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1. 03:34 AM - Re: Fuel transfer (Kirk Smith)
2. 05:06 AM - Re: free mags (G. T. Alexander, Jr.)
3. 05:47 AM - Re: static charge (Thom Riddle)
4. 06:09 AM - Re: Forced Landings (Thom Riddle)
5. 06:14 AM - Re: Forced Landings (Thom Riddle)
6. 06:28 AM - gasahol (robert bean)
7. 06:32 AM - Re: static charge (Kirk Smith)
8. 06:48 AM - Re: Forced Landings (Jack & Louise Hart)
9. 08:41 AM - Re: (Kelvin Kurkowski)
10. 09:17 AM - Re: (Beauford)
11. 09:25 AM - Re: static charge aka deers &chickens (Bob N.)
12. 09:43 AM - AzDave's "New" Old plane (John Williamson)
13. 09:46 AM - Re: static charge aka deers &chickens (robert bean)
14. 10:02 AM - Re: AzDave's "New" Old plane (John Hauck)
15. 10:04 AM - Re: (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
16. 11:03 AM - Re: Forced Landings (Earl & Mim Zimmerman)
17. 03:12 PM - Re: AzDave's "New" Old plane (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
18. 04:16 PM - Flight test report with no testing to report (H MITCHELL)
19. 04:38 PM - Re: Flight test report with no testing to report (John Hauck)
20. 04:42 PM - Re: AzDave's "New" Old plane (Bob Dalton)
21. 04:45 PM - Re: AzDave's "New" Old plane (bryan green)
22. 04:48 PM - Re: (bryan green)
23. 05:01 PM - Re: Forced Landings (Thom Riddle)
24. 06:57 PM - Re: AzDave's "New" Old plane (Denny Rowe)
25. 07:02 PM - SE Ohio Kolb Viewed (Gene Ledbetter)
26. 07:36 PM - Re: Forced Landings (Guy and Jodi Swenson)
27. 08:16 PM - Re: Forced Landings (John Hauck)
28. 08:44 PM - Prop question (kfackler)
29. 08:56 PM - Re: Forced Landings (dama)
30. 09:10 PM - Re: Re: Lar's tires (Larry Bourne)
31. 09:10 PM - Re: Mk3/912 flight test (Larry Bourne)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel transfer |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
> I don't use any type ground wire system when I fuel my airplane out of
> plastic 5 gal cans, which I have done since Ultrastar days in 1984.
> With all the clamps, wiring, rods, and other paraphernalia you all are
> talking about, seems you may be creating more spark hazard that way
> than using the system most of us use. That is, dumping the gas in the
> plane. Hope mine does not blow up next time I add 5 or 10 gals.
>
> john h
Exactly my point! Nobody carries 6 foot long ground rods around driving
them in the ground all over the place. We just pour the fuel in. Kirk
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "G. T. Alexander, Jr." <gtalexander@att.net>
Kolb List:
In addition to the War Department and the Grim Reaper, I need the space in a
moving van that mags would take up. (Most every month for about the last 10
years, only a few missing). Same deal as the Grey Baron's.... Want 'em?
Pay the freight, they're yours.
Let me know.
George Alexander
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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-----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
>
> I'm putting this on the Kolb list first.
>
> Due to some pressure, mainly from The War Department, and the Grim
> Reaper, I want to get rid/giveaway a large pile of Ultralight Flying!
> mags, dating from late '95 to early '03. Pile is maybe two feet high,
> weight unknown. I'll give them to anyone, free (as in a Free Gift) if
> the recipient pays the freight/UPS. In fact, I'll send first and wait
> for the UPS repayment. I surely dislike just taking them to the dump.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: static charge |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
At what altitude did you encounter these deer? All my close encounters with deer
have been on the runway, so far.:-)
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | Re: Forced Landings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
The only way I can make what I call a steep approach in the FireStar is to slip
aggressively. The one time I cut the engine on final it did increase the steepness
but it did not seem to do so as much as I expected. Perhaps I expected more
than I should have.
