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1. 04:53 AM - Re: , comparing engines (jerb)
2. 06:20 AM - Re: , comparing engines (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
3. 06:20 AM - Re: Parts for sale (Ron or Mary Payne)
4. 06:24 AM - Where Did It Go? (Jack & Louise Hart)
5. 06:54 AM - Re: Where Did It Go? (John Hauck)
6. 07:24 AM - Wing Support (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
7. 07:39 AM - Re: Where Did It Go? (Jack & Louise Hart)
8. 07:47 AM - Re: Parts for sale (kkorenek@comcast.net)
9. 07:47 AM - Re: Parts for sale (kkorenek@comcast.net)
10. 08:32 AM - Re: electric trim motor (Joseph Brett Walmsley)
11. 08:59 AM - Sprot Pilot and Rotax Engine Prices (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
12. 09:32 AM - Barrow, Alaska (John Hauck)
13. 09:46 AM - Re: Jabbyroo (Frank Reynen)
14. 09:46 AM - Barrow, Alaska, Part II (John Hauck)
15. 10:01 AM - Re: Barrow, Alaska (correction) (John Hauck)
16. 10:10 AM - Re: one for the home team (PATRICK LADD)
17. 10:52 AM - Re: Jabbyroo (John Hauck)
18. 11:15 AM - Re: Barrow, Alaska (Larry Bourne)
19. 11:27 AM - Re: Barrow, Alaska, Part II (John Williamson)
20. 01:21 PM - Re: Barrow, Alaska (John Hauck)
21. 01:24 PM - Re: Barrow, Alaska, Part II (John Hauck)
22. 02:38 PM - Re: Sprot Pilot and Rotax Engine Prices (robert bean)
23. 05:08 PM - Question for the list (GeoR38@aol.com)
24. 05:50 PM - Re: Question for the list (G. T. Alexander, Jr.)
25. 05:54 PM - Re: Question for the list (Gary r. voigt)
26. 06:53 PM - Re: Barrow, Alaska (bryan green)
27. 08:07 PM - John Hauks trip (David Carr)
28. 08:07 PM - J-3 versus Mk-3 (Denny Rowe)
29. 08:37 PM - Re: John Haucks trip (John Hauck)
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| Subject: | Re: , comparing engines |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
So what goes with the redrive for the 2-cylinder VW?
The sharp power pulses of the 4-stroke 2 banger are a real problem. Out
side of the expensive HKS the closest and most promising thing I've seen
running was the Citroen engine conversion being developed by Larry Israel
formerly associated with Team Aircraft. It's too bad as Larry was making
progress but lacked the capital needed to finish the development. It would
have been a good engine for in the 40 HP range.
jerb
At 11:35 PM 8/22/04 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen"
><NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
>
>The earlier discussion about reduction drive engines is right on. I don't
>know of too many other people that have flown a MKIIIc with the same engine
>both with a reduction drive and direct drive. The difference is startling. I
>got very close to twice the thrust with my reduction drive engine turning
>the same engine RPMs. I do need to qualify this at bit as the direct drive
>engine had a two blade 60" wood prop and it was too long for the 3500
>takeoff RPMs. I would turn allot of horse power into noise. And yes the VW
>turns about the same RPMs as a Jabru which is not a surprise when you figure
>it was a updated design of a VW.
>
>I will also say that the 912 series of Rotax engines is the engine to have
>if you must have the most reliable engine on the market but the price is a
>bit daunting for some of us retired folks. As most of you know my VW let me
>down on the way back for Oshkosh this year but I'm not ready to give up on
>my goal of making the VW a good bargain priced option for the MKIII. We now
>know that with a heaver prop, the reduction drive needs a stronger
>attachment bracket. In the future the redrive will be supplied with the
>stronger bracket on all planes with the heaver props. Since the first one
>lasted almost 120 hours the fix shouldn't need to be too radical. They are
>also working on a sprag clutch which should make the engine much smoother.
>The sprag clutch is something they started on to smooth out the two cylinder
>VW reduction drive engines. I was reminded just how smooth and quiet a VW
>can be when the drive belts fell off. In fact it was so smooth I thought the
>engine had quit running which lead to me over revving it.
>
>I almost have the engine ready to remove from the plane for a rebuild but
>figured I would take a bunch of measurements and build a new engine mount.
>The new mount looks like it will be a few pounds lighter, have about a five
>inch lower thrust line and better handle the torque of the big redrive
>engine.
