Today's Message Index:
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1. 08:28 AM - Great list (Bruce Cox)
2. 09:53 AM - Re: Hurricane Ivan (John Cooley)
3. 10:04 AM - Re: Great list (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
4. 10:08 AM - Re: Great list (John Cooley)
5. 10:09 AM - Re: Hurricane Ivan (ul15rhb@juno.com)
6. 10:11 AM - Re: Great list (James, Ken)
7. 10:13 AM - Ms Pfer (John Cooley)
8. 10:37 AM - Re: Great list (Richard)
9. 11:33 AM - Re: Great list (Richard Pike)
10. 01:32 PM - Re: Great list (jerb)
11. 01:43 PM - Re: Great list (jerb)
12. 03:55 PM - John Hauck (Paul Petty)
13. 04:26 PM - Preflight Checklist. (Kolbdriver)
14. 04:35 PM - Twinkle Twinkle (Bruce Cox)
15. 06:58 PM - Re: Firefly Elevator (DAquaNut@aol.com)
16. 08:35 PM - FireFly Roll Stick Slack (Jack & Louise Hart)
17. 09:01 PM - Firestar (Bruce Cox)
18. 10:32 PM - Re: Firestar (HShack@aol.com)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Cox" <bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com>
Hello All,
Just an intro.... Name is Bruce Cox, age 51, out of So. Calif. Came
across the mail list the other day, was excited to find it so signed on.
Maybe one of these days soon I'll be able to pick up a UL.
Been busting the brain trying to decide what to get, but keep ending up
looking @ the Firestar II. Must be love....
S. Pilot & Airframe Mech. in the 70's. Worked out of VNY airport for Gay
Truby Aviation & North American Jet (building the Hustler proto-type) for
Allen Paulson, who later became the owner of the champion race horse ,
Cigar. (made a few bucks on that one...) And also worked on the 1st
Aerostars.
Presently taking instruction on Quick Sport II out of LLano, Ca.
I am aching to get a bird...so if anyone out there has any good leads, I'd
like to work something out with the little I have left saved up.
Saw on this site that there is going to be a Kolb fly-in. Will try to
locate where and see if I can make it....
Nice to meet you all, and keep up the great communications.
Bruce
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Good morning gang,
Just got power back on about 10:20 this morning. Went without power for
approximately 12 hours. We are very blessed here in my area of south
Mississippi. Thought for sure that this morning was going to bring a ugly
sight. I remember Fredrick in 1979 and the devastation was terrible,
especially to the timber. Thought for sure it would be that way this
morning. Mostly just have limbs that blew down with a few trees and no
damage to the house or other belongings. We are very blessed indeed. I hope
and pray that all on the list survived with minimal damage. I know those in
the Florida panhandle and Gulf shores area got hit hard. I will remember all
of those folks in my prayers.
Later,
John Cooley
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Bruce,
Welcome to the list. Check out www.ultralighthomepage.com. There are
lots of ultralights for sale there.
AzDave
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Cox" <bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Great list
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Cox" <bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com>
>
> Hello All,
>
> Just an intro.... Name is Bruce Cox, age 51, out of So. Calif. Came
> across the mail list the other day, was excited to find it so signed on.
> Maybe one of these days soon I'll be able to pick up a UL.
> Been busting the brain trying to decide what to get, but keep ending up
> looking @ the Firestar II. Must be love....
> S. Pilot & Airframe Mech. in the 70's. Worked out of VNY airport for Gay
> Truby Aviation & North American Jet (building the Hustler proto-type) for
> Allen Paulson, who later became the owner of the champion race horse ,
> Cigar. (made a few bucks on that one...) And also worked on the 1st
> Aerostars.
> Presently taking instruction on Quick Sport II out of LLano, Ca.
> I am aching to get a bird...so if anyone out there has any good leads, I'd
> like to work something out with the little I have left saved up.
> Saw on this site that there is going to be a Kolb fly-in. Will try to
> locate where and see if I can make it....
> Nice to meet you all, and keep up the great communications.
> Bruce
>
> On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to
> get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement
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>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Hi Bruce,
Welcome aboard the best list on the net. You will find some great and
knowledgeable folks on this list.
