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1. 04:47 AM - Re: alaska (Denny Rowe)
2. 04:48 AM - Re: Christmas in Sept (Denny Rowe)
3. 04:51 AM - Re: Re: low rpm thrust/drag (Jack & Louise Hart)
4. 04:59 AM - Re: alaska (Tracy)
5. 05:55 AM - Re: Alaska 2004 Part III (Monte Evans)
6. 06:26 AM - Re: Alaska 2004 Part III (John Hauck)
7. 06:47 AM - Three Blade Prop & FireFly Noise Reduction (Jack & Louise Hart)
8. 06:55 AM - Database updates... (dama)
9. 06:58 AM - Re: Alaska 2004 Part III (corrections) (John Hauck)
10. 07:15 AM - chickens and whindshields (boyd young)
11. 07:27 AM - Re: Database updates... (John Hauck)
12. 07:35 AM - Re: Alaska 2004 Part III (Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious)
13. 07:58 AM - Re: Database updates... (John Williamson)
14. 08:13 AM - Re: Alaska 2004 Part III (John Hauck)
15. 08:44 AM - Re: Database updates... (dama)
16. 08:45 AM - Re: chickens and whindshields (ul15rhb@juno.com)
17. 08:50 AM - Re: Database updates... (dama)
18. 09:51 AM - Re: chickens and whindshields (PATRICK LADD)
19. 10:02 AM - Re: Forced Landings (PATRICK LADD)
20. 10:38 AM - Re: Forced Landings (Kirk Smith)
21. 11:59 AM - Re: Database updates... (George Bass)
22. 06:32 PM - Re: Bob's off road vehicle (Richard Swiderwski)
23. 06:40 PM - Maule Tundra Tail Wheel (John Hauck)
24. 07:42 PM - biceps (robert bean)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
> John, a beautiful collection of photos of an adventure few will ever
> experience
> in person. How do you top that? Next year Siberia?
>
> Today was a good one for the launch of SP. Thom Riddle came over in his
> Titan and shot some pics of me overhead. No faltering engine this time.
> -BB, mkIII, 1.0 liter suzuki, finally 100% legal do not archive
>
>
John,
I second all the trip comments Bob and others have made, truely unbeleivable
trip! Thanks for the photos and words!!
Bob, I'm looking forward to seeing the photos Thom took.
Denny
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| Subject: | Re: Christmas in Sept |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Pearce" <rap@isp.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Christmas in Sept
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick Pearce" <rap@isp.com>
>
> I just got a really big wooden box today and it was just like Christmas
opening up #2 kit for my MK3
>
>
> Oh yeah, lots of fun to be had in those big boxes, Enjoy!
Denny Rowe, Mk-3 PA
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| Subject: | Re: low rpm thrust/drag |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 07:16 AM 9/1/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
> I bet the prop at idle RPM becomes more an asset due
>to the speed/RPM relationship. A three blade prop should have more drag,
>both stopped and spinning, than a two blade prop. I would ask Jack to
>check this out on his software. My $0.02 worth.
>
Giovanni
You are correct, the drag goes up with the number of blades.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
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Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Tracy <tracyinva@gmail.com>
please take me off this mailng list I never signed up for it
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 07:46:45 -0400, Denny Rowe <rowedl@highstream.net> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
> > John, a beautiful collection of photos of an adventure few will ever
> > experience
> > in person. How do you top that? Next year Siberia?
> >
> > Today was a good one for the launch of SP. Thom Riddle came over in his
> > Titan and shot some pics of me overhead. No faltering engine this time.
> > -BB, mkIII, 1.0 liter suzuki, finally 100% legal do not archive
> >
> >
>
> John,
> I second all the trip comments Bob and others have made, truely unbeleivable
> trip! Thanks for the photos and words!!
> Bob, I'm looking forward to seeing the photos Thom took.
>
> Denny
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Alaska 2004 Part III |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Monte Evans" <monte@monteevans.com>
Hello John,
Just wanted to add my thanks for all the wonderful pictures of your Alaska
trip. I looked at them all yesterday, then had to show my wife all of them last
evening. We are lucky to live in this great country. Take care.
Monte
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| Subject: | Re: Alaska 2004 Part III |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
your Alaska trip. I looked at them all yesterday, then had to show my
wife all of them last evening. We are lucky to live in this great
country. Take care.
|
| Monte
Morning Monte/All:
My pleasure. Makes my day if I know some of you appreciate and enjoy
the pictures.
