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1. 07:07 AM - Re: Disapointed in Discovery (N27SB@aol.com)
2. 09:31 AM - Re: Disapointed in Discovery (Ian Heritch)
3. 10:52 AM - Re: Disappointed in Discovery (James, Ken)
4. 11:06 AM - Re: Disappointed in Discovery (Wm2335@aol.com)
5. 11:30 AM - Re: Disappointed in Discovery (N27SB@aol.com)
6. 11:36 AM - To Ken fackler (Tom Yilk)
7. 11:40 AM - Re: Disappointed in Discovery (N27SB@aol.com)
8. 11:45 AM - To Roger (Tom Yilk)
9. 11:52 AM - Re: To Ken fackler (J.D. Stewart)
10. 02:51 PM - Re: 2003 twinstar (woody)
11. 04:47 PM - Re: Kolb/Jabi (John Abbott)
12. 05:22 PM - Re: Kolb/Jabi (Kirk Smith)
13. 06:04 PM - Re: Hurricane (Richard Swiderwski)
14. 06:05 PM - Re: Kolb/Jabi (Jerry Curtin)
15. 07:55 PM - Re: > Good news , Bad news (John Hauck)
16. 08:15 PM - Re: Jabiru Engines and Kolbs (John Hauck)
17. 08:24 PM - Re: > Good news , Bad news (Robert Laird)
18. 09:22 PM - Re: My recent trip to TNK Homecoming 2004 (John Hauck)
19. 09:35 PM - Airport Access (Comcast)
20. 10:19 PM - tail support (Larry Cottrell)
21. 11:23 PM - Re: Throttle conversion (Carl Trollope)
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Subject: | Re: Disapointed in Discovery |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
Just saw Discovery Channel's coverage on Osh 2004. They focused on Jets and
other aircraft that none of us can afford.The only small ac that they featured
was an imported complete LSPA.What happened to made in the USA? They did start
off with a quick 60 second comment from Homer. I thought that EAA was about
airplanes that you and I can build and innovations that we come up with. I
thought that they missed the point and also lost the opportunity to inspire new
individuals to our sport. No wonder participation in these events is dwindling.
this is just my opinion.
Disapointed in Orlando
Steve B
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Subject: | Re: Disapointed in Discovery |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ian Heritch" <iheritch@satx.rr.com>
Second year in a row they missed the point.
----- Original Message -----
From: <N27SB@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Disapointed in Discovery
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
>
> Just saw Discovery Channel's coverage on Osh 2004. They focused on Jets
> and
> other aircraft that none of us can afford.The only small ac that they
> featured
> was an imported complete LSPA.What happened to made in the USA? They did
> start
> off with a quick 60 second comment from Homer. I thought that EAA was
> about
> airplanes that you and I can build and innovations that we come up with. I
> thought that they missed the point and also lost the opportunity to
> inspire new
> individuals to our sport. No wonder participation in these events is
> dwindling.
> this is just my opinion.
>
> Disapointed in Orlando
> Steve B
> do not archive
>
>
>
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Subject: | Disappointed in Discovery |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
I too was disappointed so I wrote EAA about it. What good it does I don't
know but if you don't let them know ...
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Heritch [mailto:iheritch@satx.rr.com]
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Disapointed in Discovery
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ian Heritch" <iheritch@satx.rr.com>
Second year in a row they missed the point.
----- Original Message -----
From: <N27SB@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Disapointed in Discovery
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
>
> Just saw Discovery Channel's coverage on Osh 2004. They focused on Jets
> and
> other aircraft that none of us can afford.The only small ac that they
> featured
> was an imported complete LSPA.What happened to made in the USA? They did
> start
> off with a quick 60 second comment from Homer. I thought that EAA was
> about
> airplanes that you and I can build and innovations that we come up with. I
> thought that they missed the point and also lost the opportunity to
> inspire new
> individuals to our sport. No wonder participation in these events is
> dwindling.
> this is just my opinion.
>
> Disapointed in Orlando
> Steve B
> do not archive
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Disappointed in Discovery |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Wm2335@aol.com
That is exactly why as a local EAA chapter president....I prefer
Sun-n-fun.......Bye the way to all of you kolbers if it wasn't for the great guys
at Kolb
at this last years Florida gathering....I would not be the proud owner of
Kobra # 4....
