Today's Message Index:
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1. 02:13 AM - Re: Wing angle adjustment (KolbDriver)
2. 06:41 AM - Re: Test ASCII characters (GeoR38@aol.com)
3. 07:04 AM - Re: Test ASCII characters (Larry Bourne)
4. 07:15 AM - kolb (boyd young)
5. 07:34 AM - book binding tape (boyd young)
6. 07:34 AM - Wing drag strut &loose end fittings (boyd young)
7. 08:04 AM - Re: kolb (bryan green)
8. 08:06 AM - kolbra (Paul Petty)
9. 08:12 AM - book binding tape (bryan green)
10. 08:15 AM - book binding tape (bryan green)
11. 08:25 AM - Re: book binding tape (woody)
12. 09:14 AM - Slingshot repeat offender (RD)
13. 09:18 AM - Re: Slingshot repeat offender (HShack@aol.com)
14. 10:40 AM - Re: kolbra (Giovanni Day)
15. 10:59 AM - Re: Sheet Metal Leading Edge (woody)
16. 11:33 AM - special chars. test (Bob N.)
17. 03:31 PM - Re: book binding tape (jerb)
18. 05:29 PM - Hurricane (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
19. 06:04 PM - Re: 2004 FS II First flights (Larry Bourne)
20. 07:13 PM - Hurricane Charley report (Duncan McBride)
21. 08:01 PM - Re: Hurricane Charley report (James and Cathy Tripp)
22. 08:04 PM - Wing drag strut & end fitting loose (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
23. 08:40 PM - Re: Hurricane Charley report (Christopher Armstrong)
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| Subject: | Re: Wing angle adjustment |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "KolbDriver" <KolbDriver@bellsouth.net>
Duane,
I fabricated a similar swivel when I was trimming my plane. I am not sure
what the factory's part looks like but mine only has 1/4" adjustment. It
did the trick though. If you would like photos I think I could dig up a
couple.
Steven Green
> 'Dropped by the New Kolb Co. on my way home to yesterday. I wanted to buy
another one of those universal joints that connects the drag strut to the
top of the fuselage cage. I wanted it to see if I could drill the holes
off-center and use it to take the left roll tendency out of my Mk3.
>
> Linda took me to the shop area where Donnie and one of the welders showed
me a replacement swivel (cage side of UV) that had been made for this exact
purpose. This part has an extra wide span so that the drag strut side (and
the trailing edge of the wing) could be raised or lowered. The range of the
adjustment appears to be ~ one full inch.
>
> I'm going to think about this for a while before I test it. It could solve
the problem at the cost of making her crab through the air.
>
> My next flight will be to test the effect of adjusting the left flap down
~ 3 degrees. I know the flaps do not have the leverage that the ailerons
have for turning the plane but using the ailerons also lowers the flap
control tube and increases the drag on the left wing. This is a variable
force vs effect problem that will be best solved by tests of incremental
adjustments. I will give her a try tomorrow and report the results later.
>
> Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL Mk3/912 (No damage from
Charley).
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Test ASCII characters |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 8/18/2004 1:40:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
WillUribe@aol.com writes:
Its 76 (hold the alt key while typing 167 on your number pad) Fahrenhiet
right now in El Paso, TX
it is 76=B0
do not archive
George Randolph
this is a tilde test
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| Subject: | Re: Test ASCII characters |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I think I know what the difference is.............I've got the Character Map
set for "Comic Sans MS," and to get the little circle degree symbol, I hold
down Alt., and type 0176. Holding Alt, and typing your 167 gives me the
same symbol, but a different size. Try for 1/2, holding Alt., and typing in
0189. The n with a tilde is Alt 0241. What Fun, eh ?? For those
who haven't been there before, and wonder what we're talking about, click
Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Character Map. By changing
the Font, there are MANY choices of characters. Not Kolb related, I know,
but fun and interesting nonetheless. Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <GeoR38@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Test ASCII characters
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 8/18/2004 1:40:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> WillUribe@aol.com writes:
> Its 76 (hold the alt key while typing 167 on your number pad) Fahrenhiet
> right now in El Paso, TX
> it is 76=B0
>
> do not archive
> George Randolph
> this is a tilde test
>
>
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<mitchmnd@msn.com>
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
'Dropped by the New Kolb Co. on my way home to yesterday. I wanted to buy another
one of those universal joints that connects the drag strut to the top of the
fuselage cage. I wanted it to see if I could drill the holes off-center and
use it to take the left roll tendency out of my Mk3.
i did this when i first built... when i rebuilt i put on a trim tab.....
before you do it first set the wing up and go fly.... while going straight and
level check the ailerons and flaps for being in a straight line..... if they
are put on a trim tab or a bunge cord to hold it there......
