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1. 02:52 AM - Re: Fuel transfer (Dan Charter)
2. 05:53 AM - Re: kolb chat (Paul Petty)
3. 06:01 AM - Re: Fuel transfer (snuffy@usol.com)
4. 06:25 AM - Re: static discharge (dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford))
5. 06:56 AM - Re: Fuel transfer (Thom Riddle)
6. 07:01 AM - snuck out this morning (robert bean)
7. 08:33 AM - Re: Fuel transfer (Edward Chmielewski)
8. 11:09 AM - Re: Fuel transfer (Bob N.)
9. 11:38 AM - Deep Inside Rotax Video (Jon Croke)
10. 11:40 AM - Re: snuck out this morning (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
11. 12:21 PM - Forced Landings (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
12. 01:40 PM - Re: Forced Landings (GeoR38@aol.com)
13. 02:51 PM - Mk3/912 flight test (H MITCHELL)
14. 04:02 PM - Re: Mk3/912 flight test (robert bean)
15. 05:39 PM - Re: Re: static discharge message of Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:56:38 (Jim O'Day)
16. 06:13 PM - Re: snuck out this morning (richard swiderski)
17. 06:30 PM - Re: Mk3/912 flight test (Beauford)
18. 06:34 PM - Re: snuck out this morning (Denny Rowe)
19. 06:47 PM - Re: snuck out this morning (Beauford)
20. 07:36 PM - Re: Mk3/912 flight test (H MITCHELL)
21. 08:21 PM - Re: Lar's tires (Richard Pike)
22. 08:29 PM - Re: Re: Lar's tires (Bob N.)
23. 09:33 PM - Re: Forced Landings (Duncan McBride)
24. 10:40 PM - Re: Forced Landings (garvelink)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel transfer |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
Just trying to get some unsuspecting person some info. If you go thru the
trouble of grounding everything that you think is right and have a fire
because of it, Would really suck. I don't ground as of yet but it wouldn't
be an 18" rod. They will do absolutely nothing in dry ground. Might as well
just step on the wire. With a 6' rod you could most likely make to some
ground moisture. It's your plane. Carry a ground rod if you want. How many
people fueling have a fire extinguisher real handy along side the plane I
don't. But we're supposed to. Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel transfer
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
> Copper ground rods are the length that they are for a reason. Pound the
> > entire length in leaving only enough to attach your ground wire.
>
> Should we also carry this ground rod around with us when we fly Xcountry
> like John H. does and pound it in the ground at every fuel stop? Kirk
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
No probs Denny,
I understand... see I sit/stand behind one of these machines all day and for
most of the time, or some of this time, I am on standby. Waiting on my next
customer/employee/victim to require my attention....
yall have fun out there and be careful now ya hear!
pp
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: kolb chat
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
>
> > Kolbers,
> > I sure wish some of you would try the Kolb chat room sometimes it's fun
> and Live!
> >
> > Paul Petty
> > Building Ms. Dixie
> > Kolbra/912UL/Warp
> >
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> Sorry Paul,
> I catch hell for the time I spend checking Kolb and Sonex list stuff now,
If
> I got on Kolb chat I would never get anything done until after the
divorce.
> This computer stuff is a real black hole for free time.
>
> Denny Rowe
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel transfer |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com
> trouble of grounding everything that you think is right and have a fire
> because of it, Would really suck. I don't ground as of yet but it wouldn't
> be an 18" rod. They will do absolutely nothing in dry ground. Might as
well
> just step on the wire. With a 6' rod you could most likely make to some
> ground moisture.
It ain't about grounds it's about a difference in potential between the
fuel tank and the filling container. If you short circuit those
together, no difference can exist and no spark can occur. If you want
to run the short ciircuit or very low impedance path through the ground
be my guest. Kirk
Do not
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| Subject: | Re: static discharge |
message of Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:56:38 -0700
--> Kolb-List message posted by: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford)
A lot of the static discharge dangers lie also in our bodies
accumulating a charge...witness the examples of auto fueling when the
person doing the fueling slides into the car for whatever reason, then
resumes fueling/replacing the nozzle. A good idea to dissipate both the
human charge and the can/fill nozzle static charge is to make direct
contact using your bare hand between the fueling container and the fuel
tank or receiving receptacle. With the smaller 5 or 10 gallon amounts
we use, this would eliminate the smaller buildups of static charges.