My perspective may be colored by my flying experience in a Zenith CH701 I once
owned. My favorite approach in that bird was to come in high, cut power add full
flaps and point the nose at the end of the runway. That airplane with full
flaps was so dirty that it would not get above about 70 mph at an alarmingly steep
angle. Then flare and the speed would be down to near stall in a heartbeat.
This airplane with full flaps flew more like a brick than anything else I've
ever flown. Most 701 pilots never use full flaps. Compared to that 701, the
FireStar is a glider! On a positive note, the 701 has the best slow flight control
in all three axes of anything I've flown. Many Kolbs will take off as quick
or quicker than a 582 powered 701 but I've flown nothing that can land shorter
than a 701.
Thom
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| Subject: | Re: Forced Landings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
I can fly the FireStar along the runway with the tail wheel touching and the mains
off the ground. Of course this take power and is likely the only pitch control
you have in this situation.
Thom
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Kolbers, when I filled my tank recently I bought it at a sunoco
station.
Only after completing the purchase (midgrade octane) did I notice
the tag on the pump stating it was 20% !!!! ethanol. I noticed
during the takeoff roll I wasn't getting as much rpm as before.
The energy in alcohol is less than gasoline so I wasn't really
surprised,
but I shall not use it anymore in the future if at all possible.
The plane performed ok but I'll have to wait for the next tank full to
record any meaningful data. -BB do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: static charge |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
I personally have only encountered deer at altitude on Christmas eve. The
only chickens at altitude were in the cockpit. Kirk
> At what altitude did you encounter these deer? All my close encounters
with deer have been on the runway, so far.:-)
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| Subject: | Re: Forced Landings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 11:19 PM 8/29/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>How does this maneuver improve the quality of a forced landing if it
>is done with power in the demonstration and the forced landing is done
>with dead stick?
>
John, & FireFlyers,
The point is that if one touches the tail wheel first you are reducing (in
my case) wing loading by about 10%. This means the wing will keep the main
wheels off until the ground until it slows to the point where it can not
support the remaining 90%. Therefore the main wheels will touch down at a
slower forward speed than the tail wheel. The principle is the same whether
there is power available or not.
The demonstration is something anyone can attempt. All one has to do with
the stick back against the stop is to keep teasing the throttle until the
plane gets light, and then finally the next tease will cause the main gear
to lift off. There will be enough aileron and rudder control to keep the
wings level and to steer it straight down the runway. The teasing is
important, because if you advance the throttle too quickly, the wing will want
to pop up. As one eases the throttle back, the main gear will settle back onto
the runway. It is important to do this on a hard surface runway so that
rolling resistance is minimal. As I have written before, if one gets
uncomfortable they can let the stick go forward and add throttle, or they
can close the throttle and let the main gear come back down.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List: |
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kelvin Kurkowski" <kkurkow@chase3000.com>
Gentlemen, am I ever sorry. You are very right, I have followed this list
long enough to have watched a couple of other sensitive issues discussed. I
had no intention of forwarding it to the list, and I'm not sure how I did
it. Since I always use blind carbon copy, I can't look back and see how and
why it happened. To make matters worse I was not here over the weekend I
didn't know what I'd done till now. I had forwarded it to a couple of
friends that follow the political arena on both party sides and hoped to
find out if it actually occurred or not. Again, my apologies to all.
Kelvin K
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> Mr Kurkowski....
> The fact that you have a belief system is a good thing... many people do
> not... IMHO, everyone ought to believe something...or another... and
most
> of us certainly appreciate that a lot of good men have died over the years
> to give you the right to express your opinion across the length and
breadth
> of our great nation...
>
> That said, the fact that you saw fit to break into this airplane
enthusiast
> forum to inject your non-Kolb personal between-your-ears business is
> unfortunate... and is indicatative, at least to me, that you don't
> understand this list, or how poorly received your words are likely to be
> here...
>
> I predict that what WILL certainly be passed on here, Mr. Kurkowski, is
not
> the political message you fervently pushed, but rather the absolutely
> astounding fool you made of yourself on this forum with your post, and how
> little most of us appreciated hearing from a zealot such as yourself in
this
> protected group.... We do airplanes, here, Sir... Kolb airplanes.
