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1. 05:16 AM - Re: Re: low rpm thrust/drag (Giovanni Day)
2. 05:50 AM - Re: Forced Landings (Kirk Smith)
3. 06:45 AM - Re: 582 Timing Question (Richard Pike)
4. 09:43 AM - Re: Alaska 2004 Part II (cont) (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
5. 09:52 AM - Hauck's Alaska photos (Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com)
6. 10:17 AM - Re: Hauck's Alaska photos (jam'n)
7. 11:21 AM - Re: Forced Landings (Jack & Louise Hart)
8. 11:36 AM - Re: Alaska 2004 Part II (N27SB@aol.com)
9. 12:32 PM - Re:Mk3/912 flight test report (H MITCHELL)
10. 01:05 PM - Re: 912UL vs 912ULS for SS engine (Rusty)
11. 01:13 PM - Re: Hauck's Alaska photos (John Hauck)
12. 01:21 PM - Re: Alaska 2004 Part II (cont) (John Hauck)
13. 01:38 PM - Re: Hauck's Alaska photos (John Hauck)
14. 01:40 PM - Re: 912UL vs 912ULS for SS engine (John Hauck)
15. 01:53 PM - Re: Re:Mk3/912 flight test report (John Hauck)
16. 02:36 PM - Re: Alaska 2004 Part II (cont) (Kirk Smith)
17. 07:09 PM - alaska (robert bean)
18. 08:31 PM - Christmas in Sept (Rick Pearce)
19. 09:14 PM - Alaska 2004 Part III (John Hauck)
20. 09:19 PM - Re: alaska (John Hauck)
21. 11:51 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: low rpm thrust/drag |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Hello Gang,
Think about this. What keeps a Heli from dropping out of the sky
when the engine quits? I know the rotation of the rotor blades create an
air foil and that forward speed creates lift for the heli to fly on.
Also the air rising up through the blades that are in a negative pitch
of 1-5 degrees keep them spinning. But also the fact that the rotor
blades are spinning create a great deal of drag. I flew RC helis and
have witnessed first hand how a heli becomes a yard dart if the rotor
blades stop turning. I think the principle is the same here. The turning
prop becomes a disk as and acts like an object that is more solid than
when not spinning. The RPM at which you get the greatest drag depends on
the speed at which the airplane is traveling. Once you are traveling at
near stall speeds, I bet the prop at idle RPM becomes more an asset due
to the speed/RPM relationship. A three blade prop should have more drag,
both stopped and spinning, than a two blade prop. I would ask Jack to
check this out on his software. My $0.02 worth.
Giovanni
MKIII/912 80566
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: low rpm thrust/drag
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Had a friend once with a clutch in his C box, allowed the prop to
freewheel
when the engine went to idle. He claimed that at idle, the prop became a
huge airbrake. Would that correlate with your numbers?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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At 08:24 PM 8/31/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
>
>Conditions, 50 mph, 40 inch pitch, 60 inch 2 blade propeller.
>
>At zero rpm it shows zero thrust, but if one puts in 0.01 rpm it shows
>5.1
>pounds of negative thrust.
>
>But if one increases propeller speed the negative thrust value
>increases
>to a value of -36.150 pounds and the propeller is turning at 314 rpm.
>Power absorbed at this rpm is -2.4483 hp If one increases propeller
speed
>the power absorbed by the prop peaks at -2.4770 hp at 391 rpm with a
>thrust of -35.702 pounds.
>
>
>
>Jack & Louise Hart
>jbhart@ldd.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Forced Landings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
> Conditions, 50 mph, 40 inch pitch, 60 inch 2 blade propeller.
>
> At zero rpm it shows zero thrust, but if one puts in 0.01 rpm it shows 5.1
pounds of negative thrust.
>
> But if one increases propeller speed the negative thrust value increases
to a value of -36.150 pounds and the propeller is turning at 314 rpm. Power
absorbed at this rpm is -2.4483 hp If one increases propeller speed the
power absorbed by the prop peaks at -2.4770 hp at 391 rpm with a thrust
of -35.702 pounds.
>
> Having done this, I am not sure how to interpet what is going on here, or
even if it is meaningful.
Thanks Jack,
So at zero rpm the thrust is zero then it begins to go negative in the
formula as the prop begins to turn. Is it safe to assume that as the prop
continues to increase in rpm that at some point the thrust value begins to
go positive until it again equals zero? Where does the highest ( most
positive) thrust values occur? At high rpm and low forward speed? Thanks!
