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1. 02:35 AM - Re: noise (PATRICK LADD)
2. 04:59 AM - Re: ANR headsets (James, Ken)
3. 07:51 AM - Re: Re: harley (PATRICK LADD)
4. 10:09 AM - Re: harley (William George)
5. 12:16 PM - Re: ANR headsets (N27SB@aol.com)
6. 12:20 PM - Re: ANR headsets (N27SB@aol.com)
7. 01:10 PM - Re: ANR headsets (Carl Trollope)
8. 01:11 PM - Re: ANR headsets (J.D. Stewart)
9. 01:27 PM - Airplane noise: UK vs. US (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
10. 02:07 PM - Re: ANR headsets (Garrett Smith)
11. 02:54 PM - Re: ANR headsets (Giovanni Day)
12. 02:55 PM - Re: ANR headsets (John Hauck)
13. 03:31 PM - Re: Airplane noise: UK vs. US (PATRICK LADD)
14. 04:34 PM - Re: ANR headsets (Garrett Smith)
15. 04:42 PM - Kolb seeker (Richard Pike)
16. 05:08 PM - Re: Airplane noise: UK vs. US (Larry Bourne)
17. 05:27 PM - Re: Airplane noise: UK vs. US (robert bean)
18. 05:36 PM - Re: ANR headsets (John Hauck)
19. 06:45 PM - Re: ANR headsets (HShack@aol.com)
20. 07:26 PM - Re: ANR headsets (Bob N.)
21. 07:50 PM - Mk3/912: Testing And Tweaking (H MITCHELL)
22. 07:54 PM - Re: ANR headsets (Robert Laird)
23. 08:05 PM - Re: Mk3/912: Testing And Tweaking (John Hauck)
24. 08:14 PM - Re: Mk3/912: Testing And Tweaking (Richard Pike)
25. 08:23 PM - Re: ANR headsets (Giovanni Day)
26. 09:47 PM - Re: ANR headsets (jerb)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
<< take walking trips from one teeny town to another,... So I can see where
you just about can't fly most anywhere there without
flying over some town or houses.>>
Dead right. We can`t fly over towns and villages or even large gatherings of
people. In theory any way. Where there are wide open spaces they tend to be
RAF training areas. I have had a pair of Phantoms fly underneath me when I
have been less than 1500 ft. I looked straight down into the cockpit of one.
15 miles from home is the second biggest fleet of Hercules in the world and
many of them are on low level training flights around the UK which culminate
in dropping loads on a small local airfield. They have to CLIMB to reach
dropping height.
<<, at 500' few people can hear my 447,>>
I dont think that there are now, or ever have been many 447 enguines.
Nearly all 503.
<<. Between today's traffic, mcs & scooters, and the dang leaf blowers--an
ultralight--even a fatty--isn't noticed, or objected to.>>
Absolutely right. None of them have to pass the noise test which we have
imposed on us yet we are the ones who get prosecuted.
Madonna has just bought a property on the Salisbury Plain about thirty miles
from here. Within 3 miles of an airfield which has been there as long as I
can remember. What is the first thing she does? Complains about the noise
and then tries to buy the airfield to close it down.
TANJ
Pat
pj.ladd@btinternet.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
Not to beat a dead horse about noise and headsets, but has anyone asked the
guy's at Kolb what they use?
Ken
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Thanks Pat!! Next time I fly over the vast wilderness of England I'll
muzzle my Hog. snuf>>
Dont fly over the vast wildernesses of Germany either. Their noise limits
are much tighter than ours.
Love that Harley sound though. I was at (something or other) Beach in
Florida many years ago when they were having their Annual Harley Rally. What
super machines! And the chrome German Helmets with the spikes on. Weird!
Pat pj.ladd@btinterntet.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: William George <wgeorge@mountainmeadowranch.com>
Agree. The Verner has a very pleasant sound, but it is not loud. My
Powerfin prop is the source of noise in flight.
I have flown over my home several times with the Verner and asked my
wife, who hates noise, how it sounded. She advised it was very quiet
with less noise than the GA airplanes that fly overhead.
It also shakes like a wet dog at startup and shutdown, but is very
smooth otherwise.