The Firestar II is a great little plane. Unless you are planning on a
occasional passenger I would consider the Firefly also. I haven't flown the
fly, but with it being lighter and reading reports of the guys here on the
list that have them I can't help but think it might be a little more fun to
fly.
The Quick II is a fun plane also but slow and unresponsive compared to the
Kolbs. A buddy of mine has one with a 582 and he takes off and lands shorter
than I can in my Firestar II. I don't think he can do the off field landings
like I do though.
The Kolb fly-in is at the Kolb factory in London, Ky. I haven't made it to
one yet but hope to fly the MK III I am building to the fly-in next year.
Again welcome aboard.
Later,
John Cooley
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Cox
Subject: Kolb-List: Great list
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Cox" <bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com>
Hello All,
Just an intro.... Name is Bruce Cox, age 51, out of So. Calif. Came
across the mail list the other day, was excited to find it so signed on.
Maybe one of these days soon I'll be able to pick up a UL.
Been busting the brain trying to decide what to get, but keep ending up
looking @ the Firestar II. Must be love....
S. Pilot & Airframe Mech. in the 70's. Worked out of VNY airport for Gay
Truby Aviation & North American Jet (building the Hustler proto-type) for
Allen Paulson, who later became the owner of the champion race horse ,
Cigar. (made a few bucks on that one...) And also worked on the 1st
Aerostars.
Presently taking instruction on Quick Sport II out of LLano, Ca.
I am aching to get a bird...so if anyone out there has any good leads, I'd
like to work something out with the little I have left saved up.
Saw on this site that there is going to be a Kolb fly-in. Will try to
locate where and see if I can make it....
Nice to meet you all, and keep up the great communications.
Bruce
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ul15rhb@juno.com" <ul15rhb@juno.com>
I sent an email to John Hauck this morning and have not heard back yet. I suspect
his power is out too. Ivan came pretty close to Titus Alabama, so I hope Miss
P'fer is ok. He hangers it with an open door in front.
Ralph
Original Firestar
17 years flying it
-- "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Good morning gang,
Just got power back on about 10:20 this morning. Went without power for
approximately 12 hours. We are very blessed here in my area of south
Mississippi. Thought for sure that this morning was going to bring a ugly
sight. I remember Fredrick in 1979 and the devastation was terrible,
especially to the timber. Thought for sure it would be that way this
morning. Mostly just have limbs that blew down with a few trees and no
damage to the house or other belongings. We are very blessed indeed. I hope
and pray that all on the list survived with minimal damage. I know those in
the Florida panhandle and Gulf shores area got hit hard. I will remember all
of those folks in my prayers.
Later,
John Cooley
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
Welcome aboard!
Good luck on you search.
Ken James
Building Kit One (still) MkIII
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Cox [mailto:bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com]
Subject: Kolb-List: Great list
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Cox" <bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com>
Hello All,
Just an intro.... Name is Bruce Cox, age 51, out of So. Calif. Came
across the mail list the other day, was excited to find it so signed on.
Maybe one of these days soon I'll be able to pick up a UL.
Been busting the brain trying to decide what to get, but keep ending up
looking @ the Firestar II. Must be love....
S. Pilot & Airframe Mech. in the 70's. Worked out of VNY airport for Gay
Truby Aviation & North American Jet (building the Hustler proto-type) for
Allen Paulson, who later became the owner of the champion race horse ,
Cigar. (made a few bucks on that one...) And also worked on the 1st
Aerostars.
Presently taking instruction on Quick Sport II out of LLano, Ca.
I am aching to get a bird...so if anyone out there has any good leads, I'd
like to work something out with the little I have left saved up.
Saw on this site that there is going to be a Kolb fly-in. Will try to
locate where and see if I can make it....
Nice to meet you all, and keep up the great communications.
Bruce
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
John H. and Gang,
John, I hope you have Ms Pfer well secured. Looks like you are probably
getting hurricane force winds right now. It would be a shame for a storm to
get her after all the traveling she has done to Alaska and elsewhere.