Kirk
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Timing Question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Comments but nothing conclusive follows:
When bad points on my 532 caused the timing to retard, the engine ran
smoother but with less power. The 532 was an oddball compared to the other
Rotax two-strokes because it required 91 octane fuel. Anyway, I would not
go retarded at all. (some think I already am - doh)
Both the 532 and the 582 specify ignition at 18 deg before tdc.
A friend who has kept good records on his 582 shows 132 psi on a
compression test, with a good running engine. My 532 would average about
170 psi on a compression test, so I guess that was why it wanted 91 octane,
but I can't imagine why it had such a higher reading.
Years ago I had a Suzuki 500cc twin and if the points/timing was off any,
smoothness went out the window. But if you had it spot on, you could tell,
smooth as glass. It did not seem to run better when advanced beyond factory
specs.
I think that if you could get both cylinders firing exactly at 18 degree
before tdc, you would improve smoothness and longevity more than power. Of
course, you could try throwing some 89 or 91 octane in it and bump it up a
couple degrees and see what happened. Maybe even practice one of those
forced landings that folks on the list have been discussing lately...
Some interesting thought to add to the mix here -
http://www.groupk.com/docstech.htm
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 10:45 PM 8/31/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi@supernet.com>
>
>Ok rotax repairman and engine goorou guys I got my bullet proof vest on
>now, so here goes with my question. I have a 582 (Grey Head) that has a
>bad pickup coil (old style). The new style that I have on order has
>slotted mounting holes to allow for pres ice timing adjustment. The
>specs. call for the timing to be set at .076-.078 BTDC. Any experts out
>there have an opinion about how much the 582 is detuned by timing? Can I
>advance it some without harming it or causing detenation? And does this
>figure include the compensation for the spark plug angle when reading
>the dial indicator? Any opinions or comments are welcome. ~ Earl
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Alaska 2004 Part II (cont) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
John,
Thanks for the wonderful trip and memories. Eve and I drove our
motorcycles to Hyder in 1984 from L.A. I think I recognize the hotel where
we stopped for a beer.
AzDave
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Alaska 2004 Part II (cont)
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> OK Gang:
>
> I screwed up again and hit the send key. Sorry.
>
> The scenery got better and better, but forced landing areas did not.
> There weren't any. When I committed to fly this route, the shortest
> route, I knew how serious a good dependable airplane and engine was:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0845.JPG
>
> I landed at Golden, BC, for fuel and a short break, Valemount, BC, and
> McBride, BC, before finally landing at Prince George, BC:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0845.JPG
>
> Doesn't look like it, but I got weathered in here for two days and
> nights. Luckily, I discovered the Prince George Flying Club House on
> the other side of the airport. The little sign on the left of the
> railing says, "Travelers Welcome":
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0859.JPG
>
> After leaving Prince George I headed west and north for Smithers.
> Beautiful scenery, while flying low level, even though the weather was
> slowly deteriorating, and the tempereature was dropping:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0859.JPG
>
> I made Smithers, BC, and had a char grilled hamburger, refueled and
> got ready to head out into some real "sparsely populated" country:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0880.JPG
>
> This is the Stewart-Cassiar Highway on the right, and I can not
> remember the name of the river that parallels it:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0881.JPG
>
> If I could get fuel at Meziadin Lake, I would be able to fly to
> Stewart, BC, and Hyder, Alaska, a 40 mile spur off the highway. I
> decided to check out the gas pump at the lumber company store. There
> was a gravel strip across the highway. I had landed there three years
> ago on my return from Barrow, Alaska:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0896.JPG
>
> After I landed at the gravel strip, I walked across the highway and
> asked the lady at the store if I could taxi my airplane over and get
> fuel. She said, "By all means, yes!" "People do it all the time".