THANKS BRIAN FOR THE FLIGHT IN THE FACTORY KOLBRA...... 14 years in
ultralights and experimentals and this one will be the icing on the cake......I
have
32 years auto collision and painting, wife has 28 years as corporate aviation
specialist in business jets......RETIRED.....
Wayne McCullough
EAA Chapter 330 (new homepage)
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Subject: | Re: Disappointed in Discovery |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tom Yilk" <bmwon@charter.net>
Thank for the info your wisdom will help me in my decision.
Tom Yilk
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Subject: | Re: Disappointed in Discovery |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 9/29/04 12:53:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
KDJames@berkscareer.com writes:
> I too was disappointed so I wrote EAA about it. What good it does I don't
> know but if you don't let them know ...
>
> Ken
>
>
I sent an email to Discovery channel with my sentiments, I am also sending
one to EAA. I suspect that the EAA was probably the cause of the choices. That
is because the main focus at Airventure2004 was on things that we as
individuals
cannot afford nor did we build. Maybe the EAA is now only interested in
fiiling their pocket with money from gate addmission and sales of EAA gifts to
non
airplane people and you have to have the big fancy stuff to create that draw.
OK, I will get off the soapbox now and go back to building my little Firefly
and designing floats and landing gear that the average guy can build.
Disappointed in EAA
Steve B
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tom Yilk" <bmwon@charter.net>
Thanks for the info, you have told me some of the things I"m looking for. I
have been associated with the BMW Motorcycle group for 30 years. I
understand what a good group can do for your enjoyment of a sport. If I buy
a Klob I hope to see all of you at some time or another.
Thanks
Tom Yilk
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "J.D. Stewart" <jstewart@inebraska.com>
Tom, are you in Hastings, NE? I missed a phone call Sunday night by a
couple minutes, and the caller ID had your name on it.
Thanks,
J.D. Stewart
UltraFun AirSports, LLC
http://www.ultrafunairsports.com
Challenger e-mail list
http://challenger.inebraska.com
Titan e-mail list
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Yilk
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 1:37 PM
> To: klob list
> Subject: Kolb-List: To Ken fackler
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tom Yilk" <bmwon@charter.net>
>
> Thank for the info your wisdom will help me in my decision.
> Tom Yilk
>
>
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Subject: | Re: 2003 twinstar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
I enjoy my twinstar. It is powered by the 55 h p Hirth. Expect a cruise of
60-65. I would not take a Challenger. I flew 2 of them last winter and they
scared me to death. The Kolb is gentle and a high performer a very unusual
combination. The Challenger is aptly named and you will constantly be
chasing the wandering front nose all the time. Ignore the comments pointing
out that Kolb is a tail dragger. That is only true for the first 50 feet
while the tail is down. After that it is a non issue. Kolbs are the most
forgiving tail draggers out there. Buy the Twinstar and have a great time.
Lets not forget the quick folding of the Kolb. I can do my Twinstar in under
15 minutes. One more unmentioned point about the Twinstar is it's easy
entry. Just walk into the frame and sit down. No crawling around and pulling
you feet in or any of the other contortions getting into any other aircraft.
It is also the best camera plane out there.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Yilk" <bmwon@charter.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: 2003 twinstar
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tom Yilk" <bmwon@charter.net>
>
> Hi out there I'm new to the list,
> I would like to get a fat ultra lite or a plane that will qualify as a
sport
> plane
> Is a good twinstar with a 503 single carb a good choice for a starter
> plane.
> What kind of cruse speed can I expect, I will usually be flying by myself.
> I have followed klob over the years and have looked at many others. I'm
also
> looking at a challanger but the twinstar looks better to me.
> Please educate me on the pros and cons of the Klob twinstar.
> Thanks
> Tom Yilk
> Hasting NE
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Abbott" <jrabbott@chartermi.net>
John,
I just started building a Mark III Xtra ( a new subscriber) and planned to
utilize a Jabiru 2200 with a three blade nickel edged Warp Drive prop for
the power configuration. There are 3 Jabiru powered homebuilt aircraft on
our field and all are meeting or exceeding the builder's performance
expectations. There is only one basic difference in application, they are
"pulling" the aircraft instead of "pushing" it.
Do you believe that there might be a causal relationship between the rapid
rise of CHT's and the push configuration or is the problem generic to
Jabiru's ?