mine were straight when flying straight and when i put on the offset universal
joints they were deflected opposite..... the plane flew hands off but the ailerons
looked crooked....
if i havent made sence let me know and i will spend more time to explain.
boyd
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| Subject: | book binding tape |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
Can anyone suggest where I can get the book-binding tape to seal the aileron
gaps? I guess I need about 12 feet of the two sizes of tape.
my wife workes at the local library and she was able to order it for me.....
go into your local library and see if they will do the same for you or i will
order some more for you.
boyd
do not archive
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| Subject: | Wing drag strut &loose end fittings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
my fix was to mix up some epoxy glue, bursh it on the mating surfaces then assemble
and bolt into place. i hope i never need to disasemble the part.
boyd
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Mine flys fine with a trim tab.
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
----- Original Message -----
From: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
<mitchmnd@msn.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: kolb
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
>
>
> 'Dropped by the New Kolb Co. on my way home to yesterday. I wanted to buy
another
> one of those universal joints that connects the drag strut to the top of
the
> fuselage cage. I wanted it to see if I could drill the holes off-center
and
> use it to take the left roll tendency out of my Mk3.
>
>
> i did this when i first built... when i rebuilt i put on a trim tab.....
>
> before you do it first set the wing up and go fly.... while going
straight and level check the ailerons and flaps for being in a straight
line..... if they are put on a trim tab or a bunge cord to hold it
there......
>
> mine were straight when flying straight and when i put on the offset
universal joints they were deflected opposite..... the plane flew hands off
but the ailerons looked crooked....
>
> if i havent made sence let me know and i will spend more time to explain.
>
> boyd
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Hi Gang,
Been swapping some e-mails back and forth with Rusty. Yesterday he mentioned that
the Kolbra Kits had been put on hold. Anyone know why?
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
do not archive
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| Subject: | book binding tape |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
try this linkhttp://www.americanprintingequipment.com/bookbindingtape.htm
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
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| Subject: | book binding tape |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Or this one
http://www.librarysuppliers.com/shop/subcategory68.html
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
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| Subject: | Re: book binding tape |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Book binding tape always looks harder to apply and less permanent than the
dacron tape method. I see not advantage to it other than spend more money to
buy it, spend more time installing it and getting to do it again in a few
years. Dacron tape goes on fast looks good and is permanent and is cheap.
The material is probably on the hanger floor right now.
----- Original Message -----
From: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: book binding tape
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
>
> Can anyone suggest where I can get the book-binding tape to seal the
aileron
> gaps? I guess I need about 12 feet of the two sizes of tape.
>
>
> my wife workes at the local library and she was able to order it for
me..... go into your local library and see if they will do the same for
you or i will order some more for you.
>
>
> boyd
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Slingshot repeat offender |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "RD" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Well, it's official. I just ordered another SS kit a few minutes ago, so it
looks like I get to build another one :-)
As some of you know, I build the first SS that Kolb sold (SS-003), and
eventually sold it to Richard when I felt the need for speed, and built an
RV-8. After a couple RV's (keeping my current rotary powered RV-3), I
decided that I still wanted something slower, for local flying. The RV is
great for speed and power, but just not the best choice for local cruising.
First, I bought an Airbike project, and have everything I need to finish the
airframe, but I finally decided that I just didn't want to build the wood
wings, and probably didn't want something that open. It's for sale if anyone
wants it.
I've recently considered virtually everything available, and I just kept
coming back to the SS. The Kolbra was tempting, but I just don't need a full
rear seat. I also like the extra performance of the SS, along with the
ability to use any engine, from the 503 to a 912ULS. The plane is more
compact, so it will fit in the hanger better, and the airframe is strong as
an ox. The engine choice is undecided, aside from not planning to use a
2-stroke. The current thoughts are the HKS, 912ULS (John Hauck's personal
favorite), or perhaps a single rotor Mazda concoction (trying hard to
resist). Plenty of time to decide.
Cheers,
Rusty (new builder again)
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| Subject: | Re: Slingshot repeat offender |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 8/19/2004 12:14:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
13brv3c@bellsouth.net writes:
First, I bought an Airbike project, and have everything I need to finish the
airframe, but I finally decided that I just didn't want to build the wood
wings, and probably didn't want something that open. It's for sale if anyone
wants it.
Where & how much?
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Paul,
I managed a small electronic design and manufacturing company in days
past. Being a small company, we had limited manufacturing resources, not
necessarily meaning money, but space, personnel, and equipment. When we
came out with a new product that was selling exceptionally well, we
would often cut back on one or tow other slow selling products to
maximize the potential of the new hot selling product. When sales of the
newest products slowed we would start to manufacture the other slower
selling products. Some times we would see demand for one of the other
products go to almost 0 and we would stop producing it all together. The
key for any relativity small business, IMHO, is not to grow to fast.
