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1. 02:17 AM - Re: intro test (PATRICK LADD)
2. 02:36 AM - Re: intro test (PATRICK LADD)
3. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: "New" Firefly for sale message of Sat, 7 Aug 2004 ... (N27SB@aol.com)
4. 10:52 AM - Re: Check list (Maurice Shettel)
5. 02:14 PM - Sheet Metal Leading Edge (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
6. 06:05 PM - Firefly Washers (herbgh@juno.com)
7. 06:10 PM - Re: Sheet Metal Leading Edge (Larry Bourne)
8. 06:13 PM - Re: Sheet Metal Leading Edge (Richard Swiderski)
9. 06:13 PM - Re: Firefly Washers (Larry Bourne)
10. 06:16 PM - Wing angle adjustment (H MITCHELL)
11. 06:41 PM - Re: Mk III Engine Swap- 582 to 912S (HShack@aol.com)
12. 06:50 PM - Re: Firefly Washers (herbgh@juno.com)
13. 06:55 PM - Re: Firefly Washers (Don Gherardini)
14. 07:06 PM - Re: Mk III Engine Swap- 582 to 912S (Giovanni Day)
15. 07:25 PM - Re: Sheet Metal Leading Edge (possums)
16. 07:34 PM - Re: Firefly Washers (Charlie England)
17. 07:42 PM - Re: Firefly Washers (herbgh@juno.com)
18. 08:35 PM - Wing drag strut & end fitting loose (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
19. 09:04 PM - Re: Sheet Metal Leading Edge (Larry Bourne)
20. 09:06 PM - Re: Sheet Metal Leading Edge (Larry Bourne)
21. 09:12 PM - Re: Firefly Washers (Larry Bourne)
22. 09:30 PM - Re: Wing drag strut & end fitting loose (Larry Bourne)
23. 09:35 PM - Re: Firefly Washers (Larry Bourne)
24. 10:31 PM - Fly cutter for the Instrument panel hole (WillUribe@aol.com)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
What part of the UK do you hail from>>
Hi Thom,
a long way from Carlisle. I live near Bath.
25 miles from Stonehenge. Every American seems to know where that is.
A small town on the edge of the Cotswolds, very pretty and fjull of
tourists.
Cheers
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Are you buyinf a classic or an extra? >>
Hi Woody,
I have ordered an Xtra.
Mine will have a new airofoil in that there is a metal sheet from the
leading edge (I dont know its width) under the fabric which will smooth out
the scalloped effect between the ribs. This should straighten out the
airflow, and hopefully increase the lift a bit.
Is this what yours has?
I am pretty used to a bootful of rudder to get the Challenger going round
but the roll force needed on the Xtra surprised me.
There is a bungee mod for the Challenger to take out the need for right boot
to fly straight, but I have never bothered with it so maybe I shall just
accept the tendency for the Xtra to do the same.
Have you got to the point of establishing cruise speed and consumption yet?
Incidentally I assume that we do not need to put `Do not archive` on off
list posts like this or are all posts routed throught the list?
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: "New" Firefly for sale message of Sat, 7 Aug |
2004 ...
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
Thanks guys for the lead, right now I am just trying to get things running
down here.
Still now power and gas has been scarce and limited internet. Does anyone
know if it was a factory quickbuild?
Thanks
Steve Boetto
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Maurice Shettel" <mshettel@mindspring.com>
Mike, this one?
http://mshettel.home.mindspring.com/
Maurice
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Check list
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
>
> I'm trying to make a check list...I should have one ready before the guy
comes to inspect my plane for airworthiness...
> I saw a guy that had one on the kolb builders site...but they don't
have it up right now....does anybody remember that guys web site,it was a
blue,white,and gray paint job on his Firestar....
> Or does somebody else have one that I could look at...?
>
> mike
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
> My Web Site:
> http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
>
>
> Sometimes you just have to take the leap
> and build your wings on the way down...
> Gotta Fly...