>
>Rick Neilsen
>Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: , comparing engines |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Jerb/all
Valley Engineering makes the reduction drive and their web site is
http://members.sockets.net/~ranchair/ Great Plains Aircraft sells the
Valley redrive and the 2 cylinder VW engines. http://www.greatplainsas.com/
The sprag clutch will be part of the drive sprocket that mounts on the
crankshaft. I'm told they are using a commercial sprag clutch that Valley
will adapt to the drive sprocket. they expect to complete testing and have
the clutch available next year.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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From: "jerb" <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: , comparing engines
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>
> So what goes with the redrive for the 2-cylinder VW?
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| Subject: | Re: Parts for sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron or Mary Payne" <whyme@vci.net>
I would like to sell this project in one piece less wings and tail. Any
one interested, contact me off list for a price or my home phone number.
Ron Payne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron or Mary Payne" <whyme@vci.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Parts for sale
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron or Mary Payne" <whyme@vci.net>
>
> I have the following items for sale. 503 DCDI electric start with less
than 10 hours running time---3 blade IVO ground adjustable prop----BRS-VLS
750 lb model-----EIS with hotbox-----full swivel tail wheel------Kuntzleman
strobes------Artex ELT-200series------FireStar cockpit cage with two 5
gallon fuel tanks, nose cone and all controls. The FireStar is now in
flying condition but the EAA legal consul has advised against selling it as
an aircraft due to liability risks.
>
> All items are in new condition with no damage. Located in West Kentucky.
Anyone interested contact me off list.
>
> Ron Payne
>
>
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| Subject: | Where Did It Go? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
Kolbers,
I like to check the Federal Aviation Administration Office of Accident
Investigation reports at:
http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/iirform.htm
But it appears they have moved to another address. I am hoping someone has
found their new address. What is it? Thanks.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
do not archive
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: Where Did It Go? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
|
| But it appears they have moved to another address. I am hoping
someone has
| found their new address. What is it? Thanks.
|
| Jack B. Hart FF004
Jack/Gang:
It is still there. Waiting of them to post the weekend excitement.
The web site must have been down for a day or two last week, but came
back up.
http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/iirform.htm
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Eric Weaver,
At MV, seems I remember you having a great and simple way to support your wings
during transport, but I can't remember what you did. (This getting old BS
is for the birds!) I'm just finishing up on re-covering my MKIII and will be
transporting soon. I put some hand holds on the end of each wing and am thinking
of bungeeing those to the roof of my trailer to take some of the weight
off the support piece that goes through the boom tube. I've had trouble with
these breaking from the "hammering" effect of driving down dirt roads. But I'd
like to know what you did - it may be a better way. (I haven't forgotten the
neat support cradle you built for the boom tube, but been busy with re-covering.
Will decide on that next.)
Actually, this post is for anyone - I've just directed it to Eric because of
seeing his set up at MV. If anyone has a real good way, I'm sure many of us
would like to know.
AzDave
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Where Did It Go? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 08:54 AM 8/23/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>Jack/Gang:
>
>It is still there. Waiting of them to post the weekend excitement.
>
>The web site must have been down for a day or two last week, but came
>back up.
>
>http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/iirform.htm
>
>john h
>
John,
I use an older version of Netscape, and that may be the problem. I tried
Network Explorer and it came right up. Thanks.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Do not archive
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: Parts for sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: kkorenek@comcast.net
I've got a really good set of 5 rib wings for a FireStar!
Ken Korenek
kkorenek@comcast.net
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron or Mary Payne"
>
> I would like to sell this project in one piece less wings and tail. Any
> one interested, contact me off list for a price or my home phone number.
>
> Ron Payne
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron or Mary Payne"
> To:
> Subject: Kolb-List: Parts for sale
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron or Mary Payne"
> >
> > I have the following items for sale. 503 DCDI electric start with less
> than 10 hours running time---3 blade IVO ground adjustable prop----BRS-VLS
> 750 lb model-----EIS with hotbox-----full swivel tail wheel------Kuntzleman
> strobes------Artex ELT-200series------FireStar cockpit cage with two 5
> gallon fuel tanks, nose cone and all controls. The FireStar is now in
> flying condition but the EAA legal consul has advised against selling it as
> an aircraft due to liability risks.
> >
> > All items are in new condition with no damage. Located in West Kentucky.
> Anyone interested contact me off list.
> >
> > Ron Payne
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
I've gota really good set of 5 rib wings for a FireStar!
Ken Korenek
kkorenek@comcast.net
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron or Mary Payne" <WHYME@VCI.NET>
I would like to sell this project in one piece less wings and tail. Any
one interested, contact me off list for a price or my home phone number.
Ron Payne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron or Mary Payne" <WHYME@VCI.NET>
To: <KOLB-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
Subject: Kolb-List: Parts for sale
-- Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron or Mary Payne" <WHYME@VCI.NET>
I have the following items for sale. 503 DCDI electric start with less
than 10 hours running time---3 blade IVO ground adjustable prop----BRS-VLS
750 lb model-----EIS with hotbox-----full swivel tail wheel------Kuntzleman
strobes------Artex EL
T-200series------FireStar cockpit cage with two 5
gallon fuel tanks, nose cone and all controls. The FireStar is now in
flying condition but the EAA legal consul has advised against selling it as
an aircraft due to liability risks.