Bill George
Hawaii
Kolb Mk-3 Verner 1400 Powerfin
On Oct 4, 2004, at 8:56 PM, Kolb-List Digest Server wrote:
> Time: 07:15:20 AM PST US
> From: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: harley
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL
> <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
>
> "Kirk Smith" wrote:
> << That baby would sure sound sweet with straight pipes ... snuf >>
>
> Kirk, and Kolbers -
>
> For all of you wishing for the sound of a Harley on your Kolbs - a
> solution
> exists! It's called a Verner. Same two big air-cooled jugs (1400cc),
> same
> RPM range, same throaty sound from minimal exhaust pipes. 165 lbs.
> Biggest
> difference is the Verner's two cylinders are 180 degrees offset from
> each
> other, compared to Harley's 45. But the sound is the same. Even does
> the
> "potato-potato-potato" at idle.
>
> Dennis Kirby
> Mark-III, Verner-powered in
> Cedar Crest, NM
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: ANR headsets |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 10/5/04 6:59:55 AM Central Daylight Time,
KDJames@berkscareer.com writes:
> Not to beat a dead horse about noise and headsets, but has anyone asked the
> guy's at Kolb what they use?
>
> Ken
>
They use Lynx headsets and intercom. Brian says they are awesome.
They are about $800.00 a POP.
Steve B
WetFly#007
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| Subject: | Re: ANR headsets |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
Subj: Lynx headsets
Correction, I just checked their site, they are about $800.00 for two sets
plus extras.
Steve
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Carl Trollope" <flash_too@yahoo.co.uk>
I have Lynx in a UK based MkIII 582 and would have to agree...awesome...
with piped music and telephone interface available as well.....
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of N27SB@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ANR headsets
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 10/5/04 6:59:55 AM Central Daylight Time,
KDJames@berkscareer.com writes:
> Not to beat a dead horse about noise and headsets, but has anyone asked
the
> guy's at Kolb what they use?
>
> Ken
>
They use Lynx headsets and intercom. Brian says they are awesome.
They are about $800.00 a POP.
Steve B
WetFly#007
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "J.D. Stewart" <jstewart@inebraska.com>
I use the Lynx right now in my Challenger and will be looking for GA
headsets for my 912-powered Titan when it's done in a few more weeks. I've
tried the Lightspeed 20-3Gs in both the Challenger and a Titan, and the
active noise reduction didn't work well in those environments. I'm looking
forward to Shack's tests also, to narrow down my search.
My Lynx headsets will be for sale when the Challenger is sold. Probably
$500 for the pair, includind A-3, A-4 and A-22 interface.
J.D. Stewart
UltraFun AirSports, LLC
http://www.ultrafunairsports.com
Challenger e-mail list
http://challenger.inebraska.com
Titan e-mail list
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of N27SB@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 2:16 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ANR headsets
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 10/5/04 6:59:55 AM Central Daylight Time,
> KDJames@berkscareer.com writes:
>
> > Not to beat a dead horse about noise and headsets, but has
> anyone asked the
> > guy's at Kolb what they use?
> >
> > Ken
> >
>
> They use Lynx headsets and intercom. Brian says they are awesome.
> They are about $800.00 a POP.
>
>
> Steve B
> WetFly#007
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Airplane noise: UK vs. US |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
(Note - I changed the subject line. Discussion originated with talk of the
"wonderful" sound of a Harley engine on a Kolb. )
"PATRICK LADD" wrote:
<< Good grief! Dont you have any noise controls in the USA.?
Here in Europe we have to go to great lengths to REDUCE the noise from
our a/c. >>
and snuf answered:
<< Thanks Pat!! Next time I fly over the vast wilderness of England I'll
muzzle my Hog. snuf >>
Patrick -
I hope your sense of humor will keep you tuned in, just to see what happens
next!
In all seriousness, we understand the benefits of quieter airplanes. We've
all heard the stories of little airports getting closed down because of
local residents complaining about airplane noise. But, as snuf eludes to,
there are some parts of this big ol' country where this concern just isn't a
factor.
For example: The state of New Mexico (120,000 square miles) is about
one-and-a-quarter the size as the land area of the UK (94,000 sq mi). Great
Britain has 65 million people living there - New Mexico has 1.5 million.
(And half of these are located in & around ONE city.)