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Sheet Metal Leading Edge |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Is this a factory option now? The feeling in the past was that the sheet
aluminum leading edge was only a cosmetic change to the wing. Seems like I
have heard that there is no extra lift or reduced drag only increased
weight. What do the rest of you think?
This was a post to the whole Kolb group and the "Do Not Archive" is only for
posts that don't need to be saved and this is ok to have saved. Personal
E-mails are ones that should have the DNA.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: intro test
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
> Are you buyinf a classic or an extra? >>
>
> Hi Woody,
>
> I have ordered an Xtra.
> Mine will have a new airofoil in that there is a metal sheet from the
> leading edge (I dont know its width) under the fabric which will smooth
out
> the scalloped effect between the ribs. This should straighten out the
> airflow, and hopefully increase the lift a bit.
> Is this what yours has?
> I am pretty used to a bootful of rudder to get the Challenger going round
> but the roll force needed on the Xtra surprised me.
> There is a bungee mod for the Challenger to take out the need for right
boot
> to fly straight, but I have never bothered with it so maybe I shall just
> accept the tendency for the Xtra to do the same.
> Have you got to the point of establishing cruise speed and consumption
yet?
>
> Incidentally I assume that we do not need to put `Do not archive` on off
> list posts like this or are all posts routed throught the list?
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
Fireflyers
Cannot quite fatom the number and type of washers under the engine
mounting plate and between the plate and the engine. One view is from
the rear and the other is from the side! The book does not say.
The fly is nearly all painted and the tail has been mounted. Going to
install the engine tomorrow and the seat sling and give it a sit test!!
I will fly it in all insignia white and add some trim later this fall.
What are you guys using to bore the instrument holes? Yeah! I know!!
Hole saws!!:-) Is that right? Herb
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| Subject: | Re: Sheet Metal Leading Edge |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
When I started Vamoose, lo these many years ago, I wanted to use the
aluminum under the fabric on the leading edges. Many people, including, as
I recall, Dennis Souder recommended against it - so I didn't do it. They
all said there's no real benefit, and it changed the stall characteristics
negatively. It also dents easily, and is difficult to repair. Maybe the
idea's come full circle now, and they've decided there really is a
benefit.................?? Greater minds than mine are out there in Kolb
Land. Whadda you guys think ?? Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Sheet Metal Leading Edge
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen"
<NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
>
> Is this a factory option now? The feeling in the past was that the sheet
> aluminum leading edge was only a cosmetic change to the wing. Seems like I
> have heard that there is no extra lift or reduced drag only increased
> weight. What do the rest of you think?
>
> This was a post to the whole Kolb group and the "Do Not Archive" is only
for
> posts that don't need to be saved and this is ok to have saved. Personal
> E-mails are ones that should have the DNA.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: intro test
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
> >
> > Are you buyinf a classic or an extra? >>
> >
> > Hi Woody,
> >
> > I have ordered an Xtra.
> > Mine will have a new airofoil in that there is a metal sheet from the
> > leading edge (I dont know its width) under the fabric which will smooth
> out
> > the scalloped effect between the ribs. This should straighten out the
> > airflow, and hopefully increase the lift a bit.
> > Is this what yours has?
> > I am pretty used to a bootful of rudder to get the Challenger going
round
> > but the roll force needed on the Xtra surprised me.
> > There is a bungee mod for the Challenger to take out the need for right
> boot
> > to fly straight, but I have never bothered with it so maybe I shall just
> > accept the tendency for the Xtra to do the same.
> > Have you got to the point of establishing cruise speed and consumption
> yet?
> >
> > Incidentally I assume that we do not need to put `Do not archive` on off
> > list posts like this or are all posts routed throught the list?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Pat
>
>
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| Subject: | Sheet Metal Leading Edge |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@isp.com>
Rick,
I too am under the impression that the sheet metal leading is not
beneficial regarding speed or drag. Some have even reported the scalloped
leading edge has a minor advantage. Certainly, it is at beat controversial.