All items are in new condition with no damage. Located in West Kentucky.
Anyone interested contact me off list.
Ron Payne
om/chat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: kkorenek@comcast.net
I've got a really good set of 5 rib wings for a FireStar!
Ken Korenek
kkorenek@comcast.net
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron or Mary Payne"
>
> I would like to sell this project in one piece less wings and tail. Any
> one interested, contact me off list for a price or my home phone number.
>
> Ron Payne
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron or Mary Payne"
> To:
> Subject: Kolb-List: Parts for sale
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron or Mary Payne"
> >
> > I have the following items for sale. 503 DCDI electric start with less
> than 10 hours running time---3 blade IVO ground adjustable prop----BRS-VLS
> 750 lb model-----EIS with hotbox-----full swivel tail wheel------Kuntzleman
> strobes------Artex ELT-200series------FireStar cockpit cage with two 5
> gallon fuel tanks, nose cone and all controls. The FireStar is now in
> flying condition but the EAA legal consul has advised against selling it as
> an aircraft due to liability risks.
> >
> > All items are in new condition with no damage. Located in West Kentucky.
> Anyone interested contact me off list.
> >
> > Ron Payne
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
I've gota really good set of 5 rib wings for a FireStar!
Ken Korenek
kkorenek@comcast.net
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron or Mary Payne" <WHYME@VCI.NET>
I would like to sell this project in one piece less wings and tail. Any
one interested, contact me off list for a price or my home phone number.
Ron Payne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron or Mary Payne" <WHYME@VCI.NET>
To: <KOLB-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
Subject: Kolb-List: Parts for sale
-- Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron or Mary Payne" <WHYME@VCI.NET>
I have the following items for sale. 503 DCDI electric start with less
than 10 hours running time---3 blade IVO ground adjustable prop----BRS-VLS
750 lb model-----EIS with hotbox-----full swivel tail wheel------Kuntzleman
strobes------Artex EL
T-200series------FireStar cockpit cage with two 5
gallon fuel tanks, nose cone and all controls. The FireStar is now in
flying condition but the EAA legal consul has advised against selling it as
an aircraft due to liability risks.
All items are in new condition with no damage. Located in West Kentucky.
Anyone interested contact me off list.
Ron Payne
om/chat
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| Subject: | Re: electric trim motor |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Joseph Brett Walmsley" <kitfox4@numail.org>
Contact Skystar.
They have 2 they have used.
One was for a trim tab (classic IV)and the other trimed the stab on the
model 5...
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| Subject: | Sprot Pilot and Rotax Engine Prices |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Kolb Friends -
All the recent talk about Jabiru and Rotax-912 engines on Slingshots and
such has brought up a question in my mind: What do you think the effect
will be of the recently-approved Sprot Pilot rule on engine prices?
Will the price of a new Jab or R-912 be cheaper next summer, or more
expensive?
I realize a big factor is supply vs. demand, but I can't figure out which
way it will go.
Any predictions?
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, Verner, still wishing for a 912 in
Cedar Crest, NM
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Good Morning All:
I visited Barrow, Alaska, for the second time in three years, in my
Kolb Mark III.
For some time I had wanted to land on the beach at the site where Will
Rogers and Wiley Post were killed, 12 air miles south of the Barrow
Airport. On my approach to Barrow I decided to go ahead and land,
visit Barrow and Browersville, refuel, then fly south to the lagoon
where they crashed and died in 1935, four years before I was born.
I do not always make the best decisions. Flying down to the memorial
site after refueling was one of them. First, it meant I was at max
gross weight, minus a gal or two of fuel, when I attempted a beach
landing. Second, by the time I did the beach landing, flew north back
to Point Barrow for pictures, and finally started on my flight back to
Colville Village and the Helmerick's, I had flown 43 miles worth of
fuel that may have come in handy should I encounter weather on the 150
mile return flight. Oh well, I live and I continue to learn even
though I am officially, by US Government descriptions, elderly.
So........I said my goodbye's to the guys in the Barrow FSS, jumped
into the faithful old Mark III, and flew down the beach, low level to
the lagoon where Will Rogers and Wiley Post were killed. They were on
a flight from Fairbanks to Barrow. The ice fog had pretty much
obscured their route of flight. They were flying the coast north when
they spotted people at a hunting camp on the lagoon. Wiley landed the
airplane and asked directions to Barrow. He was told 15 miles up the
beach. On takeoff from the lagoon, the airplane stalled, crashed, and
killed both men. Here is what is left of the two monuments erected in
their memory. Both monuments have been stripped of their bronze
plaques, long ago, and vandalized. That is the lagoon in the
background.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/2004c%20185.jpg
Miss P'fer sits on the beach after a successful landing at max gross
weight. The Arctic Ocean is on the right. The lagoon is on the left.
