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1. 12:37 AM - Re: First flight in a used Firestar II (Larry Bourne)
2. 12:58 AM - Sport Aviation Expo (jerb)
3. 03:08 AM - Re: fall flight No. 2 (GeoR38@aol.com)
4. 05:00 AM - Re: fall flight No. 2 (PATRICK LADD)
5. 06:40 AM - Re: Sport Aviation Expo (Beauford)
6. 06:57 AM - Re: Challengers (PATRICK LADD)
7. 08:02 AM - Re: First flight in a used Firestar II (Bruce Harrison)
8. 08:25 AM - Re: Sport Aviation Expo (John Hauck)
9. 10:37 AM - Re: First flight in a used Firestar II (David Paule)
10. 11:10 AM - Shane Smith Memorial Flyin (John Cooley)
11. 11:22 AM - Re: Shane Smith Memorial Flyin (John Hauck)
12. 12:29 PM - landing gear (Paul Petty)
13. 01:50 PM - Landing Challenger (Charles & Meredith Blackwell)
14. 02:03 PM - Re: Landing Challenger aka crosswind opn (Bob N.)
15. 04:10 PM - Re: Challengers (bryan green)
16. 06:11 PM - Hauck Trip? (Kirk Smith)
17. 06:59 PM - Re: Hauck Trip? (John Hauck)
18. 07:44 PM - Reflections (David Paule)
19. 07:55 PM - Re: Reflections (John Hauck)
20. 08:14 PM - Re: Reflections (Larry Cottrell)
21. 08:29 PM - Tachometer w/double the rpm output (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: First flight in a used Firestar II |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Congratulations, Dave. Hopefully I won't be too far behind you. (now
watch the b.s. fly :-) ) Slowpoke Lar Do not
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Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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From: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: First flight in a used Firestar II
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
>
> Well, I finally flew the Firestar II that I bought from Ed Babovec last
> May.
> The plane is a product of the Old Kolb Company. He'd built the Firestar
> (nicely, I should add) and put the first 52 hours on the plane before I
> bought it.
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| Subject: | Sport Aviation Expo |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
No one has brought this up, any one planning on attending the
U.S. Sport Aviation Expo 2004
Thursday, October 28 - Sunday , October 31, 2004
Sebring Regional Airport
http://www.sport-aviation-expo.com/
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| Subject: | Re: fall flight No. 2 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 10/10/2004 6:41:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,
pj.ladd@btinternet.com writes:
What was that smell. Fuel!
I look down and there is fuel swilling round my boots. Where did that come
from?. A fuel line must have shaken loose. Good job the engine didn`t stop.
I checked. Nothing loose. All fuel lines secure, fuel tank top screwed up
tight. I can only think that the fuel came back up up from the tank through
the breather hole while I was being put through natures tumble dryer. I have
flown in bumpy conditions but that had never happened before.
I considered driving to Henstridge instead of flying, but I just couldn`t
face it. I went home.
I am glad you had a pleasant flight.
Cheers
good story Pat, you are a good story teller, but, indeed, that is not too
rare for a Brit.
George Randolph
The Villages, Fl
ps I start my 1st story telling class this week....seriously
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| Subject: | Re: fall flight No. 2 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Hi George,
<<good story Pat, you are a good story teller>>
Thank you very much. I have managed to get a few articles published. I have
also written a book, a sort of updated mixture of Wind in the Willows and
Tarka the Otter, both extremely well known books this side of the Atlantic,
but no one wants to publish that.
<<ps I start my 1st story telling class this week....seriously>>
Thats interesting. Writing or speaking? Is this some Community sponsored
effort?
Pat
pj.ladd@btinternet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Aviation Expo |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
I'll be going over for that Sebring event... A friend is coming in from
Kansas to go with me... we'll probably go at least two days.
