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1. 05:43 AM - Re: intro test (Thom Riddle)
2. 07:38 AM - Nice Week End (Jack & Louise Hart)
3. 08:19 AM - Re: intro test (PATRICK LADD)
4. 08:45 AM - Re: intro test - Heavy Ailerons (Jack & Louise Hart)
5. 09:29 AM - (PATRICK LADD)
6. 11:24 AM - Re: Nice Week End (bryan green)
7. 12:28 PM - Re: intro test (woody)
8. 12:29 PM - Re: Nice Week End (woody)
9. 01:36 PM - Check list (Mike Pierzina)
10. 02:10 PM - Re: Nice Week End (Jack & Louise Hart)
11. 03:50 PM - Re: Check list (Paul Petty)
12. 10:02 PM - Re: Re: "New" Firefly for sale message of Sat, 7 Aug 2004 23:56:34 -0700 (Denny Rowe)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
Pat,
Welcome.
What part of the UK do you hail from. My son-in-law is from Carlisle.
Thom Riddle
Early Firestar 377
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
Kolbers,
Yesterday was the first FireFly EAA Chapter 453 cross country since the
cutting of the prop tips and the change in the flaperon handle. Flew
straight down from K02 to Painton, and on the return, I flew east to the
Mississippi River and followed it north to pass by/over the new suspension
bridge at Cape Girardeau. North of Cape I flew directly to K02. All of
this took place from about 11:30 am to 5:30 pm, so the thermals were
banging, and it was great fun. A cold front had come through so I wore an
old sweat shirt to keep warm. It was cool enough that I should have worn a
neck sock. Passed by very close to several red tail hawks that were hanging
stationary in thermals at about 2,000 feet
agl.
Flew about 2.5 hours and it made me a believer in tapering the propeller
tips. The noise level is so low that with regular head phones the noise is
reduced to a very comfortable level. The noise does not wear you out.
Also, I used the flaperons twice while landing and taking off. Since I can
easily reach the handle, I have become a believer in using one notch for
landing. It lets one make a steeper approach over obstacles, reduces ground
effect float in cold air, and the FireFly three points at a slower speed
without banging the tail wheel first.
Ran some numbers through the AeroDesign Propeller Selector to see what would
happen if I added a third blade to the propeller and kept the thrust, air
speed, and engine speed constant. I found that propeller pitch would change
from 19 to 15 degrees, so it should be a little quieter. Also propeller
efficiency would increase from 66.4 to 72.9 percent, and the engine hp
required to turn the prop would drop from 22.5 to 20.5 hp. I will call IVO
and purchase another blade. On yesterdays trip, I had an overall fuel burn
of 2.14 gph with the EGT reading 1,225. The third blade may get the fuel
burn below 2 gph, but I will have to get some weigh off the
FireFly.
What fun!
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
do not archive
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Hi, all
I finally made it. Thanks to everyone who posted welcome messages. Although
I have been unable to post I have been receiving posts for a fortnight.
(Thats two weeks ) so I feel that I have already met some of you.
You inhabit a very different world in the US and I don`t mean just the
weather. The things which you seem able to do to your a/c would constitute a
major mod. here in the UK and would require official approval, which in
general is a long process.
On the other hand the introduction of `Section S` has laid down some pretty
tight parameters regarding construction and the establishment of what
constitutes a `microlight`(as we call them) are now agreed (pretty well)
throughout Europe..
The main limiting factors are MAUW, low stalling speed and low wing loading.
The best move has been the acknowledgment that pilots who generally fly VFR
do not need to be of astronaut standard medically. The requirement that
pilots need an annual medical by an `approved` medical examiner (Cost from
150) has been changed and now if you can pass the medical requirement for a
Class 2 ( generally small vans) drivers license you can get signed off by
your own doctor. Cost around 15.
As instructed, here is a potted history.
I learned to fly in gliders harrumped years ago, going solo in a copy of a
1930 German open cockpit machine and ending with a 19 metre wingspan plastic
hot ship. Broke my leg hang gliding. Learned microlighting in a Quicksilver,
bought a Thruster, the most prolific type in the UK, built a Challenger in
91 which I still fly but have been flying one of the new breed hot ship for
the last year. A `Eurostar`. Two seat side by side, fully enclosed canopy,
all metal low wing machine with a Rotax 912. Easy cruise at 100 mph at 11
litres per hour with 2 up.Along the way I have acquired some time, strictly
P2, in Tiger Moths, Piper Colt, Harvards (T6 to you) and a whole glorious
hour in the Mustang `Crazy Horse` at Kissimmee.
I have recently sold my share in the Eurostar to my partner and last night I
put down a deposit on Classic111 Extra. with a Jabiru.
This combination has not yet been `approved` so info is a little scarce.