It is unfortunate that these flights are all made solo. Impossible to
bring back in film and story what the flights are really like.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Three Blade Prop & FireFly Noise Reduction |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
Kolbers,
I mounted a third blade on the propeller, and I got another one db reduction
in noise. I took some clean air data yesterday, and it looks pretty good.
If you are interested, you can read some more about it
at:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly111.html
It really changed the sound characteristics.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Database updates... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
Please let me know if you guys have any updates on your pilot and airplane
info.
Email me directly at dama@mindspring.com
John and John, I may try and meet you in Rome. TNK flyin usually falls on my
anniversary (and her birthday!) so I'll miss it again...
Kip
FS II
ATL
http://www.springeraviation.net/
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| Subject: | Re: Alaska 2004 Part III (corrections) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Morning Gang:
As usual, I made a few mistakes posting pics last night.
Here are the corrections:
| Finally, the weather lifted, some road gang gals brought me 26
liters
| of 87 octane fuel, and I headed for Dease Lake. I refueled here
three
| years ago on my way south.
|
| Some of the lakes are quite striking:
|
| http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1046.JPG
Should be:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1061.JPG
| I messed around and did not get around to pulling out the pack stove
| and boiling some water for coffee. By the time I was about half way
| between Dease Lake and Watson Lake, I acquired a terrific "hang
over"
| type head ache. I was experiencing caffeine withdrawal. Didn't
think
| I was going to make it to Watson Lake. It was rough and it got
| hotter. The air was filled with smoke from the forrest fires and my
| head hurt. When I got to Watson Lake, I immediately taxied over to
| the camping area and started boiling water for coffee. After four
big
| cups of Folgers coffee bag strong coffee, my headache started
| subsiding. Thank God!
|
| http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1046.JPG
Should be:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1064.JPG
Sorry about the inconvenience. I'll try to do better.
john h
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| Subject: | chickens and whindshields |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
<<<<<<.
In my opinion they did not prove anything because how often do we encounter
chickens at any altitudes? Would have been more impressive if they used seagulls
or turkey vultures or even deer which have been my only near misses.
Charlie in NJ, MKII 503
Do not archive>>>>>>>>>
within the last week i was told of an incident at the field where i fly, an aircraft
was on short final coming over the numbers when the pilot heard 2 bangs....
he looked out the left window and all seemed ok,,,, looked out the right
window and could see the position lights through the hole in the wingtip....
found out that he had hit 2 gease.... 1 on the right wing tip and the other
on the front cowling about 6 inches below the windshield, and just left of the
spinner. everybody was ok but it seems that chickens are a fair test.
also visited with a pilot who hit a duck in a super cub.... the duck entered
the area of his feet..... he said it was hard to land when the duck was biting
his legs as he tried to work the petals.....
boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Database updates... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
falls on my
| anniversary (and her birthday!) so I'll miss it again...
|
|
| Kip
Kip/All:
Got to get your priorities straight. Probably going to have to change
anniversary and birthday dates.
What is your normal cruise speed with your FS, and rpm?
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Alaska 2004 Part III |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" <bbrocious@hotmail.com>
John, I have to say these are absolutely spectacular photos. And the story
that goes with them makes them so much more fun. What a gift you have given
us. Thank you. What kind of camera did you use? It is so clear and sharp!
Bob Brocious
Mark III "Miss B"
Carrollton, Kentucky
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>From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Alaska 2004 Part III
>Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:25:57 -0500
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> | Just wanted to add my thanks for all the wonderful pictures of
>your Alaska trip. I looked at them all yesterday, then had to show my wife
>all of them last evening. We are lucky to live in this great country.
>Take care. | | Monte
>
>Morning Monte/All:
>
>My pleasure. Makes my day if I know some of you appreciate and enjoy the
>pictures.
>
>It is unfortunate that these flights are all made solo. Impossible to
>bring back in film and story what the flights are really like.
>
>Take care,
>
>john h
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>Forums.
>
>
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| Subject: | Database updates... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Hi Kip and all,
For those that don't already know, Kip maintains a huge listing of Kolb
Builders and Fliers. It is only updated when we send him our information.
This is a great place to find others with our same interest in our area or
when we head out across this World. The database url is:
http://www.springeraviation.net/database.html
His home page is located at:
http://www.springeraviation.net/
Keep up the great work Kip.
I can't think of a better anniversary present than a flight to London, KY.
