---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/23/04: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:02 AM - cell phone, FRS use in aircraft (Jim Gerken) 2. 06:39 AM - Re: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft (N27SB@aol.com) 3. 10:02 AM - Sun`n`fun (PATRICK LADD) 4. 12:48 PM - Re: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft (PATRICK LADD) 5. 01:59 PM - Re: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft (Thom Riddle) 6. 02:03 PM - Re: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft (Thom Riddle) 7. 02:41 PM - cell phone use (russkinne) 8. 02:44 PM - Re: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft (russkinne) 9. 02:59 PM - Re: cell phone use (herbgh@juno.com) 10. 03:17 PM - Re: cell phone use (Cory Emberson) 11. 03:24 PM - Kolb Homecoming 2004 (jhauck@elmore.rr.com) 12. 03:27 PM - Flap Motor (Richard Pike) 13. 04:28 PM - Re: Re: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft (Larry Bourne) 14. 06:31 PM - Re: Sun`n`fun (Beauford) 15. 07:21 PM - Rotax 582 bleeding oil injector line (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) 16. 08:13 PM - Re: Re: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft (Earl & Mim Zimmerman) 17. 08:24 PM - Re: Rotax 582 bleeding oil injector line (Richard Pike) 18. 08:31 PM - Re: Rotax 582 bleeding oil injector line (Earl & Mim Zimmerman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:51 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft From: Jim Gerken 07:02:18 AM --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken >Time: 10:54:42 AM PST US >From: "M. Domenic Perez" >Subject: Kolb-List: Cheap communications >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "M. Domenic Perez" >Steve B. > I'm assuming your idea for cheap communication has something to do with >the new FRS and/or GMRS radios now available. If you are making yourself >informed about these, while you're at it, see if there is a way to patch >together for simultaneous use, an aviation radio, a cell phone and the >FRS/GMRS radios. I know this sounds excessive, but would be useful anyway. >In my case, if I had to give up one of the three, it would be the aviation >radio. >M. Domenic Perez >FS II I was told that use of a cell phone in any aircraft is illegal, as multiple cell receivers are triggered at once. Could be wrong, and can't remember the source... I have patched my FRS into my intercom and used it to transmit from my Kolb at a couple thousand feet to my wife on the ground over 6 miles away. This was one of the normal no-license low power units. It was loud and clear. Plenty of cords when you get a couple headsets, an intercom, an a/c band radio, and then add a portable cassette/radio or a FRS to the intercomm. FM radio reception is certainly great from a couple thousand feet also. Jim ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:43 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com Sounds like you are working in the same area. The FAA prohibits cell use in certificated AC, not sure how that applies to UL. I am sure we all will only be using our cell mode while taxiing or 254#, 5 gal max UL around. (-: Steve B WetFly#007 Sitting in Memphis, waiting for flight to London,KY do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:02:25 AM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Kolb-List: Sun`n`fun --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" Hi all, re airshows. Is there usually a Kolb presence at Sun`n`Fun? If there is I may make the trip to the States in April. Cheers Pat Do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:48:59 PM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" The FAA prohibits cell use in certificated AC,>> Over here in the UK cellphones are supposed to be banned from aircraft use. I understood that this was because from an aircraft the message went to several nodes instead of just one when used on the ground. However it is now apparently OK to use cell phones on commercial flights so perhaps the problem has been solved . The problem of what to do with the person in the next seat rabbitting on his phone all the way across the Atlantic is as yet unsolved. Telling the Hostess that you think it is Cat Stevens might do the trick. Cheers Pat Do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:59:23 PM PST US From: "Thom Riddle" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" The prohibition against Cell Phone use in aircraft is from the FCC not the FAA. See this link for more information. http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/cellular/operations/aircraft.html The airline industry has gone into cahoots with a single Cellular Service to allow this company and only this company to provide Cell Service on the carriers' aircraft. It sounds to me that the technical rationale for banning Cell Phones is a bit Phoney :-) and just another way to create a monopoly that the airlines and service provider benefit from. Thom in Buffalo ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:03:49 PM PST US From: "Thom Riddle" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" Forgot to mention that the prohibition is for ALL U.S. Registered aircraft, which of course includes airplanes registered as experimental. On the surface, this does not appear to prohibit such use in part 103 "vehicles". Is this an oversight, or perhaps recognition that it is very difficult if not impossible to enforce? Thom in Buffalo do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:41:49 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: cell phone use From: russkinne --> Kolb-List message posted by: russkinne The FCC ban on cell-phone use from aircraft is a very real one, and one they take seriously. I've been told they issued -- and collected -- a $10,000 fine from a corporate aircraft for using cellphones from the air. Obviously, Aircell has gotten a waiver of this rule, probably because they created equipment and used frequencies that do not interfere with ground-bound cellphone use. The basic problem is that if you're even 500' in the air, your cellphone can light up a whole bunch of relay towers instead of just one or two -- and the FCC will know it, if they're paying attention; and they'll come after you if they want to pursue it. Cellphones are convenient, but not worth this much risk, IMHO. Russ Kinne ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft From: russkinne --> Kolb-List message posted by: russkinne on 9/23/04 3:48 PM, PATRICK LADD at pj.ladd@btinternet.com wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" > > The FAA prohibits cell use in certificated AC,>> > > Over here in the UK cellphones are supposed to be banned from aircraft use. > I understood that this was because from an aircraft the message went to > several nodes instead of just one when used on the ground. > However it is now apparently OK to use cell phones on commercial flights so > perhaps the problem has been solved . > The problem of what to do with the person in the next seat rabbitting on his > phone all the way across the Atlantic is as yet unsolved. > Telling the Hostess that you think it is Cat Stevens might do the trick. > Cheers > > Pat > > Do not archive > > > > > > GOOD CALL, PATRICK! I suspect you're right. Hopefully the US of A will catch up to Merry Olde before too long -- thanx for the post. Russ Kinne ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:59:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: cell phone use From: herbgh@juno.com --> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com Russ and all It occurs to me that standing on a tall hill would have the same effect! 5000 feet in the smoky Mountains for instance. 2000 feet on the Cumberland plateau. So--in many cases , I doubt that they could possibly guess where the transmission came from? Herb in Ky On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:42:31 -0400 russkinne writes: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: russkinne > > The FCC ban on cell-phone use from aircraft is a very real one, and > one they > take seriously. > I've been told they issued -- and collected -- a $10,000 fine from > a > corporate aircraft for using cellphones from the air. Obviously, > Aircell > has gotten a waiver of this rule, probably because they created > equipment > and used frequencies that do not interfere with ground-bound > cellphone use. > The basic problem is that if you're even 500' in the air, your > cellphone can > light up a whole bunch of relay towers instead of just one or two -- > and the > FCC will know it, if they're paying attention; and they'll come > after you if > they want to pursue it. > Cellphones are convenient, but not worth this much risk, IMHO. > Russ Kinne > > > = > = > = > = > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:29 PM PST US From: "Cory Emberson" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: cell phone use --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" Russ, Forgive the question (I used to know more about radio technology), but what would the difference be between using a cellphone at, say, 4000 feet AGL,versus using it on the summit of a similar mountain (like Mt. Diablo in the Bay Area of Northern California)? Thanks, Cory -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of russkinne Subject: Kolb-List: cell phone use --> Kolb-List message posted by: russkinne The FCC ban on cell-phone use from aircraft is a very real one, and one they take seriously. I've been told they issued -- and collected -- a $10,000 fine from a corporate aircraft for using cellphones from the air. Obviously, Aircell has gotten a waiver of this rule, probably because they created equipment and used frequencies that do not interfere with ground-bound cellphone use. The basic problem is that if you're even 500' in the air, your cellphone can light up a whole bunch of relay towers instead of just one or two -- and the FCC will know it, if they're paying attention; and they'll come after you if they want to pursue it. Cellphones are convenient, but not worth this much risk, IMHO. Russ Kinne ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:18 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Homecoming 2004 From: jhauck@elmore.rr.com --> Kolb-List message posted by: jhauck@elmore.rr.com ------------------------------------------------ Search the web by email! mailto:www@web2mail.com adding your search to the subject line like this: search summer vacations ------------------------------------------------ Hi All: > > I have arrived at the Kolb Factory. Travis said I was officially the first > Kolber to get here. Unfortunately, I arrived by truck and 5th wheel instead > of MKIII as I usually enjoy traveling in. > > Had dinner with John Williamson, Gary Haley, and James Tripp last night in > Millbrook, AL. John W and Gary spent the night with James and all three had > planned to takeoff at 0900 this morning from Wetumpka Airport and head this > way, via Rome, GA, Rock Springs, TN, and finally Chesnut Knolls Air > Foundation and the Kolb Factory. > > Hope everyone that can is on their way and has a safe flight/trip to London, > KY. The Kolb gang have the place looking 100%, just for us to enjoy. They > are gracious and generous hosts, indeed! > > I have a digital projector and DVD of pictures of my flight to Alaska that I > will share this weekend. > > Ya'll hurry up and get here son I won't be so lonesome. > > Haven't heard anything from the two Texans and one Alabamian flying up. > > john h > Chesnut Knolls Air Foundation/Kolb Aircraft Factory *************************************** HI All: I sent the above on KOlb's account and it bounced. Anyhow, I'll update a little. It is 1830 at the KOlb Factory. James Tripp, JOhn Williamson, Gary Haley, and Mark German have flown in, in two KOlbras, a Mark III, and a FS2. No one else has flown arrived. Ya'll hurry up and come on down. The place looks great and the Kolb gang are ready for you. john h ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:18 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Kolb-List: Flap Motor --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Hey Woody, I will bring your flap motor to the Kolb Fly-In, be sure and get it. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:18 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I've always been a bit curious about the notion of "activating several cells or nodes at once." In many places, such as the mountains above/behind San Bernardino, CA, it's possible to see for miles from the road - in the San Berdoo example, above, you can see over the whole Los Angeles basin and then some. Every one on a cell phone up there must really cover some ground, eh ?? Curious Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Riddle" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" > > Forgot to mention that the prohibition is for ALL U.S. Registered > aircraft, which of course includes airplanes registered as experimental. > On the surface, this does not appear to prohibit such use in part 103 > "vehicles". Is this an oversight, or perhaps recognition that it is very > difficult if not impossible to enforce? > > Thom in Buffalo > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:49 PM PST US From: "Beauford" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sun`n`fun --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" Pat... Kolb has had a major presence at SnF for each of the 12 years I have been attending... They pretty well shut down operations in Kentucky and bring several big trailers including all of the various demonstrator aircraft, pilots and support team from the factory. Weather permitting, they fly many of the Kolbs for several demonstration periods each day.... you can watch from up very close alongside the ultralight strip... For ultralights, SnF is about as good as it gets... you will see everything on display from all of the aircraft manufacturers and accessory equipment companies... Plus a huge airshow and display of experimentals and warbirds that you can walk among, sniff and lick if you are so inclined... Many unique airplanes... I think it would be well worth the trip... bring sunscreen... For openers, you might start by looking at www.sun-n-fun.org and click on "fly-in" up at the top... Regards, Beauford FF#076 Brandon, Florida Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Kolb-List: Sun`n`fun > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" > > Hi all, > > re airshows. Is there usually a Kolb presence at Sun`n`Fun? > If there is I may make the trip to the States in April. > > > Cheers > > Pat > > Do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:20 PM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Rotax 582 bleeding oil injector line --> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Anyone My buddy has a 582 with oil injection. He cannot get all of the air out of the line coming from the tank to the pump. Does the bleed screw just have to be loosened, or must it be removed all the way? Do Not Archive Bill Varnes Original FireStar Audubon NJ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:51 PM PST US From: Earl & Mim Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: cell phone, FRS use in aircraft --> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman I say it's a bunch of baloney! The cell. providers just don't want to give up there roaming charges because your phone just line of sighted back to your home tower. And what about the satellite based phones?? It reminds me of the hospital policies of "No Cell Phones" because it may stop someones life supporting gismose?? But the staff are all carrying and using them. Sort of like politics. You can always believe what you hear! ~ Earl ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:23 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax 582 bleeding oil injector line --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike I had a problem with that too, here's what I did- First hurdle was getting the air bubble out of the oil filter, had to bend and hold the line down with the exit up until all the air got out of the oil filter, then bent the line down some more until the oil came right to the end of the line. Then I stuck my finger over it and made a vacuum and got it to where I could cram it onto the fitting while holding it downhill so that any air that entered the line would stay right at the fitting. Now I had a line with no air in it, but there was a bubble right at the pump/line/fitting junction. Opened the bleed hole, but that didn't solve the problem, couldn't get that air bubble to go downhill to the bleed hole-still a little air bubble. Since the engine was a fresh overhaul, the airplane already had some 50:1 gas in it, so I cranked it up and eased it up to about 4000 rpm. (Perhaps this is a good time to mention that I had a tow strap tied to the tail wheel, and the other end hitched to the Jeep.) Then I stood on a short ladder in front of the wing and reached over the top of the wing until I could get to the oil pump cable and pull it full on. Didn't take long and it started to smoke like crazy, let it run that way for a while until I could see a bunch of little air bubbles going down through the injector lines and disappear, and then turned the cable loose, that fixed it, no more bubble. Probably other and better ways to do it, but that one worked for me. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 10:20 PM 9/23/2004 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com > >Anyone > >My buddy has a 582 with oil injection. He cannot get all of the air out of >the line coming from the tank to the pump. Does the bleed screw just have to >be loosened, or must it be removed all the way? > >Do Not Archive > >Bill Varnes >Original FireStar >Audubon NJ ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:07 PM PST US From: Earl & Mim Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax 582 bleeding oil injector line --> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com > > Anyone > > My buddy has a 582 with oil injection. He cannot get all of the air out of > the line coming from the tank to the pump. Does the bleed screw just have to > be loosened, or must it be removed all the way? > > Do Not Archive Bill, If the air is only in the line from the tank to the pump. I would try to manipulate the hose by hand with the engine off to try to get the air to back up into the tank. If it is already into to pump then you can just loosen the bleeder and run the engine at 2500-3000 rpm with the pump lever pulled to the wide open position. Depending on his throttle cable setup you can just pull the sheath of the cable going to the pump, or just wire the lever open and run it till the air is out. If there is a bunch of air in the supply line I would disconnect it from the pump and drain it to purge the air and them reconnect it instead of trying to pump all that air through the pump and out the bleeder. ~ Earl " The Rans Guy"