> Nice to fly in a friendly atmosphere like this:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0886.JPG
>
>
> Times like this I can mix 87 octane auto fuel with the 100LL in the
> airplane, and continue to keep the overall octane above the required
> 91 octane for the Rotax 912ULS engine:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0888.JPG
>
> With a belly full of car gas, and my belly full of a candy bar and
> Coke, we get ready to take off and head north:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0890.JPG
>
> This is Meziadin Lake, like a scene out of a fairy tale. I will fly
> the length of the lake, then keep on going into an extremely tight
> valley that will lead me to Stewart, BC, and Hyder, Alaska:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0901.JPG
>
> We fly by Bear Glacier, right on the road to Stewart:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0908.JPG
>
> I had my doubts that I could make it all the way into Stewart, where
> the airstrip is located. I also doubted that I would be able to fly
> up the Salmon Glacier and the Granduc Copper Mine:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0909.JPG
>
> I kept pushing on, hoping the weather did not close in behind me,
> preventing me from continuing north after my short visit.
> Then..........there it was. The little village of Stewart, BC, the
> airstrip, and the Portland Canal:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0911.JPG
>
> Again................., it still keeps getting better:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0914.JPG
>
> And better:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0915.JPG
>
> Rafting up timber in the Portland Canal:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0917.JPG
>
> I turned the corner and flew up the Salmon River Valley:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0922.JPG
>
> The foot of the Salmon Glacier:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0925.JPG
>
> More:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0929.JPG
>
> Needless to say, I was sitting on the edge of my seat during this
> flight. Fantastic!!!:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0932.JPG
>
> Looking on up Salmon Glacier until it disappears into the clouds:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0936.JPG
>
> Old mine shaft on the side of the mountain:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0939.JPG
>
> The Granduc Copper Mine was closed in 1984, but the old company
> airstrip is still in good enough shape for Miss P'fer to do her thing:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0943.JPG
>
> In north country there is always beauty:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0944.JPG
>
> All alone on the Granduc airstrip:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0946.JPG
>
> Glaciers everywhere:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0953.JPG
>
> More glaciers:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0955.JPG
>
> And more:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0957.JPG
>
> Remnants of the Granduc:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0959.JPG
>
> Same:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0960.JPG
>
> Flying back to the Salmon Glacier:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0963.JPG
>
> Then a right turn and fly right up the glacier:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0968.JPG
>
> It is huge and steep. The camera can not present to the viewer the
> immense size of this glacier, the 5th largest in the world:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0972.JPG
>
> Rather than take a chance on getting caught in the weather, I turn
> around and head back down the glacier:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0974.JPG
>
> It makes a nice sweeping turn towards Hyder:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0976.JPG
>
> Same:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0978.JPG
>
> Heading down off the mountain:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0980.JPG
>
> Got my eye on the reduced visibility. This is no place to place with
> clouds and fog:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0982.JPG
>
> The remnants of snow that fell thousands of years ago:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0983.JPG
>
> Continuing to fly down off the mountain and the glacier:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0984.JPG
>
> The southernmost village in Alaska, Hyder:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0987.JPG
>
> More Hyder:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0988.JPG
>
> Left base and final for Stewart Airport:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0990.JPG
>
> On the ground at Stewart Airport:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0996.JPG
>
> Always wondered how those NW log truck drivers got the trailers piggy
> backed on the trucks:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0998.JPG
>
> This is how they do it. Was sitting in Miss P'fer getting ready to
> takeoff when I shot these pics:
>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0999.JPG
>
> I'll shut this part of my trip down for the night. Try to get more up
> when time permits.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
> titus, alabama
>
>
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| Subject: | Hauck's Alaska photos |
09/01/2004 12:52:57 PM
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
Absolutely beautiful John.
My favorite shot is
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0739.JPG
Erich Weaver
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| Subject: | Re: Hauck's Alaska photos |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jam'n" <jghunter@nol.net>
real nice! one has to do alaska to fully appreicate it. but that pix is an
indication... :)
jg
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From: <Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Hauck's Alaska photos
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
>
>
> Absolutely beautiful John.
>
> My favorite shot is
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0739.JPG
>
> Erich Weaver
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Forced Landings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 08:48 AM 9/1/04 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
>
>>
>> Conditions, 50 mph, 40 inch pitch, 60 inch 2 blade propeller.
>>
>> At zero rpm it shows zero thrust, but if one puts in 0.01 rpm it shows 5.1
>pounds of negative thrust.
>>
>> But if one increases propeller speed the negative thrust value increases
>to a value of -36.150 pounds and the propeller is turning at 314 rpm. Power
>absorbed at this rpm is -2.4483 hp If one increases propeller speed the
>power absorbed by the prop peaks at -2.4770 hp at 391 rpm with a thrust
>of -35.702 pounds.