>
> Please feel free to rejoin us when you are prepared to discuss Kolb
> aircraft... but I warn you, I suspect you will begin that discussion from
a
> position of profound disadvantage...
>
> Sincerely,
> Beauford
> FF 076
> Brandon, FL
> Do Not Archive
>
> P.S. Kurkowski.... How did you get our number?
> b.
>
>
> Show us the courtesy of
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kelvin Kurkowski" <kkurkow@chase3000.com>
> To: "Brownlee JHL Ranch" <jhlbeef@jhlbeef.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List:
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kelvin Kurkowski"
> > <kkurkow@chase3000.com>
> >
> >> >The Lord has a way of revealing those of us who really know him, and
> > those
> >> >that don't! Think about it! Kerry gave a big speech last week about
> >> >how
> >> >his faith is so "important" to him. In this attempt to convince the
> >> >American people that we should consider him for president, he
> >> >announced that his favorite Bible verse is John 16:3.
> >> >Of course the speech writer meant John 3:16, but nobody in the Kerry
> >> >camp
> >> >was familiar enough with scripture to catch the error. And do you
know
> >> >what
> >> >John 16:3 says?
> >> >
> >> >John 16:3 says; "They will do such things because they have not known
> > the
> >> >Father or me."
> >> >
> >> >The Spirit works in strange ways.
> >> >Pass it on VOTE, VOTE, VOTE!!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List: |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Mr Kurkowski...
An explanation graciously offered, and one which I predict will be easily
accepted by the Kolbers,Sir...
We have all hit the dreaded wrong button at one time or another...
My personal apology to you and the Listers for being all too quick to assume
the worst...
Best Regards,
Beauford
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelvin Kurkowski" <kkurkow@chase3000.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kelvin Kurkowski"
> <kkurkow@chase3000.com>
>
I> had no intention of forwarding it to the list, and I'm not sure how I
did
> it. > do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
> : http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: static charge aka deers &chickens |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
I have bagged a seagull and a barn owl in old 172. The seagull bashed in
LE near tip, the owl took out a tip light and nearby mounting. . Noise
is scary. Too slow fer deer.
Bob N.
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| Subject: | AzDave's "New" Old plane |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Hi Kolbers,
AzDave sent me these photos of his new paint job at my request. His old
paint scheme was a solid red paint job. His new one has added some color
that really sets it off.
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/Photos/Aug2604-010.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/Photos/Aug2604-012.jpg
Thanks Dave for sharing with me and hope you don't get to upset with me
showing off your nice work.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 637 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
Zenith CH701 Project
http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane
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| Subject: | Re: static charge aka deers &chickens |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Around here duck season is hazardous at pattern altitudes.
(not wabbit season, elmer fudd, 1957?)
Big NE hangglider meet here this week @ Fingerlakes Aerosports
I may have to (ugh) drive over and watch a bit, competition on Saturday
-BB, rowing ark around town, do not archive
On 30, Aug 2004, at 12:25 PM, Bob N. wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
>
> I have bagged a seagull and a barn owl in old 172. The seagull bashed
> in
> LE near tip, the owl took out a tip light and nearby mounting. . Noise
> is scary. Too slow fer deer.
>
> Bob N.
>
> do not archive
>
>
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
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> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AzDave's "New" Old plane |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
with me
| showing off your nice work.
|
|
| John Williamson
Hi John W/Dave/All:
Amazing what a little paint will do. You sure this is the same bird
we saw at MV?
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List: |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Accepted - enjoy the list.
AzDave
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelvin Kurkowski" <kkurkow@chase3000.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kelvin Kurkowski"
<kkurkow@chase3000.com>
>
> Gentlemen, am I ever sorry. You are very right, I have followed this list
> long enough to have watched a couple of other sensitive issues discussed.
I
> had no intention of forwarding it to the list, and I'm not sure how I did
> it. Since I always use blind carbon copy, I can't look back and see how
and
> why it happened. To make matters worse I was not here over the weekend I
> didn't know what I'd done till now. I had forwarded it to a couple of
> friends that follow the political arena on both party sides and hoped to
> find out if it actually occurred or not. Again, my apologies to all.