Beauford
FF#076
Brandon, FL
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From: "jerb" <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Sport Aviation Expo
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>
> No one has brought this up, any one planning on attending the
> U.S. Sport Aviation Expo 2004
> Thursday, October 28 - Sunday , October 31, 2004
> Sebring Regional Airport
> http://www.sport-aviation-expo.com/
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Hi John, (and any others who added comments)
Yes. The nose wheel leg IS held on by two hose clamps. Yes. there IS still a
wire to limit the amount the u/c can spread,
I have never seen any Challenger pilots with plaster casts. Except me that
is , but that was through hang gliding.
I have never had a problem with the wire between the u/c legs getting
entangled with the grass. I dont think I would attempt to land in anything
that high. The rule when gliding was `If you can see the grass waving, its
too long` I would fit larger wheels if I weas regularly operating from
rough ground.
My a/c is a two holer but the wing is a special span made for the UK market.
The importer decided that the Standard Span did not have a high enough speed
and the Clipped wing version put the wingloading over the limit acceptable
for a microlight. Consequently I think the wingspan was reduced by the
distance between 2 ribs. to give the best of both worlds.
Just been talking to my dealer and he has been experimenting with vortex
generators on the Xtra he is building and has concluded that they are worth
the effort. Stalling speed lowered by about 5knots at full flap, rather less
as increasing flap was applied.
Cheers
Pat
pj.ladd@btinternet
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| Subject: | First flight in a used Firestar II |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrison" <firestarii@hotmail.com>
How does your plane climb in comparison to Gregg Waligroski's? It is about
the same configuration so should be a good comparison.
>From: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
>Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kolb-List: First flight in a used Firestar II
>Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:57:34 -0600
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
>
>Well, I finally flew the Firestar II that I bought from Ed Babovec last
>May.
>The plane is a product of the Old Kolb Company. He'd built the Firestar
>(nicely, I should add) and put the first 52 hours on the plane before I
>bought it.
>
>In case you wonder why I hadn't flown it before this, about all I can say
>is
>that between my work, which is irregular and demanding, the fickle weather,
>and the short sailing season here in Colorado, it was finally time now.
>
>The plane has a 503, with the intake and exhaust silencers. It still has
>the
>mechanical brakes and the steerable but not full-swiveling tailwheel. It
>also has a 2-blade wooden prop, 66" in diameter.
>
>As recounted earlier on these pages, the airplane is tail-heavy. I weighed
>160 pounds, including my helmet and knee board, and still needed 45 pounds
>of lead ballast to get the center of gravity to 20.62 inches, which works
>out to 33.8% of the 61" chord length. The aft CG limit is 21.35", according
>to the plans I bought in 1966, so that gave me a slight bit of margin. I
>put
>this lead under the seat cushion, lashing it on securely with some marine
>cord that I'd actually gotten for my sailboat.
>
>According to the earlier plans that came with the plane, the CG aft limit
>is
>23.68". Evidently, somewhere along the way, the aft CG limit changed rather
>drastically. In any case, my actual center of gravity location was a good
>one for this flight.
>
>As mentioned previously some months ago, I plan to sweep the wings back
>about 2 degrees with a simple bracket. This will shift the aerodynamic
>center aft and I won't need the lead ballast any more. My gross weight was
>right at about 600 pounds.
>
>The day was calm and gorgeous. Real pretty.
>
>I took off and climbed to 2,700 feet above the airport, did a little
>familiarization airwork and stalls, and landed.
>
>The airplane's airspeed indicator certainly read low most of the flight. I
>didn't carry a GPS along on this first flight, and didn't bother timing my
>path over the ground. But I really doubt that the stall speed is 10 mph at
>full power, or 18 mph at idle. At 50 mph indicated it wouldn't climb. That
>brought up another issue: climb performance seemed fairly dismal regardless
>of the speed I flew. Of course, I was relying on the tach, but it reached
>redline at full throttle and 45 IAS, which is reasonable.
>
>The maximum rate of climb I observed (didn't time it) was about 450 feet to
>the minute. Please bear in mind that my density altitude was probably about
>7,500 feet here in Boulder, Colorado. The local airport is at 5,300 feet.
>And yes, I felt that this was quite poor climb in these conditions. What do
>you think?