My phase-1 flight test area, as assigned by the FAA, is a circle with a
radius of 60 miles, centered on my home airport. This is an area of approx
11,300 square miles. As this is in a rural part of the state, there are
less than 10,000 people living in this area - less than one person per
square mile.
Not very many complaints about noise from little airplanes here!
I enjoy hearing your very different perspectives on flying and light
airpalnes from your viewpoint across the Pond! Keep 'em coming ...
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III, in
New Mexico, USA
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| Subject: | Re: ANR headsets |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Garrett Smith" <garretts@telusplanet.net>
Hi Everyone:
I've been lurking here getting info and your comments on the Kolb. I've
flown commercially for around 19 years, all of it in propeller driven
aircraft, and a lot of those are wayyyy noisier than the Kolb. Dehavilland
Single-Otter, Beaver, C-185, Twin Otter and other piston airplanes. My
input on the headset issue will be limited to the brand names I have tried
and have heard my colleagues talk about and use. I have spent my entire
career in between the David Clark headsets, and have used their ANR headsets
on a number of occasions and feel they are one of the best. My reasons are,
DC makes a robust unit that will stand up to hard use, they have been around
a long while and the quality control of the headset components is equal to
or better than others I have tried. If, when, I buy another, it will most
likely be the David Clark ANR headset.
A number of friends have the Bose headset and LOVE them, light weight,
comfort, good noise attenuation and quality sound are all the qualities they
liked. They are a bit lighter than the DC, and a bit more comfy, but I am
used to the DC. The BOSE is more expensive than the DC by a significant
margin, so you'll have to do your due diligence and decide how much you want
to spend.
I have tried a number of other headsets, during an evaluation with a company
I used to work for, but felt that these units weren't robust enough for the
torture they receive on a daily basis during commercial use.
As I mentioned above I like the DC because it's tough, reasonably priced,
and DC has been around for a long time and they back their product.
I hope my comments help, I will add that the evaluation I was involved with
was about 4 years back, so headsets have probably improved since then, and
hopefully the price has come down.
Regards,
Garrett Smith
----- Original Message -----
From: "J.D. Stewart" <jstewart@inebraska.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: ANR headsets
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "J.D. Stewart" <jstewart@inebraska.com>
>
> I use the Lynx right now in my Challenger and will be looking for
GA
> headsets for my 912-powered Titan when it's done in a few more weeks.
I've
> tried the Lightspeed 20-3Gs in both the Challenger and a Titan, and the
> active noise reduction didn't work well in those environments. I'm
looking
> forward to Shack's tests also, to narrow down my search.
> My Lynx headsets will be for sale when the Challenger is sold.
Probably
> $500 for the pair, includind A-3, A-4 and A-22 interface.
>
> J.D. Stewart
> UltraFun AirSports, LLC
> http://www.ultrafunairsports.com
> Challenger e-mail list
> http://challenger.inebraska.com
> Titan e-mail list
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of N27SB@aol.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 2:16 PM
> > To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ANR headsets
> >
> >
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 10/5/04 6:59:55 AM Central Daylight Time,
> > KDJames@berkscareer.com writes:
> >
> > > Not to beat a dead horse about noise and headsets, but has
> > anyone asked the
> > > guy's at Kolb what they use?
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> >
> > They use Lynx headsets and intercom. Brian says they are awesome.
> > They are about $800.00 a POP.
> >
> >
> > Steve B
> > WetFly#007
> > do not archive
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Garrett et All,
I have been reading this thread and would like to comment on the DC head
sets. I have two ANR sets that work great in a quicksilver, fisher
classic and now in the Kolb MKIII with an unusually loud 912. I have
also used the older Bose in the same and have actually found the ANC
better in the DC sets. As you stated the Bose are more comfortable but
do not feel as secure on my head as the DC. Just thought I would get my
bit in.
Giovanni
MKIII/912 80566
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garrett Smith
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ANR headsets
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Garrett Smith"
--> <garretts@telusplanet.net>
Hi Everyone:
I've been lurking here getting info and your comments on the Kolb. I've
flown commercially for around 19 years, all of it in propeller driven
aircraft, and a lot of those are wayyyy noisier than the Kolb.
