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1. 03:07 AM - Re: Sun`n`fun (PATRICK LADD)
2. 05:15 AM - Re: Sun`n`fun (JACK HART)
3. 05:20 AM - Re: Sun`n`fun (Richard Pike)
4. 06:12 AM - short summer (robert bean)
5. 09:02 AM - Re: Sun`n`fun (PATRICK LADD)
6. 09:06 AM - Re: Sun`n`fun (PATRICK LADD)
7. 12:48 PM - Re: short summer (Richard Pike)
8. 05:14 PM - Re: short summer (robert bean)
9. 05:22 PM - Re: Seeking Malcolm Brubaker (John Abbott)
10. 06:43 PM - Firestar II with 582 (HShack@aol.com)
11. 07:02 PM - Re: short summer (Richard Swiderwski)
12. 07:14 PM - Re: short summer (Richard Swiderwski)
13. 08:13 PM - Re: Firestar II with 582 (Richard Pike)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Hi All,
thanks to everyone who replied to my query about Kolbs at Sun`n`Fun.
Looks as though I shall have to force myself to take another trip to the
States to visit an airshow. Aint life hell!
Your take on the cell phone question is most enlightening. Everyone suspects
`authority` of being up to something, creating a monopoly or some other
skullduggery.That I can understand, but `cui bono` who benefits from
restricting the use of cellphones in hospitals. I have noticed that the
areas in which the ban is applied has shrunk considerably and now only
covers specific areas where certain machinery is working. I have never seen
staff using cellphones there. Over here I suspect that we take officialdom
without the same degree of cynicism.
Perhaps we should.
Your approach to your aircraft building inspectors is a case in point. Over
here the Inpector is looked on as the backstop if you have made a building
error, poor workmanship, Cof G outside limits etc.,. The Inspector is viewed
as a friend who will stop you killing yourself. From the posts on this list
you view the Inspector as someone to be deceived if at all possible.
Everyone seems to be pushing the envelope and trying to see what they can
get away with. How much do I have to tell him?Can I drill an extra hole and
will the Inspector notice? Hornswoggled is a word that springs to mind.
I am not suggesting this approach is necessarily wrong. Just different.
Maybe its the `can do` attitude that has given you the Experimental category
which is the catalyst.
Whatever it is its very refreshing to someone from the somewhat stuffy,
hidebound culture of the Old World over here.
Cheers
Pat
Do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: JACK HART <jbhart@ldd.net>
Pat,
And then there is AC 103-7 where one has no one looking over your shoulder except
if you fly in to a controlled airport. No N number, no certificate of airworthness,
no required inspections, etc.
It is the most unfettered way to fly, but you must do it alone and meet a few other
requirments and it is all legal.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
-----Original Message-----
From: PATRICK LADD <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sun`n`fun
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Hi All,
thanks to everyone who replied to my query about Kolbs at Sun`n`Fun.
Looks as though I shall have to force myself to take another trip to the
States to visit an airshow. Aint life hell!
Your take on the cell phone question is most enlightening. Everyone suspects
`authority` of being up to something, creating a monopoly or some other
skullduggery.That I can understand, but `cui bono` who benefits from
restricting the use of cellphones in hospitals. I have noticed that the
areas in which the ban is applied has shrunk considerably and now only
covers specific areas where certain machinery is working. I have never seen
staff using cellphones there. Over here I suspect that we take officialdom
without the same degree of cynicism.
Perhaps we should.
Your approach to your aircraft building inspectors is a case in point. Over
here the Inpector is looked on as the backstop if you have made a building
error, poor workmanship, Cof G outside limits etc.,. The Inspector is viewed
as a friend who will stop you killing yourself. From the posts on this list
you view the Inspector as someone to be deceived if at all possible.
Everyone seems to be pushing the envelope and trying to see what they can
get away with. How much do I have to tell him?Can I drill an extra hole and
will the Inspector notice? Hornswoggled is a word that springs to mind.
I am not suggesting this approach is necessarily wrong. Just different.
Maybe its the `can do` attitude that has given you the Experimental category
which is the catalyst.
Whatever it is its very refreshing to someone from the somewhat stuffy,
hidebound culture of the Old World over here.
