Kolb-List Digest Archive

Wed 09/29/04


Total Messages Posted: 21



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 07:07 AM - Re: Disapointed in Discovery (N27SB@aol.com)
     2. 09:31 AM - Re: Disapointed in Discovery (Ian Heritch)
     3. 10:52 AM - Re: Disappointed in Discovery (James, Ken)
     4. 11:06 AM - Re: Disappointed in Discovery (Wm2335@aol.com)
     5. 11:30 AM - Re: Disappointed in Discovery (N27SB@aol.com)
     6. 11:36 AM - To Ken fackler (Tom Yilk)
     7. 11:40 AM - Re: Disappointed in Discovery (N27SB@aol.com)
     8. 11:45 AM - To Roger (Tom Yilk)
     9. 11:52 AM - Re: To Ken fackler (J.D. Stewart)
    10. 02:51 PM - Re: 2003 twinstar (woody)
    11. 04:47 PM - Re: Kolb/Jabi (John Abbott)
    12. 05:22 PM - Re: Kolb/Jabi (Kirk Smith)
    13. 06:04 PM - Re: Hurricane (Richard Swiderwski)
    14. 06:05 PM - Re: Kolb/Jabi (Jerry Curtin)
    15. 07:55 PM - Re: > Good news , Bad news (John Hauck)
    16. 08:15 PM - Re: Jabiru Engines and Kolbs (John Hauck)
    17. 08:24 PM - Re: > Good news , Bad news (Robert Laird)
    18. 09:22 PM - Re: My recent trip to TNK Homecoming 2004 (John Hauck)
    19. 09:35 PM - Airport Access (Comcast)
    20. 10:19 PM - tail support (Larry Cottrell)
    21. 11:23 PM - Re: Throttle conversion (Carl Trollope)
 
 
 


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    Time: 07:07:38 AM PST US
    From: N27SB@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Disapointed in Discovery
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com Just saw Discovery Channel's coverage on Osh 2004. They focused on Jets and other aircraft that none of us can afford.The only small ac that they featured was an imported complete LSPA.What happened to made in the USA? They did start off with a quick 60 second comment from Homer. I thought that EAA was about airplanes that you and I can build and innovations that we come up with. I thought that they missed the point and also lost the opportunity to inspire new individuals to our sport. No wonder participation in these events is dwindling. this is just my opinion. Disapointed in Orlando Steve B do not archive


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    Time: 09:31:27 AM PST US
    From: "Ian Heritch" <iheritch@satx.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Disapointed in Discovery
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ian Heritch" <iheritch@satx.rr.com> Second year in a row they missed the point. ----- Original Message ----- From: <N27SB@aol.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Disapointed in Discovery > --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com > > Just saw Discovery Channel's coverage on Osh 2004. They focused on Jets > and > other aircraft that none of us can afford.The only small ac that they > featured > was an imported complete LSPA.What happened to made in the USA? They did > start > off with a quick 60 second comment from Homer. I thought that EAA was > about > airplanes that you and I can build and innovations that we come up with. I > thought that they missed the point and also lost the opportunity to > inspire new > individuals to our sport. No wonder participation in these events is > dwindling. > this is just my opinion. > > Disapointed in Orlando > Steve B > do not archive > > >


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    Time: 10:52:59 AM PST US
    From: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
    Subject: Disappointed in Discovery
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com> I too was disappointed so I wrote EAA about it. What good it does I don't know but if you don't let them know ... Ken -----Original Message----- From: Ian Heritch [mailto:iheritch@satx.rr.com] Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Disapointed in Discovery --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ian Heritch" <iheritch@satx.rr.com> Second year in a row they missed the point. ----- Original Message ----- From: <N27SB@aol.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Disapointed in Discovery > --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com > > Just saw Discovery Channel's coverage on Osh 2004. They focused on Jets > and > other aircraft that none of us can afford.The only small ac that they > featured > was an imported complete LSPA.What happened to made in the USA? They did > start > off with a quick 60 second comment from Homer. I thought that EAA was > about > airplanes that you and I can build and innovations that we come up with. I > thought that they missed the point and also lost the opportunity to > inspire new > individuals to our sport. No wonder participation in these events is > dwindling. > this is just my opinion. > > Disapointed in Orlando > Steve B > do not archive > > >


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    Time: 11:06:59 AM PST US
    From: Wm2335@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Disappointed in Discovery
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Wm2335@aol.com That is exactly why as a local EAA chapter president....I prefer Sun-n-fun.......Bye the way to all of you kolbers if it wasn't for the great guys at Kolb at this last years Florida gathering....I would not be the proud owner of Kobra # 4.... THANKS BRIAN FOR THE FLIGHT IN THE FACTORY KOLBRA...... 14 years in ultralights and experimentals and this one will be the icing on the cake......I have 32 years auto collision and painting, wife has 28 years as corporate aviation specialist in business jets......RETIRED..... Wayne McCullough EAA Chapter 330 (new homepage)


