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1. 02:53 AM - Re: We don't need no stinking Hurricanes (Jim Ballenger)
2. 05:30 AM - Re: Looong flight (Denny Rowe)
3. 06:40 AM - Wrong W/B (Mike Pierzina)
4. 07:36 AM - Re: Wrong W/B (Giovanni Day)
5. 07:36 AM - Re: Looong flight (Doug Wetzel)
6. 08:02 AM - Re: Wrong W/B (Richard Pike)
7. 08:22 AM - Re: Looong flight (John Hauck)
8. 09:06 AM - Re: (James and Cathy Tripp)
9. 09:31 AM - Re: Looong flight (Doug Wetzel)
10. 11:08 AM - W/B - Percent and inches (Mike Pierzina)
11. 11:20 AM - Re: Looong flight (kfackler)
12. 12:56 PM - Re: Looong flight (Thom Riddle)
13. 01:39 PM - Aileron Counterbalance Tube (Wayne F.Wilson)
14. 05:41 PM - [ Beauford Tuton ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
15. 06:33 PM - Check you aileron balances (woody)
16. 06:48 PM - Re: [ Beauford Tuton ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Denny Rowe)
17. 06:59 PM - Re: Check you aileron balances (Denny Rowe)
18. 07:12 PM - N62BW made it to it's new home (Rusty)
19. 08:30 PM - Re: N62BW made it to it's new home (John Hauck)
20. 08:40 PM - Temper Foam (John Hauck)
21. 09:57 PM - Re: Temper Foam (Bruce McElhoe)
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| Subject: | Re: We don't need no stinking Hurricanes |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Denny
Sorry to hear about your week. Hope you got all your bad luck out of the way
for a while.
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: We don't need no stinking Hurricanes
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
> Wow, what a crazy week this has been.
> Started out by having to bring the Mk-3 home from the airport as my friend
Earl whos hanger I have been keeping it in has finished the repairs on his
Baby Ace and needed the space my bird was occuping.
> Flew home and circled my box canyon style 500 ft runway I had not yet
landed on, lined up on final a little too high and managed to get stopped
just one foot shy of a tree, WHOEE!
> Tied her down a couple days as the weather was the best it's been all
year.
> Headed out last Saturday to pick up a friend so he could get aerial photos
of his Corn Maze on his farm. Landed on his 500 ft field, hot muggy somewhat
rough field that had a bigger up hill field on the departure end with waist
deep Ragweed. Should have never tried flying dual out of there, but I did.
Broke ground and found that the Ragweed went up hill faster than my loaded
Kolb.
> Lucky for me, Homer builds some tough birds. Drug it backward 200 feet
out of the weeds and after going back in to retreive a pop out Lexan vent
that the weeds had yanked loose, we found the only damage was a couple small
tears in the belly of the fuselage and my ACS pitot static tube.
> After the best preflight I have ever done, I departed (solo this time) for
another friends (Real) private strip that borders on the Seele City National
motocross track in Delmont, PA.
> There we gave my bird a bath and vaccumed out the Ragweed, than watched
Jeremy McGrath and the rest of the worlds best MXers practice for Sundays
race.
> The track officials took exception to my flying final over the parking
area until we explained that we were totally within the law at this licenced
airfield. Took a couple folks for rides while there and put a dogleg in my
final approachs to put us behind a tree line and avoid flying over the track
grounds. (Doesn't hurt to go the extra mile to keep good relations with
neighbors)
> Also performed my first loop while there. (Of course it was with a neat
little RC trainer that the owner was generous enough to let me try) You
should have seen Lindas face when I ran that one by her! :-)
> Flew home, landed without incident this time at Rowe International, folded
the bird up and put her in the garage as Francis was on it's way.
> Enjoyed the race Sunday after church.
> Than today while clearing woods behind my house, I managed to hack my leg
above the left knee with the Husqvarna chainsaw. (Lucky I didn't skip church
before the races), didn't cut any vitals. Seventeen BIG stitches later,
(six inside, and 11 outside), a shot of antibiotic in the rear-end that hurt
worse than the chainsaw, two Vicodin, two Coors Lights and I am one thankful
bugger tonight. Will be out of comission for 5-6 weeks
> Bottom line, my Kolbing is pretty much done for the year, anyone I had
hoped to visit, (sorry Jay Carter) will have to go on hold till Spring. The
way things are going, it's probably for the best.
>
> Denny Rowe
> Taking some deep breaths in Western PA
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looong flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
> 8.2 hours on the Kolb Mark II
> 406 miles flown
>
> -Ken Fackler
> Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
> Rochester MI
>
> All that in one day! That is Great!