> Kelvin K
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List:
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
> >
> > Mr Kurkowski....
> > The fact that you have a belief system is a good thing... many people do
> > not... IMHO, everyone ought to believe something...or another... and
> most
> > of us certainly appreciate that a lot of good men have died over the
years
> > to give you the right to express your opinion across the length and
> breadth
> > of our great nation...
> >
> > That said, the fact that you saw fit to break into this airplane
> enthusiast
> > forum to inject your non-Kolb personal between-your-ears business is
> > unfortunate... and is indicatative, at least to me, that you don't
> > understand this list, or how poorly received your words are likely to be
> > here...
> >
> > I predict that what WILL certainly be passed on here, Mr. Kurkowski, is
> not
> > the political message you fervently pushed, but rather the absolutely
> > astounding fool you made of yourself on this forum with your post, and
how
> > little most of us appreciated hearing from a zealot such as yourself in
> this
> > protected group.... We do airplanes, here, Sir... Kolb airplanes.
> >
> > Please feel free to rejoin us when you are prepared to discuss Kolb
> > aircraft... but I warn you, I suspect you will begin that discussion
from
> a
> > position of profound disadvantage...
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Beauford
> > FF 076
> > Brandon, FL
> > Do Not Archive
> >
> > P.S. Kurkowski.... How did you get our number?
> > b.
> >
> >
> > Show us the courtesy of
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kelvin Kurkowski" <kkurkow@chase3000.com>
> > To: "Brownlee JHL Ranch" <jhlbeef@jhlbeef.com>
> > Subject: Kolb-List:
> >
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kelvin Kurkowski"
> > > <kkurkow@chase3000.com>
> > >
> > >> >The Lord has a way of revealing those of us who really know him, and
> > > those
> > >> >that don't! Think about it! Kerry gave a big speech last week
about
> > >> >how
> > >> >his faith is so "important" to him. In this attempt to convince the
> > >> >American people that we should consider him for president, he
> > >> >announced that his favorite Bible verse is John 16:3.
> > >> >Of course the speech writer meant John 3:16, but nobody in the Kerry
> > >> >camp
> > >> >was familiar enough with scripture to catch the error. And do you
> know
> > >> >what
> > >> >John 16:3 says?
> > >> >
> > >> >John 16:3 says; "They will do such things because they have not
known
> > > the
> > >> >Father or me."
> > >> >
> > >> >The Spirit works in strange ways.
> > >> >Pass it on VOTE, VOTE, VOTE!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Forced Landings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi@supernet.com>
Thom Riddle wrote:
Compared to that 701, the FireStar is a glider!
I have flown your firestar and it is a glider compared to the other
kolbs that I have flown! Much more so than the wider two seaters.
~ Earl Z.
P.S. By the way do you still have it, or did you get it sold?
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| Subject: | Re: AzDave's "New" Old plane |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Thanks guys. Yeah, lots of paint and decals - step son made them.
AzDave
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: AzDave's "New" Old plane
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> | Thanks Dave for sharing with me and hope you don't get to upset
> with me
>
> Hi John W/Dave/All:
>
> Amazing what a little paint will do. You sure this is the same bird
> we saw at MV?
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Flight test report with no testing to report |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:13:13 -0400
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
Lifted off Sunday at ~ 0700 and headed away from the airport for a pure joyride.
Toured over the local tomato farms to see where they are installing miles of
black poly sheeting for the fall crop. Passed over a country church with a full
parking lot. Throttled back to lower my engine noise and glided for a while
to avoid annoying the congregation. Yes Rev. Pike I know I should have been in
the church, not over it. Amen.
On final I reduced throttle to idle and set up for a touchdown on the numbers.
Surprise, the engine died. When I saw that I was a teensy bit low habit forced
me to give the throttle a nudge and she roared to life. The 912 is so quiet at
idle I just thought she died. Vastly different from my FireFly.
With all the rain we have been having the grass around here grows appox 2" per
day. Fourteen-inch-high grass looks just like lawn grass until you try to land
on it. My landing was not a "ten" but the gear did not bend and I was still smiling
as I mowed my way back to the hangar. The smart option would have been
to use the asphalt.