Larger quantities would make either constant hand contact or repeated
contact every few gallons desirable....that static "shock" we've all
felt is what ignites the fumes....whether its from a fingertip or from a
plastic can. Dry climates make things worse.
Long live Willie Nelson
Mike in WV
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel transfer |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
For those who don't get to Tennessee much, they probably don't know that cell phones
cause fires ONLY in this great state.:-). I always turn off my cell phone
when navigating through TN on my way to visit my daughter and friends in Atlanta.
An ounce of prevention and all that.
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | snuck out this morning |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Kolbers, I managed to get in two takeoffs and landings this morning.
At daybreak it
looked calm out the window so I went the 25 miles to the airport, gave
it a quick
preflight and warmup, and taxied out. The breeze was just picking up
by now but
was straight down the runway. After one of the local farmers drove
down the edge
checking on his crop I took off. Good climb out at 50 mph, sorta feels
like a B-52
with the nearly level attitude. After checking out the local scenery
and emergency
sites I headed back over for a landing. That being uneventful, I went
up again,
made a couple turns and by now it was getting gusty/bumpy. Glad I have
a
good 3 point harness with no doors. Turning from base to final I felt
like I was
operating a butter churn which convinced me to call it a day.
I'm sure looking forward to some nice weather, the little Kolb flies as
advertised
and cruises easily with the throttle pulled way back. -BB
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel transfer |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Thom/All,
Good point! I understand the cell phone/fueling issue is an urban legend,
but a lot of station operators buy
into it nonetheless.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel transfer
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
>
> For those who don't get to Tennessee much, they probably don't know that cell
phones cause fires ONLY in this great
state.:-). I always turn off my cell phone when navigating through TN on my way
to visit my daughter and friends in
Atlanta. An ounce of prevention and all that.
>
> Thom in Buffalo
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel transfer |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Local arpt doesn't take kindly to hammering a rod of any length into
their concrete. How abt clipping onto a tiedown ring, like the fuel
wagon does? Ok, ok, so I don't get to fly off grass!
BUTT, you could hire one of the Baghdady guards who specialize in
attaching clips---owwww.
Bob N.
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| Subject: | Deep Inside Rotax Video |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
This is an advertisement (Kolb related, tho!) so be warned that this will be my
only posting of this matter! (as per Matt's guidelines)
My little production company has just finished another film entitled 'Deep Inside
your Rotax 2 Cycle Engine'
We were fortunate enought to contract the services of a Rotax repair station to
produce this DVD which displays and explains a 2 cycle engine disassembly and
inspection. Probably has the most complete carburetor overhaul demonstration
I've ever seen!
The website www.HomebuiltHELP.com has all the info (lots of pictures) on this 2 hr movie and I wont talk price here, but it is quite reasonable. I am looking for feedback as soon as possible (this is HOT off the presses) and for anyone that purchases a copy and provides me with a review (email OK) before the end of next month (September) I will send a free copy of the Sun n Fun airshow 2004 DVD (with all of the Kolbs flying) that we made earlier this year. (If you already own that, then I'll just refund your original purchase price for that!)
One of the many things I learned during filming of this project was the impact
that MOISTURE has on the insides of the engine... I never took seriously the covering
of the air filters and exhaust port while in storage.... but after witnessing
the crank inspection during this disassembly... it is quite clear that
you may want to give this some thought. (free pics of this on the website).
I have more repsect now for those 150 hr inspections!
Jon
FSII
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| Subject: | Re: snuck out this morning |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
I assume this was you first flight. Congratulations! There is nothing like
that first flight in a plane you built.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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----- Original Message -----
From: "robert bean" <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: snuck out this morning
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
> Kolbers, I managed to get in two takeoffs and landings this morning.
> At daybreak it
> looked calm out the window so I went the 25 miles to the airport, gave
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Duncan asked why I retracted the flaps just before my forced landing and I never
responded.
My theory is that most of us normally carry some power all the way into landing.
