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1. 05:02 AM - cell phone, FRS use in aircraft (Jim Gerken)
2. 06:39 AM - Re: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft (N27SB@aol.com)
3. 10:02 AM - Sun`n`fun (PATRICK LADD)
4. 12:48 PM - Re: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft (PATRICK LADD)
5. 01:59 PM - Re: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft (Thom Riddle)
6. 02:03 PM - Re: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft (Thom Riddle)
7. 02:41 PM - cell phone use (russkinne)
8. 02:44 PM - Re: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft (russkinne)
9. 02:59 PM - Re: cell phone use (herbgh@juno.com)
10. 03:17 PM - Re: cell phone use (Cory Emberson)
11. 03:24 PM - Kolb Homecoming 2004 (jhauck@elmore.rr.com)
12. 03:27 PM - Flap Motor (Richard Pike)
13. 04:28 PM - Re: Re: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft (Larry Bourne)
14. 06:31 PM - Re: Sun`n`fun (Beauford)
15. 07:21 PM - Rotax 582 bleeding oil injector line (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
16. 08:13 PM - Re: Re: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft (Earl & Mim Zimmerman)
17. 08:24 PM - Re: Rotax 582 bleeding oil injector line (Richard Pike)
18. 08:31 PM - Re: Rotax 582 bleeding oil injector line (Earl & Mim Zimmerman)
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| Subject: | cell phone, FRS use in aircraft |
07:02:18 AM
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken <gerken@us.ibm.com>
>Time: 10:54:42 AM PST US
>From: "M. Domenic Perez" <perezmdomenic@plateautel.net>
>Subject: Kolb-List: Cheap communications
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "M. Domenic Perez"
<perezmdomenic@plateautel.net>
>Steve B.
> I'm assuming your idea for cheap communication has something to do
with
>the new FRS and/or GMRS radios now available. If you are making yourself
>informed about these, while you're at it, see if there is a way to patch
>together for simultaneous use, an aviation radio, a cell phone and the
>FRS/GMRS radios. I know this sounds excessive, but would be useful anyway.
>In my case, if I had to give up one of the three, it would be the aviation
>radio.
>M. Domenic Perez
>FS II
I was told that use of a cell phone in any aircraft is illegal, as multiple
cell receivers are triggered at once. Could be wrong, and can't remember
the source...
I have patched my FRS into my intercom and used it to transmit from my Kolb
at a couple thousand feet to my wife on the ground over 6 miles away. This
was one of the normal no-license low power units. It was loud and clear.
Plenty of cords when you get a couple headsets, an intercom, an a/c band
radio, and then add a portable cassette/radio or a FRS to the intercomm.
FM radio reception is certainly great from a couple thousand feet also.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
Sounds like you are working in the same area.
The FAA prohibits cell use in certificated AC, not sure how that applies to UL.
I am sure we all will only be using our cell mode while taxiing or 254#, 5 gal
max UL around. (-:
Steve B
WetFly#007
Sitting in Memphis, waiting for flight to London,KY
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Hi all,
re airshows. Is there usually a Kolb presence at Sun`n`Fun?
If there is I may make the trip to the States in April.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
The FAA prohibits cell use in certificated AC,>>
Over here in the UK cellphones are supposed to be banned from aircraft use.
I understood that this was because from an aircraft the message went to
several nodes instead of just one when used on the ground.
However it is now apparently OK to use cell phones on commercial flights so
perhaps the problem has been solved .
The problem of what to do with the person in the next seat rabbitting on his
phone all the way across the Atlantic is as yet unsolved.
Telling the Hostess that you think it is Cat Stevens might do the trick.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
The prohibition against Cell Phone use in aircraft is from the FCC not the FAA.
See this link for more information.
http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/cellular/operations/aircraft.html
The airline industry has gone into cahoots with a single Cellular Service to allow
this company and only this company to provide Cell Service on the carriers'
aircraft. It sounds to me that the technical rationale for banning Cell Phones
is a bit Phoney :-) and just another way to create a monopoly that the airlines
and service provider benefit from.
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | Re: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
Forgot to mention that the prohibition is for ALL U.S. Registered aircraft, which
of course includes airplanes registered as experimental. On the surface, this
does not appear to prohibit such use in part 103 "vehicles". Is this an oversight,
or perhaps recognition that it is very difficult if not impossible to
enforce?
Thom in Buffalo
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: russkinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
The FCC ban on cell-phone use from aircraft is a very real one, and one they
take seriously.
I've been told they issued -- and collected -- a $10,000 fine from a
corporate aircraft for using cellphones from the air. Obviously, Aircell
has gotten a waiver of this rule, probably because they created equipment
and used frequencies that do not interfere with ground-bound cellphone use.
The basic problem is that if you're even 500' in the air, your cellphone can
light up a whole bunch of relay towers instead of just one or two -- and the
FCC will know it, if they're paying attention; and they'll come after you if
they want to pursue it.