Congrats Ken.
Denny Rowe
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Thanks James,
Now I can try to make sense of these numbers...
I noticed a difference in some of our measurements... I have 6" to the mains
- yours was 7" and I had 32" to the tank - yours was 33"
Sounds like AOA ?
I used the gross weight of 860 lbs....Are you just saying the gross weight is
1000 lbs because your the builder or was that a number from Kolb?
Well, Thanks for the info , I had to send it thru my Yahoo e-mail to open
it...Those are some nice forms.
Gotta Study,
Mike in MN
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp" <jtripp@elmore.rr.com>
Mike,
I'll send you (direct) what I used for my FS II that made the inspector
happy. The only question he asked was "is what you have here within the
manufacturer's limits?" And my answer was of course yes even though my CG
was at the aft limit or even a little beyond. It flies good though.
James Tripp, FS II, 36 hours
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Wrong W/B
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
James,
I just purchased Ron P's FSII. Can you send me(direct) what you used for
your FS II that made the inspector happy. Thanks a million.
Giovanni
MKIII/912 80566
and FSII wings need covering. (Not again!!)
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James and
Cathy Tripp
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wrong W/B
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp"
--> <jtripp@elmore.rr.com>
Mike,
I'll send you (direct) what I used for my FS II that made the inspector
happy. The only question he asked was "is what you have here within the
manufacturer's limits?" And my answer was of course yes even though my
CG was at the aft limit or even a little beyond. It flies good though.
James Tripp, FS II, 36 hours
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Doug Wetzel" <dougwe@comcast.net>
This lurker wants to know how you loooong fligh guys manage to sit
comfortably for all that time!
Doug
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
James, would you Cc me the same data, our FSII is getting close to assembly.
Thanks,
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard@bcchapel.org
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At 09:35 AM 9/11/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
>
>James,
>
>I just purchased Ron P's FSII. Can you send me(direct) what you used for
>your FS II that made the inspector happy. Thanks a million.
>
>Giovanni
>MKIII/912 80566
>and FSII wings need covering. (Not again!!)
>
>Do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James and
>Cathy Tripp
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wrong W/B
>
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp"
>--> <jtripp@elmore.rr.com>
>
>Mike,
>I'll send you (direct) what I used for my FS II that made the inspector
>happy. The only question he asked was "is what you have here within the
>manufacturer's limits?" And my answer was of course yes even though my
>CG was at the aft limit or even a little beyond. It flies good though.
>
>James Tripp, FS II, 36 hours
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looong flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| comfortably for all that time!
|
Hi Doug/All:
There are a couple ways I do it.
1. Temper Foam. Before temper foam, my butt would begin to cramp
around 30 minutes. Since temper foam, I am good to go. Never get
butt cramps, except when the temper foam finally gives up, which was
around 10 years and 2,000 hours.
2. Short flight legs. Normally I fly an hour or two. To me, a cross
country flight is as much meeting folks on the ground as it is boring
holes in the sky. The more I land the more people I get to meet and
interact with. I have a little black book filled with names from all
over the Lower 48, Canada, and Alaska. Most of these folks were meet
through flying my little airplanes.
3. I am not going to say I am 100% comfortable sitting in a tiny
cockpit all day long. I do get uncomfortable at times. I take
Celebrex for the artheritis, and when knees and other parts begin to
ache, I take a hand full of ibuprophen.
4. Flying in areas that are beautiful and exciting, one tends to
forget about the aches and pains. I must admit, there are more aches
and pains at 65 than there were back when I started playing with these
things.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp" <jtripp@elmore.rr.com>
Mike,
I have John Jung to thank for the spreadsheet. It made the calculations go
very quickly as you've probably already noticed. I adjusted the numbers to
fit my FS. My landing gear stick out a bit longer because they only go into
the gear sockets about 8" so that probably accounts for the 7" from the LE.