I was standing in front of, south, the monuments. That little white
thing in the grass in the middle of the picture is a whale skull.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/2004c%20186.jpg
Miss P'fer waits on the beach to fly me several miles north of Point
Barrow, then east to the Helmerick's.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/2004c%20188.jpg
The monuments, what is left of them, are up on the dunes in front of
the airplane. In front of the monument, to the south, the sand dunes
were filled with skeletal remains of whales. This lagoon has been the
site for eskimo hunting camps for many years.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/2004c%20189.jpg
I landed on the beach to the north. Artic Ocean is on the left and
the monuments are on the dunes on the right front. Notice how steep
the slope of the beach is and how soft the sand is. There were also
cantalope and basketball size rocks on top of the sand. These made my
landing and roll out interesting. Did not want to break something
here. Maybe this will give some of you, who doubt or do not
understand, why my MK III has been modified to handle more weight and
environments that would put a standard MK III on its nose.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/2004c%20190.jpg
On the beach.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/2004c%20191.jpg
Whale bone in foreground. Don't know what kind it was, but it was
big!
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/2004c%20194.jpg
Soft sand.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/001.jpg
Same.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/003.jpg
This is what my approach to runway 06 at Barrow Airport looks like.
The approach is made from over the Arctic Ocean. The village of
Barrow is on the left.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/004.jpg
Flying north up the beach towards Point Barrow. Downtown Barrow on
the right.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/006.jpg
These people love the water, although I did not see anyone swimming or
sunbathing, or water skiing.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/011.jpg
In the foreground behind the utility pole is an eskimo cemetary north
of Barrow and Browerville on the way to Point Barrow.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/014.jpg
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Frank Reynen" <frank_reynen@ix.netcom.com>
Howard,John,
When I switched from the 582 to the 912ULS I found only a marginal
improvement in take-off performance.
The plane will not properly come up on the step with maximum trust of the
912.
It wants to dig in and takes longer to get on the step compared to a more
gradual increase in take-off power.
I use about 5200 RPM to get on the step and then gradually increase to
maximum power (5700RPM) to get to rotation speed at which
time the eleavor has build up enough force to lift up the nose and unstick
the floats.
I have tried several different step positions but ended up right were I
started from for all around best take-off with and without passenger.
Maybe a more angled up position of the engine trust line may provide a
better take-off such as used on the Grumman Goose.
Frank Reynen MKIII @840 hrs
> http://www.webcom.com/reynen/mark3.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Jabbyroo
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> | John, what gearbox ratio do you have on the 912ULS? Have been
> unable to
> your setup
> best take-off
>
> Hi Shack:
>
> Gearbox ratio is 2.43 to 1 on the 912ULS. Don't think there is a
> choice of ratios for the 912ULS.
>
> 912 is 2.273 with the optional gears for a 2.43 ratio.
>
> I believe it would work. My buddy Frank Reyen has been flying floats
> with a 912 powered MKIII for years. His web site is:
>
> http://www.webcom.com/reynen/mark3.html
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
>
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| Subject: | Barrow, Alaska, Part II |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sorry folks. Hit the dad gummed wrong button and sent the first part
of this msg out before I was finished.
Continuing my flight north up the beach, that is a hunting village on
the spit way out there.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/015.jpg
Hunting camp.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/016.jpg
Same up close.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/017.jpg
Out at the end of this spit is the northern most point of the North
American Continent, Point Barrow, Alaska.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/019.jpg
Check it out gang. I am a long way from Titus, Alabama. Shot this
one about two or three miles north of Point Barrow, Alaska, out over
the Arctic Ocean. You can see I have already burned up 43 miles worth
of fuel before. Heading is 099 deg and I am heading east for the
Helmerick's.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/020.jpg
I took a similar shot of Point Barrow from the north three years ago.
This is the turn around point to head back home to Alabama.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/022.jpg
BTW: I made it back to Helmerick's that night. It was late when I
got there, but Teena Helmericks fixed me some left over caribou stew
and a couple cups of hot coffee.
Take care,
john h
Titus, Alabama
Mark III
N101AB
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| Subject: | Re: Barrow, Alaska (correction) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| Maybe this will give some of you, who doubt or do not
| understand, why my MK III has been modified to handle more weight
and
| environments that would put a standard MK III on its nose.
|
| http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/2004c%20190.jpg
Hi All:
The sentence above does not make much sense. It should have read:
"Maybe this will give some of you, who doubt or do not understand, the
reasons I have modified my MK III to handle more weight and operate
off field environments that would put a standard MK III on its nose."