Cheers
Pat
Do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Excellent insight, but along with your observation there is something else
- it depends a lot on who is going to be doing the inspecting. Some will
come and look at the paperwork, check for all the required placards and
markings, sign the papers and leave, never getting involved with the actual
construction -or lack of- the airplane. (first hand experience)
Some inspectors have a "factory mentality." Unless it is very
conservative, done the same way a manufacturer would do it, and is right to
plans, they freak out. Some are unable to think outside the traditional box.
Others take the attitude "if the weight and balance are reasonable and the
workmanship is good, if proper practices have been followed, why not?"
Imagine the challenge faced by the guy who inspected Burt Rutan's first
VariEze...
Years ago, before I ever started my first project, I had an inspector tell
me "you can build it out of angle iron if you want to, as long as you
follow good practices. (AC 43.13) On the other hand, we reserve the option
of giving you operating restrictions that won't let you out of ground
effect, or beyond the airport boundary until you prove your odd ideas are
going to work." I like that, and I can work with it. In fact, that's half
the fun.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 11:06 AM 9/24/2004 +0100, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
>Hi All,
>
>thanks to everyone who replied to my query about Kolbs at Sun`n`Fun.
>Looks as though I shall have to force myself to take another trip to the
>States to visit an airshow. Aint life hell!
<snip>
>Your approach to your aircraft building inspectors is a case in point. Over
>here the Inpector is looked on as the backstop if you have made a building
>error, poor workmanship, Cof G outside limits etc.,. The Inspector is viewed
>as a friend who will stop you killing yourself. From the posts on this list
>you view the Inspector as someone to be deceived if at all possible.
>Everyone seems to be pushing the envelope and trying to see what they can
>get away with. How much do I have to tell him?Can I drill an extra hole and
>will the Inspector notice? Hornswoggled is a word that springs to mind.
>
>I am not suggesting this approach is necessarily wrong. Just different.
>Maybe its the `can do` attitude that has given you the Experimental category
>which is the catalyst.
>Whatever it is its very refreshing to someone from the somewhat stuffy,
>hidebound culture of the Old World over here.
>
>Cheers
>
>Pat
>
>Do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Kolbers, (excepting those at TNK...weather looks good for your event)
Wednesday I flew my MkIII back to my home strip, a whole 15 minute ride
with
a tailwind. A lovely morning of the last day of summer.
The suzuki was a proof of concept. Plucked from an abandoned
geo metro, bolted on the redrive, made a homemade induction system
including a carb from a Karmann Ghia. It had the equivalent of 2200
hours on it and by the end of 10 hours flying it was starting to wheeze.
The results were positive however and I am pleased with it as
a suitable powerplant for my 590 lb Kolb. Therefore it will get a kind
and loving rebuild in my shop this winter.
Yesterday I started a cardboard template for doors which had to be done
before snatching off the wings. -had to know where they would interfere
with the leading edge.
Now to get a few other things done, I hate to be a one trick pony.
-BB, do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
"you can build it out of angle iron if you want to, as long as you
follow good practice`>>
Hi,
I like that. Sensible approach.
I assume that your inspectors are FAA appointed?
Here they are just ordinary members of the Popular Flying Assoc. or the
British Microlight Aircraft Assoc. who have the required engineering
background and are willing to put something back into the sport. They put
themselves on the line in every way beacause although we are not quite as
litigous as you are if a machine is signed off which is subsequently found
to be faulty heads will roll.
Many will do inspections for no fee. Many charge expenses only. Some make a
`proper` charge.
When I started building my Challenger I was sent a list of inspectors by the
PFA and merely found one in my area who was willing to take it on. I
subsequently found that he had an Air Force engineering background.
My inspector visited a couple of times fairly early in the construction
programme, checked the workmanship, made suggestions. He visited probably 7
times in all. He accepted my weight and balance figures, which I had
massaged very slightly as the guy who did the paint job was an aircraft
restorer who did not appreciate the weight problems with microlights and
signed it off. I paid him expenses for driving from a town 10 miles away.
There is no way that he could impose restrictions on how,where or when I
flew. I was either legal or I was not.
