---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/10/04: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:29 AM - Really really Ultra Light (not Kolb) (Thom Riddle) 2. 04:47 AM - Re: Re: Frances, er....Ivan....Here we go again (GeoR38@aol.com) 3. 05:09 AM - Outrageous anti-aviation proposal (Thom Riddle) 4. 05:42 AM - Re: Re: Frances, er....Ivan....Here we go again (N27SB@aol.com) 5. 05:45 AM - Re: Re: Frances, er....Ivan....Here we go again (N27SB@aol.com) 6. 07:02 AM - Re: Outrageous anti-aviation proposal (bryan green) 7. 08:46 AM - Re: Outrageous anti-aviation proposal (Dave & Eve Pelletier) 8. 11:06 AM - Who? (Paul Petty) 9. 11:42 AM - Re: Who? (John Hauck) 10. 11:44 AM - Re: Who? (N27SB@aol.com) 11. 02:07 PM - Wrong W/B (Mike Pierzina) 12. 04:08 PM - Nailed Down in Tampa (Beauford) 13. 06:05 PM - Re: Nailed Down in Tampa (N27SB@aol.com) 14. 07:16 PM - We don't need no stinking Hurricanes (Denny Rowe) 15. 07:27 PM - Re: We don't need no stinking Hurricanes (bryan green) 16. 07:34 PM - Looong flight (kfackler) 17. 07:47 PM - Re: Looong flight (John Williamson) 18. 08:14 PM - Re: Looong flight (John Hauck) 19. 08:25 PM - Re: Nailed Down in Tampa (GeoR38@aol.com) 20. 09:22 PM - Re: Wrong W/B (James and Cathy Tripp) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:33 AM PST US From: "Thom Riddle" Subject: Kolb-List: Really really Ultra Light (not Kolb) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" For those of you near your first flight and those who appreciate truly Ultra Light Flying take a peak at this NOT KOLB RELATED link. This is the neatest thing I've seen in quite awhile! (I'm glad she put that toothpick there for perspective in that one shot. Imagine, that teeny nest, only 1.5 inches in diameter!) This is truly amazing! Be sure to click on NEXT PAGE at the bottom of each page...there are four pages. This lady found a hummingbird nest and got pictures all the way from the egg to leaving the nest. Took 24 days from birth to flight. go to this web site: http://community-2.webtv.net/hotmail.com/verle33/HummingBirdNest/ Thom do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:13 AM PST US From: GeoR38@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Frances, er....Ivan....Here we go again --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com In a message dated 9/3/04 10:20:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, N27SB@aol.com writes: It Looks like more Kolbs are in threat in FLA. Hurricanes seem to hate Kolb airplanes so hide em for the next couple of days, Better yet, maybe some of you guys in Ohio can flaunt yours and try to throw Frances off. Good luck every one in Fla. Steve Boetto WHEW! I made it to Richard Swiderski's house and .......do I finally feel safe with my wonderful firestar "by George!" NO...I repeat...NO.....Ivan is coming and I just brought by George down THROUGH Frances!! God is throwing Scud hurricanes at us!! One guy on the way down decided that HE is upset with the queers!!! Well, everyone has an opinion.But I must say, I am happy to be at least this far....still haven't gotten battened down for the latest threat though. In helping Rich a bit yesterday as we worked on his garage in the sweltering ....HUMIDITY OF 100%....he allowed the slanderous "geeez, this is really hard" to escape from his personage. Now when the Swiderskiman shows that much emotion....you KNOW things must be bad!! Even though Frances blew hard enough to raise one of my trailer wheels clear off the ground on the way down here on RT 95 near Jacksonville (no where near the eye!!!!!!) everything is kinda under control now. ....and I just used "stretchwrap, not shrinkwrap" on the plane. Will be going over the puppy after Ivan to assure every rivet and brace is still intact. For those who offered advice and assistance on this trip, I thank you sincerely. George Randolph Firestar driver from.......THE VILLAGES!!!! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:19 AM PST US From: "Thom Riddle" Subject: Kolb-List: Outrageous anti-aviation proposal --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" Fellow Flyers: There is an outrageous proposal in the House of Representatives (H.R. 5035) sponsored by Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) that would require the Department of Homeland Security to create a method of screening all passengers and property on each flight of all passenger aircraft in the U.S., including general aviation aircraft of all types. It would also prohibit any non-airline aircraft from flying within 1,500 feet of any structure or building, and prohibit non-airline aircraft from flying over any U.S. city with a population of 1 million or more. It would further require that pilots of all aircraft in U.S. airspace remain in contact with the Federal Aviation Administration, presumably by radio, regardless of altitude or location. See http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/pr/040909_weiner.html for more info on this. PLEASE write your congressman and help defeat this stupid proposal. You can find your congressman here http://www.house.gov/ by providing your zip+4. If you don't know your +4, you can find it here. http://zip4.usps.com/zip4/welcome.htm Thom do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:42 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Frances, er....Ivan....Here we go again --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com George, I can speak from a bit of experiance after riding 2 of these monsters out from the middle of the state(like you are now). All humor aside, we had very little in the way of structural damage, UNLESS you had a tree fall on you. The large amount of mature trees inland really buffer the wind and keep it off the ground. The trees really help if you have them, But alot of them blow over. When they do they crush