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1. 07:05 AM - HAUCKS PICTURES (Bill Vincent)
2. 07:44 AM - Report from North Florida (H MITCHELL)
3. 07:47 AM - Re: HAUCKS PICTURES (John Hauck)
4. 07:55 AM - Re: Report from North Florida (John Hauck)
5. 01:03 PM - stall speeds Xtra (Silver Fern Microlights Ltd)
6. 01:16 PM - Re: Stall speed (Paul Petty)
7. 02:17 PM - Re: Stall speed (Silver Fern Microlights Ltd)
8. 02:22 PM - Re: stall speeds Xtra (Dan Charter)
9. 02:51 PM - Wings painted (Giovanni Day)
10. 02:59 PM - Re: stall speeds Xtra (Thom Riddle)
11. 03:00 PM - Re: Stall speed (John Hauck)
12. 03:17 PM - Re: stall speeds Xtra (John Hauck)
13. 03:24 PM - Alaska 2004 Part IV (John Hauck)
14. 03:44 PM - Alaska 2004 Part IV (John Hauck)
15. 03:47 PM - Alaska 2004 Part IV (John Hauck)
16. 03:50 PM - Re: Alaska 2004 Part IV (John Hauck)
17. 03:59 PM - Re: Stall speed (Silver Fern Microlights Ltd)
18. 05:35 PM - Lift and Jury Struts (John Hauck)
19. 07:55 PM - Re: Report from North Florida (N27SB@aol.com)
20. 08:11 PM - twinstar W&B (Dan Charter)
21. 08:28 PM - Re: twinstar W&B (John Hauck)
22. 09:10 PM - Re: stall speeds Xtra (Richard Pike)
23. 09:44 PM - Re: twinstar W&B (George Bass)
24. 10:04 PM - Re: twinstar W&B (John Hauck)
25. 10:08 PM - Re: Heat (Larry Cottrell)
26. 10:12 PM - Alvord Desert Fly-in (Larry Cottrell)
27. 10:41 PM - Re: stall speeds Xtra (Beauford)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Vincent" <emailbill@chartermi.net>
Hi John and Gang
John thanks for sharing the beautiful trip pictures with the List. I already printed
some out and have them hanging on my wall, my wife will be displaying some
of your pictures in her office at the VA. :-)
I hope that you and everyone in the path of Hurricane Francis will be safe.
Do Not Archive
Bill Vincent
Firestar II
Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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| Subject: | Report from North Florida |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:44:03 -0400
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
My Mk3 and FireFly are both in my hangar. These hangars are rated to withstand
105 mph winds. The FireFly trailer weighs only 1700 Lbs and has a huge side area
which means there is a it could blow over in hurricane winds. It is parked
between a big (empty) fuel tank and adjacent woods. It is tied down to three foot
long stakes sledge-hammered into some tight soil. So far, so good but the
worst of the storm is yet to come.
Battened down and ready,
Duane the plane, Tallahassee, FL, Mk3/912, FireFly/trailer for sale.
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| Subject: | Re: HAUCKS PICTURES |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| John thanks for sharing the beautiful trip pictures with the List.
| Bill Vincent
Hi Bill:
Thanks for the kind words. Will try to get more pics and captions of
my flight up soon. After goofing off for 48 days, with no one at home
to keep thing going, there are a lot of chores to do.
Plus............all the stuff I have put on hold for the last 20
years, while I built and flew these little airplanes.
I am pretty far inland, but remnants of past hurricanes traveled this
far to do damage. This morning it has gotten windy, but so far, the
rain has held off. They are predicting a lot of the wet stuff for the
next two days. Probably have time to do some more pics if it does.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Report from North Florida |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
So far, so good but the worst of the storm is yet to come.
sale.
Hi Duane/All:
Hang in the Duane. We'll be saying a prayer for everyone in that
area.
I grew up in Tallahassee. Although it has changed tremendously in the
last 47 years since I left to go in the Army, it is still a special
place to me. Brother Jim lives just south of TLH.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | stall speeds Xtra |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
Hi All,
Thanks very much for the views about the stall speed.
I think I will give VGs a go, if I can get the PFA to approve them.
Failing that I will increase the flapperon area, I know this will make the controls
heavier but I will taper them from the inboard end to the tip end, this should
keep the feel about the same but when the flaps are deployed it will increase
the camber over more of the wing and theoritically reduce the stall speed.
We only have to prove one aircraft and then all others, provided they are the same
will be approved.
We have to do the stall speeds against a gps with a series of up and down wind
runs at 2000 feet, then calculate the average.
Regards Kiwi
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Mike,
Are you the same person that made the recomdation to TNK for the heavier
.250 wall thickness lift struts? If so I would like to know more because I
have decided to trade my (barbells) in for the lighter ones....
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Kolb-List: Stall speed
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd"
<kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
>
> Hi Kolbers,
> My name is Mike Moulai or Kiwi for short, I am the UK/European distributor
for Kolb aircraft and I am New to the Group.
> I have been flying for 11 years (microlights) and are a flying instructor
and examiner, also a test pilot in the UK.
> At the moment the stall speed of the Xtra is 37kt at a weight of 431 Kg I
need to get the stall speed down to 35 Kt or lower. I have temporarily
lowered the take off weight to 405 Kg to enable us to gain approval, this
gives a stall speed of 33.5Kt.