Cellphones are convenient, but not worth this much risk, IMHO.
Russ Kinne
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| Subject: | Re: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: russkinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
on 9/23/04 3:48 PM, PATRICK LADD at pj.ladd@btinternet.com wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
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> The FAA prohibits cell use in certificated AC,>>
>
> Over here in the UK cellphones are supposed to be banned from aircraft use.
> I understood that this was because from an aircraft the message went to
> several nodes instead of just one when used on the ground.
> However it is now apparently OK to use cell phones on commercial flights so
> perhaps the problem has been solved .
> The problem of what to do with the person in the next seat rabbitting on his
> phone all the way across the Atlantic is as yet unsolved.
> Telling the Hostess that you think it is Cat Stevens might do the trick.
> Cheers
>
> Pat
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> Do not archive
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GOOD CALL, PATRICK! I suspect you're right. Hopefully the US of A will
catch up to Merry Olde before too long -- thanx for the post.
Russ Kinne
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| Subject: | Re: cell phone use |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
Russ and all
It occurs to me that standing on a tall hill would have the same
effect! 5000 feet in the smoky Mountains for instance. 2000 feet on the
Cumberland plateau. So--in many cases , I doubt that they could possibly
guess where the transmission came from? Herb in Ky
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:42:31 -0400 russkinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: russkinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
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> The FCC ban on cell-phone use from aircraft is a very real one, and
> one they
> take seriously.
> I've been told they issued -- and collected -- a $10,000 fine from
> a
> corporate aircraft for using cellphones from the air. Obviously,
> Aircell
> has gotten a waiver of this rule, probably because they created
> equipment
> and used frequencies that do not interfere with ground-bound
> cellphone use.
> The basic problem is that if you're even 500' in the air, your
> cellphone can
> light up a whole bunch of relay towers instead of just one or two --
> and the
> FCC will know it, if they're paying attention; and they'll come
> after you if
> they want to pursue it.
> Cellphones are convenient, but not worth this much risk, IMHO.
> Russ Kinne
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
Russ,
Forgive the question (I used to know more about radio technology), but what
would the difference be between using a cellphone at, say, 4000 feet
AGL,versus using it on the summit of a similar mountain (like Mt. Diablo in
the Bay Area of Northern California)?
Thanks, Cory
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of russkinne
Subject: Kolb-List: cell phone use
--> Kolb-List message posted by: russkinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
The FCC ban on cell-phone use from aircraft is a very real one, and one they
take seriously.
I've been told they issued -- and collected -- a $10,000 fine from a
corporate aircraft for using cellphones from the air. Obviously, Aircell
has gotten a waiver of this rule, probably because they created equipment
and used frequencies that do not interfere with ground-bound cellphone use.
The basic problem is that if you're even 500' in the air, your cellphone can
light up a whole bunch of relay towers instead of just one or two -- and the
FCC will know it, if they're paying attention; and they'll come after you if
they want to pursue it.
Cellphones are convenient, but not worth this much risk, IMHO.
Russ Kinne
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| Subject: | Kolb Homecoming 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jhauck@elmore.rr.com
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adding your search to the subject line like this:
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Hi All:
>
> I have arrived at the Kolb Factory. Travis said I was officially the first
> Kolber to get here. Unfortunately, I arrived by truck and 5th wheel instead
> of MKIII as I usually enjoy traveling in.
>
> Had dinner with John Williamson, Gary Haley, and James Tripp last night in
> Millbrook, AL. John W and Gary spent the night with James and all three had
> planned to takeoff at 0900 this morning from Wetumpka Airport and head this
> way, via Rome, GA, Rock Springs, TN, and finally Chesnut Knolls Air
> Foundation and the Kolb Factory.
>
> Hope everyone that can is on their way and has a safe flight/trip to London,
> KY. The Kolb gang have the place looking 100%, just for us to enjoy. They
> are gracious and generous hosts, indeed!
>
> I have a digital projector and DVD of pictures of my flight to Alaska that I
> will share this weekend.
>
> Ya'll hurry up and get here son I won't be so lonesome.
>
> Haven't heard anything from the two Texans and one Alabamian flying up.
>
> john h
> Chesnut Knolls Air Foundation/Kolb Aircraft Factory
***************************************
HI All:
I sent the above on KOlb's account and it bounced.
Anyhow, I'll update a little. It is 1830 at the KOlb Factory.
James Tripp, JOhn Williamson, Gary Haley, and Mark German have flown in, in two
KOlbras, a Mark III, and a FS2. No one else has flown arrived.
