Kolb-List Digest Archive

Thu 09/16/04


Total Messages Posted: 18



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 08:28 AM - Great list (Bruce Cox)
     2. 09:53 AM - Re: Hurricane Ivan (John Cooley)
     3. 10:04 AM - Re: Great list (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
     4. 10:08 AM - Re: Great list (John Cooley)
     5. 10:09 AM - Re: Hurricane Ivan (ul15rhb@juno.com)
     6. 10:11 AM - Re: Great list (James, Ken)
     7. 10:13 AM - Ms Pfer (John Cooley)
     8. 10:37 AM - Re: Great list (Richard)
     9. 11:33 AM - Re: Great list (Richard Pike)
    10. 01:32 PM - Re: Great list (jerb)
    11. 01:43 PM - Re: Great list (jerb)
    12. 03:55 PM - John Hauck (Paul Petty)
    13. 04:26 PM - Preflight Checklist. (Kolbdriver)
    14. 04:35 PM - Twinkle Twinkle (Bruce Cox)
    15. 06:58 PM - Re: Firefly Elevator (DAquaNut@aol.com)
    16. 08:35 PM - FireFly Roll Stick Slack (Jack & Louise Hart)
    17. 09:01 PM - Firestar (Bruce Cox)
    18. 10:32 PM - Re: Firestar (HShack@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 08:28:50 AM PST US
    From: "Bruce Cox" <bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Great list
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Cox" <bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com> Hello All, Just an intro.... Name is Bruce Cox, age 51, out of So. Calif. Came across the mail list the other day, was excited to find it so signed on. Maybe one of these days soon I'll be able to pick up a UL. Been busting the brain trying to decide what to get, but keep ending up looking @ the Firestar II. Must be love.... S. Pilot & Airframe Mech. in the 70's. Worked out of VNY airport for Gay Truby Aviation & North American Jet (building the Hustler proto-type) for Allen Paulson, who later became the owner of the champion race horse , Cigar. (made a few bucks on that one...) And also worked on the 1st Aerostars. Presently taking instruction on Quick Sport II out of LLano, Ca. I am aching to get a bird...so if anyone out there has any good leads, I'd like to work something out with the little I have left saved up. Saw on this site that there is going to be a Kolb fly-in. Will try to locate where and see if I can make it.... Nice to meet you all, and keep up the great communications. Bruce On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement


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    Time: 09:53:29 AM PST US
    From: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
    Subject: Hurricane Ivan
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com> Good morning gang, Just got power back on about 10:20 this morning. Went without power for approximately 12 hours. We are very blessed here in my area of south Mississippi. Thought for sure that this morning was going to bring a ugly sight. I remember Fredrick in 1979 and the devastation was terrible, especially to the timber. Thought for sure it would be that way this morning. Mostly just have limbs that blew down with a few trees and no damage to the house or other belongings. We are very blessed indeed. I hope and pray that all on the list survived with minimal damage. I know those in the Florida panhandle and Gulf shores area got hit hard. I will remember all of those folks in my prayers. Later, John Cooley do not archive


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    Time: 10:04:06 AM PST US
    From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
    Subject: Re: Great list
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net> Bruce, Welcome to the list. Check out www.ultralighthomepage.com. There are lots of ultralights for sale there. AzDave Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Cox" <bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com> Subject: Kolb-List: Great list > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Cox" <bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com> > > Hello All, > > Just an intro.... Name is Bruce Cox, age 51, out of So. Calif. Came > across the mail list the other day, was excited to find it so signed on. > Maybe one of these days soon I'll be able to pick up a UL. > Been busting the brain trying to decide what to get, but keep ending up > looking @ the Firestar II. Must be love.... > S. Pilot & Airframe Mech. in the 70's. Worked out of VNY airport for Gay > Truby Aviation & North American Jet (building the Hustler proto-type) for > Allen Paulson, who later became the owner of the champion race horse , > Cigar. (made a few bucks on that one...) And also worked on the 1st > Aerostars. > Presently taking instruction on Quick Sport II out of LLano, Ca. > I am aching to get a bird...so if anyone out there has any good leads, I'd > like to work something out with the little I have left saved up. > Saw on this site that there is going to be a Kolb fly-in. Will try to > locate where and see if I can make it.... > Nice to meet you all, and keep up the great communications. > Bruce > > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to > get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > > >


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    Time: 10:08:17 AM PST US
    From: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
    Subject: Great list
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com> Hi Bruce, Welcome aboard the best list on the net. You will find some great and knowledgeable folks on this list. The Firestar II is a great little plane. Unless you are planning on a occasional passenger I would consider the Firefly also. I haven't flown the fly, but with it being lighter and reading reports of the guys here on the list that have them I can't help but think it might be a little more fun to fly. The Quick II is a fun plane also but slow and unresponsive compared to the Kolbs. A buddy of mine has one with a 582 and he takes off and lands shorter than I can in my Firestar II. I don't think he can do the off field landings like I do though. The Kolb fly-in is at the Kolb factory in London, Ky. I haven't made it to one yet but hope to fly the MK III I am building to the fly-in next year. Again welcome aboard. Later, John Cooley do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Cox Subject: Kolb-List: Great list --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Cox" <bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com> Hello All, Just an intro.... Name is Bruce Cox, age 51, out of So. Calif. Came across the mail list the other day, was excited to find it so signed on. Maybe one of these days soon I'll be able to pick up a UL. Been busting the brain trying to decide what to get, but keep ending up looking @ the Firestar II. Must be love.... S. Pilot & Airframe Mech. in the 70's. Worked out of VNY airport for Gay Truby Aviation & North American Jet (building the Hustler proto-type) for Allen Paulson, who later became the owner of the champion race horse , Cigar. (made a few bucks on that one...) And also worked on the 1st Aerostars. Presently taking instruction on Quick Sport II out of LLano, Ca. I am aching to get a bird...so if anyone out there has any good leads, I'd like to work something out with the little I have left saved up. Saw on this site that there is going to be a Kolb fly-in. Will try to locate where and see if I can make it.... Nice to meet you all, and keep up the great communications. Bruce On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement


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    Time: 10:09:05 AM PST US
    From: "ul15rhb@juno.com" <ul15rhb@juno.com>
    Subject: Hurricane Ivan
    ac8d896c9c198199a53581e158cd813585086cac65ece53cf55c7c18f511a895f518d145f94958b8bddca5b8e10cf881397505a889e8590989f1155d8909c531bc9d7cd938aca9d9dd286cdcd8b5c1 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ul15rhb@juno.com" <ul15rhb@juno.com> I sent an email to John Hauck this morning and have not heard back yet. I suspect his power is out too. Ivan came pretty close to Titus Alabama, so I hope Miss P'fer is ok. He hangers it with an open door in front. Ralph Original Firestar 17 years flying it -- "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com> wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com> Good morning gang, Just got power back on about 10:20 this morning. Went without power for approximately 12 hours. We are very blessed here in my area of south Mississippi. Thought for sure that this morning was going to bring a ugly sight. I remember Fredrick in 1979 and the devastation was terrible, especially to the timber. Thought for sure it would be that way this morning. Mostly just have limbs that blew down with a few trees and no damage to the house or other belongings. We are very blessed indeed. I hope and pray that all on the list survived with minimal damage. I know those in the Florida panhandle and Gulf shores area got hit hard. I will remember all of those folks in my prayers. Later, John Cooley do not archive Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today!


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    Time: 10:11:21 AM PST US
    From: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
    Subject: Great list
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com> Welcome aboard! Good luck on you search. Ken James Building Kit One (still) MkIII -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Cox [mailto:bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com] Subject: Kolb-List: Great list --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Cox" <bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com> Hello All, Just an intro.... Name is Bruce Cox, age 51, out of So. Calif. Came across the mail list the other day, was excited to find it so signed on. Maybe one of these days soon I'll be able to pick up a UL. Been busting the brain trying to decide what to get, but keep ending up looking @ the Firestar II. Must be love.... S. Pilot & Airframe Mech. in the 70's. Worked out of VNY airport for Gay Truby Aviation & North American Jet (building the Hustler proto-type) for Allen Paulson, who later became the owner of the champion race horse , Cigar. (made a few bucks on that one...) And also worked on the 1st Aerostars. Presently taking instruction on Quick Sport II out of LLano, Ca. I am aching to get a bird...so if anyone out there has any good leads, I'd like to work something out with the little I have left saved up. Saw on this site that there is going to be a Kolb fly-in. Will try to locate where and see if I can make it.... Nice to meet you all, and keep up the great communications. Bruce On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement


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    Time: 10:13:44 AM PST US
    From: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
    Subject: Ms Pfer
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com> John H. and Gang, John, I hope you have Ms Pfer well secured. Looks like you are probably getting hurricane force winds right now. It would be a shame for a storm to get her after all the traveling she has done to Alaska and elsewhere. Later, John Cooley do not archive


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    Time: 10:37:36 AM PST US
    From: "Richard" <rwsnipomo@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: Great list
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard" <rwsnipomo@charter.net> Bruce, I am selling a completed Kit #1 for a Kolb Mark III Extra. This lst Kit consists of finished wings, and completed tail section. All metal parts and fuselage tube have been pouder coated off white. It is ready for Kit # 2. Location is Nipomo, Ca. On the Central coast just south of San Luis Obispo. Call is you have questions: 805-929-6409. Richard Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Cox" <bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com> Subject: Kolb-List: Great list > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Cox" <bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com> > > Hello All, > > Just an intro.... Name is Bruce Cox, age 51, out of So. Calif. Came > across the mail list the other day, was excited to find it so signed on. > Maybe one of these days soon I'll be able to pick up a UL. > Been busting the brain trying to decide what to get, but keep ending up > looking @ the Firestar II. Must be love.... > S. Pilot & Airframe Mech. in the 70's. Worked out of VNY airport for Gay > Truby Aviation & North American Jet (building the Hustler proto-type) for > Allen Paulson, who later became the owner of the champion race horse , > Cigar. (made a few bucks on that one...) And also worked on the 1st > Aerostars. > Presently taking instruction on Quick Sport II out of LLano, Ca. > I am aching to get a bird...so if anyone out there has any good leads, I'd > like to work something out with the little I have left saved up. > Saw on this site that there is going to be a Kolb fly-in. Will try to > locate where and see if I can make it.... > Nice to meet you all, and keep up the great communications. > Bruce > > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to > get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > >


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    Time: 11:33:33 AM PST US
    From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
    Subject: Re: Great list
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> If you feel the need for a loooong cross country, one of the locals has a very clean early Firestar, 5 rib wing, Rotax 447, impeccable craftsmanship, pretty good condition, asking around $6500, located in NE Tennessee. If you come to the Kolb Fly-In, it is 120 miles southwest of there. I got a few good pictures of it at a fly in this last weekend, let me know if you want to see them. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive At 08:28 AM 9/16/2004 -0700, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Cox" <bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com> > >Hello All, > > Just an intro.... Name is Bruce Cox, age 51, out of So. Calif. Came >across the mail list the other day, was excited to find it so signed on. >Maybe one of these days soon I'll be able to pick up a UL. >Been busting the brain trying to decide what to get, but keep ending up >looking @ the Firestar II. Must be love.... <snip> >I am aching to get a bird...so if anyone out there has any good leads, I'd >like to work something out with the little I have left saved up. > Saw on this site that there is going to be a Kolb fly-in. Will try to >locate where and see if I can make it.... > Nice to meet you all, and keep up the great communications. >Bruce > >On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to >get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > >


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    Time: 01:32:06 PM PST US
    From: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
    Subject: Great list
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net> Another site to check is www.barnstormers.com for UL aircraft for sale. Having had and flown a FireFly, I would probably look for a FireStar - its a little bigger for handling larger people, roomier cockpit and more space behind the seat to carry stuff. I went with the Fly because of its shorter wing span. It flys well only problem is it could use a little change to the gear to change the CG balance point on the main gear to reduce its tenancy to want to nose over. If you learn how to handle it for the most part its not a problem but you always have to be alert to reduce the chance of it happening. I made the suggestion to the old Kolb company that they make a minor change and they blew it off but if you do a search you will see it's a common occurrence with that model. The Fly also has a lower gross weight which I feel is very conservative compared to the FireStar. Understand the Fly is like the small sports car version of the Kolbs, its flys very well even with a big boy on board, I just feel the FireStar being larger is a little more versatile over all. There was a use FireStar for sale not long ago that sounded good and was very reasonable. jerb At 12:08 PM 9/16/04 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com> > >Hi Bruce, >Welcome aboard the best list on the net. You will find some great and >knowledgeable folks on this list. > >The Firestar II is a great little plane. Unless you are planning on a >occasional passenger I would consider the Firefly also. I haven't flown the >fly, but with it being lighter and reading reports of the guys here on the >list that have them I can't help but think it might be a little more fun to >fly. > >The Quick II is a fun plane also but slow and unresponsive compared to the >Kolbs. A buddy of mine has one with a 582 and he takes off and lands shorter >than I can in my Firestar II. I don't think he can do the off field landings >like I do though. > >The Kolb fly-in is at the Kolb factory in London, Ky. I haven't made it to >one yet but hope to fly the MK III I am building to the fly-in next year. > >Again welcome aboard. > >Later, >John Cooley > >do not archive > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Cox >To: kolb-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kolb-List: Great list > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Cox" <bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com> > >Hello All, > > Just an intro.... Name is Bruce Cox, age 51, out of So. Calif. Came >across the mail list the other day, was excited to find it so signed on. >Maybe one of these days soon I'll be able to pick up a UL. >Been busting the brain trying to decide what to get, but keep ending up >looking @ the Firestar II. Must be love.... > S. Pilot & Airframe Mech. in the 70's. Worked out of VNY airport for Gay >Truby Aviation & North American Jet (building the Hustler proto-type) for >Allen Paulson, who later became the owner of the champion race horse , >Cigar. (made a few bucks on that one...) And also worked on the 1st >Aerostars. > Presently taking instruction on Quick Sport II out of LLano, Ca. >I am aching to get a bird...so if anyone out there has any good leads, I'd >like to work something out with the little I have left saved up. > Saw on this site that there is going to be a Kolb fly-in. Will try to >locate where and see if I can make it.... > Nice to meet you all, and keep up the great communications. >Bruce > >On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to >get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > >


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    Time: 01:43:50 PM PST US
    From: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Great list
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net> This may be the one I was thinking of. Richard is person you can trust. If he says it is nice it is. If you take care of it you should be able to buy it, fly it a couple years and sell it and get your money back out of it. Check out what the plane weighs and how many hours are on the engine - the 377 used to be the engine used, so a 447 should do just fine. A 503 would be great but you get what it has. Would just burn more fuel and cruise a little faster while doing it. The 5 rib wing restricts it having a second seat but if your flying UL there are no 2-seat UL's. You should check this out. A while back I've seen a few good planes come up in CA, so be patient - but when you find a good one you have to move on it, they will not last long if they have a good price. Don't be afraid to talk turkey. Cash in hand has some power, especially if it comes with working headset and radio in the deal... jerb At 02:29 PM 9/16/04 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> > >If you feel the need for a loooong cross country, one of the locals has a >very clean early Firestar, 5 rib wing, Rotax 447, impeccable craftsmanship, >pretty good condition, asking around $6500, located in NE Tennessee. If you >come to the Kolb Fly-In, it is 120 miles southwest of there. >I got a few good pictures of it at a fly in this last weekend, let me know >if you want to see them. > >Richard Pike >MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > >do not archive > >At 08:28 AM 9/16/2004 -0700, you wrote: > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Cox" <bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com> > > > >Hello All, > > > > Just an intro.... Name is Bruce Cox, age 51, out of So. Calif. Came > >across the mail list the other day, was excited to find it so signed on. > >Maybe one of these days soon I'll be able to pick up a UL. > >Been busting the brain trying to decide what to get, but keep ending up > >looking @ the Firestar II. Must be love.... > ><snip> > > >I am aching to get a bird...so if anyone out there has any good leads, I'd > >like to work something out with the little I have left saved up. > > Saw on this site that there is going to be a Kolb fly-in. Will try to > >locate where and see if I can make it.... > > Nice to meet you all, and keep up the great communications. > >Bruce > > > >On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to > >get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:55:23 PM PST US
    From: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
    Subject: John Hauck
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net> Ralph/All, I spoke with John this afternoon just after Ivan had passed through. He is fine and thinks Ms. P'fer is the same. Was cranking up the generator and setting up in his 5th wheel. He had oral surgery yesterday or the day before and has been knocked out from the meds. Paul Petty Building Ms. Dixie Kolbra/912UL/Warp do not archive


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    Time: 04:26:12 PM PST US
    From: "Kolbdriver" <kolbdriver@mfire.com>
    Subject: Preflight Checklist.
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbdriver" <kolbdriver@mfire.com> Hey Guys. About a month ago there were messages about preflight checklists. Someone had a real nice webpage with a line drawing etc. I have since been infected with a worm virus and had to swipe my computer. Does anyone remember the webpage? Also, during inspections has any of the DAR's or Friendly Aviators Association, (FAA) asked for a pilots operating handbook for our aircraft?? Thanks for the help and it's great to be back.. Mike Mark III Classic Texas Do not archive