Dehavilland Single-Otter, Beaver, C-185, Twin Otter and other piston
airplanes. My input on the headset issue will be limited to the brand
names I have tried and have heard my colleagues talk about and use. I
have spent my entire career in between the David Clark headsets, and
have used their ANR headsets on a number of occasions and feel they are
one of the best. My reasons are, DC makes a robust unit that will stand
up to hard use, they have been around a long while and the quality
control of the headset components is equal to or better than others I
have tried. If, when, I buy another, it will most likely be the David
Clark ANR headset.
A number of friends have the Bose headset and LOVE them, light weight,
comfort, good noise attenuation and quality sound are all the qualities
they liked. They are a bit lighter than the DC, and a bit more comfy,
but I am used to the DC. The BOSE is more expensive than the DC by a
significant margin, so you'll have to do your due diligence and decide
how much you want to spend.
I have tried a number of other headsets, during an evaluation with a
company I used to work for, but felt that these units weren't robust
enough for the torture they receive on a daily basis during commercial
use.
As I mentioned above I like the DC because it's tough, reasonably
priced, and DC has been around for a long time and they back their
product.
I hope my comments help, I will add that the evaluation I was involved
with was about 4 years back, so headsets have probably improved since
then, and hopefully the price has come down.
Regards,
Garrett Smith
----- Original Message -----
From: "J.D. Stewart" <jstewart@inebraska.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: ANR headsets
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "J.D. Stewart"
> --> <jstewart@inebraska.com>
>
> I use the Lynx right now in my Challenger and will be looking
> for
GA
> headsets for my 912-powered Titan when it's done in a few more weeks.
I've
> tried the Lightspeed 20-3Gs in both the Challenger and a Titan, and
> the active noise reduction didn't work well in those environments.
> I'm
looking
> forward to Shack's tests also, to narrow down my search.
> My Lynx headsets will be for sale when the Challenger is sold.
Probably
> $500 for the pair, includind A-3, A-4 and A-22 interface.
>
> J.D. Stewart
> UltraFun AirSports, LLC
> http://www.ultrafunairsports.com
> Challenger e-mail list
> http://challenger.inebraska.com
> Titan e-mail list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> > N27SB@aol.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 2:16 PM
> > To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ANR headsets
> >
> >
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 10/5/04 6:59:55 AM Central Daylight Time,
> > KDJames@berkscareer.com writes:
> >
> > > Not to beat a dead horse about noise and headsets, but has
> > anyone asked the
> > > guy's at Kolb what they use?
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> >
> > They use Lynx headsets and intercom. Brian says they are awesome.
> > They are about $800.00 a POP.
> >
> >
> > Steve B
> > WetFly#007
> > do not archive
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ANR headsets |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
I've
| flown commercially for around 19 years, all of it in propeller
driven
| aircraft, and a lot of those are wayyyy noisier than the Kolb. |
Garrett Smith
Hi Garrett/All:
Thanks for speaking out. However, I will have to strongly disagree
with your comment reference noise.
My MKIII is far noisier than any of the aircraft you reference. Fully
enclosed Kolbs are much noisier than open cockpit Kolbs.
Beavers, Otters, and 185's are pussy cats compared to UH-1's and other
Army turbine powered aircraft. My MKIII is noisier than any Army
helicopter I have flown and/or rode in except the CH-47 models.
I too have been using David Clark headsets for a long time, since I
built my Firestar in 1987. I wore out two sets of H10-40's, and am
working on a H10-13.4. Throw in a Sigtronics headset I tried but did
not particularly like for a few hundred hours and the Litespeed
headset about 10 years ago that did not work with the 912, too.
DC's do a good job of passive noise attenuation and some day some one
will come up with a good set of active noise attenuation headsets to
maybe save a little of my hearing. I suffer not only hearing loss,
but experience accelerated fatigue flying in an extremely noisy
environment.
I do agree that DC has excellent quality control, rapid repair turn
around, and are built to last for a long, long time.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Airplane noise: UK vs. US |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
<< less than one person per square mile. >>
Hi,
I really envy you that. We are up there with the most overpopulated
countries list. Strangely when flying there seems to be a fair amount of
room, at least in my area.
Sadly I believe it is now a fact that there is nowhere in the UK where it is
possible to be out of earshot of road traffic noise and we have kids growing
up who have never seen a sky dark enough to have seen the Milky Way. I think
that is really sad.