Anyone with experience of the Xtra with the Jabi who can supply me with some
actual performance figures, please do so. I shall be very grateful.
Subject to my dealer getting a couple more orders to make up a three ship
crate for shipping to the UK and no unforseen problems with `approvals` I
hope to be flying the Kolb in the Spring.
I did actually fly the dealers Xtra with a 582 and liked very much the good
visibility which I am used to in gliders and the Challenger. Found the
ailerons VERY heavy. Is this a Kolb characteristic or just the Classic?
I promise to keep later posts to a more reasonable length.
Great to be among you
Pat (By the way, I shall be 75 at the end of the month)
pj.ladd@btinternet.com
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| Subject: | Re: intro test - Heavy Ailerons |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 03:00 PM 8/16/04 +0100, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
......................
>I did actually fly the dealers Xtra with a 582 and liked very much the good
>visibility which I am used to in gliders and the Challenger. Found the
>ailerons VERY heavy. Is this a Kolb characteristic or just the Classic?
>
>I promise to keep later posts to a more reasonable length.
>
>Great to be among you
>
>Pat (By the way, I shall be 75 at the end of the month)
>
Pat,
It is not an Xtra, but if you would like to see how FireFly heavy ailerons
were made finger light, take a look at:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly26.html
With these modifications and VG's it is a delight to fly any time one open
the hangar doors.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Hi all
Sorry that I have made a mess of this and my main post has been sent as an attachement.
Will try to do better!
Cheers,
Pat
pj.ladd@btinternet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Nice Week End |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Thanks for the report Jack let us know how the third blade works out. Do not
archive
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack & Louise Hart" <jbhart@ldd.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Nice Week End
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
>
> Kolbers,
>
> Yesterday was the first FireFly EAA Chapter 453 cross country since the
> cutting of the prop tips and the change in the flaperon handle. Flew
> straight down from K02 to Painton, and on the return, I flew east to the
> Mississippi River and followed it north to pass by/over the new suspension
> bridge at Cape Girardeau. North of Cape I flew directly to K02. All of
> this took place from about 11:30 am to 5:30 pm, so the thermals were
> banging, and it was great fun. A cold front had come through so I wore an
> old sweat shirt to keep warm. It was cool enough that I should have worn
a
> neck sock. Passed by very close to several red tail hawks that were
hanging
> stationary in thermals at about 2,000 feet
> agl.
>
> Flew about 2.5 hours and it made me a believer in tapering the propeller
> tips. The noise level is so low that with regular head phones the noise
is
> reduced to a very comfortable level. The noise does not wear you out.
> Also, I used the flaperons twice while landing and taking off. Since I
can
> easily reach the handle, I have become a believer in using one notch for
> landing. It lets one make a steeper approach over obstacles, reduces
ground
> effect float in cold air, and the FireFly three points at a slower speed
> without banging the tail wheel first.
>
> Ran some numbers through the AeroDesign Propeller Selector to see what
would
> happen if I added a third blade to the propeller and kept the thrust, air
> speed, and engine speed constant. I found that propeller pitch would
change
> from 19 to 15 degrees, so it should be a little quieter. Also propeller
> efficiency would increase from 66.4 to 72.9 percent, and the engine hp
> required to turn the prop would drop from 22.5 to 20.5 hp. I will call
IVO
> and purchase another blade. On yesterdays trip, I had an overall fuel
burn
> of 2.14 gph with the EGT reading 1,225. The third blade may get the fuel
> burn below 2 gph, but I will have to get some weigh off the
> FireFly.
>
> What fun!
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Jackson, MO
>
> do not archive
>
>
> Jack & Louise Hart
> jbhart@ldd.net
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Are you buyinf a classic or an extra? I just started flying the Jabi on a
classic but my aiorfoil is different so It will give different results.
Ailerons are heavy on the Mk111's and you will also find the aircraft wants
to turn left. You get used to it. If you are used to a Challenger the Kolb
is going to be a pleasant surprise. Very stable and it goes straight through
the air without wandering around like the Challenger.
----- Original Message -----
From: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: intro test
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
> Hi, all
> I finally made it. Thanks to everyone who posted welcome messages.
Although
> I have been unable to post I have been receiving posts for a fortnight.
> (Thats two weeks ) so I feel that I have already met some of you.
>
> You inhabit a very different world in the US and I don`t mean just the
> weather. The things which you seem able to do to your a/c would constitute
a
> major mod. here in the UK and would require official approval, which in
> general is a long process.
> On the other hand the introduction of `Section S` has laid down some
pretty
> tight parameters regarding construction and the establishment of what
> constitutes a `microlight`(as we call them) are now agreed (pretty well)
> throughout Europe..
> The main limiting factors are MAUW, low stalling speed and low wing
loading.