>>
>> Having done this, I am not sure how to interpet what is going on here, or
>even if it is meaningful.
>
>
>Thanks Jack,
> So at zero rpm the thrust is zero then it begins to go negative in the
>formula as the prop begins to turn. Is it safe to assume that as the prop
>continues to increase in rpm that at some point the thrust value begins to
>go positive until it again equals zero? Where does the highest ( most
>positive) thrust values occur? At high rpm and low forward speed? Thanks!
>Kirk
>
>Do not archive
>
Kirk,
You have it correct. As engine speed is increased and air speed is held constant,
the thrust will go from negative through zero and positive. If you set propeller
speed to some reasonable number the thrust will increase as air speed
decreases.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: Alaska 2004 Part II |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
John, I am really enjoying your photos. Thanks Paul for getting them. Hope to
see you at TNK Flyin.
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Steve Boetto
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| Subject: | Re:Mk3/912 flight test report |
Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:32:22 -0400
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
Bob B. and all,
'Tried my first power-on stall Tues. I could feel her falling (ROC100' fpm) before
she broke but when she broke there was no doubt she had stopped flying.
A lot more abrupt than the FireFly. I was tap dancing on the peddles and she started
lurching to one side then the other but finally went straight ahead. This
was the first test and I did not have time to confirm this behavior. I suspect
that it could be that even with my added nose weight she is still right up
against the aft CG. I plan to try again tomorrow AM.
I will have to quit early and head for the coast to pull my boat out of the water
to protect it from Frances. This time I am going to keep it out until the
season is over so that I won't have to worry about it if I am traveling when
the next one hits.
Be careful up there,
Duane
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| Subject: | 912UL vs 912ULS for SS engine |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Thanks for the comments John. At the moment, there's only about $1300
difference between the two. I think I'd be happy with the 912, but it would
be hard to resist paying the extra money for another 20 HP. When it comes
right down to it, I'm still going to have a hard time writing a check for
$15K for a 100 HP engine.
Rusty (still enjoying the Alaska pics)
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| Subject: | Re: Hauck's Alaska photos |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
|
| My favorite shot is
| http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF0739.JPG
|
| Erich Weaver
Thanks Erich/All:
I like that one also.
Did you notice how high the grass is? Looks like it comes up to the
axles on the 8.00X6 tires and wheels.
A man could spend the rest of his life flying this part of the country
and never get tired of it.
I hope to go back out that way next summer and do some serious off
road/dual sport dirt bike riding.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Alaska 2004 Part II (cont) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
our
| motorcycles to Hyder in 1984 from L.A. I think I recognize the
hotel where
| we stopped for a beer.
|
| AzDave
Thanks AZDAVE/All:
Stewart-Hyder is a special place to me. Discovered them in 1997,
while dragging the 5th wheel around Canada and Alaska for 61 days. I
have always wanted to fly back in there, and this trip I got to
fulfill my wish. It was one of the most beautiful and exciting
flights I have ever done, that particular afternoon.
I'd like to do the motorcycle trip also, if my old butt could get
accustomed to the saddle for all those hours and miles. Been thinking
seriously about a BMW R1200GS Adventure, but have not gotten beyond
the thinking stage.
I was blessed, for the most part, with some beautiful weather on this
flight.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Hauck's Alaska photos |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
pix is an
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| jg
jg/All:
That pic was taken just west of Yellowstone Nat Park at a 4,000 ft
emergency airstrip called Henry's Lake. It is located in a little tit
that sticks up in the NE corner of Idaho, with Wyoming on one side and
Montana on the other. A unique location. Still a long ways from
Alaska.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: 912UL vs 912ULS for SS engine |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| be hard to resist paying the extra money for another 20 HP. |
Rusty (still enjoying the Alaska pics)
Rusty/Gang:
Actually, unless you run an inflight adjustable prop, you will only
realize 95 or those 100 hp. The 912ULS produces 100 hp at 5,800 rpm
for 5 minutes max. At max continuous rpm of 5,500 it produces 95 hp,
but can produce that 95 horses all day long, or as long as you feed
it. :-)
john h
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| Subject: | Re:Mk3/912 flight test report |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
I was tap dancing on the peddles and she started lurching to one side
then the other but finally went straight ahead. This was the first
test and I did not have time to confirm this behavior. I suspect that
it could be that even with my added nose weight she is still right up
against the aft CG. I plan to try again tomorrow AM.