everything. Also, study the storm as it approaches, all of our heavy winds came from between the East and the NE. The only way to get wind from the south is if it skins by you on the west(This can be really bad). Get a generator if you can and store as much fuel as possible. Fuel ran out here both times for days. WE had sustained wind from charles of 100mph for 20 min. and sustained winds from frances of 65 mph for 18 hrs. Sitting on my porch that faced west I could bbq chicken and drink beer with only a light breeze. and remember, HERicanes are meaner than HIMacanes. that was a joke. Be careful and good luck Steve Boetto ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:40 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Frances, er....Ivan....Here we go again --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com Sorry, forgot the do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:25 AM PST US From: "bryan green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Outrageous anti-aviation proposal --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" I just finished e-mailing my congressman and urge you all to do the same. Bryan Green (Elgin SC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Riddle" Subject: Kolb-List: Outrageous anti-aviation proposal > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" > > Fellow Flyers: > > There is an outrageous proposal in the House of Representatives (H.R. 5035) sponsored by Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) that would require the Department of Homeland Security to create a method of screening all passengers and property on each flight of all passenger aircraft in the U.S., including general aviation aircraft of all types. It would also prohibit any non-airline aircraft from flying within 1,500 feet of any structure or building, and prohibit non-airline aircraft from flying over any U.S. city with a population of 1 million or more. It would further require that pilots of all aircraft in U.S. airspace remain in contact with the Federal Aviation Administration, presumably by radio, regardless of altitude or location. > > See http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/pr/040909_weiner.html for more info on this. > > PLEASE write your congressman and help defeat this stupid proposal. > > You can find your congressman here http://www.house.gov/ by providing your zip+4. > If you don't know your +4, you can find it here. http://zip4.usps.com/zip4/welcome.htm > > Thom > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:46:41 AM PST US From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Outrageous anti-aviation proposal --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Done! AzDave Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Riddle" Subject: Kolb-List: Outrageous anti-aviation proposal > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" > > Fellow Flyers: > > There is an outrageous proposal in the House of Representatives (H.R. 5035) sponsored by Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) that would require the Department of Homeland Security to create a method of screening all passengers and property on each flight of all passenger aircraft in the U.S., including general aviation aircraft of all types. It would also prohibit any non-airline aircraft from flying within 1,500 feet of any structure or building, and prohibit non-airline aircraft from flying over any U.S. city with a population of 1 million or more. It would further require that pilots of all aircraft in U.S. airspace remain in contact with the Federal Aviation Administration, presumably by radio, regardless of altitude or location. > > See http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/pr/040909_weiner.html for more info on this. > > PLEASE write your congressman and help defeat this stupid proposal. > > You can find your congressman here http://www.house.gov/ by providing your zip+4. > If you don't know your +4, you can find it here. http://zip4.usps.com/zip4/welcome.htm > > Thom > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:06:16 AM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: Who? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Hi Kolbers, Anyone know who that is in the September issue of "Sport Pilot" magazine? Paul Petty Building Ms. Dixie Kolbra/912UL/Warp www.c-gate.net/~ppetty do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:42:46 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Who? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" magazine? | | Paul Petty Paul/All: Well..............that depends on which "who" you are referring to. If it is the yellow FS II, that is Dick Rahill in the factory FS II. john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:23 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Who? --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com Sure looks like Rayhill. Steve B donotarchive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:07:02 PM PST US From: "Mike Pierzina" Subject: Kolb-List: Wrong W/B --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" Hi Guys, Does anybody know what the inches from CG fore and aft on a Firestar II ??? Seems the formula that they give you with the prints is only good for wasting hour on different scenarios....which I've done....Now I'd like to calculate something that the FAA can actually use...I've got their formula but I can't find where the inch limits are.... Gotta Fly... Mike in MN do not archive My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... Gotta Fly... -- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:21 PM PST US From: "Beauford" Subject: Kolb-List: Nailed Down in Tampa --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" Kolbers: Spent yet another delightful day at the airstrip burying auger anchors, putting