Controlled growth is the key to sustained growth and maximized profit.
This all depends on volume and profit margin of the products being
produced. Profit is why many if not most companies are in business. As
with anything, it seems to cost more getting from point A to B the
faster you get there.
Not sure if this is the case with TNK, but the FF, FSII and MKIIIX are
very hot items at the moment. Maybe TNK is prioritizing production.
Again this is all in my humble opinion (IMHO).
Giovanni Day
MKIII/912 80566
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Petty
Subject: Kolb-List: kolbra
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Hi Gang,
Been swapping some e-mails back and forth with Rusty. Yesterday he
mentioned that the Kolbra Kits had been put on hold. Anyone know why?
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
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| Subject: | Re: Sheet Metal Leading Edge |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
OOOPs you got this on the wrong list, happens all the time here.
> > Hi Woody,
> >
> > I have ordered an Xtra.
> > Mine will have a new airofoil in that there is a metal sheet from the
> > leading edge > > the scalloped effect between the ribs. This should
straighten out the
> > airflow, and hopefully increase the lift a bit
Is this a factory option or your idea. Search the archive from a month ago
and the results say the scalloped surface aids in lift and reduces drag.
.
> > Is this what yours has?
I put another layer of fabric on the leading edge up to the high point of
the chord and cut slits in it length ways. I tightened this and it became
foundation for the top fabric. Not perfectly smooth but not horribly
scalloped. Not sure if it was worth the effort. For more lift check the
archives for vortex generators.
> > I am pretty used to a bootful of rudder to get the Challenger going
round
> > but the roll force needed on the Xtra surprised me.
Move the bottom pivot points inward on the aileron push tubes. That is an
important modification
> > There is a bungee mod for the Challenger to take out the need for right
> boot
> > to fly straight, but I have never bothered with it so maybe I shall just
> > accept the tendency for the Xtra to do the same.
The left turn tendancy is in the wing not in the rudder. A bungee has
proven to work on the stick. So has trim tabs on one wing Your choice. I was
surprised (and relieved after going in a tight low circle for 5 minutes.
Kissed my ass goodbye that day.) that you need rudder to straighten out a
turn in a challenger.
> > Have you got to the point of establishing cruise speed and consumption
> yet?
Not having doors on I am keeping speeds below 70. Fuel burn seems about 2
and a half gallons per hour as stated in the book.
> >
> > Incidentally I assume that we do not need to put `Do not archive` on off
> > list posts like this or are all posts routed throught the list?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Pat
Personal emails don't need
do not archive.
Unfortunately you sent this to the list instead of me personally
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| Subject: | special chars. test |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
twenty , seventy , maana
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: book binding tape |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Try Office Depot - they don't stock it in the store but in Dallas if
ordered by the store before 5 PM they could have it by 5 PM the next
day. They would ship to the store for no charge. Width sizes available
1-1/2", 2". 3", & 4". Their prices were much better than Staples also.
jerb
At 08:26 AM 8/19/04 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
>
>Can anyone suggest where I can get the book-binding tape to seal the aileron
>gaps? I guess I need about 12 feet of the two sizes of tape.
>
>
>my wife workes at the local library and she was able to order it for
>me..... go into your local library and see if they will do the same for
>you or i will order some more for you.
>
>
>boyd
>
>do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Has anyone heard from Duncan McBride since the hurricane?
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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| Subject: | Re: 2004 FS II First flights |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Congratulations, Bruce. That was "bugs in your teeth" flying for sure. I
really liked the write up they did on you, too. Wish I was closer - I'd
have been after you about covering Vamoose. Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Harrison" <firestarii@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: 2004 FS II First flights
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrison" <firestarii@hotmail.com>
>
> Just wanted to add to the list of first flights this fall. Over the past
few
> Saturdays I have been crow-hopping and finally flight testing my new FSII.
>
> I have a 503 SCDCDI and 66" two-blade IvoProp. So far with about 1.5 hours
> of time on the new airframe I am happy with performance, but
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| Subject: | Hurricane Charley report |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Duncan McBride" <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
Hey guys,
In June I was able to sublease a hanger at Charlotte County Airport. I was
really happy to get the Mark III inside during the South Florida Summer,
it's really a hothouse down here, and hard on metal airplanes. I haven't
been flying so much either in the heat, so it was really nice to have the
plane stay clean when I couldn't get out to the field every weekend.