Hi Duane/All:
Interesting flight report.
Don't know that I understand "lurching to one side then the other"
though. Do you mean she was rolling (dropping one wing and then the
other)? If so, that can be corrected with aileron. Rudder doesn't do
much for the MKIII, or any other Kolb, for that matter.
Do you think, even though your MKIII drops its nose voluntary in a
power on or power off stall, it still has an aft cg problem?
I am in the process of finalizing the installation of a Maule Tundra
Tailwheel on my MKIII. Weighs 9.2 lbs. Am interested to see what
will happen during stall testing, but I betcha she will drop her nose
in a heart beat. Last time I did stall testing, just prior to Alaska
2004, with the Maule solid 6" tailwheel, weighs 6.2 lbs (or something
close to that), she never hesitated to drop that nose. No indication
of hesitating, wanting to tail slide, or anything else that might
indicate a tail heavy configuration (aft cg).
My FS and MKIII are amazing flying machines. Never seen airplanes
that have such wide cg. Doesn't take a lot of imagination and
planning to load her up and take off.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Alaska 2004 Part II (cont) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
"> Stewart-Hyder is a special place to me. "
John,
I share that sentiment. My father served in Alaska during WWII and he talked
about Alaska as far back as I can remember. He had some old grainy black and
white 8 mm movies that he took while there and showed them on occasion. His
stories of Alaska were full of color however. He dreamed of going back
someday and taking my Mom . He died in 83 so he never realized that dream.
But in 86 I took her there with my family. Hyder was the first place we set
foot on the soil of Alaska. It is beautiful beyond belief. Those pics you
posted brought me to tears. I hadn't seen the place since 86. Thanks John.
Kirk
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
John, a beautiful collection of photos of an adventure few will ever
experience
in person. How do you top that? Next year Siberia?
Today was a good one for the launch of SP. Thom Riddle came over in his
Titan and shot some pics of me overhead. No faltering engine this time.
-BB, mkIII, 1.0 liter suzuki, finally 100% legal do not archive
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| Subject: | Christmas in Sept |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick Pearce" <rap@isp.com>
I just got a really big wooden box today and it was just like Christmas opening
up #2 kit for my MK3
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| Subject: | Alaska 2004 Part III |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Everybody:
Yesterday I left off while I spent a few minutes on the ground on the
Stewart, BC, airport. I had miles to go and hours to fly, so hopped
back in the MKIII and headed back up the road towards Lake Meziadin
and the Stewart-Cassiar Hwy.
Way down in the bottom of the valley is the road to Stewart-Hyder and
the Bear River, run off from the Bear Glacier:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1006.JPG
These pictures do not do the actual terrain justice, but they are the
next best thing to sitting in the cockpit of my little Kolb Mark III:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1007.JPG
Decided to fly over to the north side of the valley and explore the
big ice field up on top the mountains:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1008.JPG
How small these big mountains and all that ice and snow make one feel
up here in a small homebuilt airplane. I was in a continuous state of
awe throughout most of this flight:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1010.JPG
Whipped cream under Miss P'fer's wing:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1011.JPG
More of the road and river in the valley, plus the glaciated lake in
the center of the picture is Bear Lake:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1016.JPG
Glaciers everywhere coming out of the clouds and the mountains:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1017.JPG
Fresh July snow on the peak in front of me, and Lake Meziadin out on
the horizon:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1019.JPG
Bear Glacier:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1020.JPG
Is this place for real?
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1024.JPG
Out of the mountains and up the valley, north towards Dease Lake:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1027.JPG
More of the same interesting landscape:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1029.JPG
Makes flying worthwhile:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1030.JPG
I was blessed with some beautiful weather phenomena and light:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1032.JPG
Took a short break at Bob Quinn Airstrip and watched a Bell Jet Ranger
work out with a long line and a sling load:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1038.JPG
Continued on up the highway, planning to refuel at Dease Lake and fly
on to Watson Lake for the night. Well.............., I didn't quite
make it. Twenty-three miles south of Dease Lake is the last mountain
pass to negotiate. I couldn't negotiate it. Low ceiling was 1,000
feet lower than the altitude needed to fly the pass. Turned around,
flew back down the highway until I found a turn out, then landed on
the highway and pulled off into the turn out:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1041.JPG
It was raining, wet and muddy, but I was on the ground safe and sound.