I am about to place a hold payment on a 2200 Jabiru so I need your good
counsel and the collective wisdom of the subscribers. Thanks for your help.
John Abbott
Midland, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Kolb/Jabi
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
<kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> Hi Pat and all prospective Jabiru fliers,
>
> You have about 5 minutes of ground run time before the CHT's hit their
> limits.
>
> In the air, you have to use the company furnished air cowlings for proper
> cooling. At speeds below 90 knots you can only run at 2800 rpm or higher
for
> short lengths of time before the CHT's again exceed their limits.
>
> You will most likely not be satisfied with the climb and cruise
performance
> you get from the Jabiru when installed on a Kolb MarkIII Xtra, Classic or
a
> Kolbra. These airframes just can't sustain the speed needed to keep the
> CHT's down.
>
> If you use a Jabiru engine and it isn't what you expected, please don't
> blame it on the airframe you put it on.
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 682 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
> Zenith CH701 Project
> http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane
> http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Do you believe that there might be a causal relationship between the rapid
> rise of CHT's and the push configuration or is the problem generic to
> Jabiru's ?
I know that it's always cooler standing in the propwash behind a plane than
it is standing in front of a spinning prop.........snuf
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
Kolbers,
We got electricity & phone back. George's FS & my SS survived #4!
Had some minor damage to the shop & will spend the next several weekends
picking up. County has been declared a disaster area.
Richard Swiderski
Ocala FL
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of H MITCHELL
Subject: Kolb-List: Hurricane
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
The big four have come and gone and we were lucky here in Tallahassee.
Jeanne passed through as a windy rain storm. My Mk3 sat snug in her hangar
and we didn't loose a single shingle from our house. Sure hope you boys down
south and west did as well and that the balance of this season is more
gentle to us all.
I am planning to go to my hangar on Wednesday morning for more stall testing
if the weather gets just a little better.
Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Curtin" <jcurtin@cableone.net>
John, Thanks for the insight on the Jabiru engines. It's info like this that
I was hoping to really get into at the fly in but this is just as good. You
say that the 100hp is a little overkill. Will the 80hp do as well with a cs
prop? Craig Nelson has designed a beautiful cowl for the 912 and it sure
cleans up the plane a bunch. Hope to talk to you again soon. Would it be ok
to call? Thanks again, Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Kolb/Jabi
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
<kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> Hi Pat and all prospective Jabiru fliers,
>
> You have about 5 minutes of ground run time before the CHT's hit their
> limits.
>
> In the air, you have to use the company furnished air cowlings for proper
> cooling. At speeds below 90 knots you can only run at 2800 rpm or higher
for
> short lengths of time before the CHT's again exceed their limits.
>
> You will most likely not be satisfied with the climb and cruise
performance
> you get from the Jabiru when installed on a Kolb MarkIII Xtra, Classic or
a
> Kolbra. These airframes just can't sustain the speed needed to keep the
> CHT's down.
>
> If you use a Jabiru engine and it isn't what you expected, please don't
> blame it on the airframe you put it on.
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 682 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
> Zenith CH701 Project
> http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane
> http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane
>
> do not archive
>
>
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Subject: | Re: > Good news , Bad news |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
|I ordered a warp which
| came in today. I think those warps are a lot tougher. | Giovanni
Day
Giovanni/Gang:
Wonder why John Hauck has been flying in front of Warp Drive Props
since 1993?
Would not leave home without one. :-)
john h
PS: Got back from London, Ky, and the mountains north of Oak Ridge,
TN, tonight. Surprise!!! I have cable modem again, but still got a
screwed up telephone. :-(
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Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engines and Kolbs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| The 100 hp is just a little overkill but I
| can climb faster than most Kolbs flying.
|
|
| John Williamson
John W/Gang:
You got that right! hehehe
Course, we aren't sure my old MKIII wasn't hauling a lot more weight
over the Rockies than your Kolbra.
john h
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Subject: | Re: > Good news , Bad news |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
At 09:55 PM 9/29/2004, you wrote:
>TN, tonight. Surprise!!! I have cable modem again, but still got a
>screwed up telephone. :-(
If you have cable modem, then you can use VOIP... check out
http://www.vonage.com
-- Robert
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Subject: | Re: My recent trip to TNK Homecoming 2004 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
photos taken
| at the Homecoming.
| John Williamson
Hi John W/Gang:
Enjoyed looking at and reliving the recent Kolb Homecoming.