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    Time: 04:35:50 PM PST US
    From: "Bruce Cox" <bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Twinkle Twinkle
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Cox" <bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com> Hi all, Thanks for the welcomes. I will monitor those web sites for the Firestar II. I like the 2nd seat + 503. May have to settle for something rebuildable...we'll see. God willing, and patience something will appear....keep me in mind if you find one. In the mean time I got to get back up in the air, so off to see my flight instructor in his Quick II. (We've been trying to get it into a spin....lol) Happy Flying. Will keep in touch. Bruce Cox http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/


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    Time: 06:58:58 PM PST US
    From: DAquaNut@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Firefly Elevator
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com In a message dated 9/15/04 5:51:37 PM Central Standard Time, herbgh@juno.com writes: << The damn thing was built with splayed landing gear! Geez--I can do that my self when I start to fly it. :-) I believe I can fix that by drilling new holes where the gear legs fit into the fuselage. >> Herb Maybe the gear is not splayed. The axle fittings were out of spec on my firefly. Solved the problem with a trick from Jack Hart. I just took the wheel of and put a piece of water pipe over the axle and bent the axle fitting until the tires toed out at the top. Ed ( in Houston)


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    Time: 08:35:29 PM PST US
    From: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
    Subject: FireFly Roll Stick Slack
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net> Kolbers & FireFlyers, I have one of the early FireFlys and I have always had some slack in the stick in roll. It is not bad, but it is a nuisance. When flying through strong thermals the FireFly will roll before I can get the slack out and apply pressure to keep the wings level. Also on gusty cross wind landings you have to displace the stick before you can apply pressure in the opposite direction. Today I modified the linkage at the bottom of the stick to eliminate all lost motion. I used "O" rings in compression as springs to keep everything tight. Those of you have early FireFlys and other Kolb designs that use a similar system may want to look at: http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly113.html I have test flown it, and it is much nicer. No flopping of the stick from side to side. One just has to apply pressure to keep the wings level as one wing passes into a thermal. Jack B. Hart FF004 Jackson, MO Jack & Louise Hart jbhart@ldd.net


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    Time: 09:01:10 PM PST US
    From: "Bruce Cox" <bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Firestar
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Cox" <bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com> Hi all; Can anyone with experience on a Firestar II 503 un-confuse me as to the carrying weight. I need to know befor I buy... (see following) Thanks From an owner: Best wing-fold system of any UL, strongest wing [5" dia. wing spar], 4130 chromoly cage, will haul a big guy [I'm 270, my friend Chuck is 6'4- we both fit], the climb is great. From a seller: Thanks for the interest in the Kolb. I have over $19000 invested, but I have had 400 hours of mostly pure pleasure from her. The asking price is $13000. The plane is not junk, have complete logs on engine and airframe with detailed entries for each condition inspection. The plane has a jumpseat but the weight of the plane is 441# (and the factory said it could be built at 325#, another sales lie) makes it way over gross to carry a passenger unless they weigh about 50#. It is simply and safely a one place plane. If you have never flown a small plane like this it would benefit you to get some lessons before you buy and try it on your own. Also do not buy anything you can't inspect, touch, feel, have someone with an eye for homebuilts check it out if you feel unqualified. Okay, as corny as this sounds "define your mission and then get a plane" it is so true. This plane is a joy in light winds and early morning/late evenings, it is not a cross country plane, a 60 mile flight is a long flight (longest flight about 100 miles). hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/


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    Time: 10:32:27 PM PST US
    From: HShack@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Firestar
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com In a message dated 9/17/2004 12:01:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com writes: Hi all; Can anyone with experience on a Firestar II 503 un-confuse me as to the carrying weight. I need to know befor I buy... (see following) Thanks From an owner: Best wing-fold system of any UL, strongest wing [5" dia. wing spar], 4130 chromoly cage, will haul a big guy [I'm 270, my friend Chuck is 6'4- we both fit], the climb is great. Perhaps I had better explain my above statement: I picked the FS II because I could fit in it. I am 6'0" at 270. And with the 503, she really climbs well & is probably the best UL for short field work. I often put an additional 6 gal. gas can behind the seat [for a total of 16 gal.] for those longer flights. The FS doesn't seem to notice it. My friend, Chuck is 6'4" at 280+; he fits in his FS OK too. So, we don't BOTH fit in a FS II at the same time. Howard Shackleford FS II SC




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