Kolb-List Digest Archive

Tue 09/07/04


Total Messages Posted: 23



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 02:52 AM - Re: twinstar W&B (Dan Charter)
     2. 02:57 AM - Re: twinstar W&B (Dan Charter)
     3. 03:28 AM - Re: Alaska 2004 Part III (GeoR38@aol.com)
     4. 05:03 AM - Re: stall speeds Xtra (Thom Riddle)
     5. 06:38 AM - high lift (robert bean)
     6. 06:41 AM - Re: stall speeds Xtra (N27SB@aol.com)
     7. 07:19 AM - Ultra Flight Radio (John Hauck)
     8. 08:36 AM - Ready to fly ? (H MITCHELL)
     9. 08:52 AM - Hurricane Frances gone (H MITCHELL)
    10. 09:12 AM - Re: Ultra Flight Radio (Paul Petty)
    11. 09:46 AM - Re: Alaska 2004 Part IV (William George)
    12. 09:50 AM - Re: Ultra Flight Radio (Kelvin Kurkowski)
    13. 10:30 AM - Re: Alaska 2004 Part IV (John Hauck)
    14. 12:37 PM - Re: Wings painted (Jim Ballenger)
    15. 12:46 PM - Re: Lift and Jury Struts (Silver Fern Microlights Ltd)
    16. 02:38 PM - Re: Hurricane Frances gone (Randy Bortree)
    17. 03:29 PM - Alaska 2004 Part IV (Dan Cooper)
    18. 05:49 PM - Re: Alaska 2004 Part IV (John Hauck)
    19. 07:15 PM - Re: Report from North Florida (Richard Swiderwski)
    20. 08:03 PM - 1st Flight (al bumhoffer)
    21. 08:42 PM - Re: 1st Flight (Larry Bourne)
    22. 09:16 PM - Re: 1st Flight (John Hauck)
    23. 09:57 PM - Re: 1st Flight (Edward Chmielewski)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:52:12 AM PST US
    From: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
    Subject: Re: twinstar W&B
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com> I'll send this info to him. Maybe he'll get on the list himself. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: twinstar W&B > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> > > > | I know a guy in the Reamer MN area that has a Twinstar that has > very little time in it. He says it climbs great but for cruise he has > allot of back pressure on the stick. He wants to put a 5 lb hammer in > the tube. I think I talked him out of it. How far back from the > leading edge is the CG on a Twinstar? | Dan Charter > > Dan C/All: > > Does he have a cg problem or a pitch trim problem when under cruise > power? > > Kolb airplanes have been proven for many years and many models to be > great airplanes, both flying and strength. I would think, unless a > pilot is way over average, or way under average, or the builder has > drastically made changes in the basic airplane, that the airplane is > withing cg and good to fly. > > However, he may have the airplane rigged wrong and not have any type > of pitch trim installed. If the ailerons/flaps are drooped, the nose > is really going to be pitch down. On the other hand, if the > ailerons/flaps are rigged up (reflexed), the airplane will want to > climb and nose down trimm will be required to reduce stick pressure. > > A certain about of nose pitch down will be experienced from the high > thrust line of all Kolb models except the Ultrastar which has the > engine and prop mounted under the tailboom, instead of on top. > > If it was my Twinstar I would try to rig the ailerons to reduce stick > pressure. If that did not take care of all of it, I would then design > and fabricate pitch trim to take care of the rest of the stick > pressure problem. > > Hope I have not confused anyone, too much..................... > > john h > > PS: Last thing I would want to do is put ballast in the airplane. > Got enough stuff to haul around with me as it is. > >


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    Time: 02:57:59 AM PST US
    From: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
    Subject: Re: twinstar W&B
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com> He says it climbs out great. Too much back pressure at cruise with full trim in. the tail looks to be set up like my FS 1. Do not archive DC FS1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Bass" <gtb@commspeed.net> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: twinstar W&B > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bass" <gtb@commspeed.net> > > John, et al; > > I don't really have any business getting in on this, > BUT, is there a chance that the incidence of the > horizontal tail section is not proper in the plane > that is so out of trim at cruise? > > There didn't seem to be any mention of this at > slower speeds. > > (flame retardant close by) > > George Bass > P. O. Box 770 > Camp Verde, AZ > 86322 > > USUA #30899 > > > --- > >


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    Time: 03:28:44 AM PST US
    From: GeoR38@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Alaska 2004 Part III
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com In a message dated 9/2/04 12:14:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/Alaska%202004/DSCF1006.JPG Oh my my my!!....kinda takes the breath away.....absolutely gorgeous!! George Randolph firestar driver from The Villages.....finally...almost....but had to drive through a hurricane!!