I would go with the guaranteed weight savings. ...Richard Swiderski
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard & Martha
Neilsen
Subject: Kolb-List: Sheet Metal Leading Edge
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen"
<NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Is this a factory option now? The feeling in the past was that the sheet
aluminum leading edge was only a cosmetic change to the wing. Seems like I
have heard that there is no extra lift or reduced drag only increased
weight. What do the rest of you think?
This was a post to the whole Kolb group and the "Do Not Archive" is only for
posts that don't need to be saved and this is ok to have saved. Personal
E-mails are ones that should have the DNA.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: intro test
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
> Are you buyinf a classic or an extra? >>
>
> Hi Woody,
>
> I have ordered an Xtra.
> Mine will have a new airofoil in that there is a metal sheet from the
> leading edge (I dont know its width) under the fabric which will smooth
out
> the scalloped effect between the ribs. This should straighten out the
> airflow, and hopefully increase the lift a bit.
> Is this what yours has?
> I am pretty used to a bootful of rudder to get the Challenger going round
> but the roll force needed on the Xtra surprised me.
> There is a bungee mod for the Challenger to take out the need for right
boot
> to fly straight, but I have never bothered with it so maybe I shall just
> accept the tendency for the Xtra to do the same.
> Have you got to the point of establishing cruise speed and consumption
yet?
>
> Incidentally I assume that we do not need to put `Do not archive` on off
> list posts like this or are all posts routed throught the list?
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly Washers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <herbgh@juno.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly Washers
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
>
> Fireflyers
>
>
> What are you guys using to bore the instrument holes? Yeah! I know!!
> Hole saws!!:-) Is that right? Herb
>
>
> Yup............and a small drum sander on a drill to polish them to final
size.
Lar.
>
>
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| Subject: | Wing angle adjustment |
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:15:57 -0400
3.4 NONSENSE BODY: String of nonsense text
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
'Dropped by the New Kolb Co. on my way home to yesterday. I wanted to buy another
one of those universal joints that connects the drag strut to the top of the
fuselage cage. I wanted it to see if I could drill the holes off-center and
use it to take the left roll tendency out of my Mk3.
Linda took me to the shop area where Donnie and one of the welders showed me a
replacement swivel (cage side of UV) that had been made for this exact purpose.
This part has an extra wide span so that the drag strut side (and the trailing
edge of the wing) could be raised or lowered. The range of the adjustment appears
to be ~ one full inch.
I'm going to think about this for a while before I test it. It could solve the
problem at the cost of making her crab through the air.
My next flight will be to test the effect of adjusting the left flap down ~ 3 degrees.
I know the flaps do not have the leverage that the ailerons have for turning
the plane but using the ailerons also lowers the flap control tube and
increases the drag on the left wing. This is a variable force vs effect problem
that will be best solved by tests of incremental adjustments. I will give her
a try tomorrow and report the results later.
Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL Mk3/912 (No damage from Charley).
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| Subject: | Re: Mk III Engine Swap- 582 to 912S |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
We are just about to order a new 912S with mounting kit from TNK to swap for
a 582 on a friend's float plane, Mk III. Are there any pitfalls to watch out
for? Can I assume this will come with some instructions? What prop would
work best for float operations [Warp Drive]? And the proper gearbox ratio?
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly Washers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
Lar
sounds good to me. Thanks Herb
On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:13:56 -0700 "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne"
> <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> N78LB Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <herbgh@juno.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly Washers
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
> >
> > Fireflyers
> >
> >
> > What are you guys using to bore the instrument holes? Yeah! I
> know!!
> > Hole saws!!:-) Is that right? Herb
> >
> >
> > Yup............and a small drum sander on a drill to polish them
> to final
> size.
> Lar.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly Washers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Herb....