On the other hand we have no `gators, or rattlers or indeed any dangerous
animals and only one very small slightly poisonous snake, only a few very
small mosquitos.(Except in Scotland) No one has a screen door, Very few
people bother with air conditioning, although it looks as though it may be
changing slowly. We have had no snow in this area for about 10/15 years and
the temperature hardly ever gets into the 90`s. No Hurricanes. Well, just
one around 15 years ago. The one before that was around 150 years. In 3
hours I can drive to Europe, or in about 2 hours in the ultralight, with
different culture, language, beer, wine, food, scenery, history.
As much as I love visiting the US ,in 2 hours I couldn`t get out of most of
your States and even if I did it would still be hamburgers and cold beer
with bubbles in only fit for little girls, and the same language. Scenery?
thats different, Colorado and Montana will do it for me evry time, that Big
Sky in Texas and Alaska is out of this world. I shall be over again in April
for Sun`n`Fun it seems and no doubt we shall move around a little. Its not
worth the hassle just to visit for a week.
Hope to meet some of you during that time.
Cheers
Pat
pj.ladd@btinternet.com
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| Subject: | Re: ANR headsets |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Garrett Smith" <garretts@telusplanet.net>
Good point on the issue of fit, Giovanni. Different headsets will fit better
than others so it's incumbent on the purchaser to ensure that the particular
model feels comfortable after an hour or two of use. Another thought, a
reputable dealer will allow you to try the headset out before you buy.
Personally I wouldn't buy a headset that I didn't wear for an hour prior to
shelling out a few hundred bucks, and not just in the showroom but in an
airplane where you can accurately determine if the unit works for you.
John, my point was not to compare aircraft noise levels. My message came
across that way and was not my intent. I should not have included the Kolb
as I've not actually flown it, only a 582 equipped Beaver and EZ Flyer, both
of which were not completely enclosed. Those two aircraft are pushers like
the Kolb.
I've never been in a UH-1, but I can tell you that I recall on a
particularly long takeoff in a single Otter, my ears actually began to hurt
it was so loud. After that I wore ear plugs as well as my DC.
Suffice it to say that in the majority of piston-engine, prop driven
aircraft you should wear a good quality headset if you want to hear your
wife speak to you.....or not.
Garrett
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: ANR headsets
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
>
> Garrett et All,
>
> I have been reading this thread and would like to comment on the DC head
> sets. I have two ANR sets that work great in a quicksilver, fisher
> classic and now in the Kolb MKIII with an unusually loud 912. I have
> also used the older Bose in the same and have actually found the ANC
> better in the DC sets. As you stated the Bose are more comfortable but
> do not feel as secure on my head as the DC. Just thought I would get my
> bit in.
>
>
> Giovanni
> MKIII/912 80566
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garrett Smith
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ANR headsets
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Garrett Smith"
> --> <garretts@telusplanet.net>
>
> Hi Everyone:
>
> I've been lurking here getting info and your comments on the Kolb. I've
> flown commercially for around 19 years, all of it in propeller driven
> aircraft, and a lot of those are wayyyy noisier than the Kolb.
> Dehavilland Single-Otter, Beaver, C-185, Twin Otter and other piston
> airplanes. My input on the headset issue will be limited to the brand
> names I have tried and have heard my colleagues talk about and use. I
> have spent my entire career in between the David Clark headsets, and
> have used their ANR headsets on a number of occasions and feel they are
> one of the best. My reasons are, DC makes a robust unit that will stand
> up to hard use, they have been around a long while and the quality
> control of the headset components is equal to or better than others I
> have tried. If, when, I buy another, it will most likely be the David
> Clark ANR headset.
>
> A number of friends have the Bose headset and LOVE them, light weight,
> comfort, good noise attenuation and quality sound are all the qualities
> they liked. They are a bit lighter than the DC, and a bit more comfy,
> but I am used to the DC. The BOSE is more expensive than the DC by a
> significant margin, so you'll have to do your due diligence and decide
> how much you want to spend.
>
> I have tried a number of other headsets, during an evaluation with a
> company I used to work for, but felt that these units weren't robust
> enough for the torture they receive on a daily basis during commercial
> use.
>
> As I mentioned above I like the DC because it's tough, reasonably
> priced, and DC has been around for a long time and they back their
> product.