As I was hosing her off the multitudes started showing up so I put dried her off
and put her away until next time. I get nervous when clouds of parachutes show
up on my favorite part of the strip.
Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL Mk3/912, FireFly for sale
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| Subject: | Re: Flight test report with no testing to report |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
the numbers. Surprise, the engine died. When I saw that I was a teensy
bit low habit forced me to give the throttle a nudge and she roared to
life. The 912 is so quiet at idle I just thought she died. Vastly
different from my FireFly.
Duane/All:
Do you use steam gauges or the digital system that most use?
I am old fashion and still got those old steam gauges. Part of my
landing procedure is scanning airspeed and rpm. I like to keep engine
rpm a tad over idle, just in case it should go belly up on me on short
final and I am not quite as high as I would like to be.
Take care,
john h
PS: I thought maybe the preacher put a hex on your Rotax cause you
were not in church.
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| Subject: | Re: AzDave's "New" Old plane |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob Dalton" <wiserguy@comcast.net>
Dave,
Lookin good there Bud! can't wait to see it at MV in 2005.
Bob Dalton
Manteca, CA
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: AzDave's "New" Old plane
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier"
> <pelletier@cableone.net>
>
> Thanks guys. Yeah, lots of paint and decals - step son made them.
>
> AzDave
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: AzDave's "New" Old plane
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>>
>> | Thanks Dave for sharing with me and hope you don't get to upset
>> with me
>> | showing off your nice work.
>> |
>> |
>> | John Williamson
>>
>> Hi John W/Dave/All:
>>
>> Amazing what a little paint will do. You sure this is the same bird
>> we saw at MV?
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> john h
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AzDave's "New" Old plane |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
That's a good looking Kolb Dave, Thanks John for posting them. Do not
archive.
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: AzDave's "New" Old plane
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
<kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> Hi Kolbers,
>
> AzDave sent me these photos of his new paint job at my request. His old
> paint scheme was a solid red paint job. His new one has added some color
> that really sets it off.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/Photos/Aug2604-010.jpg
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/Photos/Aug2604-012.jpg
>
> Thanks Dave for sharing with me and hope you don't get to upset with me
> showing off your nice work.
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 637 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
> Zenith CH701 Project
> http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane
> http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List: |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Same here Kelvin. Do not archive.
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier"
<pelletier@cableone.net>
>
> Accepted - enjoy the list.
>
> AzDave
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kelvin Kurkowski" <kkurkow@chase3000.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List:
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kelvin Kurkowski"
> <kkurkow@chase3000.com>
> >
> > Gentlemen, am I ever sorry. You are very right, I have followed this
list
> > long enough to have watched a couple of other sensitive issues
discussed.
> I
> > had no intention of forwarding it to the list, and I'm not sure how I
did
> > it. Since I always use blind carbon copy, I can't look back and see how
> and
> > why it happened. To make matters worse I was not here over the weekend I
> > didn't know what I'd done till now. I had forwarded it to a couple of
> > friends that follow the political arena on both party sides and hoped to
> > find out if it actually occurred or not. Again, my apologies to all.
> > Kelvin K
> > do not archive
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List:
> >
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
> > >
> > > Mr Kurkowski....
> > > The fact that you have a belief system is a good thing... many people
do
> > > not... IMHO, everyone ought to believe something...or another... and
> > most
> > > of us certainly appreciate that a lot of good men have died over the
> years
> > > to give you the right to express your opinion across the length and
> > breadth
> > > of our great nation...
> > >
> > > That said, the fact that you saw fit to break into this airplane
> > enthusiast
> > > forum to inject your non-Kolb personal between-your-ears business is
> > > unfortunate... and is indicatative, at least to me, that you don't
> > > understand this list, or how poorly received your words are likely to
be
> > > here...
> > >
> > > I predict that what WILL certainly be passed on here, Mr. Kurkowski,
is
> > not
> > > the political message you fervently pushed, but rather the absolutely
> > > astounding fool you made of yourself on this forum with your post, and
> how
> > > little most of us appreciated hearing from a zealot such as yourself
in
> > this
> > > protected group.... We do airplanes, here, Sir... Kolb airplanes.