Ya'll hurry up and come on down. The place looks great and the Kolb gang are ready
for you.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Hey Woody, I will bring your flap motor to the Kolb Fly-In, be sure and get it.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I've always been a bit curious about the notion of "activating several cells
or nodes at once." In many places, such as the mountains above/behind San
Bernardino, CA, it's possible to see for miles from the road - in the San
Berdoo example, above, you can see over the whole Los Angeles basin and then
some. Every one on a cell phone up there must really cover some ground, eh
?? Curious Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
>
> Forgot to mention that the prohibition is for ALL U.S. Registered
> aircraft, which of course includes airplanes registered as experimental.
> On the surface, this does not appear to prohibit such use in part 103
> "vehicles". Is this an oversight, or perhaps recognition that it is very
> difficult if not impossible to enforce?
>
> Thom in Buffalo
> do not archive
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Pat...
Kolb has had a major presence at SnF for each of the 12 years I have been
attending... They pretty well shut down operations in Kentucky and bring
several big trailers including all of the various demonstrator aircraft,
pilots and support team from the factory. Weather permitting, they fly many
of the Kolbs for several demonstration periods each day.... you can watch
from up very close alongside the ultralight strip... For ultralights, SnF is
about as good as it gets... you will see everything on display from all of
the aircraft manufacturers and accessory equipment companies... Plus a huge
airshow and display of experimentals and warbirds that you can walk among,
sniff and lick if you are so inclined... Many unique airplanes...
I think it would be well worth the trip... bring sunscreen...
For openers, you might start by looking at www.sun-n-fun.org and click on
"fly-in" up at the top...
Regards,
Beauford
FF#076
Brandon, Florida
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----- Original Message -----
From: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Sun`n`fun
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
> Hi all,
>
> re airshows. Is there usually a Kolb presence at Sun`n`Fun?
> If there is I may make the trip to the States in April.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Rotax 582 bleeding oil injector line |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
Anyone
My buddy has a 582 with oil injection. He cannot get all of the air out of
the line coming from the tank to the pump. Does the bleed screw just have to
be loosened, or must it be removed all the way?
Do Not Archive
Bill Varnes
Original FireStar
Audubon NJ
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| Subject: | Re: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi@supernet.com>
I say it's a bunch of baloney! The cell. providers just don't want to
give up there roaming charges because your phone just line of sighted
back to your home tower. And what about the satellite based phones??
It reminds me of the hospital policies of "No Cell Phones" because it
may stop someones life supporting gismose?? But the staff are all
carrying and using them. Sort of like politics. You can always believe
what you hear! ~ Earl
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 582 bleeding oil injector line |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
I had a problem with that too, here's what I did-
First hurdle was getting the air bubble out of the oil filter, had to bend
and hold the line down with the exit up until all the air got out of the
oil filter, then bent the line down some more until the oil came right to
the end of the line. Then I stuck my finger over it and made a vacuum and
got it to where I could cram it onto the fitting while holding it downhill
so that any air that entered the line would stay right at the fitting.
Now I had a line with no air in it, but there was a bubble right at the
pump/line/fitting junction. Opened the bleed hole, but that didn't solve
the problem, couldn't get that air bubble to go downhill to the bleed
hole-still a little air bubble. Since the engine was a fresh overhaul, the
airplane already had some 50:1 gas in it, so I cranked it up and eased it
up to about 4000 rpm. (Perhaps this is a good time to mention that I had a
tow strap tied to the tail wheel, and the other end hitched to the Jeep.)
Then I stood on a short ladder in front of the wing and reached over the
top of the wing until I could get to the oil pump cable and pull it full
on. Didn't take long and it started to smoke like crazy, let it run that
way for a while until I could see a bunch of little air bubbles going down
through the injector lines and disappear, and then turned the cable loose,
that fixed it, no more bubble.
Probably other and better ways to do it, but that one worked for me.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 10:20 PM 9/23/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
>
>Anyone
>
>My buddy has a 582 with oil injection. He cannot get all of the air out of
>the line coming from the tank to the pump. Does the bleed screw just have to
>be loosened, or must it be removed all the way?
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>Bill Varnes
>Original FireStar
>Audubon NJ
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 582 bleeding oil injector line |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi@supernet.com>
WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
>
> Anyone
>
> My buddy has a 582 with oil injection. He cannot get all of the air out of
> the line coming from the tank to the pump. Does the bleed screw just have to
> be loosened, or must it be removed all the way?
>
> Do Not Archive
Bill,
If the air is only in the line from the tank to the pump. I would try to
manipulate the hose by hand with the engine off to try to get the air to
back up into the tank. If it is already into to pump then you can just
loosen the bleeder and run the engine at 2500-3000 rpm with the pump
lever pulled to the wide open position. Depending on his throttle cable
setup you can just pull the sheath of the cable going to the pump, or
just wire the lever open and run it till the air is out. If there is a
bunch of air in the supply line I would disconnect it from the pump and
drain it to purge the air and them reconnect it instead of trying to
pump all that air through the pump and out the bleeder.
~ Earl " The Rans Guy"
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