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    Time: 05:03:25 AM PST US
    From: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
    Subject: Re: stall speeds Xtra
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net> When I moved to Buffalo, NY from Atlanta after retiring, folks up here in the great white north questioned my sanity because most of them think that Florida is Nirvana. I know better having suffered a direct hit from a tornado in Atlanta several years ago. We get a steady but manageable wind off Lake Erie and the snow is predictable and manageable as well. Tornadoes, hurricanes, earth quakes are not manageable. I cringe for you guys this time of year. Ask me again in January how much I like it here :-). Thom do not archive


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    Time: 06:38:08 AM PST US
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: high lift
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> http://www.fanwing.com/ Here's a great site extracted from aeronews.net. Looks like the Kolb wing has some serious competition. About 20 years ago I wanted to install a wind generator similar to this design at the top of the hill behind my house. -Would have been a lot more efficient, especially at low windspeeds than the big propeller mills. I settled for a watersource heat pump. -BB do not archive


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    Time: 06:41:06 AM PST US
    From: N27SB@aol.com
    Subject: Re: stall speeds Xtra
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com In a message dated 9/7/04 12:41:39 AM Central Daylight Time, beauford@tampabay.rr.com writes: > The hurricane gave Tampa a good slow hosing.... some initial confusion > when > I went through the storm checklist without the reading glasses... (got > crossed-up...brought in the patio furniture and threw the cats into the > pool... Sounds like you got the Cat/ lawn chair thing right. Except here in Orlando we don't wait for a hurricane. Steve B Do not archive


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    Time: 07:19:02 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Ultra Flight Radio
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Morning Gang: Almost forgot. I'll be on the Ultra Flight Radio Show this morning at 1020 Central Time. We'll be talking about my flight to Alaska this year. To listen to the radio, go to: http://www.ultraflightradio.com/ At the upper left hand corner of the opening page, click on "Listen Live". They have a toll free telephone number to call in and ask questions live: (888) 514-2100 This will be my first introduction to Ultra Flight Radio. I haven't listened to it before. So, if you have any questions, call in and ask. Take care, john h DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 08:36:42 AM PST US
    From: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
    Subject: Ready to fly ?
    Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:36:17 -0400 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com> Giovanni Day et al, One of the procedures used by the FAA accident investigators is a controls continuity check. It has occurred to me that it might be prudent to do this before the accident. This procedure is where they look at each component of a given control system. I.E.: the aileron control system, starting with the stick and going item-by-item through the joints at the base of the stick to the push rod ends, control arm ends etc and concluding with the precise movement of the aileron surface. In our simple planes the whole job includes throttle, elevator, rudder, ailerons, flaps etc. The objective is to make sure every connection is bolted, welded, pined or otherwise linked together by a positive mechanically connection. I always do this before I make my first flight tests. I will not elaborate but this has saved my bacon. It is the exact opposite of "kicking tires, lighting the fire and seeing what this baby can do" (R.I.P). Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL Mk3/912, FireFly for sale.


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    Time: 08:52:49 AM PST US
    From: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
    Subject: Hurricane Frances gone
    Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:52:15 -0400 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com> Ed Diebel et al, Frances has passed over us with no problems. Even my empty FireFly trailer stayed right side up and unharmed. We had minor damage on some property we have on the Gulf but nothing serious. Thanks for the good wishes. I sure hope the Kolbers down South did as well. Ivan, please break up! My question now is what will they do when they run out of hurricane names when they get to Zelda? Will they use numbers or start again with Albert? do not archive


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    Time: 09:12:45 AM PST US
    From: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
    Subject: Re: Ultra Flight Radio
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net> Was a great show John. It will be archived as well so if anyone missed it check after tomorrow.. Paul Petty Building Ms. Dixie Kolbra/912UL/Warp www.c-gate.net/~ppetty do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Subject: Kolb-List: Ultra Flight Radio > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> > > Morning Gang: > > Almost forgot. > > I'll be on the Ultra Flight Radio Show this morning at 1020 Central > Time. We'll be talking about my flight to Alaska this year. > > To listen to the radio, go to: > > http://www.ultraflightradio.com/ > > At the upper left hand corner of the opening page, click on "Listen > Live". > > They have a toll free telephone number to call in and ask questions > live: > > (888) 514-2100 > > This will be my first introduction to Ultra Flight Radio. I haven't > listened to it before. > > So, if you have any questions, call in and ask. > > Take care, > > john h > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > >


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    Time: 09:46:31 AM PST US
    From: William George <wgeorge@mountainmeadowranch.com>
    Subject: Re: Alaska 2004 Part IV
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: William George <wgeorge@mountainmeadowranch.com> Aloha John, Thanks so much for posting the pix. Like all of the other Kolbers I have been checking them out and enjoying them very much. They are way too good to be posted one by one. We need to find a way that folks can browse through them. There are very simple web generation programs that will produce one or more index pages which will display thumbnails and link to the larger images. Once the site is automatically generated then one can upload it to the free space provided by most ISPs. Another route would be to upload them to one of the free gallery sites. There you can create galleries for each segment of the trip. My favorite is pBase. They will give you quite a bit of free bandwidth and if you need more it starts at $20 per year. I have no affiliation with pBase other than hosting a few of my own photos there. Check it out 'cause I need to see more of your trip ;-) Here's mine: http://www.pbase.com/wgeorge Bill George Hawaii Kolb Mk-3 Verner 1400 Powerfin On Sep 6, 2004, at 8:56 PM, Kolb-List Digest Server wrote: > Hi All: > > Happy Labor Day. Wind blowing like crazy, torrential rains only > minutes or hours away. Good time to get another part of my Alaska > Flight Pics on line.


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    Time: 09:50:21 AM PST US
    From: "Kelvin Kurkowski" <kkurkow@chase3000.com>
    Subject: Re: Ultra Flight Radio
    (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kelvin Kurkowski" <kkurkow@chase3000.com> John, I happened to be at the desk this morning and was able to "listen in" on your interview. Very nice job, almost as good as your flying pictures. hehe Great "plugs" for the Kolb design and for the aircrafts ability to "travel" with a bit of common sense in the cockpit. I have really enjoyed your pics, and keep telling myself that I will see some of that scenery myself someday. Thanks again for taking us all along. Kelvin K do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Subject: Kolb-List: Ultra Flight Radio > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> > > Morning Gang: > > Almost forgot. > > I'll be on the Ultra Flight Radio Show this morning at 1020 Central > Time. We'll be talking about my flight to Alaska this year. > > To listen to the radio, go to: > > http://www.ultraflightradio.com/ > > At the upper left hand corner of the opening page, click on "Listen > Live". > > They have a toll free telephone number to call in and ask questions > live: > > (888) 514-2100 > > This will be my first introduction to Ultra Flight Radio. I haven't > listened to it before. > > So, if you have any questions, call in and ask. > > Take care, > > john h > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > >


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    Time: 10:30:49 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Alaska 2004 Part IV
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> | have been checking them out and enjoying them very much. They are way | too good to be posted one by one. | Bill George Hi Bill G/Gang: Glad you enjoyED the pics. Sorry I do not have a nice web page to display all this stuff, but it is in the mill as I type. George Alexander has been after me for years to do a web site to share my 20 years of flying Kolb aircraft. I finally got around to deciding this would be a good idea. For the computer challenged, like myself, anything that has to do with pictures, web pages, etc., is extremely time consuming. George is in the process of relocating to Florida. He has graciously offered to do a web page for me. I am extremely grateful for his generous offer. The world did not stop the 48 days I was away from hauck's holler, and it is still hauling buggy as I type. I live alone, therefore have all the chores to do, both inside and outside. After airplanes and dirt bikes, there isn't much time for running the vacuum, much less sitting at the computer all day playing with pictures. I'll try to do better as soon as I get a raise (been living off Army retirement for 24 years). john h DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 12:37:09 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
    Subject: Re: Wings painted
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net> Giovanni Good for you. What color did you paint it? I still have the fuselage cage to cover and then start the poly process on all the fabric. I may be in the air by the New Year. Jim Ballenger Flying a FS KXP 447 Building a MK III X Virginia Beach, VA DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net> Subject: Kolb-List: Wings painted > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net> > > Kolb fliers, > > > Just finished shooting the last wing. I have not striped them but that > will wait till winter as time is limited and I want to get to fly some > before it gets to cold. Now for the WT and balance. Feels good to have > all the hard stuff done. Hope to have her flying in a week or two. > > Giovanni > MKIII/912 80566 Almost done!! > > Do not archive > >


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    Time: 12:46:28 PM PST US
    From: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Lift and Jury Struts
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk> Hi John, I agree and we looked into that, The PFA do not like change and there would be more pieces to play with when rigging and derigging and damage. I sure wish we had an experimental catagory over here. Kiwi ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Subject: Kolb-List: Lift and Jury Struts > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> > > | Hi John, no jury struts, as on round tube in neg load they can bow > forward > on the > forward or > > Hi Mike/Gang: > > Jury struts work on this side of the pond, on round struts too. Use > two struts per lift strut. Attach from lift strut to a fore and an > aft position. Seems this would take care of up and down, as well as > fore and aft. > > BTW: I changed the subject line. > > john h > >