Hope to see you at Rome.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 637 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
Zenith CH701 Project
http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane
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| Subject: | Re: Alaska 2004 Part III |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| Thank you. What kind of camera did you use? It is so clear and
sharp!
| Bob Brocious
Bob/All:
Thanks, my friend.
I sprung for a Fujifilm S-7000 last March. Was a good choice. All
these pics were shot on "automatic mode".
Of course, there were a lot of pics that did not come out good enough
to share. The digital gives me the option to take a lot of pics that
I would not ordinarily take with the film camera. If the shot doesn't
work, delete and make room for another shot.
Take care
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Database updates... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
Yeah right, that is her idea of a perfect anniversary:) Is there a high-end
diamond dealer in London? That's my only hope...
Kip
http://www.springeraviation.net/
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Database updates...
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
<kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> Hi Kip and all,
>
> For those that don't already know, Kip maintains a huge listing of Kolb
> Builders and Fliers. It is only updated when we send him our information.
> This is a great place to find others with our same interest in our area or
> when we head out across this World. The database url is:
> http://www.springeraviation.net/database.html
>
> His home page is located at:
> http://www.springeraviation.net/
>
> Keep up the great work Kip.
>
> I can't think of a better anniversary present than a flight to London, KY.
> Hope to see you at Rome.
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 637 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
> Zenith CH701 Project
> http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane
> http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: chickens and whindshields |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ul15rhb@juno.com" <ul15rhb@juno.com>
I hit a hawk a couple of years ago climbing out in a left bank. It put a dent in
the last rib on the left wing and caved the fabric in about an inch. I held
right rudder to compensate for the drag on that side. The windshield vibrated
a little more than usuual. It flew 36 miles until I got home.
Ralph
Original Firestar
17 years flying it
-- "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
<<<<<<.
In my opinion they did not prove anything because how often do we encounter
chickens at any altitudes? Would have been more impressive if they used seagulls
or turkey vultures or even deer which have been my only near misses.
Charlie in NJ, MKII 503
Do not archive>>>>>>>>>
within the last week i was told of an incident at the field where i fly, an aircraft
was on short final coming over the numbers when the pilot heard 2 bangs....
he looked out the left window and all seemed ok,,,, looked out the right
window and could see the position lights through the hole in the wingtip....
found out that he had hit 2 gease.... 1 on the right wing tip and the other
on the front cowling about 6 inches below the windshield, and just left of the
spinner. everybody was ok but it seems that chickens are a fair test.
also visited with a pilot who hit a duck in a super cub.... the duck entered
the area of his feet..... he said it was hard to land when the duck was biting
his legs as he tried to work the petals.....
boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Database updates... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
John,
Seems that my FS is on the slow side. I have the Powerfin pitched to 6100
static (I think). I like to crusie at 5200-5500 rpm and that nets me just
under or right at 60 mph. Never really wanted to go much faster though.
Speed will be the theme of the next project....whatever that will be.
Kip
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Database updates...
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> | John and John, I may try and meet you in Rome. TNK flyin usually
> falls on my
>
> Kip/All:
>
> Got to get your priorities straight. Probably going to have to change
> anniversary and birthday dates.
>
> What is your normal cruise speed with your FS, and rpm?
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: chickens and whindshields |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
In my opinion they did not prove anything because how often do we encounter
chickens at any altitudes? >>
Concorde was built quite close to my home and I know that one of the test
rigs threw frozen chickens into the air intakes.
I suppose if you hit a chicken at 40,000 ft it is likely to be frozen!
:-)
Cheers
Pat
pj.ladd @ btinternet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Forced Landings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Hi All,
seems to me that this chat about windmilling props is very interesting but
not really applicable to our machines.
I think it unlikely that it would be possible to drive our gear trains from
the prop back through the engine to get it to fire. In any case as a rule in
a forced landing situation you will be more interested in extending your
glide than shortening it.
If your engine has died SWITCH IT OFF. if you dont as sure as the Lord made
little green apples it will fire up again for ten seconds just as you get
your approach sorted.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Forced Landings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Pat
I know of a couple of guys that actually have belt drive reduction units.
One guy lost a belt and sure as little green apples, the prop windmilled.
Snuf
> seems to me that this chat about windmilling props is very interesting but
> not really applicable to our machines.