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    Time: 11:30:54 AM PST US
    From: N27SB@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Disappointed in Discovery
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com


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    Time: 11:36:54 AM PST US
    From: "Tom Yilk" <bmwon@charter.net>
    Subject: To Ken fackler
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tom Yilk" <bmwon@charter.net> Thank for the info your wisdom will help me in my decision. Tom Yilk


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    Time: 11:40:59 AM PST US
    From: N27SB@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Disappointed in Discovery
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com In a message dated 9/29/04 12:53:43 PM Central Daylight Time, KDJames@berkscareer.com writes: > I too was disappointed so I wrote EAA about it. What good it does I don't > know but if you don't let them know ... > > Ken > > I sent an email to Discovery channel with my sentiments, I am also sending one to EAA. I suspect that the EAA was probably the cause of the choices. That is because the main focus at Airventure2004 was on things that we as individuals cannot afford nor did we build. Maybe the EAA is now only interested in fiiling their pocket with money from gate addmission and sales of EAA gifts to non airplane people and you have to have the big fancy stuff to create that draw. OK, I will get off the soapbox now and go back to building my little Firefly and designing floats and landing gear that the average guy can build. Disappointed in EAA Steve B


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    Time: 11:45:00 AM PST US
    From: "Tom Yilk" <bmwon@charter.net>
    Subject: To Roger
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tom Yilk" <bmwon@charter.net> Thanks for the info, you have told me some of the things I"m looking for. I have been associated with the BMW Motorcycle group for 30 years. I understand what a good group can do for your enjoyment of a sport. If I buy a Klob I hope to see all of you at some time or another. Thanks Tom Yilk


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    Time: 11:52:12 AM PST US
    From: "J.D. Stewart" <jstewart@inebraska.com>
    Subject: To Ken fackler
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "J.D. Stewart" <jstewart@inebraska.com> Tom, are you in Hastings, NE? I missed a phone call Sunday night by a couple minutes, and the caller ID had your name on it. Thanks, J.D. Stewart UltraFun AirSports, LLC http://www.ultrafunairsports.com Challenger e-mail list http://challenger.inebraska.com Titan e-mail list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/ > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Yilk > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 1:37 PM > To: klob list > Subject: Kolb-List: To Ken fackler > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tom Yilk" <bmwon@charter.net> > > Thank for the info your wisdom will help me in my decision. > Tom Yilk > >


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    Time: 02:51:13 PM PST US
    From: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
    Subject: Re: 2003 twinstar
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net> I enjoy my twinstar. It is powered by the 55 h p Hirth. Expect a cruise of 60-65. I would not take a Challenger. I flew 2 of them last winter and they scared me to death. The Kolb is gentle and a high performer a very unusual combination. The Challenger is aptly named and you will constantly be chasing the wandering front nose all the time. Ignore the comments pointing out that Kolb is a tail dragger. That is only true for the first 50 feet while the tail is down. After that it is a non issue. Kolbs are the most forgiving tail draggers out there. Buy the Twinstar and have a great time. Lets not forget the quick folding of the Kolb. I can do my Twinstar in under 15 minutes. One more unmentioned point about the Twinstar is it's easy entry. Just walk into the frame and sit down. No crawling around and pulling you feet in or any of the other contortions getting into any other aircraft. It is also the best camera plane out there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Yilk" <bmwon@charter.net> Subject: Kolb-List: 2003 twinstar > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tom Yilk" <bmwon@charter.net> > > Hi out there I'm new to the list, > I would like to get a fat ultra lite or a plane that will qualify as a sport > plane > Is a good twinstar with a 503 single carb a good choice for a starter > plane. > What kind of cruse speed can I expect, I will usually be flying by myself. > I have followed klob over the years and have looked at many others. I'm also > looking at a challanger but the twinstar looks better to me. > Please educate me on the pros and cons of the Klob twinstar. > Thanks > Tom Yilk > Hasting NE > >