In a forced situation the no flap landing is closer to a normal flaps with power
landing. Yes as we you get more proficient it might be best to all our normal
landings with flaps and no power? I figure it is best to do your forced landing
as close to normal as possible. Also it takes a really deft hand to rotate
at the right split second to get a good landing with no power and some/full
flaps. In a forced landing situation most of us are already stressed and don't
need to add to it the need for such precise timing for rotation. The idea is
that with no flaps you will have some float time so that you can grease it in
with the tail touching just before the main gear. You do have a slightly higher
landing speed but in a my forced landing situation I think I was able to slow
the plane down more than I would have been able to if I had left the flaps
on.
Again my technique is use flaps to make the field or landing spot then retract
them all the way for landing. Hey it worked for me!
My $.02 worth
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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| Subject: | Re: Forced Landings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 8/28/2004 3:22:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
NeilsenRM@comcast.net writes:
In a forced landing situation most of us are already stressed and don't need
to add to it the need for such precise timing for rotation. The idea is that
with no flaps you will have some float time so that you can grease it in with
the tail touching just before the main gear. You do have a slightly higher
landing speed but in a my forced landing situation I think I was able to slow the
plane down more than I would have been able to if I had left the flaps on.
Again my technique is use flaps to make the field or landing spot then
retract them all the way for landing. Hey it worked for me!
My $.02 worth
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
For a glider pilot, the same technique is used, only every time, ....to use
the spoilers to drop out of the sky to where you want ot be just above the
ground, then get rid of them just before actual touchdown. Flaps are a slightly
less effective form of spoilers...both create turbulence and drag and cause a
greater angle of declination once a stable speed is achieved.
George Randolph
the ol glider pilot
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| Subject: | Mk3/912 flight test |
Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:51:19 -0400
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
'Rolled her out just as the sun came up. OAT85 Deg., humidity ~ 85 %, dead calm,
patchy ground fog, no ceiling. Previous entry in flight test log reminded me
that my max rpm only of 4,800 was well below the 5,500 cruise max and that I
had cranked in two more degrees of pitch. 'Love that IVO. I toped off the fuel
tanks, did my check list preflight and strapped in. By this time my main wind
shield had fogged up and I had to get out and clear it before start up.
I had the whole airport to myself so I just taxied out, checked for local traffic
and departed for the my favorite test area. Used John H's advice not to use
full throttle until she lifts off. It worked perfectly. I increased the throttle
to max during climb-out and she went to 1000'/min @ ~ 55 mph. I am sure she
could do better but today's test objective was to record speed @ various rpm
settings so I leveled off for a slow climb to 2,000' and made for the test area.
At the test area I made eight runs in both directions recording rpm, IAS and GPS
speed. The resulting values ranged from 60 mph @ 4400 rpm, to 80 mph @ 5410
rpm (max). Based on these results I should increase my prop pitch up ~ one Deg.
and fly one more verification test. The use of my GPS in this test also verified
the accuracy of the IAS/ROC static system. With the turn testing behind me
and airspeed tests nearly complete I'll be looking forward to stall/glide testing
next. This flight was also gave me a chance to see if she could be made
to fly hands-off. At 4400 rpm using the Kolb pitch trim, the John H. rudder tab
and the bungy aileron trim she would do it for a while but still needed an occasional
nudge. 'Need to try it again after the prop pitch is increased.
When I got back to the airport I did two touch-and-goes then landed and started
on my log book entries. Post-flight inspection showed no oil or coolant leakage
at the engine or on tail surfaces, prop movement detectors were tight and fuel
consumption was normal.
Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL, Mk3/912, FireFly/enclosed trailer for
sale
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| Subject: | Re: Mk3/912 flight test |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Congrats on a successful first flight. Wish I'd had some of that calm
air to establish some
numbers too. Anyway I got to teach myself how to fly a Kolb. I think
a Luscombe 8E
was more intimidating.
May those 40 hours burn away happily. -BB do not archive
On 28, Aug 2004, at 5:51 PM, H MITCHELL wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
>
>
> 'Rolled her out just as the sun came up. OAT85 Deg., humidity ~ 85 %,
> dead calm, patchy ground fog, no ceiling. Previous entry in flight
> test log reminded me that my max rpm only of 4,800 was well below the
> 5,500 cruise max and that I had cranked in two more degrees of pitch.