Later,
John Cooley
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard" <rwsnipomo@charter.net>
Bruce,
I am selling a completed Kit #1 for a Kolb Mark III Extra. This lst Kit
consists of finished wings, and completed tail section. All metal parts and
fuselage tube have been pouder coated off white. It is ready for Kit # 2.
Location is Nipomo, Ca. On the Central coast just south of San Luis Obispo.
Call is you have questions: 805-929-6409.
Richard Smith
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Cox" <bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Great list
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Cox" <bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com>
>
> Hello All,
>
> Just an intro.... Name is Bruce Cox, age 51, out of So. Calif. Came
> across the mail list the other day, was excited to find it so signed on.
> Maybe one of these days soon I'll be able to pick up a UL.
> Been busting the brain trying to decide what to get, but keep ending up
> looking @ the Firestar II. Must be love....
> S. Pilot & Airframe Mech. in the 70's. Worked out of VNY airport for
Gay
> Truby Aviation & North American Jet (building the Hustler proto-type) for
> Allen Paulson, who later became the owner of the champion race horse ,
> Cigar. (made a few bucks on that one...) And also worked on the 1st
> Aerostars.
> Presently taking instruction on Quick Sport II out of LLano, Ca.
> I am aching to get a bird...so if anyone out there has any good leads, I'd
> like to work something out with the little I have left saved up.
> Saw on this site that there is going to be a Kolb fly-in. Will try to
> locate where and see if I can make it....
> Nice to meet you all, and keep up the great communications.
> Bruce
>
> On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to
> get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
If you feel the need for a loooong cross country, one of the locals has a
very clean early Firestar, 5 rib wing, Rotax 447, impeccable craftsmanship,
pretty good condition, asking around $6500, located in NE Tennessee. If you
come to the Kolb Fly-In, it is 120 miles southwest of there.
I got a few good pictures of it at a fly in this last weekend, let me know
if you want to see them.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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At 08:28 AM 9/16/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Cox" <bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com>
>
>Hello All,
>
> Just an intro.... Name is Bruce Cox, age 51, out of So. Calif. Came
>across the mail list the other day, was excited to find it so signed on.
>Maybe one of these days soon I'll be able to pick up a UL.
>Been busting the brain trying to decide what to get, but keep ending up
>looking @ the Firestar II. Must be love....
<snip>
>I am aching to get a bird...so if anyone out there has any good leads, I'd
>like to work something out with the little I have left saved up.
> Saw on this site that there is going to be a Kolb fly-in. Will try to
>locate where and see if I can make it....
> Nice to meet you all, and keep up the great communications.
>Bruce
>
>On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to
>get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Another site to check is www.barnstormers.com for UL aircraft for sale.
Having had and flown a FireFly, I would probably look for a FireStar - its
a little bigger for handling larger people, roomier cockpit and more space
behind the seat to carry stuff. I went with the Fly because of its shorter
wing span. It flys well only problem is it could use a little change to
the gear to change the CG balance point on the main gear to reduce its
tenancy to want to nose over. If you learn how to handle it for the most
part its not a problem but you always have to be alert to reduce the chance
of it happening. I made the suggestion to the old Kolb company that they
make a minor change and they blew it off but if you do a search you will
see it's a common occurrence with that model. The Fly also has a lower
gross weight which I feel is very conservative compared to the
FireStar. Understand the Fly is like the small sports car version of the
Kolbs, its flys very well even with a big boy on board, I just feel the
FireStar being larger is a little more versatile over all.
There was a use FireStar for sale not long ago that sounded good and was
very reasonable.
jerb
At 12:08 PM 9/16/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
>
>Hi Bruce,
>Welcome aboard the best list on the net. You will find some great and
>knowledgeable folks on this list.
>
>The Firestar II is a great little plane. Unless you are planning on a
>occasional passenger I would consider the Firefly also. I haven't flown the
>fly, but with it being lighter and reading reports of the guys here on the
>list that have them I can't help but think it might be a little more fun to
>fly.
>
>The Quick II is a fun plane also but slow and unresponsive compared to the
>Kolbs. A buddy of mine has one with a 582 and he takes off and lands shorter
>than I can in my Firestar II. I don't think he can do the off field landings
>like I do though.