>
> I hope my comments help, I will add that the evaluation I was involved
> with was about 4 years back, so headsets have probably improved since
> then, and hopefully the price has come down.
>
> Regards,
> Garrett Smith
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "J.D. Stewart" <jstewart@inebraska.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: ANR headsets
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "J.D. Stewart"
> > --> <jstewart@inebraska.com>
> >
> > I use the Lynx right now in my Challenger and will be looking
> > for
> GA
> > headsets for my 912-powered Titan when it's done in a few more weeks.
> I've
> > tried the Lightspeed 20-3Gs in both the Challenger and a Titan, and
> > the active noise reduction didn't work well in those environments.
> > I'm
> looking
> > forward to Shack's tests also, to narrow down my search.
> > My Lynx headsets will be for sale when the Challenger is sold.
> Probably
> > $500 for the pair, includind A-3, A-4 and A-22 interface.
> >
> > J.D. Stewart
> > UltraFun AirSports, LLC
> > http://www.ultrafunairsports.com
> > Challenger e-mail list
> > http://challenger.inebraska.com
> > Titan e-mail list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> > > N27SB@aol.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 2:16 PM
> > > To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ANR headsets
> > >
> > >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
> > >
> > > In a message dated 10/5/04 6:59:55 AM Central Daylight Time,
> > > KDJames@berkscareer.com writes:
> > >
> > > > Not to beat a dead horse about noise and headsets, but has
> > > anyone asked the
> > > > guy's at Kolb what they use?
> > > >
> > > > Ken
> > > >
> > >
> > > They use Lynx headsets and intercom. Brian says they are awesome.
> > > They are about $800.00 a POP.
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve B
> > > WetFly#007
> > > do not archive
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Got a local looking for a Twinstar or FSII, or a 2 seat Hawk. Contact me
off list if'n you got one to sell.
Richard Pike
richard@bcchapel.org
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| Subject: | Re: Airplane noise: UK vs. US |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Very nicely said, Dennis. I agree with you 100%. Stay with us, Pat, your
posts are greatly enjoyed. Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Subject: Kolb-List: Airplane noise: UK vs. US
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL
> <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
>
> (Note - I changed the subject line. Discussion originated with talk of
> the
> "wonderful" sound of a Harley engine on a Kolb. )
>
> "PATRICK LADD" wrote:
> << Good grief! Dont you have any noise controls in the USA.?
> Here in Europe we have to go to great lengths to REDUCE the noise from
> our a/c. >>
>
> and snuf answered:
> << Thanks Pat!! Next time I fly over the vast wilderness of England I'll
> muzzle my Hog. snuf >>
>
> Patrick -
>
> I hope your sense of humor will keep you tuned in, just to see what
> happens
> next!
>
> In all seriousness, we understand the benefits of quieter airplanes.
> We've
> all heard the stories of little airports getting closed down because of
> local residents complaining about airplane noise. But, as snuf eludes to,
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| Subject: | Re: Airplane noise: UK vs. US |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
On 5, Oct 2004, at 6:31 PM, PATRICK LADD wrote:
>
> hamburgers and cold beer
> with bubbles in only fit for little girls,
>
Quite right Patrick, budweiser sucks big time and "ice cold?" -yuk, no
taste buds
Only fit for girly men.
But the eddycated amongst us are acquiring a taste for IPAs and other
assorted hoppy ales. The Canadians have been quaffing good stuff for
years.
I would love to do some low and slow over your countryside. It would
have
to be more entertaining than Kansas.
Kolb related??? mayhaps not, so do not archive -BB
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| Subject: | Re: ANR headsets |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| I've never been in a UH-1, but I can tell you that I recall on a
| particularly long takeoff in a single Otter, my ears actually began
to hurt
| it was so loud. | Garrett
Hi Garrett/Gang:
No sweat GI.
Got a lot of time in the U1A Otter, early 1960's, Bad Tolz, Germany.
This was the primary aircraft the 10th SFG (Abn) jumped for pay. At
one time, we had two assigned to the 10th, in addition to two L-20's
Beavers, and a L-19.
My favorite airplane sound is the Beaver on floats taking off of
Muncho Lake, BC. The blades start to slap, the sounds reverberate,
and ricochet off the Rocky Mountains that come right down to the water
on both sides of the lake.