> I am looking at fitting a aluminium leading edge sheet to the wing prior
to covering, this to increase the overall camber of the wing and doing so
also smoothening the airflow over the wing and theoritically reducing the
stall speed.
> Alternatively I have seen vortex generators made by the VG Guy which also
are claimed to give the same result, I just think these may look a bit out
of place.
>
> I would appreciate any comments.
>
> Regards Mike
> Silver Fern Microlights Ltd
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
Hi Paul, It was not my decision, this was a mod that was imposed by the PFA
for UK approval as the .125 struts did not meet the negative load
requirements of -3g.
Regards
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Stall speed
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
>
> Mike,
> Are you the same person that made the recomdation to TNK for the heavier
> .250 wall thickness lift struts? If so I would like to know more because I
> have decided to trade my (barbells) in for the lighter ones....
>
>
> Paul Petty
> Building Ms. Dixie
> Kolbra/912UL/Warp
>
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Stall speed
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd"
> <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
> >
> > Hi Kolbers,
> > My name is Mike Moulai or Kiwi for short, I am the UK/European
distributor
> for Kolb aircraft and I am New to the Group.
> > I have been flying for 11 years (microlights) and are a flying
instructor
> and examiner, also a test pilot in the UK.
> > At the moment the stall speed of the Xtra is 37kt at a weight of 431 Kg
I
> need to get the stall speed down to 35 Kt or lower. I have temporarily
> lowered the take off weight to 405 Kg to enable us to gain approval, this
> gives a stall speed of 33.5Kt.
> > I am looking at fitting a aluminium leading edge sheet to the wing prior
> to covering, this to increase the overall camber of the wing and doing so
> also smoothening the airflow over the wing and theoritically reducing the
> stall speed.
> > Alternatively I have seen vortex generators made by the VG Guy which
also
> are claimed to give the same result, I just think these may look a bit out
> of place.
> >
> > I would appreciate any comments.
> >
> > Regards Mike
> > Silver Fern Microlights Ltd
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: stall speeds Xtra |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
I thought the VG's would keep the air attached to your wing better at a
higher AOA at slower speeds. That would do me no good being my stick can't
be in my lap upon landing now. That's unless I want to drag the tail wheel.
I'm 3 point full stalling my firestar at 28 mph indicated. You could get a
lower MCA but what else? I might be way off on this. Set me straight. Do not
archive.
Dan Charter
Original FS 1
----- Original Message -----
From: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Kolb-List: stall speeds Xtra
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd"
<kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
>
> Hi All,
> Thanks very much for the views about the stall speed.
> I think I will give VGs a go, if I can get the PFA to approve them.
> Failing that I will increase the flapperon area, I know this will make the
controls heavier but I will taper them from the inboard end to the tip end,
this should keep the feel about the same but when the flaps are deployed it
will increase the camber over more of the wing and theoritically reduce the
stall speed.
>
> We only have to prove one aircraft and then all others, provided they are
the same will be approved.
> We have to do the stall speeds against a gps with a series of up and down
wind runs at 2000 feet, then calculate the average.
>
> Regards Kiwi
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Kolb fliers,
Just finished shooting the last wing. I have not striped them but that
will wait till winter as time is limited and I want to get to fly some
before it gets to cold. Now for the WT and balance. Feels good to have
all the hard stuff done. Hope to have her flying in a week or two.
Giovanni
MKIII/912 80566 Almost done!!
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| Subject: | Re: stall speeds Xtra |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
Dan,
See my post of Sep 05 at 6:10pm responding to "Stall speed". I discussed this very
same issue.
Thom Riddle
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
the PFA
| for UK approval as the .125 struts did not meet the negative load
| requirements of -3g.
|
| Regards
| Mike
Hi Mike:
Reference negative loads, was this decision made with jury struts
installed on the lift struts?
john h
Titus, Al
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| Subject: | Re: stall speeds Xtra |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
|That's unless I want to drag the tail wheel.
| I'm 3 point full stalling my firestar at 28 mph indicated. | Dan
Charter
| Original FS 1
Dan/All:
I remedied that back in 1987, on my original FS, with 35.5" 4130 gear
legs shoved all the way up to the intersection of the gear leg
sockets. Put the little FS in a perfect 3 pt stance for T/O and
landing, helped overcome some of the typical FS noseover tendancy, and
made it look purty too!
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Alaska 2004 Part IV |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi All:
Happy Labor Day. Wind blowing like crazy, torrential rains only
minutes or hours away. Good time to get another part of my Alaska
Flight Pics on line.
This part covers the flight from Burwash Landing, on Kluane Lake,
Yukon Territory to North Pole, AK, the down to Palmer and the Knik
River.
Burwash Landing is on a large beautiful natural lake between Haines
Junction and Beaver Creek, Yukon Territory. I had been dreaming of a
large Lake Trout lunch at this lodge since I took off from Whitehorse,
YT, that morning. Nell and I had enjoyed lake trout steaks when we
spent the night here, in the parking lot in the 5th wheel in 1997.