Hope this explains a little better what I was trying to say.
Thanks,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: one for the home team |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
my telling him the story about Don in the Firefly in a 20mph crossw!>>
Hi all,
I dont want to get in to a `my Dad is bigger than your Dad scenario` but my
dealer recently had to fly around 250 miles to an airshow in which he had
booked, and paid for, a sales site.
He flew south, with his wife as passenger, on the `set up` day before the
show, into the teeth of a 30/40 knot wind. He has only recently set up the
dealership and the exposure was very important to him. That afternoon other
planes due to be exhibited were diverting right and left to other fields as
the wind was nearly 90 degrees to the runway.
The tower greeted his request for landing instructions with disbelief and as
he turned finals the Controller said `Its your lucky day, the wind has just
dropped to 35 knots`
He landed safely although the cockpit was covered in all the debris and
loose stuff which accumulates on the floor, almost the only a/.c to get in
that afternoon.
Rather him than me.
Cheers
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
of the
| 912.
| It wants to dig in and takes longer to get on the step compared to a
more
| gradual increase in take-off power.
provide a
| better take-off such as used on the Grumman Goose.
|
| Frank Reynen MKIII @840 hrs
Hi Frank/All:
Yes, this is a problem all suffer from when our airplanes are high
mounted pushers.
The first takeoff with the 912ULS was frightening because the MKIII
seemed to be glued to the grass airstrip at full power. Coming back
off the power Miss P'fer easily broke ground. At that time I came
back on full throttle and continued my climb out.
This is also the reason so many people are amazed that they have to
hold so much aft stick and a lot of nose up trim. I found that
shutting down the engine in flight my MKIII would fly trimmed out
with no nose up trim. Increase power and down the nose goes again.
Doing loops with the old Firestar and 447 were easier with half
throttle than full throttle. At full power the top mounted pusher
worked against the first part of the loop.
Early on, with soft Lord Mounts, my Firestar would fly faster at
partial power than at full power. By coming back on the throttle,
then slowly increasing power I could then get the Firestar to fly at
max speed.
It is an undesireable characteristic that I have learned to live with
since building and flying the FS and MKIII. The old Ultrastar was
just the opposite because of the low mounted engine and prop. It
wanted to get the nose up and off the ground quick.
Yes, too much power on takeoff, whether water, snow, sand, mud, grass,
or asphalt, lengthens rather than shortens takeoff roll.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Barrow, Alaska |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Terrific stuff, John. I'm looking forward to what you saw at Tuk.
Lar. Do not Archive
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Barrow, Alaska
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Good Morning All:
>
> I visited Barrow, Alaska, for the second time in three years, in my
> Kolb Mark III.
>
> For some time I had wanted to land on the beach at the site where Will
> Rogers and Wiley Post were killed, 12 air miles south of the Barrow
> Airport. On my approach to Barrow I decided to go ahead and land,
> visit Barrow and Browersville, refuel, then fly south to the lagoon
> where they crashed and died in 1935, four years before I was born.
>
> I do not always make the best decisions. Flying down to the memorial
> site after refueling was one of them. First, it meant I was at max
> gross weight, minus a gal or two of fuel, when I attempted a beach
> landing. Second, by the time I did the beach landing, flew north back
> to Point Barrow for pictures, and finally started on my flight back to
> Colville Village and the Helmerick's, I had flown 43 miles worth of
> fuel that may have come in handy should I encounter weather on the 150
> mile return flight. Oh well, I live and I continue to learn even
> though I am officially, by US Government descriptions, elderly.
>
> So........I said my goodbye's to the guys in the Barrow FSS, jumped
> into the faithful old Mark III, and flew down the beach, low level to
> the lagoon where Will Rogers and Wiley Post were killed. They were on
> a flight from Fairbanks to Barrow. The ice fog had pretty much
> obscured their route of flight. They were flying the coast north when
> they spotted people at a hunting camp on the lagoon. Wiley landed the
> airplane and asked directions to Barrow. He was told 15 miles up the
> beach. On takeoff from the lagoon, the airplane stalled, crashed, and
> killed both men. Here is what is left of the two monuments erected in
> their memory. Both monuments have been stripped of their bronze
> plaques, long ago, and vandalized. That is the lagoon in the
> background.
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/2004c%20185.jpg
>
> Miss P'fer sits on the beach after a successful landing at max gross
> weight. The Arctic Ocean is on the right. The lagoon is on the left.
> I was standing in front of, south, the monuments. That little white
> thing in the grass in the middle of the picture is a whale skull.