> I think it unlikely that it would be possible to drive our gear trains
from
> the prop back through the engine to get it to fire. In any case as a rule
in
> a forced landing situation you will be more interested in extending your
> glide than shortening it.
> If your engine has died SWITCH IT OFF. if you dont as sure as the Lord
made
> little green apples it will fire up again for ten seconds just as you get
> your approach sorted.
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| Subject: | Re: Database updates... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bass" <gtb@commspeed.net>
KIP;
Casually mention to her that you think it
might be nice to spend your anniversary
weekend this year, AWAY from normal
house & home things (that always get in
the way of the celebration, right?).
Gee, maybe you could find a motel way
out in "LONDON". Who knew there
would be 'some sort of convention' at
the same time, going on there?
Good Luck,
George Bass
P. O. Box 770
Camp Verde, AZ
86322
P.S.; I have a good attorney friend if
you require one after the trip.
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| Subject: | Bob's off road vehicle |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
Bob,
Congratulations on your piloting a Kolb glider. You did good!
Richard Swiderski
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert bean
Subject: Kolb-List: Bob's off road vehicle
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
I got my first excitement this afternoon. I had flown a little pattern
this morning,
went home for lunch, took a nap, bought some gas and headed back to the
airport. After a shorter warmup period than usual I taxied down to the
end of
strip, an abbreviated runup and I was off. Since the wind was more
from the
north today that's the way I turned to make it a right hand pattern.
I came back on the power a bit and it apparently suffered from a carb
ice
problem right then. hmmmm, not good methinks. Further power settings
resulted in rpms changing in ways not connected to the little lever.
-surging and whatnot. I decided a precautionary landing in a field was
better than the woods over near the strip. ahh, the wheat field it is.
Right into the wind. Sure glad that farmer uses his rock picker.
Shutting it down, I looked it over pretty good, nothing had fell off.
I gave the fuel press reg. one click up and started it up. Business as
usual. After a lengthy runup (this time), and glance over at some
curiosity
seekers in a pickup on the road, I went for it. Long stubble and lotsa
weeds had me in a bad place until I crested a small rise and voila!
the upcoming fencerow was below me. This time I left it at full
throttle
and picked the smoothest terrain back home. No problem returning
but it sure was made up of the briefest route possible.
Parked in front of the hangar, I pulled off about a bushel of clingy
weeds
from the lower stabilizer wires and pushed it in to bed. Not a scratch.
I guess that induction system might be a little cold-blooded. A carb
heat
system may be in the works. -and a little longer warmup period.
Lawnmower time. BB, do not archive
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| Subject: | Maule Tundra Tail Wheel |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Folks:
Got the Maule Tundra Tail Wheel installed last night early enough to
do a test flight. Undoubtedly, I made it without crashing tail first
into Mother Earth.
It is a good feeling when you change, update, fix, improve, or
whatever, test fly it and it performs much better than expected.
The first thing I noticed when I started to taxi out for take off at
my semi-rough grass strip was the great difference between the 8"
pneumatic tail wheel and the 6" solid tail wheel. Even at the
recommended 45 psi in the tail wheel tire, it was smooth and did not
transmit all the little and big bumps and jars to the airframe.
BTW: Here is what it looked like after I landed at 08A, Wetumpka
Airport late this evening:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Maule%20Tundra%20Tail%20Wheel/DSCF2250.JPG
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Maule%20Tundra%20Tail%20Wheel/DSCF2261.JPG
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Maule%20Tundra%20Tail%20Wheel/DSCF2253.JPG
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Maule%20Tundra%20Tail%20Wheel/DSCF2254.JPG
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Maule%20Tundra%20Tail%20Wheel/DSCF2255.JPG
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Maule%20Tundra%20Tail%20Wheel/DSCF2256.JPG
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
kolb drivers, today being absolutely perfect, I had no excuse to not
aviate
a little. I'll most likely set a record for the longest test period, 50
hours being
an average year for me. Today I started the transition phase from
concentrating
on getting back down in one piece to actually observing how the airplane
flies. Pitch is fine. Right turns are ok. Left turns require a
little more armstrong
than is enjoyable to come back out of. Like John H. says, the rudder
don't
do squat. Since stick pressure seems close to neutral at straight and
level
I question whether a trim tab would be helpful. I'm seriously
considering
Richard Pike's power steering fix. I'm a really lazy guy and don't
like having
to push on the controls. Suggestions are welcome with the exception of
"Bean, park that thing!, take up a new hobby"
-BB do not archive
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