Was a little disappointed when I was told, "No trout". Seems the
local commercial fishermen had overfished the lake, the Canadian fish
and game folks shut down commercial fishing for them. Well, if no
trout, then how about a nice big fillet of halibut? We are fresh
out...... How about a Burwash Burger and fries? OK:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20001.jpg
This is the Weather Station at the airport at Burwash. This gentleman
is typical of a lot of local folks at these little villages that man
the weather stations, open and close flight plans, and keep us little
airplane travelers aware of local weather conditions. This fella
loaned me his truck to drive down to the lodge for lunch. BTW: These
people are rapidly disappearing as automation takes over the air nav
system in Canada:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20003.jpg
I made it on into Alaska, only to find more smoke from the forrest
fires. This shot was taken between Delta Junction and North Pole, AK:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20007.jpg
My buddy JD Smith was at Bradley Sky Ranch, North Pole, AK, to pick me
up. JD is a retired Army Chief Warrant Officer W4. He flew almost
everything the Army had that would fly. He also flew the AH-1G Cobra
in Vietnam, most noteworthy, Lam Son 719, into Laos. Still in the
aviation business, JD is civilian airfield manager of Fort Wainwright
Army Airfield, Alaska. JD was responsible for making my life a whole
lot better in 2001 and again this year, while waiting weather, and
smoke, to fly:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20017.jpg
After 5 days at North Pole, the smoke got worse, I decided to fly to
the Anchorage area and do some day flights. Jim Stocker, Knik River,
AK, had invited me to spend time with him. I met Jim at the 912
School, South Mississippi Light Aircraft, Lucedale, MS, last February.
Next photo taken near Cantwell, AK, of the big shovel at the coal
mines in the mountains:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20023.jpg
Not far south of Cantwell is Denali National Park, location of the
highest mountain in the North American Continent, Denali or Mount
McKinley, 20,320 feet ASL. This is the fourth time I have been to
Alaska in the last 10 years and the first time the mountain has come
out of hiding. Normally, Denali is only visible 25% of the time. The
other 75% it is covered up with clouds. Denali generates its own
weather system. This particular day the air is filled with smoke from
the many forrest fires in the State and in Western Canada:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20031.jpg
Same:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20035.jpg
By this time I have climbed to over 10,000 feet ASL:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20036.jpg
Same:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20038.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20041.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20044.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20045.jpg
No way not to get excited, sit on the edge of your seat, and
thoroughly enjoy the rugged magnificence of the Denali area. Believe
me, there is not place to go in the event of a forced landing, except
down. Not trying to be overly dramatic, just stating the facts. This
was also one of those places that made me realize what a small speck
my MKIII and I were on the face of this beautiful area:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20046.jpg
Approaching Denali:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20048.jpg
No man's land:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20049.jpg
Denali area:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20050.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20051.jpg
I think this is the Moose's Tooth:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20052.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20060.jpg
Denali:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20053.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20054.jpg
Denali area:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20055.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20063.jpg
Some of the many glaciers:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20060.jpg
I was 50+ miles from Talkeetna, while soaring around Denali. With the
aid of losing 10,000 feet of altitude and a little tailwind, I wa soon
on the ground. Latitude 62 is a local hang out, bar and resturant.
Good food and atmosphere. From Hudson's Air Service, at Talkeetna
Airport, it is a short walk through the bush, across the railroad
track, to the lodge:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20067.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20068.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20069.jpg
Talkeetna Airport:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20073.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20074.jpg
Between Talkeetna and Willow I saw a strange looking tower, off to the
south, several miles from my flight path. Better get over there and
see what it is:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20075.jpg
Flew a couple orbits around it, and still don't know what it is:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20076.jpg
When I got back up to the Fairbanks area, talked to a gentleman from
that area. Said the cabin belonged to a lawyer in Anchorage. He got
a little carried away with his simple observation deck.
A view from Jim Stocker's house to his hanger and PA-12 Piper:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20077.jpg
I took this picture because of the interesting design made by the
rafters and the sun. However, I am glad I did now. I think this is
the only picture I have of Jim's 912 powered Rans 912 powered bush
plane. Notice the nice Alaska Tundra Tires. This is really a cool
little airplane:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20079.jpg
Jim and his PA-12, taxiing down the road to the gravel strip on the
Knik River:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20081.jpg
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| Subject: | Alaska 2004 Part IV |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi All:
Happy Labor Day. Wind blowing like crazy, torrential rains only
minutes or hours away. Good time to get another part of my Alaska
Flight Pics on line.
This part covers the flight from Burwash Landing, on Kluane Lake,
Yukon Territory to North Pole, AK, the down to Palmer and the Knik
River.
Burwash Landing is on a large beautiful natural lake between Haines
Junction and Beaver Creek, Yukon Territory. I had been dreaming of a
large Lake Trout lunch at this lodge since I took off from Whitehorse,
YT, that morning. Nell and I had enjoyed lake trout steaks when we
spent the night here, in the parking lot in the 5th wheel in 1997.