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/2004c%20186.jpg
>
> Miss P'fer waits on the beach to fly me several miles north of Point
> Barrow, then east to the Helmerick's.
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/2004c%20188.jpg
>
> The monuments, what is left of them, are up on the dunes in front of
> the airplane. In front of the monument, to the south, the sand dunes
> were filled with skeletal remains of whales. This lagoon has been the
> site for eskimo hunting camps for many years.
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/2004c%20189.jpg
>
> I landed on the beach to the north. Artic Ocean is on the left and
> the monuments are on the dunes on the right front. Notice how steep
> the slope of the beach is and how soft the sand is. There were also
> cantalope and basketball size rocks on top of the sand. These made my
> landing and roll out interesting. Did not want to break something
> here. Maybe this will give some of you, who doubt or do not
> understand, why my MK III has been modified to handle more weight and
> environments that would put a standard MK III on its nose.
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/2004c%20190.jpg
>
> On the beach.
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/2004c%20191.jpg
>
> Whale bone in foreground. Don't know what kind it was, but it was
> big!
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/2004c%20194.jpg
>
> Soft sand.
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/001.jpg
>
> Same.
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/003.jpg
>
> This is what my approach to runway 06 at Barrow Airport looks like.
> The approach is made from over the Arctic Ocean. The village of
> Barrow is on the left.
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/004.jpg
>
> Flying north up the beach towards Point Barrow. Downtown Barrow on
> the right.
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/006.jpg
>
> These people love the water, although I did not see anyone swimming or
> sunbathing, or water skiing.
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/011.jpg
>
> In the foreground behind the utility pole is an eskimo cemetary north
> of Barrow and Browerville on the way to Point Barrow.
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/014.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Barrow, Alaska, Part II |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
John H,
Great photos. Hope to see some more of the new areas you went and flew
around.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 635 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
Zenith CH701 Project
http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane
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| Subject: | Re: Barrow, Alaska |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject forward to what you saw at Tuk.
| Lar.
Larry/All:
What I saw at Tuk I can tell you in a few minutes and in the few pics
I took while I was there. I landed at the airport, the sun was
shining bright, the wind was howling, it was in the low 40's F, and I
was freezing to death because I had not dressed warmly enough for
outside the cockpit. The airport is a good ways, to far to walk, from
the village. So........I did not make the effort or take the time to
explore. I had flown up from Eagle Plains, halfway point between
Dawson City, YT, and Inuvik, NT, plus another 80+ miles to
Tuktoyaktuk, NT. That required one pee stop at Fort McPherson, NT,
and pee and fuel stop at Inuvik, NT, both ways. As it was, I flew
over 500 miles that day. When I returned to Eagle Plains, the wind
was ripping 90 deg to the Dempster Highway (gravel road) as always.
After being on the go since early that morning, I nearly lost the
airplane upon landing. I had an extremely hard time keeping it on the
road, which is narrow with deep ditch on one side and a 20 to 30 foot
drop off on the other. Had I lost it off the road either way, it
would have been catastrophic for Miss P'fer.
I had already gotten into the "I am on the way home mode" once I had
made Tuktoyaktuk, so there would not be a lot of "tourist" stuff going
on for the rest of the flight back to Alabama.
I'll try and do a segment on the Dempster and Tuktoyaktuk next, with
pics of course. I do not know much about Tuk, historically. There is
info on the web available. Problem with all this info is time. Once
I get into something, I can burn up a day before I realize it. Then
feel guilty because I haven't gotten all the othere crap around
hauck's holler done. And on and on. Tough, ain't it!
Anyhow, I'll do my best to get some pics and info out to you all.
I'll try not to bore the purest Kolb builders on the List. If I do,
hit the delete key. That is what the little sucker is on the key
board for. :-)
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Barrow, Alaska, Part II |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
flew
| around.
|
|
| John Williamson
John W/All:
Doing my best.
BTW, I refueled at Mexico, MO, and also had lunch in town. Did not
take time to tour the Zenith facility which was located just to the
rear of the FBO. Nice folks in Mexico, Mo, both the airport and in
town. Think I'll go back again some time.
That was my next to last fuel stop before I landed at Gantt IAP. By
that time, I was counting off the miles and the minutes. I still had
one more night out before I could crawl into my own bed.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Sprot Pilot and Rotax Engine Prices |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
> I realize a big factor is supply vs. demand, but I can't figure out
> which
> way it will go.
> Any predictions?
>
>
> More expensive, along with everything else except possibly some
> outrageously
expensive real estate. You and I are aware of SP but the general public
isn't.
-even several licensed pilots I've talked to knew nothing about it. So
unless
some ambitious publicity is launched the provision will only serve a
few of us
aging fliers. I know several have pooh-poohed the new category, but i
suspect
that when time comes around for their next flight physical they will
take a pass.