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    Time: 04:47:52 PM PST US
    From: "John Abbott" <jrabbott@chartermi.net>
    Subject: Re: Kolb/Jabi
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Abbott" <jrabbott@chartermi.net> John, I just started building a Mark III Xtra ( a new subscriber) and planned to utilize a Jabiru 2200 with a three blade nickel edged Warp Drive prop for the power configuration. There are 3 Jabiru powered homebuilt aircraft on our field and all are meeting or exceeding the builder's performance expectations. There is only one basic difference in application, they are "pulling" the aircraft instead of "pushing" it. Do you believe that there might be a causal relationship between the rapid rise of CHT's and the push configuration or is the problem generic to Jabiru's ? I am about to place a hold payment on a 2200 Jabiru so I need your good counsel and the collective wisdom of the subscribers. Thanks for your help. John Abbott Midland, MI ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Kolb/Jabi > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net> > > Hi Pat and all prospective Jabiru fliers, > > You have about 5 minutes of ground run time before the CHT's hit their > limits. > > In the air, you have to use the company furnished air cowlings for proper > cooling. At speeds below 90 knots you can only run at 2800 rpm or higher for > short lengths of time before the CHT's again exceed their limits. > > You will most likely not be satisfied with the climb and cruise performance > you get from the Jabiru when installed on a Kolb MarkIII Xtra, Classic or a > Kolbra. These airframes just can't sustain the speed needed to keep the > CHT's down. > > If you use a Jabiru engine and it isn't what you expected, please don't > blame it on the airframe you put it on. > > > John Williamson > Arlington, TX > > Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 682 hours > http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot > Zenith CH701 Project > http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane > http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane > > do not archive > >


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    Time: 05:22:14 PM PST US
    From: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
    Subject: Re: Kolb/Jabi
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com> Do you believe that there might be a causal relationship between the rapid > rise of CHT's and the push configuration or is the problem generic to > Jabiru's ? I know that it's always cooler standing in the propwash behind a plane than it is standing in front of a spinning prop.........snuf Do not archive


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    Time: 06:04:51 PM PST US
    From: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Hurricane
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net> Kolbers, We got electricity & phone back. George's FS & my SS survived #4! Had some minor damage to the shop & will spend the next several weekends picking up. County has been declared a disaster area. Richard Swiderski Ocala FL Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of H MITCHELL Subject: Kolb-List: Hurricane --> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com> The big four have come and gone and we were lucky here in Tallahassee. Jeanne passed through as a windy rain storm. My Mk3 sat snug in her hangar and we didn't loose a single shingle from our house. Sure hope you boys down south and west did as well and that the balance of this season is more gentle to us all. I am planning to go to my hangar on Wednesday morning for more stall testing if the weather gets just a little better. Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL do not archive


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    Time: 06:05:17 PM PST US
    From: "Jerry Curtin" <jcurtin@cableone.net>
    Subject: Re: Kolb/Jabi
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Curtin" <jcurtin@cableone.net> John, Thanks for the insight on the Jabiru engines. It's info like this that I was hoping to really get into at the fly in but this is just as good. You say that the 100hp is a little overkill. Will the 80hp do as well with a cs prop? Craig Nelson has designed a beautiful cowl for the 912 and it sure cleans up the plane a bunch. Hope to talk to you again soon. Would it be ok to call? Thanks again, Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Kolb/Jabi > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net> > > Hi Pat and all prospective Jabiru fliers, > > You have about 5 minutes of ground run time before the CHT's hit their > limits. > > In the air, you have to use the company furnished air cowlings for proper > cooling. At speeds below 90 knots you can only run at 2800 rpm or higher for > short lengths of time before the CHT's again exceed their limits. > > You will most likely not be satisfied with the climb and cruise performance > you get from the Jabiru when installed on a Kolb MarkIII Xtra, Classic or a > Kolbra. These airframes just can't sustain the speed needed to keep the > CHT's down. > > If you use a Jabiru engine and it isn't what you expected, please don't > blame it on the airframe you put it on. > > > John Williamson > Arlington, TX > > Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 682 hours > http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot > Zenith CH701 Project > http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane > http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane > > do not archive > >