So much for good plans. You probably know Charlotte County was right in the
path of Hurricane Charley. I live in Fort Myers, 20 miles south, and I lost
power from Friday until Monday evening. Saturday I was scurrying around
finding ice for my mom and dad and my fiance and her three girls. I just
assumed the plane was safe in its hangar. Sunday morning I was setting up
mom and dad with a Coleman stove to make coffee, a top priority, when Barb
calls to tell me the Sunday paper had a story about how the airport suffered
major damage, hangars down and planes piled up like broken toys. My dad and
I drive up to the airport and its just terrible. From a distance I could
see the big commercial hangars and they were all damaged. The terminal had
lost its roof. The biggest hangar on the field usually housed three or four
big bizjets, and it was flat on the ground. Gone. The saddest thing was a
DC-3 on one collapsed gear leg, the vertical tail in tatters, pushed up
against a pile of sheet metal. Just about made you cry.
My T-hangar was in the third row from the entrance and I couldn't see it
from where we had to wait. The first row was total devastation. The hangar
doors had been ripped off down the whole line and the planes inside tossed
around in the hangars like somebody was stirring ice tea. Half the hangars
lost their roof as soon as the doors were gone and in those the planes had
been ripped out and blown down the field. I was going crazy but we had to
wait for the governer's helicopter to take off. He was showing the
president around, who had taken off a few minutes before we arrived.
Finally they let us through and we could drive onto the field. Another big
hanger that normally held six or seven singles in various states of repair
was half torn to bits, most of the bits sitting on top of dented up
airplanes. Balls of aluminum the size of Volkswagons that used to be
Mooneys, Cessnas and Pipers were scattered around the ramp and down the
taxiways. A few planes had been blown out into the field and were upside
down in the grass. I was getting ready for the worst as I drove around the
wreckage to get to my hangar. It could have been worse. The doors had
fallen in on either side of the fuselage and broken both wings. The wings
and control surfaces were a total loss. The fuselage and tail are ok. I
need a new nose cone where the door scraped off the tip, and there is a bent
rib in an elevator to fix. It'll fly again. Which is a lot more than you
could say about a lot of the planes out there. I'm kind of depressed and
grateful at the same time. Bummer.
I spent Sunday getting the wings off and trailering the fuselage home.
Spent Monday at general post-hurricane survival, Tuesday salvaging the
strobes and power supplies from the wings and Wednesday taking my future
stepdaughter to Gainesville to start at UF. Today after work I finished up
at the airport. I just got home tonight from hacksawing out the hardware I
could salvage, the aileron counterweights and control horns. I didn't get
my internet connection back up until last night, and this is the first
chance I've had to post a message.
I'll check with TNK about a partial kit - there is a guy on Barnstormers
with a partially completed Kit #1 I'll ask about. If anyone knows of a #1
kit sitting around that someone has lost interest in, I'm in the market.
I took a bunch of pictures of the wreckage at the airport, it is really
incredible what the storm did. When I get the time I'll put them up on my
website and post the address to the list.
I don't think 319DM will be flying in time for the Kolb reunion, but we'll
be thinking of you all, down here in sunny tropical Southwest Florida. ( I
won't even start on the poor woman who got bit by the alligator....) I'm
starting to work up some enthusiasm for rebuilding. It's slow, but it will
come.
Fly safe, and tie 'em down tight,
Duncan McBride
319DM, Twinstar Mk III
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricane Charley report |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp" <jtripp@elmore.rr.com>
Duncan,
Sorry to hear about your MKIII. I wish you a speedy rebuild and hope to see
you in your new and improved MKIII next year.
James Tripp, FSII
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan McBride" <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Hurricane Charley report
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Duncan McBride"
<duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
>
> Hey guys,
> In June I was able to sublease a hanger at Charlotte County Airport. I
was
> really happy to get the Mark III inside during the South Florida Summer,
> it's really a hothouse down here, and hard on metal airplanes. I haven't
> been flying so much either in the heat, so it was really nice to have the
> plane stay clean when I couldn't get out to the field every weekend.
>
>
> Fly safe, and tie 'em down tight,
> Duncan McBride
> 319DM, Twinstar Mk III
>
>
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| Subject: | Wing drag strut & end fitting loose |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
In a message dated 8/18/04 9:50:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
PaulServaty@aol.com writes:
> I used hardware store
> 2" wide adhesive backed aluminum tape to wrap around fitting. It about
> .0025
> inch thick - 400 hours since fix.
Paul,
Thanks for the idea.
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Bill Varnes
Original FireStar
Audubon NJ
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| Subject: | Hurricane Charley report |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
Man that is terrible news, but like you said it could have been worse. Clad
to hear you willl be able to put it back together. Hope your insurance
covers it all.
Topher
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