The dealers test pilot did the first flight.
Since then I have had an Inspector ( a different one) do each of the annual
C of A checks. He certainly checks for placards and other legal requirements
but he also physically checks, cables, possible points of wear, hinges,
engine, prop, etc and makes sure that all mandatory mods have been carried
out. For instance the PFA insisted last year that a third hinge be inserted
between the 2 existing ones on the rudder and that the clevis pins on the
tail plane struts be replaced by locked nuts and bolts. After all these
years, and on a folding tailplane but there you go!. He also pulled the prop
through, listened to the Rotax 503, didn`t like the noise and ordered it
stripped down and wouldn`t sign it off until it was done.I was not a happy
bunny about this but on stripping out the gearbox it was found that the
large retaining nut had come loose and was floating around among the remains
of a bearing. It would certainly have brought me to earth in the very near
future had I decided to go on flying. That inspector always flew my machine
and threw it about in a way which I would never have done. This always left
me with great confidence in the aircraft. He charged me about 60 ($40)
This year I had to use another inspector. He checked the legal requirements,
replace old placards etc, inspected the a/c but he left me to do the test
flight.. He signed the paperwork . There was no charge. I gave him a bottle
of single malt whisky. I shall want to use him next year. On the 3Extra the
year after. I hope..
Cheers
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
there is AC 103-7 where one has no one looking over your shoulder except if
you fly in to a controlled airport. No N number, no certificate of
airworthness, no required inspections, etc.>>
Hmmm.We dont have anything like that.
You can build a glider and fly it on your own property any way you like, but
the moment you put an engine on it you are in trouble.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: short summer |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Tell us some specifics, rate of climb, size of prop, powerplant/redrive
weight,stuff like that.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 09:12 AM 9/24/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
<snip>
>The suzuki was a proof of concept. Plucked from an abandoned
>geo metro, bolted on the redrive, made a homemade induction system
>including a carb from a Karmann Ghia. It had the equivalent of 2200
>hours on it and by the end of 10 hours flying it was starting to wheeze.
>The results were positive however and I am pleased with it as
>a suitable powerplant for my 590 lb Kolb. Therefore it will get a kind
>and loving rebuild in my shop this winter.
>
>-BB, do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: short summer |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
C'mon Richard, you know what I've been wrenching on.........
Engine: 993cc suzuki 3cyl, 4 stroke, supposedly ~50hp.
redrive: raven cogbelt, 2.26:1
prop: 65" powerfin, 3 blade
weight: was 590 lbs but will be lighter (me, still 160)
observed useful engine rpms 4500-5200
Engine weight: beats me, all the accessories were added after
I stuck it on top. Maybe I'll weigh it this winter.
Rate of climb: don't have one of those VSI thingys but it looks
promising. A little longer gear legs would pop it off the ground
a little earlier but that's no big deal for me as it seems to get
into ground effect at about 35 mph no flaps.
I drilled new holes for the aileron crank arms (two sets) but will
have to fab longer rods to use them.
noise: quiet engine, noisy prop
Fuel consumption: this is the best part....somewhere in the 2 GPH range.
Reliability: keeps on tickin', although dual ignition and fuel systems
would be a plus. The mid 80s GM electronic ignition is reliable
The Facet pump I have no previous experience with.
Ease of flying: aside from heavy ailerons in a steep bank and the
popping
up and down due to the low wing loading in gusty air, very easy to
land, seems to trim itself with power reduction in a glide. No tendency
to ground loop. Rudder will not bring a low wing up.
If I find myself two feet off the ground and it is running out of
speed, just
a little touch of throttle will ease it to the grass nicely.
My first experience with a redrive, once I got used to it, I like the
prop braking effect with a closed throttle.
Can't think of anything more at the moment. -BB (sport pilot)
MkIII, N3851E, parked for the season, straight legs by virtue of a nice
looong
grass strip. Bush hogging a few acres. do not archive
On 24, Sep 2004, at 3:49 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> Tell us some specifics, rate of climb, size of prop, powerplant/redrive
> weight,stuff like that.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> At 09:12 AM 9/24/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
> <snip>
>
>
>> The suzuki was a proof of concept. Plucked from an abandoned
>> geo metro, bolted on the redrive, made a homemade induction system
>> including a carb from a Karmann Ghia. It had the equivalent of 2200
>> hours on it and by the end of 10 hours flying it was starting to
>> wheeze.