Was a little disappointed when I was told, "No trout". Seems the
local commercial fishermen had overfished the lake, the Canadian fish
and game folks shut down commercial fishing for them. Well, if no
trout, then how about a nice big fillet of halibut? We are fresh
out...... How about a Burwash Burger and fries? OK:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20001.jpg
This is the Weather Station at the airport at Burwash. This gentleman
is typical of a lot of local folks at these little villages that man
the weather stations, open and close flight plans, and keep us little
airplane travelers aware of local weather conditions. This fella
loaned me his truck to drive down to the lodge for lunch. BTW: These
people are rapidly disappearing as automation takes over the air nav
system in Canada:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20003.jpg
I made it on into Alaska, only to find more smoke from the forrest
fires. This shot was taken between Delta Junction and North Pole, AK:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20007.jpg
My buddy JD Smith was at Bradley Sky Ranch, North Pole, AK, to pick me
up. JD is a retired Army Chief Warrant Officer W4. He flew almost
everything the Army had that would fly. He also flew the AH-1G Cobra
in Vietnam, most noteworthy, Lam Son 719, into Laos. Still in the
aviation business, JD is civilian airfield manager of Fort Wainwright
Army Airfield, Alaska. JD was responsible for making my life a whole
lot better in 2001 and again this year, while waiting weather, and
smoke, to fly:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20017.jpg
After 5 days at North Pole, the smoke got worse, I decided to fly to
the Anchorage area and do some day flights. Jim Stocker, Knik River,
AK, had invited me to spend time with him. I met Jim at the 912
School, South Mississippi Light Aircraft, Lucedale, MS, last February.
Next photo taken near Cantwell, AK, of the big shovel at the coal
mines in the mountains:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20023.jpg
Not far south of Cantwell is Denali National Park, location of the
highest mountain in the North American Continent, Denali or Mount
McKinley, 20,320 feet ASL. This is the fourth time I have been to
Alaska in the last 10 years and the first time the mountain has come
out of hiding. Normally, Denali is only visible 25% of the time. The
other 75% it is covered up with clouds. Denali generates its own
weather system. This particular day the air is filled with smoke from
the many forrest fires in the State and in Western Canada:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20031.jpg
Same:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20035.jpg
By this time I have climbed to over 10,000 feet ASL:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20036.jpg
Same:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20038.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20041.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20044.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20045.jpg
No way not to get excited, sit on the edge of your seat, and
thoroughly enjoy the rugged magnificence of the Denali area. Believe
me, there is not place to go in the event of a forced landing, except
down. Not trying to be overly dramatic, just stating the facts. This
was also one of those places that made me realize what a small speck
my MKIII and I were on the face of this beautiful area:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20046.jpg
Approaching Denali:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20048.jpg
No man's land:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20049.jpg
Denali area:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20050.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20051.jpg
I think this is the Moose's Tooth:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20052.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20060.jpg
Denali:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20053.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20054.jpg
Denali area:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20055.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20063.jpg
Some of the many glaciers:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20060.jpg
I was 50+ miles from Talkeetna, while soaring around Denali. With the
aid of losing 10,000 feet of altitude and a little tailwind, I wa soon
on the ground. Latitude 62 is a local hang out, bar and resturant.
Good food and atmosphere. From Hudson's Air Service, at Talkeetna
Airport, it is a short walk through the bush, across the railroad
track, to the lodge:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20067.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20068.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20069.jpg
Talkeetna Airport:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20073.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20074.jpg
Between Talkeetna and Willow I saw a strange looking tower, off to the
south, several miles from my flight path. Better get over there and
see what it is:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20075.jpg
Flew a couple orbits around it, and still don't know what it is:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20076.jpg
When I got back up to the Fairbanks area, talked to a gentleman from
that area. Said the cabin belonged to a lawyer in Anchorage. He got
a little carried away with his simple observation deck.
A view from Jim Stocker's house to his hanger and PA-12 Piper:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20077.jpg
I took this picture because of the interesting design made by the
rafters and the sun. However, I am glad I did now. I think this is
the only picture I have of Jim's 912 powered Rans 912 powered bush
plane. Notice the nice Alaska Tundra Tires. This is really a cool
little airplane:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20079.jpg
Jim and his PA-12, taxiing down the road to the gravel strip on the
Knik River:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20081.jpg
His neighbors house on the way to the airstrip:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20082.jpg
And we are off and chasing the PA-12 up the Knik River to the
mountains and glaciers:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20082.jpg
Don't get much better than this:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20098.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20099.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20103.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20104.jpg
Yep, that's ice bergs down there in the lake, created by the glacier:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20105.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20106.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20111.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20112.jpg
Same general area:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20114.jpg
Absolutely no where to go if the airplane suddenly gets quiet. The
foot of the glacier, with ice crystals that are probably 100 to 150
feet tall:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20117.jpg
Not a good quality photo, but gives one an idea of just how large
these mountains and glaciers really are:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20123.jpg
There were some fun, natural airstrips to land on next to the glacier
moraine. The photo looks dark because it was 2300 hours, Alaska Time.
We check them out:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20128.jpg
I initially tied down next to the gravel strip because I did not think
I could get Miss P'fer over the steel gate and another couple posts
further up the road. She didn't mind sitting there looking at the
mountains and the Knik River:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20113.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20124.jpg
Ready for take off from Jim Stocker's gravel airstrip on the Knik
River. The river level is dictated by how high the temperatures get
and how fast the glaciers melt. Notice the river is going down a
little, leaving some black mud and glacial silt on the strip. We
could only use the upper end of the strip because the lower end was
still under water:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20129.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20130.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20131.jpg
This will keep you all busy for a little while. By that time,
maybe.........., I can get a couple more installments up and running.
Next will be the flight down to Homer, Seldovia, and Kachemak Bay, and
return to Knik River. Then we'll fly the ice field over the mountains
to Valdez, Chitna, and McCarthy.
I hope you enjoy my flight,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi All:
Happy Labor Day. Wind blowing like crazy, torrential rains only
minutes or hours away. Good time to get another part of my Alaska
Flight Pics on line.
This part covers the flight from Burwash Landing, on Kluane Lake,
Yukon Territory to North Pole, AK, the down to Palmer and the Knik
River.
Burwash Landing is on a large beautiful natural lake between Haines
Junction and Beaver Creek, Yukon Territory. I had been dreaming of a
large Lake Trout lunch at this lodge since I took off from Whitehorse,
YT, that morning. Nell and I had enjoyed lake trout steaks when we
spent the night here, in the parking lot in the 5th wheel in 1997.
Was a little disappointed when I was told, "No trout". Seems the
local commercial fishermen had overfished the lake, the Canadian fish
and game folks shut down commercial fishing for them. Well, if no
trout, then how about a nice big fillet of halibut? We are fresh
out...... How about a Burwash Burger and fries? OK:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20001.jpg
This is the Weather Station at the airport at Burwash. This gentleman
is typical of a lot of local folks at these little villages that man
the weather stations, open and close flight plans, and keep us little
airplane travelers aware of local weather conditions. This fella
loaned me his truck to drive down to the lodge for lunch. BTW: These
people are rapidly disappearing as automation takes over the air nav
system in Canada:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20003.jpg
I made it on into Alaska, only to find more smoke from the forrest
fires. This shot was taken between Delta Junction and North Pole, AK:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20007.jpg
My buddy JD Smith was at Bradley Sky Ranch, North Pole, AK, to pick me
up. JD is a retired Army Chief Warrant Officer W4. He flew almost
everything the Army had that would fly. He also flew the AH-1G Cobra
in Vietnam, most noteworthy, Lam Son 719, into Laos. Still in the
aviation business, JD is civilian airfield manager of Fort Wainwright
Army Airfield, Alaska. JD was responsible for making my life a whole
lot better in 2001 and again this year, while waiting weather, and
smoke, to fly:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20017.jpg
After 5 days at North Pole, the smoke got worse, I decided to fly to
the Anchorage area and do some day flights. Jim Stocker, Knik River,
AK, had invited me to spend time with him. I met Jim at the 912
School, South Mississippi Light Aircraft, Lucedale, MS, last February.
Next photo taken near Cantwell, AK, of the big shovel at the coal
mines in the mountains:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20023.jpg
Not far south of Cantwell is Denali National Park, location of the
highest mountain in the North American Continent, Denali or Mount
McKinley, 20,320 feet ASL. This is the fourth time I have been to
Alaska in the last 10 years and the first time the mountain has come
out of hiding. Normally, Denali is only visible 25% of the time. The
other 75% it is covered up with clouds. Denali generates its own
weather system. This particular day the air is filled with smoke from
the many forrest fires in the State and in Western Canada:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20031.jpg
Same:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20035.jpg
By this time I have climbed to over 10,000 feet ASL:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20036.jpg
Same:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20038.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20041.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20044.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20045.jpg
No way not to get excited, sit on the edge of your seat, and
thoroughly enjoy the rugged magnificence of the Denali area. Believe
me, there is not place to go in the event of a forced landing, except
down. Not trying to be overly dramatic, just stating the facts. This
was also one of those places that made me realize what a small speck
my MKIII and I were on the face of this beautiful area:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20046.jpg
Approaching Denali:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20048.jpg
No man's land:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20049.jpg
Denali area:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20050.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20051.jpg
I think this is the Moose's Tooth:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20052.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20060.jpg
Denali:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20053.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20054.jpg
Denali area:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20055.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20063.jpg
Some of the many glaciers:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20060.jpg
I was 50+ miles from Talkeetna, while soaring around Denali. With the
aid of losing 10,000 feet of altitude and a little tailwind, I was
soon
on the ground. Latitude 62 is a local hang out, bar and restaurant.
Good food and atmosphere. From Hudson's Air Service, at Talkeetna
Airport, it is a short walk through the bush, across the railroad
track, to the lodge:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20067.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20068.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20069.jpg
Talkeetna Airport:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20073.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20074.jpg
Between Talkeetna and Willow I saw a strange looking tower, off to the
south, several miles from my flight path. Better get over there and
see what it is:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20075.jpg
Flew a couple orbits around it, and still don't know what it is:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20076.jpg
When I got back up to the Fairbanks area, talked to a gentleman from
that area. Said the cabin belonged to a lawyer in Anchorage. He got
a little carried away with his simple observation deck.
A view from Jim Stocker's house to his hanger and PA-12 Piper:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20077.jpg
I took this picture because of the interesting design made by the
rafters and the sun. However, I am glad I did now. I think this is
the only picture I have of Jim's 912 powered Rans 912 powered bush
plane. Notice the nice Alaska Tundra Tires. This is really a cool
little airplane:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20079.jpg
Jim and his PA-12, taxiing down the road to the gravel strip on the
Knik River:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20081.jpg
His neighbors house on the way to the airstrip:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20082.jpg
And we are off and chasing the PA-12 up the Knik River to the
mountains and glaciers:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20082.jpg
Don't get much better than this:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20098.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20099.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20103.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20104.jpg
Yep, that's ice bergs down there in the lake, created by the glacier:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20105.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20106.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20111.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20112.jpg
Same general area:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20114.jpg
Absolutely no where to go if the airplane suddenly gets quiet. The
foot of the glacier, with ice crystals that are probably 100 to 150
feet tall:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20117.jpg
Not a good quality photo, but gives one an idea of just how large
these mountains and glaciers really are:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20123.jpg
There were some fun, natural airstrips to land on next to the glacier
moraine. The photo looks dark because it was 2300 hours, Alaska Time.