If I knew the DC ANRs would work in my airplane, I would order a set
to see the results. One of these days.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: ANR headsets |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 10/5/2004 8:37:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes:
If I knew the DC ANRs would work in my airplane, I would order a set
to see the results. One of these days.
Take care,
john h
My stepson is sending me a set he wore when he flew helicopters. Will test &
report.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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| Subject: | Re: ANR headsets |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
I think I previously made a comment about noise-reducing HS ...my
comment was that most (I haven't tried many)
noise-reducing HS are primarily designed and sold for use in GA
a/c...meaning low rpm 4-6cyl 4 strokes.
The noise spectrum of 2 cyl 2 stroke is decidedly different, Try before
you buy.
Bob N.
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| Subject: | Mk3/912: Testing And Tweaking |
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:49:19 -0400
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
Went flying both of the last two evenings. Hazy but calm, just right for continuation
of my testing and tweaking my Mk3/912.
(1) My oil temp has not been above 140% so I added a 2"x2" temporary air block
to the front of the oil cooler to get the temp up to where it would vaporize any
water out of the oil. The result was 188% after a good warm up on the ground
and little change during flight. This worked so well I will have to remove the
temporary block (duct tape) and replace it with something more sophisticated.
(2) During low power stall testing the left wing falls first regardless of how
I dance on the the rudder peddles or how slow I approach the stall condition.
It is not the gentle, straight-forward stall of my other Kolbs but mildly abrupt.
I intend to do a precision check of rigging then consider adjusting the left
wing cord line.
(3) My Aircom hand held radio has served me well using an underside antennas but
lately my communications using a rubber ducky have been noisy at best. Tested
out my new underside antenna with "5x5" results. I can now hear all that chatter
that does not concern me when I turn the squelch way down.
(4) 'Took the time to remove the whiskey compass adjustment cover and bring along
a non-magnetic screwdriver for the last flight of the day. I flew the four
major compass points per my GPS and aligned the whisky to match. Not much to it
but now I can depend on that unit too.
(5) 'Always wondered if those plastic streamliners on my struts made any real difference.
Mine have not been riveted to the strut and sometimes they change position
in flight. While flying straight and level I reached down to the root
of one streamliner and gave it a twist. Answer: Yes they do. I will now align
them for max streamline effect and rivet them in place.
'Next four days I'll be doing family stuff (Brunswick GA),
Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL, Mk3/912
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| Subject: | Re: ANR headsets |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
At 09:27 PM 10/5/2004, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
>The noise spectrum of 2 cyl 2 stroke is decidedly different, Try before
>you buy.
I've tried RAD, DCs, the Lightspeed 15XL, the Lightspeed 20 3-G, and the
Lightspeed CrossCountry ANR, and there's no comparison... the CrossCountry
ANR works best in 2-cycle ultralights. YMMV.
-- Robert
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| Subject: | Re: Mk3/912: Testing And Tweaking |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Duane/All:
The 912 runs relatively cool. During the winter I by passed the oil
cooler completely. It is imperative to run the eng oil tem at 190F or
higher to keep condensation and other "stuff" cooked out of the crank
case and oil system.
Also, there is a tremendous difference between eng temps at 5,000 rpm
and higher, and eng speeds below 5,000 rpm. As soon as I would come
off cruise rpm, 5,000, eng oil and cyl head temps dropped rapidly.
The book says minimum cyl head temps are not important, but I have
found the 912 and 912S perform better if the CHT is kept up near 180F
and higher.
temporary air block to the front of the oil cooler to get the temp up
to where it would vaporize any water out of the oil. The result was
188% after a good warm up on the ground and little change during
flight. This worked so well I will have to remove the temporary block
(duct tape) and replace it with something more sophisticated.