> 'Love that IVO. I toped off the fuel tanks, did my check list
> preflight and strapped in. By this time my main wind shield had fogged
> up and I had to get out and clear it before start up.
>
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| Subject: | Re: static discharge message of Fri, 27 Aug 2004 |
23:56:38
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim O'Day" <oday@cableone.net>
Mike is right on, the "touch" is everything. If the planes metal wheels,
this would not be as much of an issue. My company sells fueling equipment
and we are on a mission to get people to "start touching". Everything you
ever wanted to learn about static fires and fueling seems to be here.
http://www.pei.org/static/index.htm
Jim
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>
> A lot of the static discharge dangers lie also in our bodies
> accumulating a charge...witness the examples of auto fueling when the
> person doing the fueling slides into the car for whatever reason, then
> resumes fueling/replacing the nozzle. A good idea to dissipate both the
> human charge and the can/fill nozzle static charge is to make direct
> contact using your bare hand between the fueling container and the fuel
> tank or receiving receptacle. With the smaller 5 or 10 gallon amounts
> we use, this would eliminate the smaller buildups of static charges.
> Larger quantities would make either constant hand contact or repeated
> contact every few gallons desirable....that static "shock" we've all
> felt is what ignites the fumes....whether its from a fingertip or from a
> plastic can. Dry climates make things worse.
>
> Long live Willie Nelson
>
> Mike in WV
> do not archive
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| Subject: | snuck out this morning |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "richard swiderski" <swiderski@isp.com>
Bob,
Way to go! I can't wait to hear what kind of performance numbers
that little Geo engine will give. ... Richard Swiderski
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert bean
Subject: Kolb-List: snuck out this morning
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Kolbers, I managed to get in two takeoffs and landings this morning.
At daybreak it
looked calm out the window so I went the 25 miles to the airport, gave
it a quick
preflight and warmup, and taxied out. The breeze was just picking up
by now but
was straight down the runway. After one of the local farmers drove
down the edge
checking on his crop I took off. Good climb out at 50 mph, sorta feels
like a B-52
with the nearly level attitude. After checking out the local scenery
and emergency
sites I headed back over for a landing. That being uneventful, I went
up again,
made a couple turns and by now it was getting gusty/bumpy. Glad I have
a
good 3 point harness with no doors. Turning from base to final I felt
like I was
operating a butter churn which convinced me to call it a day.
I'm sure looking forward to some nice weather, the little Kolb flies as
advertised
and cruises easily with the throttle pulled way back. -BB
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Mk3/912 flight test |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Duane...
Sincere congrats to you, Sir... Glad it all went well and that your
machine appears to be in reusable condition after the first event... Must
feel good to be operating in the wonderful world of four-strokes...! I'm
looking forward to seeing it when you fly her down this way.
Now if 'ol what's-his-name, out west there... can get HIS act together... we
may have yet another
MkIII flying... I heard the set of tires he had on it dry rotted off and
he is presently waiting for new ones... and it gets worse because 'ya gotta
realize that the rotten set were replacements for the original wooden wheels
that Kolb was putting on 'em back when he ordered his kit...
Beauford
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----- Original Message -----
From: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Mk3/912 flight test
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
>
>
> 'Rolled her out just as the sun came up. >
>>
> Post-flight inspection showed no oil or coolant leakage at the engine or
> on tail surfaces, prop movement detectors were tight and fuel consumption
> was normal.
>
> Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL,>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: snuck out this morning |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Bob B wrote:
> Kolbers, I managed to get in two takeoffs and landings this morning.
> At daybreak it
> looked calm out the window so I went the 25 miles to the airport, gave>
and cruises easily with the throttle pulled way back. -BB
> do not archive
>
> Way to go Bob! Congrats, Enjoy and fly safe, we are all looking foreward
to hearing your performance numbers.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA
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| Subject: | Re: snuck out this morning |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Good on 'ya, Bob... Well done... Congratulations...!!!
Beauford
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----- Original Message -----
From: "robert bean" <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: snuck out this morning
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
> Kolbers, I managed to get in two takeoffs and landings this morning.
> At daybreak it
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mk3/912 flight test |
Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:36:03 -0400
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
Beauford, It is always great to hear from you. I always read your posts and they
always make me think or laugh or both.