>
>It will be interesting to evaluate different props, as well as correct the
>airspeed indicator.
>
>I had heard this airplane in the air before I bought it, and it was
>relatively quiet. From the cockpit, it was noisier than I'd like. A bit of
>a
>surprise: the intake and exhaust silencers help me to be a good neighbor
>but
>don't help me directly. Still, maybe they do; I've never flown one of these
>without those silencers. Maybe it's worse. Next time I'll wear hearing
>protection.
>
>As for its flying characteristics, about all I can say is that it's a lot
>different than my Cessna 180 Skywagon, Big Hammer. A lot different. The
>controls give good feedback as to the airspeed, but there's little warning
>before the gentle stalls. Visibility up and out to the sides is blocked by
>the leading edge of the wing. That and the center of gravity would have
>been
>improved if the cockpit had been moved forward, a non-trivial factory
>change. The visibility was reduced considerably by various reflections on
>the inside of the full windshield. I found that the rudder pedals were a
>bit
>farther forward than fits me, and the heel brake pedals were very awkward.
>
>My Firestar does have speed stability, as well as large pitch changes with
>power changes. I didn't make turns tight enough to explore the maneuvering
>stability, and didn't try any of the standard lateral-directional maneuvers
>except for gentle turns. The airplane flew fine, and seemed entirely
>adequate, as far as I took it.
>
>To properly give thanks, I'd need to list names from here to some place
>past
>the end of your patience. Ed, of course, and Gregg Waligroski deserve
>special thanks. Dave Dooley, not on this email forum and not a Kolb pilot,
>does too. Many of the regular contributors to this have helped out
>immensely
>with their advice, sent here and thereby broadcast generally. They didn't
>know that they were helping me, but they did. To everyone, many, many
>thanks.
>
>Dave Paule
>FS II (that I've finally flown)
>Cessna Skywagon, Big Hammer
>Boulder, CO
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Aviation Expo |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Beauford/Jerb/All:
Hadn't put much thought into it. Checked out the web site. Looks
good.
I'm still working on Miss P'fer's tail. Got it done through silver
and white yesterday. Such a small piece to work on, yet takes as much
time as a wing. One still has to go through all the process of
changing and cleaning the spray gun, etc. If the UPS man comes today
with the aerothane catalyst, I should be finished and flying Wed or
Thu, in time to load up and head down to Lucedale, MS, for the Shane
Smith Memorial Flyin at Ronnie Smith's South Mississippi Light
Aircraft.
http://www.flysmla.com/smlaevt.htm
If it looks like the Sebring thing will materialize into a decent
show, I may load up and fly down.
I talked to Travis Brown, TNK, this morning. They are not planning on
attending, unless Bruce Chesnut decides to send a contingent that way.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | RE: First flight in a used Firestar II |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrison" <firestarii@hotmail.com>
How does your plane climb in comparison to Gregg Waligroski's? It is about
the same configuration so should be a good comparison.
-----------------
I don't know... haven't talked with him yet. He's got that 3-blade Kiev
Hot-Prop, if I remember the name of it right.
I don't have a full climb performance profile yet, so it is possible that I
simply might not have the right speed dialed in yet. Perhaps the range of
speed for which it climbs is narrow, especially with the airspeed indicating
so low.
Also, I have the intake and exhaust silencers, and he doesn't. However, I
think his plane may fly at a higher weight than mine.
Dave Paule
Boulder, CO
FS II (and I've finally flown it)
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| Subject: | Shane Smith Memorial Flyin |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
John H. and Gang,
Changed the subject to reflect current direction.
Hope you get Miss P'fer fixed up in time for the fly-in this weekend. Look
forward to visiting with you.
Anyone else from the Kolb list coming? I feel sure Paul Petty will come and
seems I remember that John Williamson might come. Look forward to seeing all
you gentlemen.
Later,
John Cooley
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Beauford/Jerb/All:
Hadn't put much thought into it. Checked out the web site. Looks
good.