> > >
> > > Please feel free to rejoin us when you are prepared to discuss Kolb
> > > aircraft... but I warn you, I suspect you will begin that discussion
> from
> > a
> > > position of profound disadvantage...
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Beauford
> > > FF 076
> > > Brandon, FL
> > > Do Not Archive
> > >
> > > P.S. Kurkowski.... How did you get our number?
> > > b.
> > >
> > >
> > > Show us the courtesy of
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Kelvin Kurkowski" <kkurkow@chase3000.com>
> > > To: "Brownlee JHL Ranch" <jhlbeef@jhlbeef.com>
> > > Subject: Kolb-List:
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kelvin Kurkowski"
> > > > <kkurkow@chase3000.com>
> > > >
> > > >> >The Lord has a way of revealing those of us who really know him,
and
> > > > those
> > > >> >that don't! Think about it! Kerry gave a big speech last week
> about
> > > >> >how
> > > >> >his faith is so "important" to him. In this attempt to convince
the
> > > >> >American people that we should consider him for president, he
> > > >> >announced that his favorite Bible verse is John 16:3.
> > > >> >Of course the speech writer meant John 3:16, but nobody in the
Kerry
> > > >> >camp
> > > >> >was familiar enough with scripture to catch the error. And do you
> > know
> > > >> >what
> > > >> >John 16:3 says?
> > > >> >
> > > >> >John 16:3 says; "They will do such things because they have not
> known
> > > > the
> > > >> >Father or me."
> > > >> >
> > > >> >The Spirit works in strange ways.
> > > >> >Pass it on VOTE, VOTE, VOTE!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Forced Landings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
Earl Z.
I've had lots and lots of emails and phone calls but no one has come to see it
yet. So, it is still available.
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | Re: AzDave's "New" Old plane |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
SWEET!
do not archive
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| Subject: | SE Ohio Kolb Viewed |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Gene Ledbetter <gdledbetter@earthlink.net>
I was playing golf this afternoon with my new wife and friends (only
the 4th time I've ever been on a golf course) when someone flying a
Kolb was circling the area. It looked like a Firestar and I was
wondering if anyone knew who might be flying in the Mt. Orab area of SE
Ohio.
I will soon be moving my Firefly from its hangar in Waynesville, OH to
a small Ultralight airfield near Owensville which is only 17 miles from
my new condo versus 43 miles to Waynesville and since this is in the
same area, I would really like to know who might be a Kolb pilot in
this area.
Gene Ledbetter
Firefly - 272 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Forced Landings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy and Jodi Swenson" <guyandjodi@bvillemn.net>
John,
My MK III Xtra didn't glide better with the prop not spinning.
Apparently, I too have one of those other type Kolbs.
I have been more of a lurker that a participant for several years now but I
recall a very controversial thread about doing dead landing practice with
the engine idling vs.engine off. One of the claims made was there isn't much
difference from an idling engine to a dead engine, so why shut down the
engine just for practice! Other claims were the rotating prop acted as a big
air brake and actually slowed you down.
Well, I decided to try a little experiment this past June, while cruising
around the patch I started thinking about that particular dead stick thread.
So I climbed up to 5000 ft. AGL (over the runway of course) and pulled the
throttle back to idle, it took normal forward stick pressure to maintain 60
mph with no flaps applied. Then I nervously shut off the motor. WOW!
Apparently the idling prop is providing allot more thrust than originally
thought. I couldn't believe how fast it lost airspeed, it took a hell of a
lot of down elevator to get back to and hold 60 mph. (I realize that having
a passenger with me would have changed the outcome due to the added wieght
and more forward CG) I can't imagine what would have happened if I would
have applied flap. I was already near max down elevator, and I felt like I
was pointing straight down. I shot a couple of simulated landings to see
how quickly airspeed would be lost during flare, not much time between
flare-stall-drop. I learned (at least for my Xtra) that I will need to be
right on the deck before I flare, not much glide after the flare. and I will
not use any flap in an actual dead stick situation. I did't record any
information other than I dropped 3000 ft in approximatly 1 min. hows that
for a dead stick glide. I restarted the engine and made a normal landing.