additional mobile home straps over the top of the trailer and readjusting the interior straps on the Fly... Now have three steel bands over the top plus one 4 foot auger anchor chained at each corner of the chassis... Back is out, hands are 'et up (as they say in South Georgia), I'm sunburned to a crisp, and I think I cracked a rib picking up concrete blocks while leaning over against the edge of a sheet of plywood... I quit. If Ivan wants that dumb little airplane that bad, let him have it... if I can find enough of the pieces afterwards, I'll use em to build a rocking chair and a still... After the final shovel drill with the anchors, remained conscious just long enough to take a couple of snapshots of how the trailer and Fly are secured.... These will be the "before" shots just in case... Have sent a few of 'em in to be posted to photoshare if anyone is curious. Florida sure is growin' on me... Do Not Archive Beauford FF#076 Brandon, FL ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:43 PM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Nailed Down in Tampa --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com I feel like you sound, Gottaluvit Steve B ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:20 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Kolb-List: We don't need no stinking Hurricanes --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" Wow, what a crazy week this has been. Started out by having to bring the Mk-3 home from the airport as my friend Earl whos hanger I have been keeping it in has finished the repairs on his Baby Ace and needed the space my bird was occuping. Flew home and circled my box canyon style 500 ft runway I had not yet landed on, lined up on final a little too high and managed to get stopped just one foot shy of a tree, WHOEE! Tied her down a couple days as the weather was the best it's been all year. Headed out last Saturday to pick up a friend so he could get aerial photos of his Corn Maze on his farm. Landed on his 500 ft field, hot muggy somewhat rough field that had a bigger up hill field on the departure end with waist deep Ragweed. Should have never tried flying dual out of there, but I did. Broke ground and found that the Ragweed went up hill faster than my loaded Kolb. Lucky for me, Homer builds some tough birds. Drug it backward 200 feet out of the weeds and after going back in to retreive a pop out Lexan vent that the weeds had yanked loose, we found the only damage was a couple small tears in the belly of the fuselage and my ACS pitot static tube. After the best preflight I have ever done, I departed (solo this time) for another friends (Real) private strip that borders on the Seele City National motocross track in Delmont, PA. There we gave my bird a bath and vaccumed out the Ragweed, than watched Jeremy McGrath and the rest of the worlds best MXers practice for Sundays race. The track officials took exception to my flying final over the parking area until we explained that we were totally within the law at this licenced airfield. Took a couple folks for rides while there and put a dogleg in my final approachs to put us behind a tree line and avoid flying over the track grounds. (Doesn't hurt to go the extra mile to keep good relations with neighbors) Also performed my first loop while there. (Of course it was with a neat little RC trainer that the owner was generous enough to let me try) You should have seen Lindas face when I ran that one by her! :-) Flew home, landed without incident this time at Rowe International, folded the bird up and put her in the garage as Francis was on it's way. Enjoyed the race Sunday after church. Than today while clearing woods behind my house, I managed to hack my leg above the left knee with the Husqvarna chainsaw. (Lucky I didn't skip church before the races), didn't cut any vitals. Seventeen BIG stitches later, (six inside, and 11 outside), a shot of antibiotic in the rear-end that hurt worse than the chainsaw, two Vicodin, two Coors Lights and I am one thankful bugger tonight. Will be out of comission for 5-6 weeks Bottom line, my Kolbing is pretty much done for the year, anyone I had hoped to visit, (sorry Jay Carter) will have to go on hold till Spring. The way things are going, it's probably for the best. Denny Rowe Taking some deep breaths in Western PA do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:06 PM PST US From: "bryan green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: We don't need no stinking Hurricanes --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" Sorry to hear about your misfortune Denny but glad to know your ok. Stay away from anything with moving parts for the next few weeks. Do not archive. Bryan Green (Elgin SC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Kolb-List: We don't need no stinking Hurricanes > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" > > Wow, what a crazy week this has been. > Started out by having to bring the Mk-3 home from the airport as my friend Earl whos hanger I have been keeping it in has finished the repairs on his Baby Ace and needed the space my bird was occuping. > Flew home and circled my box canyon style 500 ft runway I had not yet landed on, lined up on final a little too high and managed to get stopped just one foot shy of a tree, WHOEE! > Tied her down a couple days as the weather was the best it's been all year. > Headed out last Saturday to pick up a friend so he could get aerial photos of his Corn Maze on his farm. Landed on his 500 ft field, hot muggy somewhat rough field that had a bigger up hill field on the departure end with waist deep Ragweed. Should have never tried flying dual out of there, but I did. Broke ground and found that the Ragweed went up hill faster than my loaded Kolb. > Lucky for me, Homer builds some tough birds. Drug it backward 200 feet