We check them out:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20128.jpg
I initially tied down next to the gravel strip because I did not think
I could get Miss P'fer over the steel gate and another couple posts
further up the road. She didn't mind sitting there looking at the
mountains and the Knik River:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20113.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20124.jpg
Ready for take off from Jim Stocker's gravel airstrip on the Knik
River. The river level is dictated by how high the temperatures get
and how fast the glaciers melt. Notice the river is going down a
little, leaving some black mud and glacial silt on the strip. We
could only use the upper end of the strip because the lower end was
still under water:
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20129.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20130.jpg
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20131.jpg
This will keep you all busy for a little while. By that time,
maybe.........., I can get a couple more installments up and running.
Next will be the flight down to Homer, Seldovia, and Kachemak Bay, and
return to Knik River. Then we'll fly the ice field over the mountains
to Valdez, Chitna, and McCarthy.
I hope you enjoy my flight,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Alaska 2004 Part IV |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Everybody:
Disregard this post. Was a premature hiccup on my part,
again...........................
Don't know what I am going to do with myself if I do not learn how to
control the keys I inadvertently punch.
The complete one is on the way.
Truthfully, I did not know I had screwed this first one up.
john h
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Alaska 2004 Part IV
| --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
|
| Hi All:
|
| Happy Labor Day. Wind blowing like crazy, torrential rains only
| minutes or hours away. Good time to get another part of my Alaska
| Flight Pics on line.
|
| This part covers the flight from Burwash Landing, on Kluane Lake,
| Yukon Territory to North Pole, AK, the down to Palmer and the Knik
| River.
|
| Burwash Landing is on a large beautiful natural lake between Haines
| Junction and Beaver Creek, Yukon Territory. I had been dreaming of
a
| large Lake Trout lunch at this lodge since I took off from
Whitehorse,
| YT, that morning. Nell and I had enjoyed lake trout steaks when we
| spent the night here, in the parking lot in the 5th wheel in 1997.
| Was a little disappointed when I was told, "No trout". Seems the
| local commercial fishermen had overfished the lake, the Canadian
fish
| and game folks shut down commercial fishing for them. Well, if no
| trout, then how about a nice big fillet of halibut? We are fresh
| out...... How about a Burwash Burger and fries? OK:
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20001.jpg
|
| This is the Weather Station at the airport at Burwash. This
gentleman
| is typical of a lot of local folks at these little villages that man
| the weather stations, open and close flight plans, and keep us
little
| airplane travelers aware of local weather conditions. This fella
| loaned me his truck to drive down to the lodge for lunch. BTW:
These
| people are rapidly disappearing as automation takes over the air nav
| system in Canada:
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20003.jpg
|
| I made it on into Alaska, only to find more smoke from the forrest
| fires. This shot was taken between Delta Junction and North Pole,
AK:
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20007.jpg
|
| My buddy JD Smith was at Bradley Sky Ranch, North Pole, AK, to pick
me
| up. JD is a retired Army Chief Warrant Officer W4. He flew almost
| everything the Army had that would fly. He also flew the AH-1G
Cobra
| in Vietnam, most noteworthy, Lam Son 719, into Laos. Still in the
| aviation business, JD is civilian airfield manager of Fort
Wainwright
| Army Airfield, Alaska. JD was responsible for making my life a
whole
| lot better in 2001 and again this year, while waiting weather, and
| smoke, to fly:
|
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20017.jpg
|
|
| After 5 days at North Pole, the smoke got worse, I decided to fly to
| the Anchorage area and do some day flights. Jim Stocker, Knik
River,
| AK, had invited me to spend time with him. I met Jim at the 912
| School, South Mississippi Light Aircraft, Lucedale, MS, last
February.
| Next photo taken near Cantwell, AK, of the big shovel at the coal
| mines in the mountains:
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20023.jpg
|
| Not far south of Cantwell is Denali National Park, location of the
| highest mountain in the North American Continent, Denali or Mount
| McKinley, 20,320 feet ASL. This is the fourth time I have been to
| Alaska in the last 10 years and the first time the mountain has come
| out of hiding. Normally, Denali is only visible 25% of the time.
The
| other 75% it is covered up with clouds. Denali generates its own
| weather system. This particular day the air is filled with smoke
from
| the many forrest fires in the State and in Western Canada:
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20031.jpg
|
| Same:
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20035.jpg
|
| By this time I have climbed to over 10,000 feet ASL:
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20036.jpg
|
| Same:
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20038.jpg
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20041.jpg
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20044.jpg
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20045.jpg
|
| No way not to get excited, sit on the edge of your seat, and
| thoroughly enjoy the rugged magnificence of the Denali area.
Believe
| me, there is not place to go in the event of a forced landing,
except
| down. Not trying to be overly dramatic, just stating the facts.