I am also looking at the Kolb gathering next month but as you well know it is
a lo-o-ong ride up there. I am even thinking about flying to Cincinnati ($227)
and riding down from there with Gene Ledbetter. Ideas?
Are you going to make it to Sebring in Oct? 'Looks like they might be some competition
to Lakeland before long. Unless I get about 30 hours on my plane in
the next month or so I will still be restricted to my home area.
Duane Mitchell
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
You think Beauford's joking - I bought Lar's original wheels and tires when
he decided to go the tundra route - and they are dry rotted!!!
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
(planning to add tubes to his MKIII tires...)
At 09:31 PM 8/28/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>
>Duane...
><snip>
>Now if 'ol what's-his-name, out west there... can get HIS act together... we
>may have yet another
>MkIII flying... I heard the set of tires he had on it dry rotted off and
>he is presently waiting for new ones... and it gets worse because 'ya gotta
>realize that the rotten set were replacements for the original wooden wheels
>that Kolb was putting on 'em back when he ordered his kit...
>
>Beauford
>Do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Sure-far remedy fer rotted tars--coupla cee-ment blocks.
Bob N.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Forced Landings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Duncan McBride" <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
The key is to make the emergency landing just like every other landing you
have been making for the last few years. If you work the flaps on the
approach and retract them when you have made the spot, then an emergency
landing should follow the same routine. Richard's successful outcome proves
this method.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Forced Landings
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen"
<NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
>
> Duncan asked why I retracted the flaps just before my forced landing and I
never responded.
>
> My theory is that most of us normally carry some power all the way into
landing. In a forced situation the no flap landing is closer to a normal
flaps with power landing. Yes as we you get more proficient it might be best
to all our normal landings with flaps and no power? I figure it is best to
do your forced landing as close to normal as possible. Also it takes a
really deft hand to rotate at the right split second to get a good landing
with no power and some/full flaps. In a forced landing situation most of us
are already stressed and don't need to add to it the need for such precise
timing for rotation. The idea is that with no flaps you will have some float
time so that you can grease it in with the tail touching just before the
main gear. You do have a slightly higher landing speed but in a my forced
landing situation I think I was able to slow the plane down more than I
would have been able to if I had left the flaps on.
>
> Again my technique is use flaps to make the field or landing spot then
retract them all the way for landing. Hey it worked for me!
>
> My $.02 worth
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Forced Landings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "garvelink" <link@cdc.net>
I would like to clarify something. I am a pivate pilot with about 120 hrs
of time just enought to be dangerous. I recall in traning that to take your
flaps off could be very dangerous close to the ground at least in a 150 or
172.. the reason being is that the plane will fly at a slower speed with
flaps on and when you talk them off you could induce a stall.
Steve Garvelink
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan McBride" <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Forced Landings
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Duncan McBride"
<duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
>
> The key is to make the emergency landing just like every other landing you
> have been making for the last few years. If you work the flaps on the
> approach and retract them when you have made the spot, then an emergency
> landing should follow the same routine. Richard's successful outcome
proves
> this method.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Forced Landings
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen"
> <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
> >
> > Duncan asked why I retracted the flaps just before my forced landing and
I
> never responded.
> >
> > My theory is that most of us normally carry some power all the way into
> landing. In a forced situation the no flap landing is closer to a normal
> flaps with power landing. Yes as we you get more proficient it might be
best
> to all our normal landings with flaps and no power? I figure it is best to
> do your forced landing as close to normal as possible. Also it takes a
> really deft hand to rotate at the right split second to get a good landing
> with no power and some/full flaps. In a forced landing situation most of
us
> are already stressed and don't need to add to it the need for such precise
> timing for rotation. The idea is that with no flaps you will have some
float
> time so that you can grease it in with the tail touching just before the
> main gear. You do have a slightly higher landing speed but in a my forced
> landing situation I think I was able to slow the plane down more than I
> would have been able to if I had left the flaps on.
> >
> > Again my technique is use flaps to make the field or landing spot then
> retract them all the way for landing. Hey it worked for me!
> >
> > My $.02 worth
> >
> > Rick Neilsen
> > Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
> >
> >
>
>
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