I never could find hole saws around here to fit an insturment hole...so I
spun an aluminum disc down on a lathe and wrapped a length of bandsawblade
around it. I left a small step to aliogn the blade and drilled a 3/8 hole
dead center.....then use a 3/8 bit thru it to get center...drill a 3/8 hole
in the panel...and then spin the disc by hand.....nice and slow...but a
perfect fit.
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Mk III Engine Swap- 582 to 912S |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Howard,
I had an old 912 kit that the instructions were missing from. The old
kit is much the same as the new one with exception of the oil tank
mount. It is very complete and all the parts go together in an obvious
way. I needed no instructions but Travis did give me some great support
over the phone.
Giovanni
MKIII/912 80566
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
HShack@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk III Engine Swap- 582 to 912S
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
We are just about to order a new 912S with mounting kit from TNK to swap
for
a 582 on a friend's float plane, Mk III. Are there any pitfalls to
watch out
for? Can I assume this will come with some instructions? What prop
would
work best for float operations [Warp Drive]? And the proper gearbox
ratio?
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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| Subject: | Re: Sheet Metal Leading Edge |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 09:10 PM 8/17/2004, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
>When I started Vamoose, lo these many years ago, I wanted to use the
>aluminum under the fabric on the leading edges. Many people, including, as
>I recall, Dennis Souder recommended against it - so I didn't do it.
Match: #12
Message: #5634
From: <mailto:DLSOUDER@aol.com>DLSOUDER@aol.com
Subject:
<http://www.matronics.com/searching//searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=7691037?KEYS=aluminum_leading?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=12?SERIAL=19235828874?SHOWBUTTONS=NO>Re:
Metal Leading Edges
Dear Kolbers:
A couple thoughts on leading edge wraps. A leading edge wrap
makes more
sense when it is acting as a torsion member (as it is in the Titan wings).
The Titan wing has a built up C channel main spar to carry the bending loads
and the leading edge wrap (around foam) to complete the D section. Without
the leading edge wrap the Titan wing would lack torsional stiffness. Kolb
uses a large dia wing spar to gain torsional strength, so the extra weight of
the leading edge wrap would be essentially excess weight because it would be a
redundant structure. For just the 16 wrap (11 ft x .016) you gain 6.75 lb.
for both wings for a FireStar. A Mark 3 would be heavier. We spend a lot of
effort to save even a pound or two, so we view 6.75 lb. as a lot of weight.
There have been studies done on the variation in thickness with
the starved
horse wings and they show no appreciable difference in performance. I have
heard that some Challengers have tried leading edge wrap and the results were
not as good as the standard ribs.
Therefore as far as performance, you will loose with a leading
edge wrap
because the extra weight will be felt in take-off and climb performance, and
stall, etc. For those who prefer the appearance of a solid leading edge wrap,
I have no argument, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Our experience is
that it is also more work to cover an aluminum leading edge wrap with fabric
than simply to install the fabric with no aluminum.
If anyone has an more specific data on leading edge wraps, I would
like
to
hear from them.
Dennis Souder
Pres Kolb Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly Washers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Don Gherardini wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
>Herb....
>I never could find hole saws around here to fit an insturment hole...so I
>spun an aluminum disc down on a lathe and wrapped a length of bandsawblade
>around it. I left a small step to aliogn the blade and drilled a 3/8 hole
>dead center.....then use a 3/8 bit thru it to get center...drill a 3/8 hole
>in the panel...and then spin the disc by hand.....nice and slow...but a
>perfect fit.
>
>Don Gherardini
>FireFly 098
>http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
Instrument punches are available, but pricey. If you can clamp the panel
in a drill press, a 'fly cutter' works well. They are 'infinitely'
adjustable. Just remember that it will eat *anything* that gets in its
path including fingers, arms, etc.
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly Washers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
Don
Now you have gone and DUN it!! Got me ta thinkin! I will use my
dremel with a router bit on a rod that is free to pivot around the
guide hole. Sorta free hand. Just think of a compass with the dremel
as the pencil! Herb
how many washers??
do not archive
On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 20:55:41 -0500 "Don Gherardini"
<donghe@one-eleven.net> writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini"
> <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Herb....