I'm still working on Miss P'fer's tail. Got it done through silver
and white yesterday. Such a small piece to work on, yet takes as much
time as a wing. One still has to go through all the process of
changing and cleaning the spray gun, etc. If the UPS man comes today
with the aerothane catalyst, I should be finished and flying Wed or
Thu, in time to load up and head down to Lucedale, MS, for the Shane
Smith Memorial Flyin at Ronnie Smith's South Mississippi Light
Aircraft.
http://www.flysmla.com/smlaevt.htm
If it looks like the Sebring thing will materialize into a decent
show, I may load up and fly down.
I talked to Travis Brown, TNK, this morning. They are not planning on
attending, unless Bruce Chesnut decides to send a contingent that way.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Shane Smith Memorial Flyin |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
weekend. Look
| forward to visiting with you.
| Anyone else from the Kolb list coming? I feel sure Paul Petty will
come and
| seems I remember that John Williamson might come. Look forward to
seeing all
| you gentlemen.
|
| Later,
| John Cooley
John C/Gang:
Just talked to Paul Petty. He plans to come over from Raleigh, MS,
Saturday.
Unless I lose the tail section between now and Friday, I'll be down
with Miss P'fer. That is if the weather cooperates. There is one
ridge on the 187 mile flight, down near the Greenville, AL, area. If
I can get over it, I can make it the rest of the way to Lucedale, MS.
Take care,
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
I am ready to install the landing gear on the kolbra. I understand that I must
load the aircraft to as close as ramp weight as possible before nailing the holes
in the legs.
I have talked with Mark G about it and also have the plans to go by (yeah right).
If any of you have any good ideas or suggestions on how to accomplish this I'm
all ears.
Thanks
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
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| Subject: | Landing Challenger |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charles & Meredith Blackwell <wozani@optonline.net>
Pat;
Glad to hear that you made it home in one piece after your adventure....
With the wind straight across the strip the
>direction of approach made no difference, it was equally hellish. I made
>five attempts to land, each one calling for a full throttle go round.
>Finally I got too low to go round again. There was no option, I had to land.
>I dropped into my usual pool of quiet, sheltered air. It was a maelstrom!
>The curl over from hedges bounced me onto the ground and the sudden change
>of wind direction jumped me about 25 yards off my line...
I wanted to share that something similar happened while I was learning to fly.
We had 60 foot trees all along the edge of the strip and they made rotors
coming over them pushing first one way, then a bit lower pushing in the other
way. Very squirrely. Finally scared me enough to give it to the instructor
who thought it was just my inexperience. He went for the same crazy ride and
being more experienced and smarter than me brought it up to 3,000 feet and broke
out the map. We checked the AWOS frequencies in the area for weather and also
caught a pilot taking off out of a strip nearby who gave wind conditions there.
Found an airport 25 minutes away with the wind only 10degrees cross and
landed there.
We caught a ride home and picked up the plane the next day for more lessons.
But two lessons stuck with me that my instructor kept repeating. First, that
planes like to fly, it is safer up high and when in doubt you climb. Not much
to hit up there. Second, he said that you're not married to any one field
and the wind is usually better elsewhere. So shop around when it gets tough
and land somewhere within your abilities. He pointed out that wider runways are
safer because you can land a bit cross field in small enough planes on big
enough fields.
I am very thankful for the good teachers I have had and the experiences that
I walked away from. Hope it is okay to share that one with you.
Charlie in NJ, MKII 503
(Cherokee 160 in story)
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Challenger aka crosswind opn |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
I've landed my FireFly several times at 45 to the local 150' wide rnwy,
and once almost crosswise. Usually there's a lot of wind, so I can get
stopped before the grass at edges. Local rules don't allow operation
on/off the grass--
it's pretty rough there anyhow.