Pulled out the Iridium Satelite Telephone, called Whitehorse FSS and
closed my flight plan. Then gave Nell a call to let her know where I
was and that I was ok. Then I put up my tent, crawled in my sleeping
bag and crashed. There was a mountain stream next to my camping spot,
so I had a serenade all night long of rushing water. Next morning
looked no better than the night before:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1043.JPG
My favorite norther wild flower, fire weed:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1046.JPG
Finally, the weather lifted, some road gang gals brought me 26 liters
of 87 octane fuel, and I headed for Dease Lake. I refueled here three
years ago on my way south.
Some of the lakes are quite striking:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1046.JPG
I messed around and did not get around to pulling out the pack stove
and boiling some water for coffee. By the time I was about half way
between Dease Lake and Watson Lake, I acquired a terrific "hang over"
type head ache. I was experiencing caffeine withdrawal. Didn't think
I was going to make it to Watson Lake. It was rough and it got
hotter. The air was filled with smoke from the forrest fires and my
head hurt. When I got to Watson Lake, I immediately taxied over to
the camping area and started boiling water for coffee. After four big
cups of Folgers coffee bag strong coffee, my headache started
subsiding. Thank God!
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1046.JPG
Typical trafffic into and out of Watson Lake, Yukon Territory:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1065.JPG
How's that for a husky picnic table? I placed my coffee cup on the
left hand corner of the table to give you an idea of how huge this
thing really is:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1066.JPG
The covered pavillion on the right, orange cover over the firewood
pile, water faucet for drinking water, what else does a happy airplane
camper need? Oh yea, there is an out house. There is a nice large
wood stove under the pavillion to keep warm and to cook on. You can
set up your tent inside and it will be dry in the morning when you get
ready to pack up and take off. I have been through here many times,
but have never been here when it was time to drag out the sleeping
bag. One of these days I want to camp out under the pavillion:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1069.JPG
A classic Far North airport. Notice the two men on top of the tower.
The FSS is no longer operating, but there is a weather monitor on duty
to open and close flight plans:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1070.JPG
Remember I said there was smoke? Lot's of smoke near Rancheria, YT.
That is the Alaska Highway under the nose:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1071.JPG
This is what it is like flying in the vicinity of the forrest fires:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1074.JPG
Fires burning:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1076.JPG
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1077.JPG
Swan Lake:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1078.JPG
Beauty can be found everywhere, even in the smoke:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1080.JPG
I see Whitehorse International Airport out there. Will soon be
getting some hot chow and hopefully, a hot shower and a warm bed to
sleep in:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1082.JPG
I fly over the Yukon River while on right base to final into
Whitehorse:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1083.JPG
Turning final into Whitehorse:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1085.JPG
Miss P'fer is full of fuel and waiting for take off in the morning.
Behind her is the Shell fueler. Upstairs is about a half dozen rooms,
a couple baths, a pilots lounge, washer and dryer. Cost is about
$38.00 CDN a night. A good buy:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1086.JPG
Miss P'fer and friends by the Whitehorse control tower. This was
about 2300 hours on an overcast evening:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1087.JPG
Next morning we land at Haines Junction to take a break. Liable to
interact with all kinds of transportation in the far north:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1089.JPG
Kluane Lake, YT:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1093.JPG
More Kluane Lake:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1096.JPG
Sheep Mountain on the left. Name implies there a Dahl Sheep on the
mountain, and there are. I saw several herds, but did not take time
to try and get pictures of them:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1098.JPG
Another good place to take a break. By 2100 hours that night, I was
at Bradley Sky Ranch, North Pole, Alaska. But that is a story and
pictures for another day.
Good night,
john h
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1080.JPG
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
ever
| experience
| in person. How do you top that? Next year Siberia?
BB/All:
Thanks, Buddy. Don't plan to try and top anything. This flight was a
celebration of 20 years of cross country flying in Kolbs. It was my
present to myself. I certainly appreciated and enjoyed the
opportunity and experiences. If I had water wings I could be in
Siberia from Alaska in a matter of minutes, may a hour or so. Don't
know if I'll ever do this again or not. Don't know if I could afford
to do it again. You would not believe what I paid for about 900
gallons of av gas to fly that 180 hours and 13,800 miles. A bunch.
But..........., it was worth every penny of it. :-)
Congrates on a good flight today.
john h
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