Duane, do you think the left wing is dropping because you are sitting
in the left seat? Try flying and stalling from the right seat and see
if that makes a difference. Also, dancing on the rudder pedals has
little to do with lifting a wing on a Kolb airplane. Ailerons usually
work right through the stall in keeping the wings level.
| (2) During low power stall testing the left wing falls first
regardless of how I dance on the the rudder peddles or how slow I
approach the stall condition. It is not the gentle, straight-forward
stall of my other Kolbs but mildly abrupt. I intend to do a precision
check of rigging then consider adjusting the left wing cord line.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Mk3/912: Testing And Tweaking |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
At 10:49 PM 10/5/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
<snip>
>(5) 'Always wondered if those plastic streamliners on my struts made any
>real difference. Mine have not been riveted to the strut and sometimes
>they change position in flight. While flying straight and level I reached
>down to the root of one streamliner and gave it a twist. Answer: Yes they
>do. I will now align them for max streamline effect and rivet them in place.
>
>'Next four days I'll be doing family stuff (Brunswick GA),
>
>Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL, Mk3/912
Couple years ago I used some leftover plastic strut streamline and put it
around the gear legs on the MKIII, hoping to reduce drag. The next time I
flew it, I immediately noticed that it trimmed more nose up than before.
Then I figured out that it was because I had less drag down low, the gear
leg drag was gone, and the change was notable. Food for thought.
Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
John,
I have an extra set of the DC ANRs. They do not have the gel ear seals
just the foam ones.. If you want to pay shipping I will let you use
them. I can say that the ANR mostly cancels the low freq. Droning. With
ANR on I can hear the high pitch metal noises like valves and GB.
Giovanni
MKIII/912 80566
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ANR headsets
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| I've never been in a UH-1, but I can tell you that I recall on a
| particularly long takeoff in a single Otter, my ears actually began
to hurt
| it was so loud. | Garrett
Hi Garrett/Gang:
No sweat GI.
Got a lot of time in the U1A Otter, early 1960's, Bad Tolz, Germany.
This was the primary aircraft the 10th SFG (Abn) jumped for pay. At
one time, we had two assigned to the 10th, in addition to two L-20's
Beavers, and a L-19.
My favorite airplane sound is the Beaver on floats taking off of
Muncho Lake, BC. The blades start to slap, the sounds reverberate,
and ricochet off the Rocky Mountains that come right down to the water
on both sides of the lake.
If I knew the DC ANRs would work in my airplane, I would order a set
to see the results. One of these days.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
I believe the issue here becomes the environment the headsets are used in,
throaty lower RPM 4-strokes or screaming high pitch high RPM 2 & even 4
strokes.
When I stopped at the Lightspeed booth at Sun & Fun a year ago, they
recommended their passive headset. They were very assertive the active
noise reduction units would not work well in a UL Rotax type
environment. I found the lower priced $149 unit to be a little muffled,
the $199 was much clearer and crisper while at the same time being more
comfortable. It uses the same speaker as in there more expensive units.
jerb
At 03:07 PM 10/5/04 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Garrett Smith" <garretts@telusplanet.net>
>
>Hi Everyone:
>
>I've been lurking here getting info and your comments on the Kolb. I've
>flown commercially for around 19 years, all of it in propeller driven
>aircraft, and a lot of those are wayyyy noisier than the Kolb. Dehavilland
>Single-Otter, Beaver, C-185, Twin Otter and other piston airplanes. My
>input on the headset issue will be limited to the brand names I have tried
>and have heard my colleagues talk about and use. I have spent my entire
>career in between the David Clark headsets, and have used their ANR headsets
>on a number of occasions and feel they are one of the best. My reasons are,
>DC makes a robust unit that will stand up to hard use, they have been around
>a long while and the quality control of the headset components is equal to
>or better than others I have tried. If, when, I buy another, it will most
>likely be the David Clark ANR headset.
>
>A number of friends have the Bose headset and LOVE them, light weight,
>comfort, good noise attenuation and quality sound are all the qualities they
>liked. They are a bit lighter than the DC, and a bit more comfy, but I am
>used to the DC. The BOSE is more expensive than the DC by a significant
>margin, so you'll have to do your due diligence and decide how much you want
>to spend.
>
>I have tried a number of other headsets, during an evaluation with a company
>I used to work for, but felt that these units weren't robust enough for the
>torture they receive on a daily basis during commercial use.
>
>As I mentioned above I like the DC because it's tough, reasonably priced,
>and DC has been around for a long time and they back their product.
>
>I hope my comments help, I will add that the evaluation I was involved with
>was about 4 years back, so headsets have probably improved since then, and
>hopefully the price has come down.
>
>Regards,
>Garrett Smith
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