Bob N.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Challengers
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
> Just been talking to my dealer and he has been experimenting with vortex
> generators on the Xtra he is building and has concluded that they are
> worth
> the effort. Stalling speed lowered by about 5knots > pj.ladd@btinternet
> Hi Pat, I used the V/G's of shacks design on my Original Firestar
> before I started the rebuild and they lowered the stall about 5 kts. The
> plane broke crisply without much warning. You might want to put them on
> your horizontal stabilizer as well to make sure you have enough elevator
> authority when landing at the lower speeds without power. I did not do
> this and wheel landings were fine but full stall at minimum airspeed I
> did not have enough elevator to get fat a** in a landing configuration
> (working on the fat a** part).
I probably will not put them back on because the way Hormer designed it
with the new brakes from Brother Jim I should be able to land in a small pea
patch as is (and it's much easier for my daughter to wash ).
As for the Challengers I learned to fly ultralights in one and fly
someone elses every chance I get, but would not buy one over a Kolb.
JMHOFWIW
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Heh John,
Ever thought about the possibility of flying the length of Vietnam in Miss P-fer???
:o) Guess some of the old strips are still there. Still get rice cheap.
Nickle bag is still a nickle. Nobody shootin at ya. snuf
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Vietnam in Miss P-fer??? :o) Guess some of the old strips are still
there. Still get rice cheap. Nickle bag is still a nickle. Nobody
shootin at ya. snuf
Snuffy/Gang:
Come to think of it, no I haven't. But it would be a nice trip. I
have no desire to fly north of the old DMZ. I would like to fly to
places I was assigned on the ground in III Corps and places I flew in
I Corps.
One problem about going down in triple canopy jungle. One seems to
disappear instantly.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
The reflections inside the full windshield were distracting yesterday when I
flew my used Firestar for the first time.
Anyone got any suggestions for getting rid of them? Um, without taking the
windshield to an optics lab.....
Thanks!
Dave Paule
FS II
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
yesterday when I
| flew my used Firestar for the first time.
|
| Anyone got any suggestions for getting rid of them? Um, without
taking the
| windshield to an optics lab.....
|
| Thanks!
| Dave Paule
| FS II
Dave/All:
They all have reflections. I think the secret is not to concentrate
on the reflections, but look outside the aircraft where you are flying
instead.
Reflections inside my fully enclosed MKIII cockpit are particularly
annoying at night. Primarily because I do not have a glare shield.
However, since I have accepted the fact that night flying in a MKIII
for pleasure is not necessarily worth the risk, I don't fly at night
unless I get caught out and can not get back before dark. Without
redundant systems for landing lights, instr panel lgts, etc., it just
is not worth the risk.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:56 PM
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> yesterday when I
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Larry
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| Subject: | Tachometer w/double the rpm output |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
Can anyone help here?
I have a Rotax 447 with Ducati single ignition.
I purchased a tachometer from Aircraft Spruce, specifying this engine and
ignition setup. The tach I received has the following id on the box: part number
TA023, 3 1/8" Tach 8000 RPM Dual. The tach has a user modification for
single or dual ignition, which is a small wire loop on the back. The diagram that
came with it says for single ign., keep the wire loop intact. For dual ign.,
cut the wire loop.
I connected the gray wire and a ground wire from the engine per Rotax wiring
instructions. Since I have single ign., I did not cut the wire loop. But
during operation, the tach appears to be indicating double the RPM (ie, at idle
of about 2000 it shows 4000+) and with any increase in RPM, about half
throttle, maybe 3500 RPM, the tach goes to the limit of 8000.
I called Aircraft Spruce for advice and they referred me to the manufacturer
(who I believe is just an importer/distributor because the tach is made in
China), a company named Walltrube? The fellow I spoke to didn't have a clue.
The box also has information stamped on it saying 916A Tach 3 1/8" Universal and
another # T3-001U. So far, I am inclined to think that this tach is
Universal, in that it may be used for either Points or Ducati ign. and the user
modification of cutting the wire changes it from single to dual ign.
I guess I'll cut the wire to see if that corrects the reading, but it may be
hard to reconnect because it is very small and short, so I'll wait to see if
anyone has a suggestion as to why I might be getting the double RPM output
reading.
Bill Varnes
Original FireStar
Audubon, NJ
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