For the tank measurement, I measured to the gap between the 2 tanks. The
tail wheel measurement may be a little different too as I cut 4 or 5" off
the tailwheel rod (suggested by John Hauck). You're right about the gross
weight, I used 1,000 pounds for several reasons. One being I'm the builder
and that's what I wanted it to be so there wouldn't be any chance of flying
over gross (also suggested by JH). Another reason was my empty weight
without pilot and fuel was 445 pounds or so and if I used TNKs numbers, I
think my max passenger weight would have been about 30 pounds. It's suppose
to be a 2 person airplane right?Another reason was that I added angled
aluminum to all the ribs for additional strength and figured TNKs numbers
were very conservative anyway. I must say though, I was surprised by the
empty weight and also by the aft CG. JH assured me it wouldn't be a problem
flying and he was right. It flies great. I have to hold a little forward
pressure on the stick to keep it from climbing during cruise. I haven't
worked out a trim system yet. I have no trim tabs on the rudder or elevator
and I don't think I'll need them. I might hook up a bungee to the control
stick to hold the down pressure but right now, I'm content with letting the
stick rest between my thumb and index finger. I can fly hands off if I back
off the throttle a bit more. Stalls are very gentle. Yesterday, I thought I
would just let go of the stick to see what happens. It went into a climb,
the AS bleed off, plane stalled, nose dropped slightly, picked up AS,
climbed again, stalled again, and repeated the cycle. I didn't have to do
anything to recover from the stalls. I've gone on enough. Good luck with
your inspection. If you have any more questions, let me know.
James, FS II, 36 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
>
> Thanks James,
>
> Now I can try to make sense of these numbers...
>
> I noticed a difference in some of our measurements... I have 6" to the
mains - yours was 7" and I had 32" to the tank - yours was 33"
> Sounds like AOA ?
> I used the gross weight of 860 lbs....Are you just saying the gross
weight is 1000 lbs because your the builder or was that a number from Kolb?
> Well, Thanks for the info , I had to send it thru my Yahoo e-mail to
open it...Those are some nice forms.
>
> Gotta Study,
> Mike in MN
>
> do not archive
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James and Cathy Tripp"
<jtripp@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Mike,
> I'll send you (direct) what I used for my FS II that made the inspector
> happy. The only question he asked was "is what you have here within the
> manufacturer's limits?" And my answer was of course yes even though my CG
> was at the aft limit or even a little beyond. It flies good though.
>
> James Tripp, FS II, 36 hours
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
> To: "Kolb-List" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Wrong W/B
>
>
> --
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Doug Wetzel" <dougwe@comcast.net>
Thanks for the info, John...if I can ever get my XYL to stop spending my
airplane money, I'll take that advice to heart when I start construction. I
totally agree with #2,3, and 4!
Caught your interview on Ultraflight Radio last week, and love those PIX! I
live in Salt Lake City and have threatened for the past couple of years to
at least drive down to MV to meet you when you all go down there, but
scheduling problems have prevented it so far.
Fly safe
Doug
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Hauck
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Looong flight
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| comfortably for all that time!
|
Hi Doug/All:
There are a couple ways I do it.
1. Temper Foam. Before temper foam, my butt would begin to cramp
around 30 minutes. Since temper foam, I am good to go. Never get
butt cramps, except when the temper foam finally gives up, which was
around 10 years and 2,000 hours.
2. Short flight legs. Normally I fly an hour or two. To me, a cross
country flight is as much meeting folks on the ground as it is boring
holes in the sky. The more I land the more people I get to meet and
interact with. I have a little black book filled with names from all
over the Lower 48, Canada, and Alaska. Most of these folks were meet
through flying my little airplanes.
3. I am not going to say I am 100% comfortable sitting in a tiny
cockpit all day long. I do get uncomfortable at times. I take
Celebrex for the artheritis, and when knees and other parts begin to
ache, I take a hand full of ibuprophen.
4. Flying in areas that are beautiful and exciting, one tends to
forget about the aches and pains. I must admit, there are more aches
and pains at 65 than there were back when I started playing with these
things.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | W/B - Percent and inches |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hi James/ Guys,
OK , Is this my CG window ?
When I take 20% of the Cord ( 61 in ) I get 12.2
When I take 35% of the Cord ( 61 in ) I get 21.35
Seems that my CG should be between 12.2 - 21.35 from the leading
edge. Right?
James where did you get "Distance from leading edge to CG - max 23.68
even when I use 37 % like your w/b I only come up with 22.5 ?
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Looong flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
>>From: "Doug Wetzel"
> This lurker wants to know how you loooong fligh guys manage to sit
> comfortably for all that time!
You know, that's surprising. I have a Mark II, which is not all that roomy,
and frankly, I'm a chubby chap being only 5' 9" and 245 pounds. However, the
shortness comes primarily from short legs, so it's not too bad. I guess I've
gotten used to the side-to-side part but since I don't have anyone in the
other seat, and can "bleed over" a bit with my right arm, it's not really
bad. Of course, I wasn't in the air for a continuous 8+ hours, there were
enough fuel and rest stops along the way to break it up.
-Ken Fackler
Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester
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| Subject: | Re: Looong flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
John H,
Who/where is a good source for Temper Foam? My butt wants to know.