Next item I await is exemption from the 1040 for senior citizens :) -BB
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| Subject: | Question for the list |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In preparation to "shrink wrap" my firestar for the tow from Ohio to Fla. the
question came up of which type of wrap do I want ....the "stretch" wrap or
the "shrink" wrap.
Some of you on the list have used this procedure for transporting in the
past. Do you recall which type you used? Both I guess are clear plastic.
George Randolph
Firestar driver from The Villages
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "G. T. Alexander, Jr." <gtalexander@att.net>
George R.
Try a marina that has winter storage capability. Many of them use the big
sheet stuff (ain't clear) to cover boats for storage. Also transporters (of
boats) use the stuff when hauling boats on open trucks/trailers.
George Alexander
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of GeoR38@aol.com
Subject: Kolb-List: Question for the list
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In preparation to "shrink wrap" my firestar for the tow from Ohio to Fla.
the
question came up of which type of wrap do I want ....the "stretch" wrap or
the "shrink" wrap.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary r. voigt" <johndeereantique@qwest.net>
George, i think i was one of the first people to use this
method...anyway...it does not matter that much which you use, i prefer the
shrink wrap because i felt it did a good job in a med. mil. and got it in
the 18" length and over-lapped 50 - 60% .
good luck,
Gary r. voigt
----- Original Message -----
From: <GeoR38@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Question for the list
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
>
> In preparation to "shrink wrap" my firestar for the tow from Ohio to Fla.
the
> question came up of which type of wrap do I want ....the "stretch" wrap or
> the "shrink" wrap.
> Some of you on the list have used this procedure for transporting in the
> past. Do you recall which type you used? Both I guess are clear plastic.
>
> George Randolph
> Firestar driver from The Villages
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Barrow, Alaska |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Wonderful pictures John. It's nice to see places you've never been and
notice how, at the same time they are different and similar to the places
we live.
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Barrow, Alaska
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Good Morning All:
>
> I visited Barrow, Alaska, for the second time in three years, in my
> Kolb Mark III.
>
> For some time I had wanted to land on the beach at the site where Will
> Rogers and Wiley Post were killed, 12 air miles south of the Barrow
> Airport. On my approach to Barrow I decided to go ahead and land,
> visit Barrow and Browersville, refuel, then fly south to the lagoon
> where they crashed and died in 1935, four years before I was born.
>
> I do not always make the best decisions. Flying down to the memorial
> site after refueling was one of them. First, it meant I was at max
> gross weight, minus a gal or two of fuel, when I attempted a beach
> landing. Second, by the time I did the beach landing, flew north back
> to Point Barrow for pictures, and finally started on my flight back to
> Colville Village and the Helmerick's, I had flown 43 miles worth of
> fuel that may have come in handy should I encounter weather on the 150
> mile return flight. Oh well, I live and I continue to learn even
> though I am officially, by US Government descriptions, elderly.
>
> So........I said my goodbye's to the guys in the Barrow FSS, jumped
> into the faithful old Mark III, and flew down the beach, low level to
> the lagoon where Will Rogers and Wiley Post were killed. They were on
> a flight from Fairbanks to Barrow. The ice fog had pretty much
> obscured their route of flight. They were flying the coast north when
> they spotted people at a hunting camp on the lagoon. Wiley landed the
> airplane and asked directions to Barrow. He was told 15 miles up the
> beach. On takeoff from the lagoon, the airplane stalled, crashed, and
> killed both men. Here is what is left of the two monuments erected in
> their memory. Both monuments have been stripped of their bronze
> plaques, long ago, and vandalized. That is the lagoon in the
> background.
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/2004c%20185.jpg
>
> Miss P'fer sits on the beach after a successful landing at max gross
> weight. The Arctic Ocean is on the right. The lagoon is on the left.
> I was standing in front of, south, the monuments. That little white
> thing in the grass in the middle of the picture is a whale skull.
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/2004c%20186.jpg
>
> Miss P'fer waits on the beach to fly me several miles north of Point
> Barrow, then east to the Helmerick's.
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/2004c%20188.jpg
>
> The monuments, what is left of them, are up on the dunes in front of
> the airplane. In front of the monument, to the south, the sand dunes
> were filled with skeletal remains of whales. This lagoon has been the
> site for eskimo hunting camps for many years.
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/2004c%20189.jpg
>
> I landed on the beach to the north. Artic Ocean is on the left and
> the monuments are on the dunes on the right front. Notice how steep
> the slope of the beach is and how soft the sand is. There were also
> cantalope and basketball size rocks on top of the sand. These made my
> landing and roll out interesting. Did not want to break something
> here. Maybe this will give some of you, who doubt or do not
> understand, why my MK III has been modified to handle more weight and
> environments that would put a standard MK III on its nose.