This
| was also one of those places that made me realize what a small speck
| my MKIII and I were on the face of this beautiful area:
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20046.jpg
|
| Approaching Denali:
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20048.jpg
|
| No man's land:
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20049.jpg
|
| Denali area:
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20050.jpg
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20051.jpg
|
| I think this is the Moose's Tooth:
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20052.jpg
|
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20060.jpg
| Denali:
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20053.jpg
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20054.jpg
|
| Denali area:
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20055.jpg
|
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20063.jpg
| Some of the many glaciers:
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20060.jpg
|
| I was 50+ miles from Talkeetna, while soaring around Denali. With
the
| aid of losing 10,000 feet of altitude and a little tailwind, I wa
soon
| on the ground. Latitude 62 is a local hang out, bar and resturant.
| Good food and atmosphere. From Hudson's Air Service, at Talkeetna
| Airport, it is a short walk through the bush, across the railroad
| track, to the lodge:
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20067.jpg
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20068.jpg
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20069.jpg
|
| Talkeetna Airport:
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20073.jpg
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20074.jpg
|
| Between Talkeetna and Willow I saw a strange looking tower, off to
the
| south, several miles from my flight path. Better get over there and
| see what it is:
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20075.jpg
|
| Flew a couple orbits around it, and still don't know what it is:
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20076.jpg
|
| When I got back up to the Fairbanks area, talked to a gentleman from
| that area. Said the cabin belonged to a lawyer in Anchorage. He
got
| a little carried away with his simple observation deck.
|
| A view from Jim Stocker's house to his hanger and PA-12 Piper:
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20077.jpg
|
| I took this picture because of the interesting design made by the
| rafters and the sun. However, I am glad I did now. I think this is
| the only picture I have of Jim's 912 powered Rans 912 powered bush
| plane. Notice the nice Alaska Tundra Tires. This is really a cool
| little airplane:
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20079.jpg
|
| Jim and his PA-12, taxiing down the road to the gravel strip on the
| Knik River:
|
|
http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/Part%20IV/Burwash%20to%20Palmer%20Email/2004a%20081.jpg
|
|
|
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
Hi John, no jury struts, as on round tube in neg load they can bow forward
or aft aswell, not only up. so jury struts would not work. However on the
old streamline struts it was not a problem as they could not bow forward or
aft
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Stall speed
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
> | Hi Paul, It was not my decision, this was a mod that was imposed by
> the PFA
>
> Hi Mike:
>
> Reference negative loads, was this decision made with jury struts
> installed on the lift struts?
>
> john h
> Titus, Al
>
>
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| Subject: | Lift and Jury Struts |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
forward
| or aft aswell, not only up. so jury struts would not work. However
on the
| old streamline struts it was not a problem as they could not bow
forward or
| aft
| Mike
Hi Mike/Gang:
Jury struts work on this side of the pond, on round struts too. Use
two struts per lift strut. Attach from lift strut to a fore and an
aft position. Seems this would take care of up and down, as well as
fore and aft.
BTW: I changed the subject line.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Report from North Florida |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
Frances has come and gone here in Orlando, We are back in the dark, no
power. Seems like yesterday. However, some of us were smart enough to buy a 7KW
generator a few years ago and also keep about 100 gals of fuel around so it's not
that bad at the homestead. Really tough though on those that don't take this
stuff serious. I have more trees that fell on top of my other knocked down
trees and my 100 year old cottage got the roofing pulled off but every thing is
dried in and my MKIII and Firefly projects are fine.
Its funny but my dad has an Uncle and Aunt named Chuck and Fran that visit
about every 10 years. I guess this was their year.
Time to pop some rivits by candlelight.
Steve Boetto
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
I know a guy in the Reamer MN area that has a Twinstar that has very little time
in it. He says it climbs great but for cruise he has allot of back pressure
on the stick. He wants to put a 5 lb hammer in the tube. I think I talked him
out of it. How far back from the leading edge is the CG on a Twinstar? With the
pilot in the plane and 3 gals. the Weights are.
LM 308 LBS
RM 295 LBS
Tail 45 LBS
No pilot and 3 gals. gas
LM 192
RM 190
Tail 58
The program my buddy was using stated that it was 23.25" back from the leading
edge.
Do not archive
Dan Charter
FS 1
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| Subject: | Re: twinstar W&B |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
very little time in it. He says it climbs great but for cruise he has
allot of back pressure on the stick. He wants to put a 5 lb hammer in
the tube. I think I talked him out of it. How far back from the
leading edge is the CG on a Twinstar? | Dan Charter
Dan C/All:
Does he have a cg problem or a pitch trim problem when under cruise
power?
Kolb airplanes have been proven for many years and many models to be
great airplanes, both flying and strength. I would think, unless a
pilot is way over average, or way under average, or the builder has
drastically made changes in the basic airplane, that the airplane is
withing cg and good to fly.
However, he may have the airplane rigged wrong and not have any type
of pitch trim installed. If the ailerons/flaps are drooped, the nose
is really going to be pitch down. On the other hand, if the
ailerons/flaps are rigged up (reflexed), the airplane will want to
climb and nose down trimm will be required to reduce stick pressure.
A certain about of nose pitch down will be experienced from the high
thrust line of all Kolb models except the Ultrastar which has the
engine and prop mounted under the tailboom, instead of on top.