Thanks for posting the picture of Gantt IAP. Miss P'fer wasn't too
happy about staying at home and missing all the fun, but couldn't do
any better with no tail.
BTW: All my XC flights, for the past 20 years, originated from this
cow pasture on the old Gantt Farm.
Thanks again,
john h
PS: Haven't unloaded the 5th wheel. Will resupply and head out for
Evergreen, AL, and the SE EAA Regional Flyin this weekend. See ya'll
there.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Comcast <davis207@comcast.net>
I've recently moved, and am looking for a new home for the Firefly.
While it can stay put, I'd rather not have to drive 60 miles each way.
I've started checking local airports arounf here (Phoenixville, PA).
Perkiomen (N10) looked very promising; close, small and friendly.
Today, I called and spoke with the manager, who was real nice untill I
said "ultralight". The response was "we don't allow ultralights". If I
N-numbered it, he did allow that he'd be willing to "take a look at it."
I understand you attract more flies with honey then vineger, and was
very polite with him. He said he'd had ultralights crash and people get
killed, and he's fielded calls from an angry wife accusing him of having
"killed my husband." Also, he says, no matter what happened, even away
from the airport, the airport's name "gets dragged into it." I told him
I understood, and did not press the issue. He says he just doesn't want
any more of "those calls."
While I can hardly force him to rent me a hanger, I'd like to know the
rules regarding access. My understanding from a scan of the archives is
that public airports (registered, not owned...this is a privately owned,
public use airport) can not prohibit legal activity. A few questions if
any one can direct me:
1. Is there a regulation that is explicit about this?
2. Is it dependent upon them ever receiving federal money?
3. How can I find out if they have received federal monay?
Thanks,
Chuck
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
Hi,
Just got back from a recent trip to the desert, and thought that I might add
a cheap and easy way to support the wings of a trailered Kolb. I made the trip
to Monument Valley, pulling my Firestar II about 2600 or more miles with the
wings hanging off the tail boom. I support the tail boom, but not the wings.
Of course the roads were rough and one worries about the wear of all the bumps
on the attach points. This time I went to the tire store and got a discarded
inner tube. After I had the plane loaded in the trailer I slid the deflated tire
under the wings and simply inflated it until I got the support that I wanted.
(My lifting device raises the tail wheel off the floor about three inches.)
When I got there I took out the valve stem, took the deflated tube out, unloaded
my plane and that was that. Cheap and simple. Some of the metal valve caps
have the little gismos on them to remove the stem, making it easy to use.
regards
Larry, Oregon
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Subject: | Throttle conversion |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Carl Trollope" <flash_too@yahoo.co.uk>
Hi,
from another Brit on the list....
I have just acquired a Mk111 after having thoroughly looked at all other
options...in the price category...
I chose the Kolb because of its' tremendous view..... short field
capacity..... and because it is supposed to be the easiest tail dragger out
there
I am in the process of converting to 3 axis from flexwing and only have a
few hours at the moment but am already impressed with its flying
Mine has a second throttle fitted to the centre tube which means the right
seat occupant has to fly left hand on stick and reach across with the right
to use the throttle.... not to good an idea.... oh and mine is a microlight
with a 582...
The only other comment concerns the landing which seems to elude its
previous owner as it appears to blow through the flare every
time...approaching at 55mph half flap glide approach....??
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of PATRICK LADD
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Throttle conversion
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
I have recently joined this group, being one of a syndicate of three which
has bought a flying Kolb Mk.III. This aircraft has the short wings and is
classed as a Group A aircraft in the UK (ie. not a microlight)>>
Hi Martin,
Welcome to the list from one of the few Limeys here. I live near Bath and I
am waiting for the delivery of 111 Extra Kit. What made you go for the `A`
cat? I am hoping to install a Jabi on mine which will be a microlight cat. I
have been flying a Eurostar with the 912 for the last year and liked it but
the 912 takes the Extra into Class`A`. Being unwilling to give up the
foustroke advantages the Jabiru it has to be.
Have you had much experience with the 111. What sort of performance?
Contact me off line if you like
Pat Ladd
pj.ladd@btinternet.com
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