>
>The Kolb fly-in is at the Kolb factory in London, Ky. I haven't made it to
>one yet but hope to fly the MK III I am building to the fly-in next year.
>
>Again welcome aboard.
>
>Later,
>John Cooley
>
>do not archive
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Cox
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: Great list
>
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Cox" <bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com>
>
>Hello All,
>
> Just an intro.... Name is Bruce Cox, age 51, out of So. Calif. Came
>across the mail list the other day, was excited to find it so signed on.
>Maybe one of these days soon I'll be able to pick up a UL.
>Been busting the brain trying to decide what to get, but keep ending up
>looking @ the Firestar II. Must be love....
> S. Pilot & Airframe Mech. in the 70's. Worked out of VNY airport for Gay
>Truby Aviation & North American Jet (building the Hustler proto-type) for
>Allen Paulson, who later became the owner of the champion race horse ,
>Cigar. (made a few bucks on that one...) And also worked on the 1st
>Aerostars.
> Presently taking instruction on Quick Sport II out of LLano, Ca.
>I am aching to get a bird...so if anyone out there has any good leads, I'd
>like to work something out with the little I have left saved up.
> Saw on this site that there is going to be a Kolb fly-in. Will try to
>locate where and see if I can make it....
> Nice to meet you all, and keep up the great communications.
>Bruce
>
>On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to
>get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
This may be the one I was thinking of. Richard is person you can
trust. If he says it is nice it is. If you take care of it you should be
able to buy it, fly it a couple years and sell it and get your money back
out of it. Check out what the plane weighs and how many hours are on the
engine - the 377 used to be the engine used, so a 447 should do just
fine. A 503 would be great but you get what it has. Would just burn more
fuel and cruise a little faster while doing it. The 5 rib wing restricts
it having a second seat but if your flying UL there are no 2-seat
UL's. You should check this out. A while back I've seen a few good planes
come up in CA, so be patient - but when you find a good one you have to
move on it, they will not last long if they have a good price. Don't be
afraid to talk turkey. Cash in hand has some power, especially if it comes
with working headset and radio in the deal...
jerb
At 02:29 PM 9/16/04 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
>If you feel the need for a loooong cross country, one of the locals has a
>very clean early Firestar, 5 rib wing, Rotax 447, impeccable craftsmanship,
>pretty good condition, asking around $6500, located in NE Tennessee. If you
>come to the Kolb Fly-In, it is 120 miles southwest of there.
>I got a few good pictures of it at a fly in this last weekend, let me know
>if you want to see them.
>
>Richard Pike
>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>do not archive
>
>At 08:28 AM 9/16/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Cox" <bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com>
> >
> >Hello All,
> >
> > Just an intro.... Name is Bruce Cox, age 51, out of So. Calif. Came
> >across the mail list the other day, was excited to find it so signed on.
> >Maybe one of these days soon I'll be able to pick up a UL.
> >Been busting the brain trying to decide what to get, but keep ending up
> >looking @ the Firestar II. Must be love....
>
><snip>
>
> >I am aching to get a bird...so if anyone out there has any good leads, I'd
> >like to work something out with the little I have left saved up.
> > Saw on this site that there is going to be a Kolb fly-in. Will try to
> >locate where and see if I can make it....
> > Nice to meet you all, and keep up the great communications.
> >Bruce
> >
> >On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to
> >get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Ralph/All,
I spoke with John this afternoon just after Ivan had passed through. He is fine
and thinks Ms. P'fer is the same. Was cranking up the generator and setting up
in his 5th wheel. He had oral surgery yesterday or the day before and has been
knocked out from the meds.
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
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Subject: | Preflight Checklist. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbdriver" <kolbdriver@mfire.com>
Hey Guys.
About a month ago there were messages about preflight checklists. Someone
had a real nice webpage with a line drawing etc. I have since been infected
with a worm virus and had to swipe my computer.
Does anyone remember the webpage?
Also, during inspections has any of the DAR's or Friendly Aviators
Association, (FAA) asked for a pilots operating handbook for our aircraft??
