I said IMHO.
Giovanni Day
MKIII 912/N-80566
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| Subject: | Re: 582 on a FSII??? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 8/9/2004 9:21:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
richard@bcchapel.org writes:
Good point. This 582 has an E box, but I will still keep the idle set up
high, and use a lightweight prop.
Richard pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Depending on how much the pilot weighs, the FS II does not like much more
than 105 lbs on the engine mount. E box means electric start? The E box,
starter, radiator & coolant might affect your weight & balance adversely.
Maybe you could weigh everything before you put it on.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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| Subject: | Re: 582 on a FSII??? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 8/9/2004 11:05:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
swiderski@isp.com writes:
IMHO, the most obvious time your airframe could suffer damage from the
582 is during the startup phase. Most people who have owned a 582 know
there is a time when the engine first starts up that it will vibrate
bad. It will do this until you increase the RPMs enough to "break
through" this vibration. Once it starts, it will idle back down without
it. I read once that is was due to feedback in the B gear box. I really
do not know. I am not sure if the C and E boxes do this as they have a
rubber vibration dampener. As I said IMHO.
If you had a C box instead of an E, you could install the clutch which gives
very smooth startups (even with the Ducatti ignition).
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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