out of the weeds and after going back in to retreive a pop out Lexan vent that the weeds had yanked loose, we found the only damage was a couple small tears in the belly of the fuselage and my ACS pitot static tube. > After the best preflight I have ever done, I departed (solo this time) for another friends (Real) private strip that borders on the Seele City National motocross track in Delmont, PA. > There we gave my bird a bath and vaccumed out the Ragweed, than watched Jeremy McGrath and the rest of the worlds best MXers practice for Sundays race. > The track officials took exception to my flying final over the parking area until we explained that we were totally within the law at this licenced airfield. Took a couple folks for rides while there and put a dogleg in my final approachs to put us behind a tree line and avoid flying over the track grounds. (Doesn't hurt to go the extra mile to keep good relations with neighbors) > Also performed my first loop while there. (Of course it was with a neat little RC trainer that the owner was generous enough to let me try) You should have seen Lindas face when I ran that one by her! :-) > Flew home, landed without incident this time at Rowe International, folded the bird up and put her in the garage as Francis was on it's way. > Enjoyed the race Sunday after church. > Than today while clearing woods behind my house, I managed to hack my leg above the left knee with the Husqvarna chainsaw. (Lucky I didn't skip church before the races), didn't cut any vitals. Seventeen BIG stitches later, (six inside, and 11 outside), a shot of antibiotic in the rear-end that hurt worse than the chainsaw, two Vicodin, two Coors Lights and I am one thankful bugger tonight. Will be out of comission for 5-6 weeks > Bottom line, my Kolbing is pretty much done for the year, anyone I had hoped to visit, (sorry Jay Carter) will have to go on hold till Spring. The way things are going, it's probably for the best. > > Denny Rowe > Taking some deep breaths in Western PA > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:02 PM PST US From: "kfackler" Subject: Kolb-List: Looong flight --> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" While I realize this doesn't compare with the kind of journeys taken by Brother Hauck, Brother Willamson, and others, nevertheless this was a day that involved a personal best for me, to wit: 8.2 hours on the Kolb Mark II 406 miles flown -Ken Fackler Kolb Mark II / A722KWF Rochester MI ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:22 PM PST US From: "John Williamson" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Looong flight --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" Hey Ken, Eight hours in any airplane in one day is a very large accomplishment! >8.2 hours on the Kolb Mark II )406 miles flown >-Ken Fackler >Kolb Mark II / A722KWF >Rochester MI I just hope you had a lot of fun. Brother Williamson ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:18 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Looong flight --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" accomplishment! Hi Ken/All: I'll add my amen to the above! john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:39 PM PST US From: GeoR38@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Nailed Down in Tampa --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com In a message dated 9/10/04 7:09:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, beauford@tampabay.rr.com writes: I quit. If Ivan wants that dumb little airplane that bad, let him have it... if I can find enough of the pieces afterwards, I'll use em to build a rocking chair and a still... After the final shovel drill with the anchors, remained conscious just long enough to take a couple of snapshots of how the trailer and Fly are secured.... These will be the "before" shots just in case... Have sent a few of 'em in to be posted to photoshare if anyone is curious. Florida sure is growin' on me... Do Not Archive Beauford FF#076 Brandon, FL Beaufordman!!! PLEEEEEZ don't sho me your mortality....you are one of my yourng heros!! I am in the process of working with the Swiderskiman to beef up some place on his castle to store my airplane that I towed down here from Ohio THROUGH Frances......I can hardly believe I lived through that. I've never lived through a hurricane before .....but I appall myself...because I can hardly believe that I am that dumb. Well, I'll just blame it on my bride. The pain of paradise..... yer bud George Randolph Firestar drive in THe Villages, Fl ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:49 PM PST US From: "James and Cathy Tripp" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wrong W/B --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp" Mike, I'll send you (direct) what I used for my FS II that made the inspector happy. The only question he asked was "is what you have here within the manufacturer's limits?" And my answer was of course yes even though my CG was at the aft limit or even a little beyond. It flies good though. James Tripp, FS II, 36 hours DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pierzina" Subject: Kolb-List: Wrong W/B > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" > > Hi Guys, > > Does anybody know what the inches from CG fore and aft on a Firestar II ??? > > Seems the formula that they give you with the prints is only good for wasting hour on different scenarios....which I've done....Now I'd like to calculate something that the FAA can actually use...I've got their formula but I can't find where the inch limits are.... > > Gotta Fly... > Mike in MN > do not archive > > > My Web Site: > http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html > > > Sometimes you just have to take the leap > and build your wings on the way down... > Gotta Fly... > > > -- > >