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/2004c%20190.jpg
>
> On the beach.
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/2004c%20191.jpg
>
> Whale bone in foreground. Don't know what kind it was, but it was
> big!
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/2004c%20194.jpg
>
> Soft sand.
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/001.jpg
>
> Same.
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/003.jpg
>
> This is what my approach to runway 06 at Barrow Airport looks like.
> The approach is made from over the Arctic Ocean. The village of
> Barrow is on the left.
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/004.jpg
>
> Flying north up the beach towards Point Barrow. Downtown Barrow on
> the right.
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/006.jpg
>
> These people love the water, although I did not see anyone swimming or
> sunbathing, or water skiing.
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/011.jpg
>
> In the foreground behind the utility pole is an eskimo cemetary north
> of Barrow and Browerville on the way to Point Barrow.
>
> http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Alaska%202004/014.jpg
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: David Carr <DECarr@direcway.com>
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Hi John and All
Wonderful pictures. That had to be a trip of a lifetime. I have fished Great
Bear Lake in Northwest Territories and flown up to Coppermine on the Arctic
ocean and fished for Grayling and Arctic Char. The scenery is about like you
had at Barrow.
You mention the Helmerick's at Colville. These must be the Helmericks ( Bud
and Constance) or there children who wrote the Books, "We live in Alaska"
The Flight of the Arctic Tern" and at least one other. My Dad and I read
those books from cover to cover and I wrote Book Reports on them at least
twice in the 50s when I was growing up. I think I even met them once at a
show in our High School Auditorium in Charles City, Iowa in the early 50s.
They were putting on a show and tell lecture and slide show for the public.
It was wonderful and as you can see I have never forgot them or their
adventures and the wonderful books. Assuming it is them please let them know
how much I enjoyed their sharing their live in Alaska at that time in our
youth.
You are just a kid! :-) I was born in 1937, just 2 years after the fateful
crash of the plane at Barrow. I have visited Will Rogers home and museum and
grave in Claremore OK several times over the years and have always had a
fondness for him from what I have read about him. I haven't cared for my
body as well as you have so my flying days are over and I am stuck with
Motorhome travel and Campgrounds with heat and lights. Please continue to
share your travels with use Kolbers and Wanabees so we can at least see
those kinds of trips second hand.
David Carr
Wisconsin
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Kolbers,
Put an hour on the Mk-3 last night followed by an hour in my buddies 85hp Cub.
Both were great and puttering along at 2150 rpm in the Cub was very relaxing compared
to the 5500 rpm 2SI banter at cruise.
However, the climb rate and visibility afforded by my Mk-3 is, in the words of
the old Kolb video, (unexcelled).
Really, the cubs blind spots were mindboggling taxiing and in the air. Also the
front seat was really cramped for my 6 foot frame and my feet did not fit to
well between the rudder pedals and the diagonal braces on the floor. Man is a
Cubs rudder responsive compared to my Mk-3, almost touchy!
Anyway, I do love J-3s but I am not planning on trading my Kolb any time soon.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, 58 hrs.
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| Subject: | Re: John Haucks trip |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
wonderful books. Assuming it is them please let them know
| how much I enjoyed their sharing their live in Alaska at that time
in our
| youth.
|
| You are just a kid! :-) I was born in 1937, just 2 years after the
fateful
| crash of the plane at Barrow. I haven't cared for my
| body as well as you have so my flying days are over and I am stuck
with
| Motorhome travel and Campgrounds with heat and lights. Please
continue to
| share your travels with use Kolbers and Wanabees so we can at least
see
| those kinds of trips second hand.
|
| David Carr
Hi David/All:
Don't want to burn up a lot of band width, but some on the Kolb List
might be interested in the Helmericks' family. You are absolutely
correct. Jim is son of Bud and Constance. I have not had the
opportunity to meet Jim's parents. Teena, Jim's wife, has a web page
at: http://astacalaska.com/~jwhgpa/index.html It gives a lot of
history of their family. A google search for "helmericks" and/or
"Colville Village" will also produce information on the family.
I have read but one of their books, "Last of the Great Bush Pilots".
It is a history of early aviation in the Alaska bush and of the
Helmericks family and how they homesteaded the North Slope and the
arctic region of Alaska.
These are special people. I am grateful I have had the opportunity to
spend some time with them in their home and on their island. All of
this has been made possible because of the Kolb airplane.
Thanks for the compliment, but today I don't feel like a kid. :-) My
favorite method of travel is 5th wheel drug around by my old
Dodge/Cummins pickup. I too like the heat and lights, queen sized
bed, and hot showers.
Take care,
john h
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