> The best move has been the acknowledgment that pilots who generally fly
VFR
> do not need to be of astronaut standard medically. The requirement that
> pilots need an annual medical by an `approved` medical examiner (Cost from
> 150) has been changed and now if you can pass the medical requirement for
a
> Class 2 ( generally small vans) drivers license you can get signed off by
> your own doctor. Cost around 15.
>
> As instructed, here is a potted history.
> I learned to fly in gliders harrumped years ago, going solo in a copy of a
> 1930 German open cockpit machine and ending with a 19 metre wingspan
plastic
> hot ship. Broke my leg hang gliding. Learned microlighting in a
Quicksilver,
> bought a Thruster, the most prolific type in the UK, built a Challenger in
> 91 which I still fly but have been flying one of the new breed hot ship
for
> the last year. A `Eurostar`. Two seat side by side, fully enclosed canopy,
> all metal low wing machine with a Rotax 912. Easy cruise at 100 mph at 11
> litres per hour with 2 up.Along the way I have acquired some time,
strictly
> P2, in Tiger Moths, Piper Colt, Harvards (T6 to you) and a whole glorious
> hour in the Mustang `Crazy Horse` at Kissimmee.
> I have recently sold my share in the Eurostar to my partner and last night
I
> put down a deposit on Classic111 Extra. with a Jabiru.
> This combination has not yet been `approved` so info is a little scarce.
> Anyone with experience of the Xtra with the Jabi who can supply me with
some
> actual performance figures, please do so. I shall be very grateful.
> Subject to my dealer getting a couple more orders to make up a three ship
> crate for shipping to the UK and no unforseen problems with `approvals` I
> hope to be flying the Kolb in the Spring.
> I did actually fly the dealers Xtra with a 582 and liked very much the
good
> visibility which I am used to in gliders and the Challenger. Found the
> ailerons VERY heavy. Is this a Kolb characteristic or just the Classic?
>
> I promise to keep later posts to a more reasonable length.
>
> Great to be among you
>
> Pat (By the way, I shall be 75 at the end of the month)
>
> pj.ladd@btinternet.com
>
>
> ---
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nice Week End |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
>
> Flew about 2.5 hours and it made me a believer in tapering the propeller
> tips.
I remember the thread on the tips but I forget which way you tapered
them. Is The trailing edge shorter now or the leading edge.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
I'm trying to make a check list...I should have one ready before the guy comes
to inspect my plane for airworthiness...
I saw a guy that had one on the kolb builders site...but they don't have it
up right now....does anybody remember that guys web site,it was a blue,white,and
gray paint job on his Firestar....
Or does somebody else have one that I could look at...?
mike
do not archive
My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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| Subject: | Re: Nice Week End |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 03:35 PM 8/16/04 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
>
>>
>> Flew about 2.5 hours and it made me a believer in tapering the propeller
>> tips.
>
> I remember the thread on the tips but I forget which way you tapered
>them. Is The trailing edge shorter now or the leading edge.
>
>
Woody,
The leading edge is shorter so that it keeps the tip vortex from developing.
Take a peek on the bottom of:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly100.html
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Mike,
I have the perfect preflight check list
1.Spectacles
2.Testacles
3.Wallet
4.Watch
5.Check, lets go flying!
Just kidding........
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Check list
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
>
> I'm trying to make a check list...I should have one ready before the guy
comes to inspect my plane for airworthiness...
> I saw a guy that had one on the kolb builders site...but they don't
have it up right now....does anybody remember that guys web site,it was a
blue,white,and gray paint job on his Firestar....
> Or does somebody else have one that I could look at...?
>
> mike
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
> My Web Site:
> http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
>
>
> Sometimes you just have to take the leap
> and build your wings on the way down...
> Gotta Fly...
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "New" Firefly for sale message of Sat, 7 Aug |
2004 23:56:34 -0700
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike and Dixie Shackelford" <dixieshack@webtv.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: "New" Firefly for sale message of Sat, 7 Aug 2004
23:56:34 -0700
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie
Shackelford)
>
> Hey guys, you may want to recontact Ms. Hebb if anyone is
> interested in her husband's Firefly. It needs some elbow grease
> cosmetically and maybe a coat of Cermachrome on the exhaust but don't
> forget, it's never been flown and has a 447.
> Contact her via the list.... I can forward messages and numbers.
> Make her an offer....need I say more.
>
> ps...Mr. Alexander, pat the FSII on the nose for me, willya my friend?
> Hope all is well in Joisey.
>
> Mike in WV
>
> do not archive
>
> Hey,
Isn't this what our intrepid float flying friend Steve B. is looking for?
Denny Rowe
PEE ESS, Float Flying Friend, almost the same as Full Flaps For Landing
(FFFL) eh Bob N?
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