> I never could find hole saws around here to fit an insturment
> hole...so I
> spun an aluminum disc down on a lathe and wrapped a length of
> bandsawblade
> around it. I left a small step to aliogn the blade and drilled a 3/8
> hole
> dead center.....then use a 3/8 bit thru it to get center...drill a
> 3/8 hole
> in the panel...and then spin the disc by hand.....nice and
> slow...but a
> perfect fit.
>
> Don Gherardini
> FireFly 098
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Wing drag strut & end fitting loose |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
Kolb builders,
I am rebuilding an original FireStar 5 rib wing. The wings have been
unfolded and folded for every flight. The universal joint steel fitting, that
is
inserted into the aluminum drag strut, is a loose fit. Does anyone know of a
good way to fix this?
The drag strut assembly consists of two aluminum tubes. The outer tube is
1.000 OD X .058 wall, which gives an ID of .884. The inner tube is .875 OD X
.058 wall. These two fit relatively snug, one inside of the other, even though
there is a clearence of .009 (.884 minus .875). A row of pop rivets helps to
keep it snug.
However, the steel fitting, which is .750, fits quite loosely into the inner
aluminum tube which has an ID of .759 A similar clearence of .009, but
perhaps because it is short, it doesn't have as much support and thus is a looser
fit.
All of the above assembly fits through a short steel sleeve or collar (tube),
that is welded onto the steel root rib, and a 1/4 inch bolt goes through all
the pieces.
All of the bolt holes appear to be ever so slightly egg shaped and the bolt
itself shows signs of wear, with small grooves where it contacts the drag strut
fitting inside. The accumulation of all these little clearences seems to add
up to a very sloppy fit.
A new bolt helps some and maybe some shim stock would help to snug it up.
Would like to know what others may have done to fix this problem.
Bill Varnes
Original FireStar
Audubon, NJ
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| Subject: | Re: Sheet Metal Leading Edge |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
The man himself. Good to hear from you Dennis, and glad you're still
keeping an eye on things. Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "possums" <possums@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sheet Metal Leading Edge
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>
> At 09:10 PM 8/17/2004, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> >
> >When I started Vamoose, lo these many years ago, I wanted to use the
> >aluminum under the fabric on the leading edges. Many people, including,
as
> >I recall, Dennis Souder recommended against it - so I didn't do it.
>
>
> Match: #12
> Message: #5634
> From: <mailto:DLSOUDER@aol.com>DLSOUDER@aol.com
> Date: Jul 19, 1998
> Subject:
>
<http://www.matronics.com/searching//searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=76910
37?KEYS=aluminum_leading?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=12?SERIAL=19235828874?SHOWB
UTTONS=NO>Re:
> Metal Leading Edges
>
>
> Dear Kolbers:
>
> A couple thoughts on leading edge wraps. A leading edge wrap
> makes more
> sense when it is acting as a torsion member (as it is in the Titan wings).
> The Titan wing has a built up C channel main spar to carry the bending >
> Dennis Souder
> Pres Kolb Aircraft
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sheet Metal Leading Edge |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Ooooooops.............sorry Possum. Just looked at the date, and realized
you forwarded that for our benefit. Thankee kindly. Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "possums" <possums@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sheet Metal Leading Edge
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>
> At 09:10 PM 8/17/2004, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> >
> >When I started Vamoose, lo these many years ago, I wanted to use the
> >aluminum under the fabric on the leading edges. Many people, including,
as
> >I recall, Dennis Souder recommended against it - so I didn't do it.