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    Time: 07:55:23 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: > Good news , Bad news
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> |I ordered a warp which | came in today. I think those warps are a lot tougher. | Giovanni Day Giovanni/Gang: Wonder why John Hauck has been flying in front of Warp Drive Props since 1993? Would not leave home without one. :-) john h PS: Got back from London, Ky, and the mountains north of Oak Ridge, TN, tonight. Surprise!!! I have cable modem again, but still got a screwed up telephone. :-( DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 08:15:17 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Jabiru Engines and Kolbs
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> | The 100 hp is just a little overkill but I | can climb faster than most Kolbs flying. | | | John Williamson John W/Gang: You got that right! hehehe Course, we aren't sure my old MKIII wasn't hauling a lot more weight over the Rockies than your Kolbra. john h DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 08:24:23 PM PST US
    From: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
    Subject: Re: > Good news , Bad news
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com> At 09:55 PM 9/29/2004, you wrote: >TN, tonight. Surprise!!! I have cable modem again, but still got a >screwed up telephone. :-( If you have cable modem, then you can use VOIP... check out http://www.vonage.com -- Robert DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 09:22:10 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: My recent trip to TNK Homecoming 2004
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> photos taken | at the Homecoming. | John Williamson Hi John W/Gang: Enjoyed looking at and reliving the recent Kolb Homecoming. Thanks for posting the picture of Gantt IAP. Miss P'fer wasn't too happy about staying at home and missing all the fun, but couldn't do any better with no tail. BTW: All my XC flights, for the past 20 years, originated from this cow pasture on the old Gantt Farm. Thanks again, john h PS: Haven't unloaded the 5th wheel. Will resupply and head out for Evergreen, AL, and the SE EAA Regional Flyin this weekend. See ya'll there. DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 09:35:39 PM PST US
    From: Comcast <davis207@comcast.net>
    Subject: Airport Access
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Comcast <davis207@comcast.net> I've recently moved, and am looking for a new home for the Firefly. While it can stay put, I'd rather not have to drive 60 miles each way. I've started checking local airports arounf here (Phoenixville, PA). Perkiomen (N10) looked very promising; close, small and friendly. Today, I called and spoke with the manager, who was real nice untill I said "ultralight". The response was "we don't allow ultralights". If I N-numbered it, he did allow that he'd be willing to "take a look at it." I understand you attract more flies with honey then vineger, and was very polite with him. He said he'd had ultralights crash and people get killed, and he's fielded calls from an angry wife accusing him of having "killed my husband." Also, he says, no matter what happened, even away from the airport, the airport's name "gets dragged into it." I told him I understood, and did not press the issue. He says he just doesn't want any more of "those calls." While I can hardly force him to rent me a hanger, I'd like to know the rules regarding access. My understanding from a scan of the archives is that public airports (registered, not owned...this is a privately owned, public use airport) can not prohibit legal activity. A few questions if any one can direct me: 1. Is there a regulation that is explicit about this? 2. Is it dependent upon them ever receiving federal money? 3. How can I find out if they have received federal monay? Thanks, Chuck


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    Time: 10:19:11 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
    Subject: tail support
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net> Hi, Just got back from a recent trip to the desert, and thought that I might add a cheap and easy way to support the wings of a trailered Kolb. I made the trip to Monument Valley, pulling my Firestar II about 2600 or more miles with the wings hanging off the tail boom. I support the tail boom, but not the wings. Of course the roads were rough and one worries about the wear of all the bumps on the attach points. This time I went to the tire store and got a discarded inner tube. After I had the plane loaded in the trailer I slid the deflated tire under the wings and simply inflated it until I got the support that I wanted. (My lifting device raises the tail wheel off the floor about three inches.) When I got there I took out the valve stem, took the deflated tube out, unloaded my plane and that was that. Cheap and simple. Some of the metal valve caps have the little gismos on them to remove the stem, making it easy to use. regards Larry, Oregon


    Message 21


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    Time: 11:23:12 PM PST US
    From: "Carl Trollope" <flash_too@yahoo.co.uk>
    Subject: Throttle conversion
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Carl Trollope" <flash_too@yahoo.co.uk> Hi, from another Brit on the list.... I have just acquired a Mk111 after having thoroughly looked at all other options...in the price category... I chose the Kolb because of its' tremendous view..... short field capacity..... and because it is supposed to be the easiest tail dragger out there I am in the process of converting to 3 axis from flexwing and only have a few hours at the moment but am already impressed with its flying Mine has a second throttle fitted to the centre tube which means the right seat occupant has to fly left hand on stick and reach across with the right to use the throttle.... not to good an idea.... oh and mine is a microlight with a 582... The only other comment concerns the landing which seems to elude its previous owner as it appears to blow through the flare every time...approaching at 55mph half flap glide approach....?? Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of PATRICK LADD Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Throttle conversion --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> I have recently joined this group, being one of a syndicate of three which has bought a flying Kolb Mk.III. This aircraft has the short wings and is classed as a Group A aircraft in the UK (ie. not a microlight)>> Hi Martin, Welcome to the list from one of the few Limeys here. I live near Bath and I am waiting for the delivery of 111 Extra Kit. What made you go for the `A` cat? I am hoping to install a Jabi on mine which will be a microlight cat. I have been flying a Eurostar with the 912 for the last year and liked it but the 912 takes the Extra into Class`A`. Being unwilling to give up the foustroke advantages the Jabiru it has to be. Have you had much experience with the 111. What sort of performance? Contact me off line if you like Pat Ladd pj.ladd@btinternet.com Do not Archive




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