I think it's important that everyone find out how their individual Kolb
reacts to a power out situation. Some people are more receptive to doing an
actual dead stick than others, but I would certainly approach engine outs
with caution until you know for sure how your bird will react. All Kolbs are
not created equally, single seat, two seat, side by side, tandem, with or
without a passenger, all of these factors can have a dramatic affect on how
your light weight Kolb will react.
I'm not trying to re-open a controversial subject, I just thought I would
share my experiance and my opinion.
Guy S.
MK III Xtra
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Forced Landings
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> The glide was only a little steeper than at idle, but the silence was
> a bit shocking for a none glider pilot used to the confidence
> inspiring Rotax hum.
>
>
> Thom/All:
>
> Seems your airplane flies differently than most of the Kolbs I have
> flown dead stick. Normally, glide is greatly increased with dead
> stick over gliding with engine and prop turning at idle rpm.
>
> Doesn't the idling prop act similar to a very large disc being pulled
> through the air? acting like a big air brake?
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Forced Landings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| My MK III Xtra didn't glide better with the prop not spinning.
| Apparently, I too have one of those other type Kolbs.
| Guy S.
Hi Guy/All:
Reckon you have one of the other type Kolbs then.
I wonder how a prop can produce thrust if the engine is turning at
idle rpm, which is about 1,800 rpm for a 912 and a 3 blade Warp Drive
at 50 to 60 mph, and about 2,500 rpm or so for a 582 at those same
parameters, if I remember correctly?
Maybe your engine idles much higher to produce thrust to match or
exceed 50 or 60 mph.
All I know is how it works for me.
I readily use max flaps, 40 deg on my MKIII, when doing routine
landings, and most especially if I am trying to stuff it into a very
confined landing zone with no power. Flaps lower the stall speed,
increase my rate of decent without significantly increasing airspeed,
and will certainly help slow me down once it stalls on landing.
Usually, a tiny bit of a flare will stop the decent and put it on the
ground. If I never used my flaps, or seldom used them, I would not be
able to fly safely with them. About the only time I don't use flaps
is when I have a significant cross wind and there is a lot of
turbulence near the ground. Besides, it is fun doing those super
steep approaches. Maybe some of you have flown with me in the old
factory MKIII, Fat Albert. I used to love to demonstrate normal MKIII
approaches with full flaps at Lakeland. Would not start the decent
until over the threshold at 300 to 400 feet. What a blast, especially
the first time it is demonstrated. Dennis Souder showed me how it was
done the first time I flew as a passenger in Fat Albert at Homer's
place. We didn't land on the airstrip, but came in over a big oak on
the north side of the hanger, landed to the south on the short taxiway
before it connects to the main airstrip. Thought he was going to
drill us right into the ground. To me, those flaps are super safety
devices should I have an engine out and next to cram the MKIII in a
tiny spot. It'll do it.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
Does anyone here own/use a prop called either the Hot Prop or the Kiev Prop?
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
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| Subject: | Re: Forced Landings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
Whoa! Near max down elevator in flight? That kind of condition seems
reserved for only bringing the tailwheel up on takeoff and spin recovery.
Just did a dead stick ride last night and it was almost hands off. Sounds
odd, Guy...
Kip
http://www.springeraviation.net/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy and Jodi Swenson" <guyandjodi@bvillemn.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Forced Landings
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Guy and Jodi Swenson"
<guyandjodi@bvillemn.net>
>
> John,
> My MK III Xtra didn't glide better with the prop not spinning.
> Apparently, I too have one of those other type Kolbs.
>
> I have been more of a lurker that a participant for several years now but
I
> recall a very controversial thread about doing dead landing practice with
> the engine idling vs.engine off. One of the claims made was there isn't
much
> difference from an idling engine to a dead engine, so why shut down the
> engine just for practice! Other claims were the rotating prop acted as a
big
> air brake and actually slowed you down.
>
> Well, I decided to try a little experiment this past June, while cruising
> around the patch I started thinking about that particular dead stick
thread.
> So I climbed up to 5000 ft. AGL (over the runway of course) and pulled the
> throttle back to idle, it took normal forward stick pressure to maintain
60
> mph with no flaps applied. Then I nervously shut off the motor. WOW!