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    Time: 02:38:51 PM PST US
    From: "Randy Bortree" <plane@rtmc.net>
    Subject: Re: Hurricane Frances gone
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Randy Bortree" <plane@rtmc.net> Any Kolbers in Florida need a cheap motor home with generator, 1978 champion, 5.000.00 delivered 36,000 miles very good for emergency housing. self contained. Randy 336-465-1059 ----- Original Message ----- From: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com> Subject: Kolb-List: Hurricane Frances gone > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com> > > Ed Diebel et al, > > Frances has passed over us with no problems. Even my empty FireFly trailer stayed right side up and unharmed. We had minor damage on some property we have on the Gulf but nothing serious. Thanks for the good wishes. I sure hope the Kolbers down South did as well. > > Ivan, please break up! > > My question now is what will they do when they run out of hurricane names when they get to Zelda? Will they use numbers or start again with Albert? > > do not archive > >


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    Time: 03:29:02 PM PST US
    From: "Dan Cooper" <kcooper@ptd.net>
    Subject: Alaska 2004 Part IV
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Cooper" <kcooper@ptd.net> John, Those are awsome pictures! To think I was afraid to fly over a patch of trees for fear of my 377 quitting. Now I know why you fly a TwinStar...an extra seat for your canolis. Fly high and take lots of pictures... Dan Cooper (Chronic SS builder) DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 05:49:45 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Alaska 2004 Part IV
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> 377 quitting. | Dan Cooper Dan/Gang: When I was flying my 447, I didn't fly over trees either. john h DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 07:15:37 PM PST US
    From: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Report from North Florida
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net> Hello All, Ocala escaped another direct blow, but took a battering none the less. Still no electricity (estimates are it will be another week), but phone came on tonite. Propane RV refrig & generator is keeping things tolerable. George made it to FL with his FS on an open trailer from OH, came right thru the last of Francis. His trailer was on one wheel during the gusts. I say if he was a real Kolb pilot, he would of unloaded it, detoured into the eye, took some neat pictures & showed us what the real envelope of our machines are. .... Richard Swiderski Do not archive


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    Time: 08:03:34 PM PST US
    From: al bumhoffer <abumhoffer@yahoo.com>
    Subject: 1st Flight
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: al bumhoffer <abumhoffer@yahoo.com> Tonight at 5 pm, I finally flew my Firestar II for the first time after 4 years of building in my spare time. I have flown 6 different ultralights over a 20 year period, but had not flown for about a year and a half.I did some taxiing to get use to the ground handling, and took off when I felt comfortable. I did 2 landings; the 1st at a longer runway of about 1200 ft and my last back at our home strip of 700 ft. I'm very pleased with the handling and love the view. My thanks to all on the list. I have not posted much, but have learned a lot from those who have. Al Bumhoffer, Elkton MI, Firestar II, Flying Do Not Archive __________________________________


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    Time: 08:42:43 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
    Subject: Re: 1st Flight
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com> Good for you, Al. Sounds like you went about it right. Enjoy your new toy. Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "al bumhoffer" <abumhoffer@yahoo.com> Subject: Kolb-List: 1st Flight > --> Kolb-List message posted by: al bumhoffer <abumhoffer@yahoo.com> > > Tonight at 5 pm, I finally flew my Firestar II for the > first time after 4 years of building in my spare time. > I have flown 6 different ultralights over a 20 year > period, but had not flown for about a year and a > half.I did some taxiing to get use to the ground > handling, and took off when I felt comfortable. I did > 2 landings; the 1st at a longer runway of about 1200 > ft and my last back at our home strip of 700 ft. I'm > very pleased with the handling and love the view. My > thanks to all on the list. I have not posted much, > but have learned a lot from those who have. > > Al Bumhoffer, Elkton MI, Firestar II, Flying > > Do Not Archive > > > __________________________________ > >


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    Time: 09:16:20 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: 1st Flight
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> | first time after 4 years of building in my spare time. Hi Al/Gang: Congratulations!!! Got to be a super good feeling!!! john h DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    From: "Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: 1st Flight
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com> Congratulations, Al! You picked a nice day for it. Let us know how the flights are going! Ed in JXN MkII/503 Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "al bumhoffer" <abumhoffer@yahoo.com> Subject: Kolb-List: 1st Flight > --> Kolb-List message posted by: al bumhoffer <abumhoffer@yahoo.com> > > Tonight at 5 pm, I finally flew my Firestar II for the > first time after 4 years of building in my spare time. > I have flown 6 different ultralights over a 20 year > period, but had not flown for about a year and a > half.I did some taxiing to get use to the ground > handling, and took off when I felt comfortable. I did > 2 landings; the 1st at a longer runway of about 1200 > ft and my last back at our home strip of 700 ft. I'm > very pleased with the handling and love the view. My > thanks to all on the list. I have not posted much, > but have learned a lot from those who have. > > Al Bumhoffer, Elkton MI, Firestar II, Flying > > Do Not Archive




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