>
>
> Match: #12
> Message: #5634
> From: <mailto:DLSOUDER@aol.com>DLSOUDER@aol.com
> Date: Jul 19, 1998
> Subject:
>
<http://www.matronics.com/searching//searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=76910
37?KEYS=aluminum_leading?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=12?SERIAL=19235828874?SHOWB
UTTONS=NO>Re:
> Metal Leading Edges
>
>
> Dear Kolbers:
>
> A couple thoughts on leading edge wraps. A leading edge wrap
> makes more
> sense when it is acting as a torsion member (as it is in the Titan wings).
> The Titan wing has a built up C channel main spar to carry the
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly Washers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Hmmmm................gonna hafta go root around in the "used and forgotten"
pile. I don't remember any real problem finding hole saws for the 2 needed
sizes. ('course, my "memory" ain't much these days, either) Seems, in the
dim and distant past, that I did quite a bit of drum sanding in some of the
holes to open them up enuf, but nothing excessive. Maybe manaa I'll
remember (??) to take a look out there. Lar. Do
not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie England" <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly Washers
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
> Don Gherardini wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
> >
> >Herb....
> >I never could find hole saws around here to fit an insturment hole...so I
> >spun an aluminum disc down on a lathe and wrapped a length of
bandsawblade
> >around it. I left a small step to aliogn the blade and drilled a 3/8 hole
> >dead center.....then use a 3/8 bit thru it to get center...drill a 3/8
hole
> >in the panel...and then spin the disc by hand.....nice and slow...but a
> >perfect fit.
> >
> >Don Gherardini
> >FireFly 098
> >http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
> >
> >DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
>
> Instrument punches are available, but pricey. If you can clamp the panel
> in a drill press, a 'fly cutter' works well. They are 'infinitely'
> adjustable. Just remember that it will eat *anything* that gets in its
> path including fingers, arms, etc.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing drag strut & end fitting loose |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Didn't someone have a similar problem a short time ago ?? Seems like he
went thru quite a time with shim stock, etc. Without being there to see it,
and thinking about the way my Mk III is set up, seems like you could open
the bolt holes up (carefully) with a file to the next size, and use a new
bolt for a good fit. If there's enuf meat around the existing holes, just
drill 'em to the next size. The loose fitting ?? Dunno.......??
One thing I did do on the trailing edge pivot point, was to install a thin
nylon washer between the components to act as a "bearing," and then snugged
the bolt down pretty good. It's not difficult to fold the wings, and it
sure don't rattle. ('Course, it hasn't flown yet either :-) )(But we
clooooose..............! ! ! ) Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Wing drag strut & end fitting loose
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
>
> Kolb builders,
> >
> All of the bolt holes appear to be ever so slightly egg shaped and the
bolt
> itself shows signs of wear, with small grooves where it contacts the drag
strut
> fitting inside. The accumulation of all these little clearences seems to
add
> up to a very sloppy fit.
>
> A new bolt helps some and maybe some shim stock would help to snug it up.
> Would like to know what others may have done to fix this problem.
>
> Bill Varnes
> Original FireStar
> Audubon, NJ
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly Washers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Hmmmm...............can't sneak that html in there nohow. On the word
"manana," I used a character map "n" with a tilde over it for the spanish
"ny" sound. Didn't work. Oh well. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly Washers
Maybe manaa I'll
> remember (??) to take a look out there. Lar.
Do
> not Archive.
>
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| Subject: | Fly cutter for the Instrument panel hole |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
Greetings,
Of all the hundreds of builder's pictures the only one I have that shows
cutting an instrument panel hole was of Rusty's SlingShot.
Take a look
http://members.aol.com/willuribe/flycutter.jpg
We tired an instrument punch but didn't work very well on fiberglass.
Regards,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
C172 N2506U
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly Washers
Instrument punches are available, but pricey. If you can clamp the panel in a
drill press, a 'fly cutter' works well. They are 'infinitely' adjustable.
Just remember that it will eat *anything* that gets in its path including
fingers, arms, etc.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of herbgh@juno.com
Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly Washers
What are you guys using to bore the instrument holes? Yeah! I know!!
Hole saws!!:-) Is that right? Herb
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