Thanks for the help and it's great to be back..
Mike
Mark III Classic
Texas
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Cox" <bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com>
Hi all,
Thanks for the welcomes. I will monitor those web sites for the Firestar
II. I like the 2nd seat + 503. May have to settle for something
rebuildable...we'll see.
God willing, and patience something will appear....keep me in mind if you
find one. In the mean time I got to get back up in the air, so off to see my
flight instructor in his Quick II.
(We've been trying to get it into a spin....lol)
Happy Flying. Will keep in touch.
Bruce Cox
http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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Subject: | Re: Firefly Elevator |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
In a message dated 9/15/04 5:51:37 PM Central Standard Time, herbgh@juno.com
writes:
<< The damn thing was built with splayed landing gear! Geez--I can
do that my self when I start to fly it. :-) I believe I can fix that by
drilling new holes where the gear legs fit into the fuselage. >>
Herb
Maybe the gear is not splayed. The axle fittings were out of spec on
my firefly. Solved the problem with a trick from Jack Hart. I just took the
wheel of and put a piece of water pipe over the axle and bent the axle fitting
until the tires toed out at the top.
Ed ( in Houston)
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Subject: | FireFly Roll Stick Slack |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
Kolbers & FireFlyers,
I have one of the early FireFlys and I have always had some slack in the
stick in roll. It is not bad, but it is a nuisance. When flying through
strong thermals the FireFly will roll before I can get the slack out and
apply pressure to keep the wings level. Also on gusty cross wind landings
you have to displace the stick before you can apply pressure in the opposite
direction.
Today I modified the linkage at the bottom of the stick to eliminate all
lost motion. I used "O" rings in compression as springs to keep everything
tight. Those of you have early FireFlys and other Kolb designs that use a
similar system may want to look at:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly113.html
I have test flown it, and it is much nicer. No flopping of the stick from
side to side. One just has to apply pressure to keep the wings level as one
wing passes into a thermal.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Cox" <bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com>
Hi all;
Can anyone with experience on a Firestar II 503 un-confuse me as to the
carrying weight. I need to know befor I buy... (see following) Thanks
From an owner:
Best wing-fold system of any UL, strongest wing [5" dia. wing spar], 4130
chromoly cage, will haul a big guy [I'm 270, my friend Chuck is 6'4- we both
fit], the climb is great.
From a seller:
Thanks for the interest in the Kolb. I have over $19000 invested, but I have
had 400 hours of mostly pure pleasure from her. The asking price is $13000.
The plane is not junk, have complete logs on engine and airframe with
detailed entries for each condition inspection. The plane has a jumpseat but
the weight of the plane is 441# (and the factory said it could be built at
325#, another sales lie) makes it way over gross to carry a passenger unless
they weigh about 50#. It is simply and safely a one place plane.
If you have never flown a small plane like this it would benefit you to get
some lessons before you buy and try it on your own. Also do not buy anything
you can't inspect, touch, feel, have someone with an eye for homebuilts
check it out if you feel unqualified.
Okay, as corny as this sounds "define your mission and then get a plane" it
is so true. This plane is a joy in light winds and early morning/late
evenings, it is not a cross country plane, a 60 mile flight is a long flight
(longest flight about 100 miles).
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 9/17/2004 12:01:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,
bruce_allen_cox@hotmail.com writes:
Hi all;
Can anyone with experience on a Firestar II 503 un-confuse me as to the
carrying weight. I need to know befor I buy... (see following) Thanks
From an owner:
Best wing-fold system of any UL, strongest wing [5" dia. wing spar], 4130
chromoly cage, will haul a big guy [I'm 270, my friend Chuck is 6'4- we both
fit], the climb is great.
Perhaps I had better explain my above statement: I picked the FS II because
I could fit in it. I am 6'0" at 270. And with the 503, she really climbs
well & is probably the best UL for short field work. I often put an additional
6
gal. gas can behind the seat [for a total of 16 gal.] for those longer
flights. The FS doesn't seem to notice it.
My friend, Chuck is 6'4" at 280+; he fits in his FS OK too.
So, we don't BOTH fit in a FS II at the same time.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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