>> The results were positive however and I am pleased with it as
>> a suitable powerplant for my 590 lb Kolb. Therefore it will get a
>> kind
>> and loving rebuild in my shop this winter.
>>
>> -BB, do not archive
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Seeking Malcolm Brubaker |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Abbott" <jrabbott@chartermi.net>
Malcom's telephone no is 989-631-0714
----- Original Message -----
From: "kfackler" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Seeking Malcolm Brubaker
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
>
> Malcolm, if you see this message please contact me off-list at:
>
> kfackler@ameritech.net
>
> do not archive
>
> -Ken Fackler
> Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
> Rochester MI
>
>
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| Subject: | Firestar II with 582 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
Today, we took Chuck Reinert's FS II 582 on a short cross country after
re-pitching the prop [rpm's a little too high], & raising the needles a notch
[EGT's a little too high].
Chuck can still outclimb me by a LITTLE [not bad for an almost 300 lb. guy].
Cruises at 60 mph @5200 rpm. Time will tell about fuel burn.
Looking forward to the TNK Fly-In tomorrow.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
Bob,
You have gone where few men dare to go. I'll be looking forward to
your next flight report. .... Richard Swiderski
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert bean
Subject: Kolb-List: short summer
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Kolbers, (excepting those at TNK...weather looks good for your event)
Wednesday I flew my MkIII back to my home strip, a whole 15 minute ride
with
a tailwind. A lovely morning of the last day of summer.
The suzuki was a proof of concept. Plucked from an abandoned
geo metro, bolted on the redrive, made a homemade induction system
including a carb from a Karmann Ghia. It had the equivalent of 2200
hours on it and by the end of 10 hours flying it was starting to wheeze.
The results were positive however and I am pleased with it as
a suitable powerplant for my 590 lb Kolb. Therefore it will get a kind
and loving rebuild in my shop this winter.
Yesterday I started a cardboard template for doors which had to be done
before snatching off the wings. -had to know where they would interfere
with the leading edge.
Now to get a few other things done, I hate to be a one trick pony.
-BB, do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
Richard,
CONTACT! Magazine (it focuses on auto engine conversions to
aircraft) ran an article on the 3cyl Geo engine (Suzuki G-10). The factory
carb version dyno'ed out 58hp @ 5600. Throttle body injection got 62, &
multiport injection got 64hp. The torque curve is virtually flat from 3600
to 6000. With redrives, they weigh out from 140 to 160lb. My turbo version
is projected to weigh 175 lb & put out 107 lbs torque at 3600.
Richard Swiderski
SlingShot 003
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: short summer
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Tell us some specifics, rate of climb, size of prop, powerplant/redrive
weight,stuff like that.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 09:12 AM 9/24/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
<snip>
>The suzuki was a proof of concept. Plucked from an abandoned
>geo metro, bolted on the redrive, made a homemade induction system
>including a carb from a Karmann Ghia. It had the equivalent of 2200
>hours on it and by the end of 10 hours flying it was starting to wheeze.
>The results were positive however and I am pleased with it as
>a suitable powerplant for my 590 lb Kolb. Therefore it will get a kind
>and loving rebuild in my shop this winter.
>
>-BB, do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II with 582 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Be sure and flag me down tomorrow, our FSII/582 project doesn't need to re
invent the wheel, would appreciate suggestions.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
At 09:43 PM 9/24/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
>
>Today, we took Chuck Reinert's FS II 582 on a short cross country after
>re-pitching the prop [rpm's a little too high], & raising the needles a notch
>[EGT's a little too high].
>
>Chuck can still outclimb me by a LITTLE [not bad for an almost 300 lb. guy].
>Cruises at 60 mph @5200 rpm. Time will tell about fuel burn.
>
>Looking forward to the TNK Fly-In tomorrow.
>
>Howard Shackleford
>FS II
>SC
>
>
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