> Apparently the idling prop is providing allot more thrust than originally
> thought. I couldn't believe how fast it lost airspeed, it took a hell of a
> lot of down elevator to get back to and hold 60 mph. (I realize that
having
> a passenger with me would have changed the outcome due to the added wieght
> and more forward CG) I can't imagine what would have happened if I would
> have applied flap. I was already near max down elevator, and I felt like I
> was pointing straight down. I shot a couple of simulated landings to see
> how quickly airspeed would be lost during flare, not much time between
> flare-stall-drop. I learned (at least for my Xtra) that I will need to be
> right on the deck before I flare, not much glide after the flare. and I
will
> not use any flap in an actual dead stick situation. I did't record any
> information other than I dropped 3000 ft in approximatly 1 min. hows that
> for a dead stick glide. I restarted the engine and made a normal landing.
>
> I think it's important that everyone find out how their individual Kolb
> reacts to a power out situation. Some people are more receptive to doing
an
> actual dead stick than others, but I would certainly approach engine outs
> with caution until you know for sure how your bird will react. All Kolbs
are
> not created equally, single seat, two seat, side by side, tandem, with or
> without a passenger, all of these factors can have a dramatic affect on
how
> your light weight Kolb will react.
>
> I'm not trying to re-open a controversial subject, I just thought I would
> share my experiance and my opinion.
>
> Guy S.
> MK III Xtra
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Forced Landings
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> >
> > The glide was only a little steeper than at idle, but the silence was
> > a bit shocking for a none glider pilot used to the confidence
> > inspiring Rotax hum.
> >
> > | Thom in Buffalo
> >
> > Thom/All:
> >
> > Seems your airplane flies differently than most of the Kolbs I have
> > flown dead stick. Normally, glide is greatly increased with dead
> > stick over gliding with engine and prop turning at idle rpm.
> >
> > Doesn't the idling prop act similar to a very large disc being pulled
> > through the air? acting like a big air brake?
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > john h
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Aw, c'mon Richard.................you're kidding..............right ??
Right ?? Oh No Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lar's tires
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> You think Beauford's joking - I bought Lar's original wheels and tires
when
> he decided to go the tundra route - and they are dry rotted!!!
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> (planning to add tubes to his MKIII tires...)
>
> At 09:31 PM 8/28/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
> >
> >Duane...
> ><snip>
>
>
> >Now if 'ol what's-his-name, out west there... can get HIS act together...
we
> >may have yet another
> >MkIII flying... I heard the set of tires he had on it dry rotted off
and
> >he is presently waiting for new ones... and it gets worse because 'ya
gotta
> >realize that the rotten set were replacements for the original wooden
wheels
> >that Kolb was putting on 'em back when he ordered his kit...
> >
> >Beauford
> >Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mk3/912 flight test |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Hold 'er, Newt..................that last set of tires (and wheels and
landing gear) is on Brother Pike's plane now.........! ! ! Beaufie, ol'
buddy, yer destroying my credibility. :-) Big Lar, in Port
Angeles, WA.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk3/912 flight test
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> Duane...
> Sincere congrats to you, Sir... Glad it all went well and that your
> machine appears to be in reusable condition after the first event... Must
> feel good to be operating in the wonderful world of four-strokes...! I'm
> looking forward to seeing it when you fly her down this way.
>
> Now if 'ol what's-his-name, out west there... can get HIS act together...
we
> may have yet another
> MkIII flying... I heard the set of tires he had on it dry rotted off and
> he is presently waiting for new ones... and it gets worse because 'ya
gotta
> realize that the rotten set were replacements for the original wooden
wheels
> that Kolb was putting on 'em back when he ordered his kit...
>
> Beauford
> Do not archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
> To: "kolblist" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Mk3/912 flight test
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
> >
> >
> > 'Rolled her out just as the sun came up. >
> >>
> > Post-flight inspection showed no oil or coolant leakage at the engine
or
> > on tail surfaces, prop movement detectors were tight and fuel
consumption
> > was normal.
> >
> > Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL,>
> >
>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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