If it was my Twinstar I would try to rig the ailerons to reduce stick
pressure. If that did not take care of all of it, I would then design
and fabricate pitch trim to take care of the rest of the stick
pressure problem.
Hope I have not confused anyone, too much.....................
john h
PS: Last thing I would want to do is put ballast in the airplane.
Got enough stuff to haul around with me as it is.
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| Subject: | Re: stall speeds Xtra |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
I have found that it's not the lower stall speed that is so important, it
is how much better the airplane flys at speeds just above stall that make
VG's worth while.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
At 04:07 PM 9/6/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
>
>I thought the VG's would keep the air attached to your wing better at a
>higher AOA at slower speeds. That would do me no good being my stick can't
>be in my lap upon landing now. That's unless I want to drag the tail wheel.
>I'm 3 point full stalling my firestar at 28 mph indicated. You could get a
>lower MCA but what else? I might be way off on this. Set me straight. Do not
>archive.
>Dan Charter
>Original FS 1
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kolb-List: stall speeds Xtra
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd"
><kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
> >
> > Hi All,
> > Thanks very much for the views about the stall speed.
> > I think I will give VGs a go, if I can get the PFA to approve them.
> > Failing that I will increase the flapperon area, I know this will make the
>controls heavier but I will taper them from the inboard end to the tip end,
>this should keep the feel about the same but when the flaps are deployed it
>will increase the camber over more of the wing and theoritically reduce the
>stall speed.
> >
> > We only have to prove one aircraft and then all others, provided they are
>the same will be approved.
> > We have to do the stall speeds against a gps with a series of up and down
>wind runs at 2000 feet, then calculate the average.
> >
> > Regards Kiwi
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: twinstar W&B |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bass" <gtb@commspeed.net>
John, et al;
I don't really have any business getting in on this,
BUT, is there a chance that the incidence of the
horizontal tail section is not proper in the plane
that is so out of trim at cruise?
There didn't seem to be any mention of this at
slower speeds.
(flame retardant close by)
George Bass
P. O. Box 770
Camp Verde, AZ
86322
USUA #30899
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| Subject: | Re: twinstar W&B |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| horizontal tail section is not proper in the plane
| that is so out of trim at cruise?
Hi George/All:
Reckon it could be a possibility.
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
>
> I have a very nice KXP 503 ....in East Central Ohio...any tips on how to
get some heat in it for winter..it gets cold here in Ohio..any ideas ...as I
get older my feet will get cold::rains in the summer most time...real cold
in the winter just 70 miles downwind from lake erie at East Liverpool.
thanks for any tips Jay Carter
>
Hi,
I have a firestar II and what I did was capture the air out of the
shroud that cools the engine. I made a tube that fits over the shroud ports
with a gate that I can open or close to get the desired heat, then routed a
scat tube into the enclosure. I can send pictures if you would like.
Larry
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| Subject: | Alvord Desert Fly-in |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
Guys,
The fly-in for the Alvord is the 17th through the 20th of Sept. Lots of fun,
good scenery, Hot springs with occasionally unclad women, not often enough though.
Very large runway- 6 miles wide, 11 miles long.
Larry,Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: stall speeds Xtra |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
I second Brother Pike's input...
For me, the VG's made a totally different airplane out of the Firefly down
in ground effect... I weigh 208, or so, and even carrying some extra speed
into the landing, without the VG's that short winged sucker would blow
through the bottom of a power-off landing flare like a bowling ball through
a wet newspaper... With the gizmos installed on the wings and bottom of the
horizontal stab, there is plenty of buoyancy and elevator authority for a
good cushion through the flare... now it just FEELS like it wants to keep
on flying through the flare, where before it always gave me the impression
it was intent on taking a soil-sample.
The hurricane gave Tampa a good slow hosing.... some initial confusion when
I went through the storm checklist without the reading glasses... (got
crossed-up...brought in the patio furniture and threw the cats into the
pool... took a while to sort out... there was an up-side...that lot
included the one who peed all over the roll of Stits fabric back when I was
covering the Firefly, so I didn't feel all that bad about the screw-up...
the others were guilty by association) Some big 'ol oaks went down in the
neighborhood here and we had about 11 inches of rain in the gauges ...power
was out 19 hours... generator cranked OK... no real problems... could have
been a lot worse.
Was finally able to get down to the airport at Manatee on the south edge of
Tampa Bay about mid-day today... The ugly little Kolb trailer is still
upright on the tiedown and appears undamaged... I talked to some gents there
who said they had some gusts well over 60 at the airstrip... sustained winds
of over 50 for many hours... I reckon the extra mobile home strap over the
top of the trailer paid off... I may add another one before Ivan shows up
later in the week... this Florida business surely is exciting...
Do Not Archive
Beauford, the Aluminum Butcher of Brandon
FF#076
----- Original Message -----
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
it
> is how much better the airplane flys at speeds just above stall that make
> VG's worth while.
>
> Richard Pike
>> At 04:07 PM 9/6/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
>>
. You could get a
>>lower MCA but what else? I might be way off on this. Set me straight. Do
>>not
>>archive.
>>Dan Charter
>
>>Subject: Kolb-List: stall speeds Xtra
>>
>>
>> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd"
>><kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
>> > I think I will give VGs a go, if I can get the PFA to approve them.
>> > reduce the
>>stall speed.
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