Thom
EarlyFS/377
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| Subject: | Aileron Counterbalance Tube |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne F.Wilson" <wfwilson1@yahoo.ca>
Today when moving my plane a friend put a little
pressure on a counterbalance tube on the aileron and
the steel tube broke about an inch from the
connection. Upon examination of broken end about 2/3
of the end was rusted. So obviously it had been broken
previously hidden by the fabric and paint. Upon
examination of the other tube we found cracks in it.
Has anyone experienced this? In the short term what
should there be a problem to fly with one on and one
off?
Any info would be appreciated.
Your truly
Wayne F Wilson
Slingshot 009
Amherstburg ON
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| Subject: | [ Beauford Tuton ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Beauford Tuton <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Pre-hurricane preparations; FireFly & trailer
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/beauford@tampabay.rr.com.09.11.2004/index.html
o Main Photo Share Index
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| Subject: | Check you aileron balances |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Today while moving Waynes slingshot out of the hanger I snapped off the
aileron balance. Closer inspection revealed that it had been cracked halfway
around for some time. An inspection of the other one shows cracking also.
You guys may want to check yours on the next preflight. It cracked near the
weld.
I had my first "incident" with the Jabi today. Everything was fine at t
ake off but when I went to throttle back nothing happened. On the Jabi if
the throttle cable breaks it goes to full throttle. I never liked this
arrangement but if it had failed on take off I would probably still be
sitting in a tree. What had happened Is that the pin holding the clevis to
the throttle fell out. I was able to reach around and find the cable and had
some throttle capability and I killed the engine at 50 ft. to simpify the
landing. All went well and was able to fly again today.
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| Subject: | Re: [ Beauford Tuton ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
> A new Email List Photo Share is available:
>
> Poster: Beauford Tuton <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>
>
> Subject: Pre-hurricane preparations; FireFly & trailer
>
>
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/beauford@tampabay.rr.com.09.11.2004/index.html
>
>
Hey Beauford,
That trailer isn't near as ugly as you make it sound! :-)
I hope I can still say that after Ivan passes.
Denny Rowe
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| Subject: | Re: Check you aileron balances |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
. All went well and was able to fly again today.
>
>
> Good job Woody! Glad to hear you dodged that bullet.
Denny
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| Subject: | N62BW made it to it's new home |
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Greetings,
I'm happy to report that my new SS (Bill Woods' old plane) made it safely to
it's new home at 2R4 in Milton FL. Of course it may not stay all that safe
there, particularly if they keep plotting Ivan more toward our direction.
The trip took 1:08 there in an RV-8 (actual IFR departure), and 2:30 back in
the SS. Burned 15 gallons, at an average of 5100 rpm, and 90 mph. The only
problem was a completely non-functional compass. Fortunately, I had my
trusty Garmin 195 in the flight bag :-)
The plane flies just like I remember it, only a little faster. I'll
probably appreciate the power a little more when I get used to the plane
again, and push it a little harder. The goal for today was simply to get it
home.
Overall, the plane's very nice, but I'm going to have to spend a bit of time
reworking a few things. Some if it is maintenance items, and the rest is
tailoring it to my use. For example, I never met Bill Woods, but either
he's short enough to lean waaaaaay forward without hitting the canopy, or
he's got 6 foot long arms. The radio and switches are well laid out, but I
just can't reach them in flight.
Cheers,
Rusty
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| Subject: | Re: N62BW made it to it's new home |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| the SS. Burned 15 gallons, at an average of 5100 rpm, and 90 mph.
| Rusty
Rusty/All:
That works out to 6 gph.
My 912ULS at 5,200 rpm burns 5.3 gph. At 5,000 burns 5.0 gph.
And, the airspeed is about the same as your SS.
Maybe the numbers will change as you become more accustomed to the new
airplane.
Good luck,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
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Hi Thom/Gang:
You can do a Google search for "temper foam" and get a buncha hits.
Or, got to:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/cm/foam.html
Acft Spruce has as good a price as any.
I bought a piece at OSH 2003, may 10 yr old piece had deteriorated to
the point of butt ache, and paid more for it there from the Temper
Foam specialist than to order from Acft Spruce.
I'd like to have a 3" piece, but $63.00 seems like an awful lot.
Plus, my Aszuzu seat cover may not be large enough to go over it. I
have always used a 1" piece of "firm" Temper Foam.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bruce McElhoe <mcelhoe@cvip.net>
> | Who/where is a good source for Temper Foam? My butt wants to know.
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Hi all,
I recently found a good price from Skandia:
http://www.skandia-inc.com/conforprop.htm
Also, Wicks has a good price on smaller sheets.
Regards,
Bruce McElhoe FireFly #88
Reedley, California
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